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They were two of seven children born into an Orthodox Jewish family in the small village of Vendziogola, Lithuania. The family later relocated to the nearby city of Kovno (Kaunas), where both Isaac and Sam completed their schooling.\u003cbr\u003eAfter graduating, Isaac became a successful salesman. On February 16, 1936, he married Rachel Lager, who had been born in Kovno on February 26, 1915, to Israel Lager, a prosperous grocer, and his wife, Chassa (Mischelevich) Lager. Rachel had one older sister, Basia, who immigrated to South Africa in the 1930s. In 1938, Isaac and Rachel welcomed their first child, a son named Chaim. Around this time, Sam began serving two years of mandatory service in the Lithuanian army. Following the Soviet occupation of Lithuania in 1940, he returned to Kovno.\u003cbr\u003eAfter Germany invaded the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, Isaac, Rachel, Sam and their extended family were confined to the Kovno ghetto and subjected to forced labor. Sam was assigned to labor brigades outside the ghetto, where he risked his life trading clothing for food, which he then smuggled back inside. Isaac and Rachel were able to obtain slightly increased rations through their work as a carpenter and a domestic servant. During this period, Sam met a young woman from Kovno named Ida (Chaja) Baron (1922-1995). Soon the two referred to themselves as married in an effort to avoid deportations and selections.\u003cbr\u003eWhile in the ghetto, the young couples witnessed the deportation and murder of numerous family members. In March 1943, Isaac and Rachel’s young son was seized during the “Children’s Aktion” and murdered. Later, when the Kovno ghetto was transformed into the Kauen concentration camp, Isaac and Rachel were separated. Rachel remained in Kovno with her mother, while Isaac was sent to the Alexoten subcamp, an airfield where prisoners endured brutal forced labor. During an October 1943 roundup, Sam witnessed the deportation of his parents, Abram Leyzer Visgardiski and Batya Chaya (Grinblatt) Visgardiski, along with two siblings. All four were murdered in Estonia. In December 1943, Sam and Ida were sent to the Schanzen subcamp, where they were forced to labor for various Wehrmacht installations.\u003cbr\u003eIn July 1944, as the Red Army advanced, Kauen and its subcamps were evacuated. Male prisoners were deported to Dachau concentration camp in Germany. Isaac was imprisoned with Rachel’s father in one section of the camp, while Sam and an uncle were held in another. Both older men perished, but Isaac and Sam survived and eventually reunited in the camp.\u003cbr\u003eMeanwhile, the women were deported to Stutthof concentration camp near present-day Gdansk, Poland, on the Baltic Sea. By January 1945, Rachel’s mother had died, but Rachel and two cousins endured the camp’s horrific conditions. When Stutthof was evacuated, they were forced on a death march and ultimately liberated by Soviet forces. Ida had already been transferred from Stutthof to Auschwitz-Birkenau, which was liberated by Soviet troops on January 27, 1945.\u003cbr\u003eAs Allied forces approached Dachau in late April 1945, the Germans evacuated the camp. On April 26, Isaac was forced on a death march toward the Alps. Sam, critically ill, was left behind. When American forces liberated Dachau on April 29, 1945, Sam was discovered barely alive in a pile of corpses. Isaac narrowly escaped execution during the march and was liberated by American troops near Tegernsee, Germany, close to the Austrian border on May 2, 1945.\u003cbr\u003eAs the brothers recovered from years of starvation, exhaustion, and trauma, they were reunited in the hospital of the Sankt Ottilien Archabbey in Emming, Germany. Both later discovered that their wives had also survived. Meanwhile, Rachel also learned Isaac had survived and was recuperating in Germany. After recovering in a Soviet hospital, she had returned to Kovno and found work in a factory. Rachel risked crossing the border into Poland with false identification papers and in Lodz, was reunited with Isaac. Isaac and Ida were also reunited. They were officially married on November 10, 1946, in the Feldafing DP camp near Munich, Germany, where Rachel and Isaac had also settled. With the help of Isaac and Sam’s only surviving sibling—a sister who had immigrated to South Africa before the war—as well as Rachel’s extended relatives in the United States, both couples applied for U.S. visas. While awaiting immigration, Isaac and Rachel welcomed the birth of twins, a son and a daughter. Sam and Ida also welcomed a daughter.\u003cbr\u003eOn April 5, 1949, Isaac, Rachel, and their two small children arrived in New York aboard the SS Marine Flasher. They settled in Atlanta, Georgia to begin a new life. Finally, on November 9, 1949, Sam, Ida, and their daughter also arrived in New York aboard the USS General M.B. Stewart. They, too, settled in Atlanta, where a second daughter was born. In 1950, Isaac and Sam opened Wise Brothers Grocery. Eight years later, Sam opened his own store, Windsor Red Dot, while Isaac continued operating the original business—renamed Isaac Wise Grocery—until approximately 1970. The two families remained very close and were active members of Atlanta’s Ahavath Achim Synagogue.\u003cbr\u003eIsaac and Rachel later became grandparents to four grandchildren, while Sam and Ida had seven grandchildren. After Ida’s death in 1995, Sam became deeply involved in Atlanta’s Jewish community and devoted himself to Holocaust education and survivor testimony. After 66 years of marriage, Isaac died on January 22, 2002. Sam died on June 19, 2003. Rachel passed away on October 17, 2011.\u003cbr\u003eThe Breman Museum holds additional oral histories, papers and artifacts related to the Wise family. The USC Shoah Foundation also preserves oral history testimonies from Isaac, Sam, and Rachel Wise.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eIsaac remembers liberation. Sam recounts his liberation. The brothers explain how survivors learned the fates of loved ones. Isaac recalls learning Rachel had survived. He relates how he prepared to go find Rachel. Isaac tells how he went to Poland, trying to find Rachel. He talks about the people he encountered in Soviet-occupied Lodz. Rachel recollects what happened to her at the end of the war. She looks back on having children and starting a new life after the war. Isaac explains how they contacted family. Sam discusses the decision to leave Europe. He relates his experiences arriving in the US and Atlanta. Isaac remembers his first job in Atlanta. Sam and Isaac share stories about the grocery business. Isaac narrates the trip to the United States. The brothers consider how they were treated as newcomers. The Wises mention people who helped them when they first came to Atlanta. Isaac chronicles joining a synagogue. Rachel expresses her perspective of the past. Family photographs are shown.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIsaac, Rachel and Sam Wise are interviewed by Saba Wise Silverman and joined by Marsha Wise Vrono and Eli Wise on November 9, 2000 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eIsaac Wise (born Izchak Visgardiski) was born on April 1, 1910, and his younger brother Sam Wise (born Smerel Visgardiski) was born on December 15, 1915. They were two of seven children born into an Orthodox Jewish family in the small village of Vendziogola, Lithuania. The family later relocated to the nearby city of Kovno (Kaunas), where both Isaac and Sam completed their schooling.\u003cbr /\u003eAfter graduating, Isaac became a successful salesman. On February 16, 1936, he married Rachel Lager, who had been born in Kovno on February 26, 1915, to Israel Lager, a prosperous grocer, and his wife, Chassa (Mischelevich) Lager. Rachel had one older sister, Basia, who immigrated to South Africa in the 1930s. In 1938, Isaac and Rachel welcomed their first child, a son named Chaim. Around this time, Sam began serving two years of mandatory service in the Lithuanian army. Following the Soviet occupation of Lithuania in 1940, he returned to Kovno.\u003cbr /\u003eAfter Germany invaded the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, Isaac, Rachel, Sam and their extended family were confined to the Kovno ghetto and subjected to forced labor. Sam was assigned to labor brigades outside the ghetto, where he risked his life trading clothing for food, which he then smuggled back inside. Isaac and Rachel were able to obtain slightly increased rations through their work as a carpenter and a domestic servant. During this period, Sam met a young woman from Kovno named Ida (Chaja) Baron (1922-1995). Soon the two referred to themselves as married in an effort to avoid deportations and selections.\u003cbr /\u003eWhile in the ghetto, the young couples witnessed the deportation and murder of numerous family members. In March 1943, Isaac and Rachel\u0026rsquo;s young son was seized during the \u0026ldquo;Children\u0026rsquo;s Aktion\u0026rdquo; and murdered. Later, when the Kovno ghetto was transformed into the Kauen concentration camp, Isaac and Rachel were separated. Rachel remained in Kovno with her mother, while Isaac was sent to the Alexoten subcamp, an airfield where prisoners endured brutal forced labor. During an October 1943 roundup, Sam witnessed the deportation of his parents, Abram Leyzer Visgardiski and Batya Chaya (Grinblatt) Visgardiski, along with two siblings. All four were murdered in Estonia. In December 1943, Sam and Ida were sent to the Schanzen subcamp, where they were forced to labor for various Wehrmacht installations.\u003cbr /\u003eIn July 1944, as the Red Army advanced, Kauen and its subcamps were evacuated. Male prisoners were deported to Dachau concentration camp in Germany. Isaac was imprisoned with Rachel\u0026rsquo;s father in one section of the camp, while Sam and an uncle were held in another. Both older men perished, but Isaac and Sam survived and eventually reunited in the camp.\u003cbr /\u003eMeanwhile, the women were deported to Stutthof concentration camp near present-day Gdansk, Poland, on the Baltic Sea. By January 1945, Rachel\u0026rsquo;s mother had died, but Rachel and two cousins endured the camp\u0026rsquo;s horrific conditions. When Stutthof was evacuated, they were forced on a death march and ultimately liberated by Soviet forces. Ida had already been transferred from Stutthof to Auschwitz-Birkenau, which was liberated by Soviet troops on January 27, 1945.\u003cbr /\u003eAs Allied forces approached Dachau in late April 1945, the Germans evacuated the camp. On April 26, Isaac was forced on a death march toward the Alps. Sam, critically ill, was left behind. When American forces liberated Dachau on April 29, 1945, Sam was discovered barely alive in a pile of corpses. Isaac narrowly escaped execution during the march and was liberated by American troops near Tegernsee, Germany, close to the Austrian border on May 2, 1945.\u003cbr /\u003eAs the brothers recovered from years of starvation, exhaustion, and trauma, they were reunited in the hospital of the Sankt Ottilien Archabbey in Emming, Germany. Both later discovered that their wives had also survived. Meanwhile, Rachel also learned Isaac had survived and was recuperating in Germany. After recovering in a Soviet hospital, she had returned to Kovno and found work in a factory. Rachel risked crossing the border into Poland with false identification papers and in Lodz, was reunited with Isaac. Isaac and Ida were also reunited. They were officially married on November 10, 1946, in the Feldafing DP camp near Munich, Germany, where Rachel and Isaac had also settled. With the help of Isaac and Sam\u0026rsquo;s only surviving sibling\u0026mdash;a sister who had immigrated to South Africa before the war\u0026mdash;as well as Rachel\u0026rsquo;s extended relatives in the United States, both couples applied for U.S. visas. While awaiting immigration, Isaac and Rachel welcomed the birth of twins, a son and a daughter. Sam and Ida also welcomed a daughter.\u003cbr /\u003eOn April 5, 1949, Isaac, Rachel, and their two small children arrived in New York aboard the SS Marine Flasher. They settled in Atlanta, Georgia to begin a new life. Finally, on November 9, 1949, Sam, Ida, and their daughter also arrived in New York aboard the USS General M.B. Stewart. They, too, settled in Atlanta, where a second daughter was born. In 1950, Isaac and Sam opened Wise Brothers Grocery. Eight years later, Sam opened his own store, Windsor Red Dot, while Isaac continued operating the original business\u0026mdash;renamed Isaac Wise Grocery\u0026mdash;until approximately 1970. The two families remained very close and were active members of Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s Ahavath Achim Synagogue.\u003cbr /\u003eIsaac and Rachel later became grandparents to four grandchildren, while Sam and Ida had seven grandchildren. After Ida\u0026rsquo;s death in 1995, Sam became deeply involved in Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s Jewish community and devoted himself to Holocaust education and survivor testimony. After 66 years of marriage, Isaac died on January 22, 2002. Sam died on June 19, 2003. 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[Unintelligible.] I thought you said to say your name!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=24.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eli: Her name? 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Now, I'm sorry that I didn't think to make …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=64.0,71.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: That is okay. We will start all over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=71.0,71.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I thought you said to me, \"Your name …\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=71.0,75.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: She didn't have to do with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=75.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Today is Thursday, November 9th, year 2000. We are interviewing Isaac Wise, to my right, and Sam Wise to my left, two brothers that came to America in … What year, Isaac?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=77.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: What year? This was in 1945.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=96.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Not 1945; 1949. \u003cTalking over one another\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=101.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: When you were first liberated, what did you think about the future? What did think, as soon as you got liberated, what did you think was going to happen with your future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=107.0,122.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: When I got liberated at that time, we didn't have nothing in our mind for the future. But really, to tell you, everybody had in mind where to get something to eat. Because we'd been so hungry. Three days and three nights and we'd been walking to a grave what was ready for us, the [unintelligible], the prisoners, let's say, with the guards around us, in rain, and in snow, and mixed snow with rain together. It got cold, to freeze a little. We'd been freezing, too, like we'd [been] put in a freezer there. We didn't think about the … We think only who we can find somebody from our family alive. Who can I find? We know our parents was dead for sure. This we already got from somebody what came from Riga … Latvia …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=122.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Estonia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=202.0,205.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Where they carried them away from Kovno ghetto to kill there with the sisters and the brothers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=205.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay, and Sam …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=218.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: But in the first house, when I see a German lady sit down by the window and watching what's going on, and we already start to see by ourselves that we getting free because a soldier walked to me and he seen I had two overcoats. I had two overcoats on myself and he asked me. He wanted to take a look what I got under there, is like the guard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=218.0,258.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: A soldier asked you that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=258.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [What?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=262.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: A soldier? A Nazi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=262.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: The guards, the Nazis, but we around here every third line was there from both sides, soldiers. And when he took away from me my … He wanted to take away from me the jacket, the second. [He told me,] \"You got two. Take off one.\" And the other soldier, a guard man, told me, \"Don't give him. He want to just for himself.\" Then, I know I am free. When I got free, we see all the guards started to throw away their weapon and everything, then we stayed without a guard. And here was something everybody start to run where they can. And I see the first place [where] a lady sat down in the window and looking. Then, I think, here I can ask her something to give me a little to feed myself. Then, at first, I stayed. I couldn't have been right now to ask for bread. Then, I asked her, \"Lady, can I get a little water? I'm so thirsty.\" She said, \"Oh, yeah, bitte sehn [German: please see].\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=262.0,344.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: This was in German?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=344.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Then, I see when she starts. \"I'm going to bring you the water,\" she told me. I told her [in] the same way, \"Maybe you got a piece of bread for me you can give me?\" She said, \"Bread too? Come in house. I'll give you food, all kind.\" Then, I know I am free. And there was my eyes with the same thing only to have something, because for the three days, we didn't have nothing almost to eat. We had only they carried us in a place where they [were going] to kill us. And the American army, with the planes, used to come and didn't let them. Then, they had to go to the woods, another place. And there they go, the commandant … Not the commandant, the mayor from the city come out, a German, with a white flag, and he said … Because people start to eat what they can, he said, \"Don't eat. We got for you prepared food.\" When I come in [to the] house, you see, there was smell [of] food, good cooking food to eat. I almost faint from this. But I scared was give me good food. Really, like the best meat was the liver. I remember them eating potatoes. They got in each house, baked, cooked potatoes, cooked for a whole day. By the way, I took a potato and peeled till she started to give me. As she put me the potatoes, and after I ate up, I put the shell, what I peeled up, the peels, and I had it in the pocket, and I took apart from the corner of my jacket. But this had nothing to do. But then, I opened up the eyes and I start to think, \"Who can be in our family?\" My brother, [Sam], gone out from camp when they took us out. I left him in hospital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=345.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: I am going to let him tell me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=477.0,479.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, but I'm telling I left him in hospital and more he couldn't see me, and I couldn't see him because for sure, I've been sure that alive they will not go out. Then, I haven't got nobody and I started to think. I didn't think about my own wife because she's not from the strongest woman and she worked the hardest job of work with her old friend, with somebody, with her mother. But here I had not much. I hoped, but I've been thinking. And it's hard to tell what somebody can take out. Later you'll come and he'll tell you. Then maybe we'll talk, we'll change the words …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=479.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Good, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=533.0,534.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: … how I find out about him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=534.0,538.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How did you feel when you were liberated? How did you fell about the future or what was going to happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=538.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: I don't remember my liberated. When I'm liberated, I didn't know I am liberated. An American major told me the whole story how I got liberated in hospital. Because the American Army came and they make movies [of] the old thousands of thousands of dead bodies. And they see some of them moving a little bit, fingers, and they say, \"Look. Maybe we can bring some alive. Somebody moving a little bit.\" They picked up three: me and two more like this. There was a third one was [Unintelligible]. He is in Atlanta, too. Anyway, I see. I open up my eyes. I see I'm in a white bed, and white nurses, and soldiers standing with ammunition around my bed. And I thought, \"This is the end of me.\" But they come to, they found out I'm alive, they going … I didn't know. I didn't see [before] ever in my life the American military uniform and I thought, \"This is Germans. They found out I am alive. They come and kill me.\" I raise a little my head and I hollered to them, \"Don't kill! Don't kill! Don't kill!\" I see each soldier coming to my bed and putting up something on the floor. I thought that's dynamite or something like that, they going to blow me up or something. But I took a look and I hollered to them, \"Don't kill!\" I took a look. What kind? What they put in there? There was cookies, some crackers, some chocolate. Every soldier what they got in his pocket they put down. I thought it's a trick from the Germans before they gonna kill me and I hollered to them, \"Don't kill! Don't kill! Don't kill!\" I see some soldier standing with tears in his eyes. And I still think this is a trick from the Germans. All of a sudden, came the American major, an elderly man, about 60, something like this. I see the soldier standing for him like this [at attention]. He came to my bed and he pet me [on the head] like a little dog, like this, and I grabbed him like that, \"Don't kill me! Don't killed me! Don't kill me!\" And he started to talk to me in broken Yiddish, \"Ich a Yid. [I am a Jew.]\" And I hold him like this and said, \"Don't kill me.\" [He said,] \"I am American Jew, American major, American military. You liberated. We liberate you.\" He talked to me and I held to him. I didn't believe I'm liberated. All of a sudden, he opened up his blouse, and I took out a mezuzah. When I see the mezuzah, I think, \"This is the end of me.\" I grabbed him and he grabbed me for a half hour maybe. I feel his tears coming on my cheek. Nobody can take us apart, crying and laughing. He told to the soldiers, \"Don't let nobody to him till I come back.\" He came about an hour maybe, or hour and a half, he came with three doctors, German doctors, but American army have them prisoners of war. [The doctors were] SS, with the uniform, and they say to them, \"You see them skeleton? He weighs 39 pounds. If you can bring him alive, you'll be alive. If not, we can do this to you, what you did to the six million.\" And this was my … Now, I … This was my liberation. And the doctors stayed around the clock, 24 hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=545.0,787.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: But did you think that … After your liberation like that, what did you think your future was gonna be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=787.0,794.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: I didn't think about my future. My future was after I'd been already about three months in the hospital. But the major went and he brought me … I know he took away from me [what I was wearing]. He put me naked and he brought me underwear, with the shirts, with a pair of pants, with everything. And he took a garbage can, and he put this with the stripes, you know, what I got there from concentration camp. He put this in garbage can. He came every two hours. He came to see what American doctors doing to me. They give him a list of all the medicine that I need, and he brought me all the medicines. He brought me two books [by] Shalom Aleichem to read. I don't believe it myself what's going on here. I am liberated. He pet me, and he kissed me, the major, and he said, \"You liberated. We Americans. You liberated. You're free. You do what you want.\" But I couldn't move and what I want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=794.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Were you, neither one of you were ever in a DP camp though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=864.0,869.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: I've been. He was, too, in the DP camp, [but] not long ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=869.0,872.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I got liberated, like I told you at the beginning, but I know I left him in the hospital, and nobody come out from there. They would be left over in the camp because they left over to kill already. And here was … He coming over free in the same place where I got free. A week after we got free, they put us in a hospital right now. I got sick on the way. They, these soldiers … It was the first day with the soldiers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=872.0,911.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And where was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=911.0,913.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Sankt Ottilien they called this, the place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=913.0,916.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: A hospital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=916.0,916.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: In Germany?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=916.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Sankt Ottilien is in Munich, Germany, around Munich, in Bayern. And they put us in the hospital and then he come. I couldn't believe it. When they heard the same story what the [unintelligible], some more, a couple of more, a few prisoners like him, where they've been together in the same grave they were already, I think. We meet together. We stay already together. Then, I think or then I start to talk about what be and G-d helped us, I'm sure, helped him like helped me, G-d. Then, we got left over at least one in the family. But we had a sister in South Africa, married in Johannesburg. And then we were laid bed by bed in the hospital in the best hospital in the world. That's how it started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=918.0,980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Now, was your wife with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=980.0,981.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Who?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=981.0,982.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Was your wife with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=982.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=983.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=983.0,985.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, my wife was not. There was not …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=985.0,988.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: She was not there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=988.0,988.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: She was not in Bayern, but see, first, we came into Stutthof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=988.0,995.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Ida was in Russia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=995.0,997.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: She was in Russia, my wife, but I didn't know about her. I didn't know. In Stutthof, if you heard … Somebody will hear this, so they know what Stutthof was. Stutthof was the place where they burned the people in the crematoriums. And they picked up me with my family in Stutthof that they carried us. Here, father, and mother, and me by myself, with Sam. And when we came in Stutthof already, you can feel them, smell from burning meat, like people are …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=997.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: There was a crematorium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1046.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: … the crematorium. When we heard, see this, they thought we … [The Germans were] already been hoping for us to do the same thing and they left us. But there, in Stutthof, they separated us, her with her mother together, and me with him, with my brother, her father, together. Then only left over to say goodbye and not to hope for good. But here, Stutthof is true, a real miracle we got alive. They picked up so many people and me with her father, they put in another place. Her they already delivered with her mother in a Russian zone. The Russians freed her later. Knew that there were already two brothers and it was all worse for us to talk about each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1046.0,1111.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Isaac, [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1111.0,1115.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: It was already easier to talk about two brothers together, and who can be [unintelligible] to find a brother? But her, I couldn't hope, and I didn't know either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1115.0,1130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He see how the camera made the dead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1130.0,1136.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Anyway, after a few days, when we got a little better in hospital, they used to send out prisoners. They used to sent out the prisoners so they got free and to go all over, all see, all places, all over Europe and everywhere what the Germans want to take away, over. Then, if to find somebody's alive because somebody was hiding in hiding places … They used to call this, you know, like in Yiddish, they say that's [unintelligible], or in the ground, made some covered up from the Germans, but mostly to find them and who was lucky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1136.0,1191.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you look for the family right away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1191.0,1193.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [What?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1193.0,1193.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you look for the family right away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1193.0,1196.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: If I moved?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1196.0,1197.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you look for family right away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1197.0,1201.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Did you look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1201.0,1202.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: That's why I have to tell, otherwise … The story of the things, how it happens [unintelligible]. They used to send somebody to find out who is alive and who is dead, what they know, and they used to … Every morning from hospital you go out on the field—not on the field, there was a nice resting place, but outside the hospital—and read the news that they brought, what type people, who they see, and who they find out they are for sure dead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1202.0,1239.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Now who did this? Who went out to look for who was dead and who was alive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1239.0,1243.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: There was people what they come free from the … like I got free. But I've been sick. I couldn't do it. And there, the other ones, what they hear in the mouth was …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1243.0,1255.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: The American Army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1255.0,1258.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1258.0,1258.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: The American government in Germany and the Russian government in Russia, they exchanged a list from the liberators [of] who got liberated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1258.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, that wasn't see the same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1274.0,1276.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: This how they found out who … where the wives … She found out my name on the American [list of survivors] and [I found] her name on the Russians'. And this is the way we got liberated. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1276.0,1288.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Do you know the rest of what we hold?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1288.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1290.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay. They let out, the American Army—this is something important—lots of people. They didn't care to give what they say at all. We didn't have to pay if you go in the buses, or with car, or with the train. Some of them was healthy boys in the concentration camp and they run from city to city in Europe. When they used to bring the … Like I had to say this, to express the … list. Two lists was made up. One was for who is dead for sure and one was the people they find alive. They find alive what they got free in other camps—don't forget, so many camps was it—and they got free, some of them were in the hiding places, come out in the country. Then, when we looked [at the] alive [list], my brother and myself … first, the alive list. We didn't want to look at the dead lists … that if we got [unintelligible] in the family and that's all. But one time, we laying so in bed, and he was present with me, and there come a boy, a prisoner used to be, walking around. She said, \"Isaac …\" The lady in the hospital was an American lady. She talked even Jewish, but she took care of the people. And she said to me, she said to tell me that somebody wanted to see me and to come in office. I took, I go, I come in the office down, and I see a man what I know him from my home. He was really the cook in my camp where we been. \"Oh,\" he start to [unintelligible], \"You get free. I get free.\" And he said, \"Isaac, I got a regard from your wife.\" I don't know. When he said the word and I got … I said, \"What do you say here, David?\" [His name was] David Wietz. [I asked,] \"What do you say here? My wife? You seen my wife?\" \"Oh, yeah,\" [he said and I asked] where he seen her. He said, \"In Kovno. [Unintelligible.]\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1290.0,1464.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Which is …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1464.0,1464.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [Unintelligible] means the largest. And he talk me for sure he's seen her and I could not to believe it. I told them, \"David, I don't believe maybe you know her good. Maybe you got a mistake.\" [He said,] \"Oh, I not a mistake of your Rachela.\" [I asked,] \"When do you see her the last time?\" He said, \"Sunday.\" This was Thursday. Then [he said,] \"Sunday, I eat supper. She invited me.\" I said, \"Supper?\" I think [unintelligible.] They have got what to eat if she can invite even a friend for supper. [I asked,] \"What did she got to eat?\" He said, \"She ate borscht and potatoes.\" \"Oh, this is my Rachela,\" I said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1464.0,1517.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Isaac, I think what I am going to do right now is stop you …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1517.0,1523.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1523.0,1523.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: … and let Rachel come and we will come back to Sam …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1523.0,1527.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: That's alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1527.0,1527.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: … in a few minutes, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1527.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: This will be … \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e And the American lady, the manager, she said, \"Do not listen to everything like this.\" Oh, she seen later when I finished [unintelligible.] She said, \"Congratulations, you'll get your wife.\" I told the lady, \"No, I will not get my wife if I'm not going [to her]. By herself, she'll not come to me,\" because she had already … When she got free, too, she had the same trouble what I had. I am weak. [I said,] \"I think I'll go.\" She said, \"You cannot go like this. I told her, \"Please, do me a favor. Instead of the pajamas\"—she gives us pajamas to wear—\"give me my clothes back, the pants, a pair of pants.\" She said, \"You cannot get and you cannot go. I will not let you go. We will do all the work to bring her.\" And I took … I told her, \"If you not going to give it to me, it's alright.\" And we had a right to go out from … out for a walk or what through the gate. I took my …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1530.0,1606.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: This was in the DP camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1606.0,1608.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: We still in Sankt Ottilien.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1608.0,1616.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1616.0,1616.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I got here a little book called \"The Black Book.\" I give this a name. If I would know you going to ask me such a question, I would have told you correct the date.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1616.0,1631.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: The dates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1631.0,1632.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: You answered the questions perfectly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1632.0,1634.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Anyway, I walked out. It was already almost dark at night. The guard stayed, but he let us out because they knew we will not run away. We're not prisoners no more. Then, he let me out and I go out. I walk out. I think, \"If I see a house, I'll beg for a pair of pants, and shoes, shirt, and a jacket, a blouse, or something.\" I walked in the first German house there was. I [unintelligible] what she said, \"Right now, what can I do for you?\" I told the lady, \"Maybe this be hard for you. If will be [unintelligible]. I need a pair of pants, and a pair shoes, and something, a blouse, or something.\" \"Oh, my G-d,\" she said, \"I haven't got any men in my house.\" I told her, \"I don't care, but you got neighbors around you. Walk out and get from them. I will not go out from your house until you will not go and bring it.\" And I can tell you, she walked out. She brought me shoes for my … What they fit me or not, but I could wear them. And a pair of pants—good ones—and the blouse, like I asked her, with all the blouses they could do. Oh, my G-d, I'm so happy. I could … People find what they want to help you. I didn't walk away [unintelligible]. When I walked back, I talked with my brother. We talked over what we'll do. We will go. \"First, I'm going,\" I told him, \"to Rachela,\" to my wife. And I think Samuel told her he knows more, but we agree both that I'm going because she is my wife. Who will go? He said, \"Let's both go.\" I told him, \"Both go? When I find out … When I talk to him [about how] I will go, I ask him. I say, \"Sam, let's understand this.\" And that is true. He'll tell you. [I asked,] \"Why you want to take a chance to go from Germany [to] Russia, pick up my wife in Lithuania?\" Lithuania, it was belong to Russia. This was the area you can't go out. They wouldn't let you out. [I asked him,] \"Why to be from a prison [to] a prison? You forgot? If G-d will help me, and I'll make it, I will come back. And if I will not, can't go out from there, then why brought you should be there, you with me?\" And so, we decided and I made my trip to Lithuania.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1634.0,1852.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, how did you find …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1852.0,1853.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: You didn't been in Lithuania.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1853.0,1854.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Not that time. You didn't … In Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1854.0,1858.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: In Poland, you came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1858.0,1861.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Later I did. I think she saw you something to say. You want me to finish? And so, we would left. You can believe me, when we say goodbye one to the other, like we will not see no more each other. And then I start to come in Lithuania, and pick up my wife to see what … You've got to go to Poland, then you got to still [cross the] border, still to go on to Poland only, and from Poland, is already not far, a little. And some people helped me. G-d helped me and the people helped me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1861.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How did you get from one place to the other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1906.0,1909.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Oh, this means I got more time to tell it. How I got … I be not the only one who want to go. Plenty of prisoners was there in [Germany from] Poland and people want to go there. Poland's people want more, and everybody came in [unintelligible], let us sleep. They made in groups, what they got to go there with a girl group, and the group, and the group. All was there, but not Litvaks [Yiddish: Lithuanian Jews]. I come to a group, and they were staying, all boys, five men like. The Poles' boys [are] strong already. They are from Poland before and now are [going] back. They lay on the floor waiting … to go out at night to steal [across] the border from Czechoslovakia to go to Lodz [Poland]. I stopped one of them and I said, \"People, boys, do me a favor.\" He said, \"What do you want?\" I told him, \"I know you're going in Lodz.\" [He said,] \"Yeah, but what do you want?\" I told him, \"What I want [is] I got to go in Lodz and find out if my wife is alive. And this is the best [unintelligible] can be let in.\" Then he said, \"We not taking more what we don't know.\" Then, the other, a second, said, \"Hey, you a Litvak. I like your Litvak language, Yiddish. You go with us.\" And I asked them, before I met them to go to here, to pick it up, there was already a committee in Munich, Germany. We've been already in Munich together. [Sam will] tell you. In Munich, there was a committee, the American Jewish [Joint Distribution] Committee, what they helped, and they gave a little money to go on the way. When I came to ask, when he asked me for the rabbi … He's still here in Atlanta. He was here in Atlanta, but he is in Atlanta even. When I come, the rabbi asked me, \"What do you want?\" I told him, \"Rabbi, I find out about my wife, that she's alive.\" [He asked,] \"Where is she?\" I told him, \"She's in Lithuania, in Kovno.\" He took a pen and write down. [He asked,] \"What her name?\" And I tell him, \"Her name is Rachel,\" like this, \"but I'm going to her.\" [He said,] \"No, we'll bring her.\" I told him, \"I hear this already when I've been in the hospital.\" I want … [He asked,] \"What do you want?\" I told him, \"I want money, a little money to go.\" He said to me, \"Money we not giving anymore because we got to find out more people need it, but we can give you food what you'll need.\" Then, he gave me five packs of cigarettes, and they gave a can of corned beef, and cans of something other. Somebody told me—David—that she's smoking. I put this in a bag and I keep the cigarettes. I didn't touch. I want to smoke because I left [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=1909.0,2150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How long did it take you to get there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2150.0,2152.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: It took me a long time. He worked in a place. He worked at the place and got … \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2152.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: I do not want you to get upset.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2162.0,2163.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yes, I [unintelligible] already. Then, see, when he gave me the food and I keep this like this, and they took me with them because I didn't know how to, how I can go and steal [across the] border. But that's what I asked them. [I said,] \"You are boys in the group, but you are already go a couple times.\" He said, \"Don't worry. You'll go with us. We know the way and you can. We'll take care of you.\" They feel so good with me, and for me. So, when we start to go in the woods, we got up, we discovered three soldiers with guns, German. But they already been for the German government. They know we going. They have been [trying to stop people] not to steal the borders and they say to us, \"You have to go back. Where do you go?\" And we told them, all of them, \"We're going to the border from Czechoslovakia.\" He said, \"The border is right there, now. Here, you cannot go to the borders. They will lock you up and, better … Please, leave. Let's go back.\" Then, the Polish boys thought they gonna play with them. Then, I said, \"Do me a favor. What they gonna do?\" They said they gonna kill them. I told them, \"They got to let us go [over] the border.\" I told them, \"Please, do me a favor. I am afraid I never heard of such a thing. I got five pack cigarettes that they give.\" Cigarettes was the highest [value] item in the world in this time. [It told them,] \"Give them maybe my five cigarettes,\" because I [had] keep this for my wife, \"and then you'll see. They'll close their eyes and they'll walk on the other side like they didn't see us.\" They did it. They gave away three packs of cigarettes, three of the five. And they just walked away and let us like to say, like they don't hear. But, they told us, in the middle [of the border area], there was where they go on the roads from their train, a little house. In the little house, a booth like, sit down a guard person. And if you lock them up, don't be scared. They will not lock you up. So, we are coming into Lodz with them. In Lodz, is a whole other story, a very nice story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2163.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: That's another story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2342.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: But if … I'll finish later on. If you want to talk [to] my brother to tell what was it? You want? No? You want him to talk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2342.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: I want to get from you how you met up with Rachel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2350.0,2356.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Do you see how am I saying couldn't tell you? \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2356.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: You wanted to know from me, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2360.0,2363.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Share my brother. He worked in a place, and I worked in a place in the home before the war. He had a boss with more than a few people, a rich man [unintelligible], but the Russians used to take away the rich Jewish people, too, before. Then, his boss and his friends from where I worked, know me and they know my wife. When they see me, [they said,] \"Oh, Isaac!\" They bring me in the kitchen and everything. [They asked,] \"Where you going?\" I told them I'm going to Kovno. [They asked,] \"You going to Kovno to pick up your wife? You crazy or something? You going to take a chance to be locked up in the Russian zone? She know you are alive, and she will come to you, like everybody doing this. They stealing [across] from their side of the border and come in to Lodz.\" And I told him, \"Because I know her, I'm afraid she will not. She will scare in her life to go through again.\" He said, \"Isaac, I guarantee you that she'll find out.\" They already know how to do it. They're not telling each other, nobody keep it as a secret, and they make it, but they still like it. I told them, \"Okay, I'll try. I can try.\" And here I see already people from Lithuania and all them what we been together in camp, or they been in other camps, and I didn't see them. You see everybody telling the same thing. They don't let me go in Kovno. Now, I started to do. I asked somebody and I start to make … I see a loaf bread around and everything is high. It is no longer to tell, but I make a decision. I think I will die from hunger in Lodz, too, because a loaf of bread costs so much money and [unintelligible]. When I come to handle on the market, they are Jewish people selling clothes. The market is a field, like a staging field. Everybody going from one to the other, buying them, buying them. They're selling them and I bought it. I stayed with a Jewish man with a beard, and he got so many clothes, old clothes. I asked the man [to] tell me. I asked for the reason maybe he can help me something. [I said,] \"Look, I won't buy it. I'll sell it. That's all I want. Who buying what they need?\" They say, \"I cannot tell you who the last buyer what need it already.\" Take, and buying, and be selling, and making money. He said, \"Would you like more?\" He asked me, \"Would make money?\" I told him, \"I would. I'd like to make money because I got to live here and I want to work.\" He said, \"You know what? Here, take that jacket,\" I had a long jacket, \"Take a jacket and sell it.\" [I asked,] \"What do you mean, take and sell it?\" He said, \"Go away from here a little.\" \"Somebody will already ask you how much it costs,\" he said. I told him, \"Sir, you don't know me.\" He said, \"Why, I should not know you, I know. But what you will do, you'll run away if you feel like to run away. I would be glad.\" He didn't want to tell me, \"I don't trust you,\" because like I said, maybe I feel bad. He said, \"Take and sell it. That cost you $80.\" Eighty zloty [Polish currency], not dollar. [I asked him] how much to ask. [He said,] \"Ask your price to ask.\" Anyway, as soon I took it in my hand, an older man grabbed me, and he wanted to ask me how much do I want for this. I didn't know what. I told him 1,500 zloty. I [unintelligible.] I have to pay 80 zloty. He said, \"I'll give you a thousand.\" I get in my head [unintelligible,] \"It is so easy to make money here in Lodz.\" I could make $1,200. I got already $600 zloty made. Then, I think, \"Now, I'm not going to die from hunger here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2363.0,2661.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eli: [Unintelligible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2661.0,2661.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Then, I took the $600 pay. The rest I gave the man for the … I run to tell [unintelligible] mit de [Yiddish: with the] zloty, how billig [Yiddish] it is, how cheap it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2661.0,2677.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [Unintelligible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2677.0,2680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Also, I bought it, so I start to make it every day money until I find that man. I go in a restaurant. Of course, the restaurant is a big one and they …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2680.0,2699.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, Isaac's talking. [Unintelligible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2699.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: That man … If you want to stop it, okay. I don't care. Stop a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2700.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [Unintelligible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2706.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I telling … How I can find you if I'm not telling them? That's why I say, if somebody will see sometimes …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2706.0,2716.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: You find a man and …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2716.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You've got time to …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2718.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: … you send a letter. That's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2718.0,2721.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Anyway, when I started to make the money, when I started eating every day at the [restaurant] for dinner—I used to go to especially on Friday and Saturday—he ate with the same big Russian general. I used go with the [unintelligible]. And you know, in the restaurants, they got little doors to close up. You sit down, you close them in, in a booth like… And he see me. He turn like this and he start to talk over the man. He said, \"Where are you? Where are you?\" I told him the truth. I was scared to death, but he started to me to talk in Russian, and a little in Jewish, too, and he start … He [became] a friend to me, like a [unintelligible]. And he asked me, \"Why do you stay in there? Why do you wait? What do you …\" He say, \"Why do you wait and not go? Why not go on in Lithuania to your wife?\" I told him, \"The doctors don't let me go.\" I told him a lie. But one day, he come to me and he said … I told him, \"She'll find out about me and she'll …\" One day, he had come to me and said, \"You know? I think I don't trust you.\" I think he find out something, he going to lock me up. He was so good to me, like a brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2721.0,2841.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, did he help you get over it to …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2841.0,2844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: He asked, \"Why do you tell a lie?\" He said, \"You don't go to a doctor here. You wait until your wife will come to you. But your wife will not know from you, until she [will] hear from you, I'm sure. And you are afraid. Write a letter and I will … Or are you afraid to write a letter? Give me the letter, and I'll come, and give it her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2844.0,2872.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: This was the man. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2872.0,2874.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: She stopped already. [Unintelligible?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2874.0,2879.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: No, the sun is coming in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2879.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marsha: It is okay. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2880.0,2888.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay, this is the end almost. He said to me that day … When he told me this, that was Saturday. After a week, he came home, [he said,] \"[Unintelligible.]\" All right, when he started to …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2888.0,2917.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Who was Yudya?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2917.0,2918.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac:  [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2918.0,2918.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Who was Yudya?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2918.0,2918.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: The cousin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2918.0,2919.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yudya Visgardiski, yes, what you know. Okay. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2919.0,2942.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: That is why I said, \"Who was Yudya?\" Don't look at me like I'm crazy. I'm asking you …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2942.0,2947.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Where I ended? Where was the letter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2947.0,2952.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: With Yudya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=2952.0,6551.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Ah, I still …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6551.0,6553.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, your cousin came in …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6553.0,6554.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay, he took … So, then he said, \"Write a letter and I come pick up.\" I lived already in Lodz. I had money. Then I had already a cheap apartment or room, but everybody who want to come to me, I let them in to sleep, too, waiting for something. Then he come, \"Oi.\" He seen …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6554.0,6580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: This was your first cousin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6580.0,6582.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yes, first cousin. [Unintelligible] sit down and was so glad he had got a place to stay for a couple of days. Anyway, I told him the story. He knew, but they used to not …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6582.0,6596.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: He saw me there. He saw me in Kovno.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6596.0,6601.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: The general what I told him, when I asked him later to give me a suggestion what to do now … I trusted him. He was good to me and everything. He used to pay for my food. And he said, my cousin told me, \"Isaac, give him the letter.\" The way I told him the story, that the general liked me so much. And he was drunk, every day drunk, but he was from Russia and [unintelligible]. He said, \"Make the letter, and give him away, and let him go to her.\" And when he was drunk, I didn't trust him, but I gave him the letter anyway. He couldn't go there. He came back to me with the letter in his pocket, and he said, \"Isaac, I'm sorry, but I've been too drunk last night.\" This was on Saturday. [He said,] \"But tomorrow I go for sure.\" When he came, he gave it to you, didn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6601.0,6669.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6669.0,6669.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: He brought it to her in a place. He found out even where she working. And he gave it to her, the letter, and said, \"She will come to you now.\"  [Unintelligible] and so he comes …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6669.0,6685.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: This is finished.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6685.0,6686.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Now, she … I let her talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6686.0,6688.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Let me finish with a couple words. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e In short.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6688.0,6694.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I'm interested what you tell her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6694.0,6698.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Not in detail. What you want to ask me? How …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6698.0,6708.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, she'll ask you. [Unintelligible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6708.0,6711.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, no, she started already?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6711.0,6713.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6713.0,6714.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, what you want to ask?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6714.0,6715.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Well, first of all, your name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6715.0,6719.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: My name is Rachel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6719.0,6729.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Louder a little.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6729.0,6729.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: And this is my dear husband, Isaac.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6729.0,6733.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How long have you been married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6733.0,6734.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: We are married [since] 1936 and we are married 65 years together, very happy. And thank G-d, you know, we getting older, but we are together and we are happy. We got wonderful two children and four grandchildren. And this is our family. But we are very happy to be in this country. From 1949, we came here. I got here family and they wanted us to come. We'd been in Germany. My children [were] born in Germany. I brought them here when they been two years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6734.0,6789.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Let us back up one second. Isaac had finished telling us that you got the paper that he was …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6789.0,6801.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: The what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6801.0,6801.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: That he was working. You finally got the letter that he was working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6801.0,6805.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6805.0,6806.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Tell us about that and then go to where you went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6806.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6810.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Pick up where Isaac left off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6810.0,6812.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes, well, we'd been in … I'd been liberated. I been not in the same area as my husband. We been in the Russian zone, close to Poland more. And I'd been there till the last minute with my mother, and she died in the camp. She didn't made it. I been with cousins and we … The Russians liberated me. The 21st of January, we've been liberated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6812.0,6859.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: What year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6859.0,6861.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [Nineteen] forty-five. The Russians came. They find me and my two cousins. We've been in the same camp. Her mother died there, too, Saki. You know her. They went to Israel and I went to Lithuania because they came, the Russians, and they free us and they wanted … They asking always, \"Where you want to go?\" Lots of people went to go to Israel, to South Africa, and in America. You cannot tell them. Russian people, you know, they were liberating you. It's not like now. Then, was very strict. You had to tell [them] you going home, if you like to go home. This is … Lithuania is my country, where I've been born, and I had to go. Then I went there, but they liberated me very weak. Then, they didn't let me go right away to Lithuania, to Kovno, but they took me to a big hospital in Brest-Litovsk [Belarus], a big city, a very nice hospital. They gave me the first help for me to get well. Then, they put me on a train to Lithuania. I came there and then, I heard from my husband. I find out that he's alive. I got a letter and I start to work on this. We had to go. I knew that he'd … I'd been in bad shape, too. If they catching you that you wanted to go away from there, they put you in another camp in Siberia. Then, we had to make this very quiet. And it was the people where they made papers. We had to pay them. I didn't have money to pay. Then a friend of mine, what she was with me in the same city, she had clothes and a sewing machine, but she left with people. When she left Lithuania, then she took everything, and she sold this, and she gave me the money to pay to him. I told her, \"Isaac is here. My husband is in Poland. He waiting for me. He will pay you, and he'll take you already to America with us together, and he'll pay because he's working there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=6861.0,7047.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, you knew right away that you wanted to go to America?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7047.0,7051.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7051.0,7051.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: That's what you did then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7051.0,7054.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes. We decided then we'll go to America. No, but we couldn't go straight from Poland. You couldn't to America. The first, best place was for us … the easiest and [safest place for us was] to come to Germany. From Germany, you can go anywhere you want. If you … You can go in Africa. In Africa, we couldn't go there. They didn't let in then the Jews. Then, we decided …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7054.0,7090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Why was your first choice to go to Africa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7090.0,7093.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Because we got a sister. My husband and my brother-in-law, they got a sister, married, and she went away. She married in Lithuania and after marriage, she went there with her husband. Then, she was there all the time. And they find out that we are alive. Then, they start to send letters and they send everything what we needed to come to South Africa. But there was a very, another [Adolf] Hitler, you know, [Jan] Smuts, and they didn't let in, for nothing in the world. Then, in Israel was very bad and we went to … Then, it was terrible. Then, we went to Germany and there we had to stay and wait till we'll get other place. I got family here. My mother's sister was here all her life with her children, with the lawyers, with doctors, and they start right away to do something because my sister-in-law from South Africa, she knew then we are alive, and my aunt in [America], too, my mother's sister. They wrote right away here to the family, \"Please, we don't have anything what we can do for them. You got to bring them to America because they got two babies now. They are two years old and they got to come.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7093.0,7201.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: You said you have got two babies. When did that happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7201.0,7208.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: We came to Germany. I'd been … You know, I'd never been to a doctor since I came from the concentration camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7208.0,7221.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, you went to Poland to meet Isaac?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7221.0,7224.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Isaac, yes. I came. I had to cross borders. It was very …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7224.0,7234.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: You were by yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7234.0,7236.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: No, I've been with a group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7236.0,7238.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7238.0,7238.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes, about four people. My cousin, which is in Israel …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7238.0,7244.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: She had to pay for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7244.0,7246.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: And I had to pay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7246.0,7247.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: We ran out. \u003cEnd Tape 1; Begin Tape 2\u003e What we are going to do now since we brought Daddy in is we are going to start talking. I want you to finish about how the two of you got back together. Then, I am going to let Daddy talk about how he got with y'all. Then, we are going to talk about how you got to America and what happened in America. Okay, Rachel, if you will go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7247.0,7279.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Okay, then we … The family here start to write, you know, and did … In six weeks, we got an affidavit from them, and we came here to America. But in Germany, we had … You were asking about how we came to Germany and how we had to stay there. But, you know, four years we've been [waiting to emigrate from Germany], but in the two years, I never been to a doctor since I've been liberated. Then, I went to a doctor, a gynecologist, and I wanted to see maybe … We lost one child. Hitler killed my son. He was five and a half years old. All the children they took away from us, not only mine, but this was a tragedy, big, and we wanted another child. Then, I wanted to come to a doctor to see, because lots of people couldn't have children. They've been through plenty there. Then, a doctor told me, \"Nothing wrong with you. You go ahead and try it.\" Anyway, I tried and I start to pregnant. When I came for another couple checkups … \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e And the doctor was very sweet, an older man, and he says, \"It's wonderful. You're pregnant and everything is good.\" But a little later, you know, three months later, I'm coming again to check myself. And he was very careful and looking one time and another time with everything, and he says … I said, \"Doctor, the child is alive? Why you are so … It takes such a long time to see the heart beating?\" He says, \"Honey, don't worry. I hear two hearts beating and you got twins.\" Then, we got a son and a daughter, and we have been very happy. We came here, to make short, when they've been two years old. Then, two years we've been waiting, another two years, it's four years we been in Germany. We came to this country in 1949, on April the 9th. This, I'll never forget. With all my family, all my aunt, my mother's sister, cousins, they came to the train, and they've been very happy to see us with the two beautiful children. They grew up wonderful and we got lots of pleasure from them. And we are happy to be in this country, in a free country. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7279.0,7489.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you ever receive …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7489.0,7494.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [What?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7494.0,7494.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you ever receive anything from any of the organizations when you got to Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7494.0,7496.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: When we came here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7496.0,7498.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: [Yes.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7498.0,7500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: No, we never went to look for something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7500.0,7506.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Never asked even.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7506.0,7507.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: And we didn't ask nothing. It was not like now. Now, is the people here, where they are in the organization and they are really doing a lot for the Russian people, but we are very happy, even myself and my family, that we wanted to help the Russian people. We need it very much, too. But exactly we, I'm talking about us, because we got a nice family and a close family, what they helped us a lot, you know, in business and other things, you know. If I needed clothes, I had an uncle in Denver [Colorado], what he's in the business with ladies clothes. I got always something what I needed. He used to send to us. Then later on, we didn't need him. My husband worked hard in a grocery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7507.0,7576.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Excuse me, but before we get into the business, I want to know how Sam got into the picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7576.0,7583.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay, wait just one minute, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7583.0,7585.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7585.0,7588.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: When you ask a question, one is involved with the second. You can maybe tell and sort out. But the way you came … Why you came to America and how we finded out, this is the main thing brings to the story what we did, made the living. But how we did, when you got family in the world, but this was … Take just for the parents, our parents, you know, all of us. We didn't know. We been young. We didn't care what their names or where they lived, America. But when we been, my brother and me, when we've being still in hospital, a second time they called me, the lady, to come down in office again. Something new with me. I came down so first and they said, the lady [said], \"Okay, Mr. Visgardiski, you got family in Europe, in the world, in South America, or that?\" I told her, \"Right now, we got family for sure, but I don't have names for some of them, but I don't know where this is, the state where they live.\" She said, \"[Unintelligible.] Where you got? Do you got any friends?\" I said, \"No.\" [She asked,] \"You got here?\" [I said,] \"No.\" Then, she came, \"Who's in Africa? They stayed in Africa?\" [I said,] \"Oh, yes, lady. I got a sister that got … And this is the only family be.\" [She asked,] \"Is she still in South Africa? What's her name?\" I told her, \"Margolis is her name. Her name I know.\" [She said,] \"Oh, you know, I got for something for you.\" She took out the envelope and a teeny paper what … \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e [Unintelligible] a letter opened already and when I start to read, I start to cry. There [was] my brother-in-law's handwriting. She said, \"Be quiet. You know them?\" [I said,] \"My sister with my brother-in-law in Africa.\" [She asked,] \"What her name?\" I told her, \"Margolis.\" [She said,] \"You right.\" Then, now read out the letter. And he wrote like this, \"To who my letter is concerned, if you know somebody by the name …\" Our name was Visgardiski. [He wrote,] \"If you knew somebody from the family …\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7588.0,7756.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [Unintelligible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7756.0,7756.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: \"… I'll pay. I'll pay everything cost, every penny with all the things. Please let us know if somebody is alive from them.\" They didn't know from all me. And [he wrote,] \"I pay for this. And if you know it, let know by the American government or send to me right away.\" \"Right now,\" she says, \"sit down in here. Write a letter to them.\" I wrote right now in her office at the desk, I said, \"Isaac Visgardiski, I am alive, and Rachela is alive, and Sam is alive. That's what we know now.\" I didn't say the rest. The rest we cannot tell. When she got the letter, my brother-in-law, then they know we are alive. They know already in America are relatives, with the names [unintelligible]. This is what brought us to them. Right now, the same … Sam, he … I think right now, they came the next week or in two weeks from Africa to here. Okay, now …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7756.0,7823.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And that was after you got to America?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7823.0,7825.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I am, too, already. Now you know why I am here, and how I am here, how Sam is with me. We didn't want to separate nowhere in the world. We already want to stay together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7825.0,7838.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: They wanted to send [your] Daddy to Chattanooga [Tennessee].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7838.0,7841.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay, let Sam …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7841.0,7844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Let us know what happened from your liberation. When you got liberated, what happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7844.0,7854.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: I got liberated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7854.0,7855.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And what your thoughts were, where you thought you were going to go, what you were going to do. Did you look for family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7855.0,7865.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Isaac with Rachel came to America eight months before me. And I want really to go only to Israel. I had already packed my suitcases with everything, and I put \"Israel\" and that's all that I wanted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7865.0,7882.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Were you married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7882.0,7884.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7884.0,7884.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Were you married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7884.0,7888.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No. We've been together, I can say, like man and wife in concentration camp. We've been in one concentration camp together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7888.0,7899.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: But when you were liberated. How did you find your wife?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7899.0,7904.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He came. She came both together, right with my wife. Anyway, what I wanted …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7904.0,7911.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Where were they? \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7911.0,7919.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Another thing, I came to ask you, to tell you what ask me now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7919.0,7924.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Yes, but we need to know what happened from when you were liberated to how you got with Isaac and Rachel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7924.0,7932.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Well, that's what Isaac told already, when he came to bring Rachel, he brought … He came with Ida, too, with my wife. Now, that's another point. The point is when I came, I've been ready to go to Israel. And all of a sudden came Yudya, my cousin, and he say, \"Look, you came two brothers from the whole family alive. Will you go to Israel and Isaac, your brother, is already in the United States. Why you got separate both together? Go to America.\" I had papers to go to America, too, and I didn't go. I wanted to go to Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7932.0,7972.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How did you get the papers to go to America?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7972.0,7975.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Because I give up … I signed for papers that I had to go to America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7975.0,7979.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: The Joint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7979.0,7982.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, you didn't have …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7982.0,7982.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No, I can go where I want. He came to me, Yudya, and said, \"Look, you are two brothers. You go to America. From Israel to America, you can come any time. But the best thing for you [is] to not be separated with your brother.\" I put right now … And thank G-d Isaac and everybody told me it's the right thing to do. I put on the suitcases, on the boxes that I had, to go to Chattanooga. I had a certificate to go to Chattanooga by a man. He got a factory from fabrics, and he will take care of me and Ida. Later on, I put …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=7982.0,8031.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Was this through an organization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=8031.0,8035.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=8035.0,8035.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Was this through an organization that you had the man from the fabric?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=8035.0,8039.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Yes, was from UNNRA [United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration], the Joint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=8039.0,8043.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay, from Joint Distribution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=8043.0,8045.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=8045.0,11644.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: The Joint took care of me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11644.0,11647.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11647.0,11648.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: And I put right now on all the boxes, \"Chattanooga, Tennessee.\" But I didn't know where Chattanooga is. I thought, \"Where this place? Who knows where they're going to send me?\" And they say, \"Don't you worry, Chattanooga is a state in America, the same thing. Don't you worried about them,\" and he put on my cases \"Chattanooga.\" I came in the military boat General Stewart. They make me to work on the boat because they didn't …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11648.0,11682.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Were you by yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11682.0,11682.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No, with Ida.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11682.0,11683.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Well, when did y'all get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11683.0,11687.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: In Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11687.0,11689.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11689.0,11691.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: In 19 … When we was there in 1945. Not 1945. When you come back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11691.0,11701.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Forty-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11701.0,11701.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: How long?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11701.0,11703.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Forty-six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11703.0,11703.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Well, something. Forty-six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11703.0,11703.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Forty-six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11703.0,11708.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Anyway, they made me work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11708.0,11709.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Because Saba was [born] in forty-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11709.0,11709.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: She was a baby and my wife was with her together in one room, a beautiful room there. But me, they give me the soldier's, you know, like I would be a soldier, and they make me to paint the boat, to do something. I came in the United States. On the port, they took out my suitcases and a Schwarzer [Yiddish: black person] came to see and say, \"Where these suitcases go?\" I told him. He asked me, \"Where you going?\" I said, \"To Hahanuka,\" because in our language, Chattanooga is Hahanuka. You read it this. He looked at me like this, with the big eyes, and says, \"Sir, I think you got a wrong state. I don't think … Hahanuka is not a state in America.\" He won't say, \"This is Chattanooga. Tell them Chattanooga.\" I didn't know how to. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11709.0,11782.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: No, what we are going to start talking about now is what happened when you actually came to Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11782.0,11790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11790.0,11790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay. Sam, I am going to let you start with telling me what you thought about Atlanta when you got here. What were your first thoughts about what you were going to do? And tell us a little bit about your reunion with Isaac, because you came two years after Isaac came to Atlanta, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11790.0,11815.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No, he come eight months before me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11815.0,11820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Oh, eight months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11820.0,11821.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Months. What are you talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11821.0,11823.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay, eight months. So, Isaac, you got here in 19 …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11823.0,11829.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Forty-nine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11829.0,11830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Forty-nine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11830.0,11830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Forty-nine. And you came here with Rachel and the twins?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11830.0,11835.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11835.0,11836.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Eli and Helen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11836.0,11837.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11837.0,11838.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And how old were Eli and Helen when you got here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11838.0,11843.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: How old was Eli and Helen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11843.0,11845.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I think when you came already, you'd been born in Germany. You were born in Germany?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11845.0,11855.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Right, but how old were Eli and Helen when you came to Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11855.0,11860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: How old was Eli and Helen? You can figure out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11860.0,11865.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Two years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11865.0,11865.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: From 1949 and we came here …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11865.0,11867.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, they were two years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11867.0,11868.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11868.0,11869.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Two years, it was. Eli, he could not read, but by heart know Yiddish perfect. And now he cannot talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11869.0,11883.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay, and Sam, you came here in 19 …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11883.0,11888.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Nineteen forty-nine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11888.0,11889.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Eight months later than Isaac. And when you came here you came here with your wife …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11889.0,11903.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11903.0,11904.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba:  … and your daughter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11904.0,11904.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: With you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11904.0,11906.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: See, [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11906.0,11915.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: When I came here, I came in New York. The Federation from New York picked me up with my name. They got already my name with everything. And they [were] prepared. [There was a] woman speaking Yiddish. There came woman from New York, and they speak to me in Yiddish and they told me, \"You're going to Atlanta. You got family to Atlanta and there were you going.\" They gave me papers with everything. And I came and they gave me $17 [in] one-dollar bills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11915.0,11951.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: This was in Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11951.0,11953.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: When I came in Atlanta already. I said, \"What did you money for? What got do with the $17?\" They say, \"In train, where you go with them train, you got a baby, you want some milk, you want something to eat. You just, you have to buy something for this.\" And the Federation in Atlanta picked me up and they brought me in office for Federation. I came into office for the Federation, sit down. There were the girls, Mickie Eisenberg, the first … She was a young girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11953.0,11982.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: She was the secretary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11982.0,11984.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Secretary. I stand like this, and they ask me questions, and I didn't understand what they asked me, what they talking. Later, they asked me if you got children. I say, \"Yes, I got some in New York.\" [They asked,] \"In New York, you got children? What you saying?\" [I said,] \"Yes, I've got 17.\" Mickie Eisenberg fall down from chair laughing and all the girls got to laugh. And the president of the federation was Mr. [Edward] Kahn, an elderly man, but he speaking fluently Yiddish and he heard everybody laughing hard. He said, \"What's going on here? What are you doing here?\" They said, \"Mr. Kahn, that man came just now from Europe and he got 17 children in New York.\" He say to me in Yiddish, \"Du hast zibetsn kinder in New York? [Do you have 17 children in New York]?\" I said, \"No, I got 17 dollars, I didn't say nothing. I thought they asked me how much money I got. And I put in $17.\" Mickie Eisenberg is now about 89 years almost. And she still come in shul [Yiddish: synagogue], and they ask me, they give me a question, [unintelligible], \"You still got $17 children in New York?\" She didn't forget [what I] say all my life. Anyway, they gave me a place where to go and where to stay. I came to the Federation, and I said, \"Look, I never live on charity.\" He said, \"Don't worry about them. This is not charity. We will pay you for everything. You will stay here. Anything you need, we will …\" I say, \"I need a job, any kind of job. I can do anything you want to.\" Came one woman from the Federation in the morning, and she carried me in a little grocery store. A man with a wife standing there and he asked me. They speak in Yiddish to me and they say, \"We're going to learn you how to run in a grocery store, how to do something. Do you ride a bicycle?\" I said, \"What kind of job is this, to ride a bicycle? I had in Europe a bicycle. And I was happy, but what I am going to do with a bicycle?\" [They said,] \"You're going to deliver some customers [unintelligible]. You're going to deliver groceries.\" I've been happy with everything, to ride a bicycle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=11984.0,12135.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And what was Isaac? Isaac, what were you doing at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12135.0,12138.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He had a real job, Isaac. He had a [unintelligible], something like this, and anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12138.0,12144.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: This was a separate place? You had separate jobs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12144.0,12147.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12147.0,12148.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: See, I worked. I got a job. They wanted me to put in a store, like he's telling now, a grocery, a little … This was everybody's business from the newcomers, the Jewish. They used to buy little stores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12148.0,12166.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: What did you do when you first started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12166.0,12169.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Mister Miller, the cousin here, my wife's, had three theaters here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12169.0,12178.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Movie theaters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12178.0,12181.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Movies, and what was on Peachtree [Street was] the best. What was the best, all the business was there. The theater was going day and night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12181.0,12191.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Go in and go out, go in and go out, [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12191.0,12193.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: They used to go in, buy a ticket to walk in and put away all their groceries, what they bought or ordered, buy things, put it away, and fall asleep like this in chair for the couple pennies, for 50. There was, I think, a dollar. I didn't do. Then he, the uncle she had in Denver, Colorado, come to see us, \"What you doing?\" I hear this, anything what they said, but I didn't tell nothing. It looks like they said, the uncle from Colorado said, \"Mr. Miller, that's not for Isaac to do. Let … You take him a job to do something in your movie theater.\" He say, \"Why?\" He said, \"He'll stay only in the movie theater, what to do.\" That's what I do. He didn't do nothing and I don't do nothing. But what he said was the truth, like I understood him, \"You tell Isaac that he got a job, and let him take this job. And don't let him do. Tell him not to do,\" I know someone let me going do something there anyway, \"but I'll pay with you. He need to make a living. Then they'll make a couple days, we'll find something, but we do best to open a grocery store, a little grocery store for him.\" Oh, then I think in the beginning, this would be very good, but [I told them,] \"I got a brother in Germany, and he will want to go to Israel, and I didn't been with him. Thank G-d we are together. We've been already a couple of years after the war, and I'm doing this. In the war, we've been together in the camp. I'll wait till Sam will come and this we'll start.\" Till then, I go in theater. He put me in theater, and it's brought me what to do, \"Take the money from yesterday, from last night, and put this out, and put in for deposit, and I'll carry you in the bank.\" It was half a block. [He said,] \"You'll bring four times a day to want to deposit. You collect this money and this is [all, then you] go home.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12193.0,12344.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How much did you make?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12344.0,12347.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: What I made? I didn't … I don't remember, but later, I started … I think this is just a thing. What he did, he paid for everything, what we had to eat or what. Miller had a cousin. He had a factory. I'm sure he is now, too. A factory that made …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12347.0,12372.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Pottery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12372.0,12374.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Pottery everything, to drink, and to feed, and to … But the pottery … When he told me to do it, when he asked me, he said to me … He used to come and watch movies, too. He didn't talk to me because I talk good and I understand. He said to me, \"Isaac, you can read in German?\" I told him, \"So much I can understand everything what they say to me.\" [He said,] \"I need you badly. You don't need [unintelligible]. I pay you a good money.\" I told him, \"Okay.\" I want to get [unintelligible]. [I asked,] \"When I start?\" He said what to do. He said, \"I'll come tomorrow and pick you up,\" and he carry me in the factory. I see what he need me there in the factory. I looked and he gave me a little … Then, he needed me when everybody gone away. When everybody's gone away, then they give me the Germans letters, whatever it was, the prescriptions to put in paint or what. And I read it good. He was happy in the world. But when I came home, when I took a shower, I didn't know why it was. Not a shower; I took a bath in the tub. It was like blood, like deep like blood. I didn't know what is. I got so scared to death. I find out that the pottery, what they make it, they make from clay. But the money was … He give me enough. I quit this and I went back for them to wait. Saul said, \"My movie theater don't cost you much to go in, free.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12374.0,12507.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, you were working in pottery, and Sam was working …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12507.0,12512.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, Sam come and find me already, working back …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12512.0,12516.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: I've been already in the little grocery store and I asked him, \"What kind of money I'm going to make?\" He said, \"We pay $7 a week.\" I said, \"You know, I got a wife and a child.\" They said, from the Federation, \"Don't you worry about them. We will take care of your wife, all that …\" I said, \"Look, I never live in charity. I do anything in the world, any hard work. But I don't want any charity to take care of my wife, take of my child. Any kind of job you give me …\" Anyway, first I got to learn about groceries. I took a piece of paper and I go in there. I never see so many can goods in my life. I got to write down. I write down in Yiddish: pork and beans, khazer mit beblech; chicken noodle soup, hindl zup youykh mit lokshn; black-eyed peas, beblech mit schwarze oygn. See, I write down everything [like] sweet potatoes, zis bulbes, and everything. When somebody come to me to ask me, \"Pork and beans,\" I make a list, maybe for a mile. It took me an hour to find out where the pork and bean is and my customer left already. He couldn't have any patience. Later on, we came together and we bought a little store, [from] Diamond. You know, Diamond …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12516.0,12608.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Did I sell you to me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12608.0,12610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No, Diamond, the woman, Diamond. She's a Jewish …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12610.0,12613.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You tell them better about …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12613.0,12616.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: She … We bought from her husband, the little store. She's still alive. She remember even how I write down everything in Yiddish. She read in the Yiddish. She got it [all written down] even in the safe, you know, how it came there and everything. Later on …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12616.0,12638.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Isaac went with you in the grocery store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12638.0,12640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Later on, we've been together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12640.0,12642.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: They said … Like, Miller and the other one said if they'll buy a little store. You understand? [They said,] \"As they been working, they cannot make a living. In a store, it is one day making good, a second day less, or maybe a store will be enough for two families. They go together on and have what to do.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12642.0,12666.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Tell me how much you had to pay for the store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12666.0,12668.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: For the store, we have to pay $79. You remember? Seventy-nine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12668.0,12676.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: How much we paid for store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12676.0,12677.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Seventy-nine dollars a month for the store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12677.0,12681.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Five thousand and five hundred dollars, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12681.0,12683.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Anyway, Diamond sold us the store with the house, with everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12683.0,12687.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, not Diamond; the house … She sold us [unintelligible] long time. And the house was through Maddox.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12687.0,12697.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: That's what I say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12697.0,12699.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: But the store, we bought from the Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12699.0,12704.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: From Diamond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12704.0,12704.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Diamond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12704.0,12704.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: A man with a wife, they both were elderly people. And they say, \"You will learn about the groceries and everything. We going to sell you the store.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12704.0,12712.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Well, how did you learn English?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12712.0,12716.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: In the night, I go in school. From Federation, she came, and she picked me up, and she waited for me for the hour, or two hours, or something like this, and she brought me back home, and I went to learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12716.0,12729.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did your wife go, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12729.0,12731.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Ida, she didn't go. We came in there and the teacher was from Brooklyn, a young woman. She spoke good Yiddish and she was a good teacher in English. She learned me how to write something a little bit and how to talk. Later, she asked me to, \"Mr. Wise put on the board 'table.'\" I put T-A-B-L. She said, \"Mr. Wise, you forgot the E.\" I said, \"Teacher, you didn't tell me 'tablee.' If you would tell me 'tablee,' I would put 'tablee.' But you told me 'table.' I put 'table.'\" Remember? [I] said, \"Why I got to put an E, when I don't hear the E?\" She said, \"This is English.\" Later, she told me to put Johannesburg. I put Johanesberg, and I put with one N. She said, \"Mr. Wise, you've got to put two N's.\" I said, \"You didn't tell me 'JohaNNesburg.' If you would tell me 'JohaNNesburg,' I'd put two N's, but I never heard NN. I only put N.\" [I] said, \"Why I got to do it?\" She said, \"This is English. I couldn't explain you.\" Well, that was hard, especially for people like [us, who] came to start to learn, ride, and to read. It's hard. In Europe, don't exist. Nobody will ask you how to spell, because you're writing down just what you hear. That's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12731.0,12826.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, besides the language, what were some other … Was it hard to talk to people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12826.0,12834.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Oh, this was very easy, but see how …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12834.0,12838.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: We stayed together day and night, and we worked in the store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12838.0,12844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I could tell you how we teached. In same school I'd been where he used to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12844.0,12850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He used like to stay by the meat, and I used to stay in the front. And all of a sudden came a salesman from Baby Ruth candy. You know Baby Ruth? Here came a salesman and he stayed there by the [unintelligible], and he say, \"I am Baby Ruth.\" Baby Ruth? I took my list and I look everything I put. I never see Baby Ruth. He start to laugh, and I say, \"Isaac, do you know some Baby Ruth? He say, \"Baby Ruth?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12850.0,12885.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: The Baby Ruth was [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12885.0,12890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Anyway, he came out, and brought a box of candies, and said, \"I am Baby Ruth for the candies.\" But the main thing what it was, came a man, we staying and sell half a year, beer and wine without license. We didn't know we had to have a license. All of a sudden, came an inspector and he say, \"License.\" I took my paper and I said, pork and beans, khazer mit beblech, with everything, but license I don't know. I said, \"Isaac, did we get the license?\" He said, \"Take a look at your list.\" He says, \"Maybe you find.\" I looked, license here, or license here, and I don't find any license, no license. He said to me … He called him [over], too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12890.0,12935.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: That inspector was a good man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12935.0,12936.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: The inspector said, \"Come here. I'd like to ask you.\" He put one hand on me and one hand on him, and he said, \"Look here, America is the best country in the world. Don't forget. But you staying and you selling a half a year without license, you can go to jail for them.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12936.0,12957.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Now, what's even worse that we used to sell wine and beer. And I think this is for here, you don't need license. [Unintelligible.] We sell it good without it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12957.0,12973.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He understood. He see already how we talk and everything, and he say to us, \"I know you,\" and \"You don't know me. I am an inspector for the wine and beer, but I am a liberator for concentration camps and I know your people. I've been the liberator from a lot of concentration camps, but don't you worry. Don't be scared. Don't tell nobody to …\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=12973.0,13002.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [He said,] \"It will be all right. I'll give you license.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13002.0,13005.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He going to make me to bring license. All of sudden, we got license already, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13005.0,13011.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: That's a funny thing in our lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13011.0,13013.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: But we used to trust everybody in store. Somebody say, \"Give me a pack of cigarettes. I'll bring you tomorrow the money.\" We trust [and say,] \"All right, bring tomorrow,\" but I didn't write the name. We write the names in Yiddish. We have writing the name in Yiddish. We had [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13013.0,13047.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Then after them, we didn't recognize who is who.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13047.0,13052.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: And he says, \"Yes,\" and we got us a bunch of stickers: twenty cents, forty cents, thirty cents. In came a woman to me and says, \"Give me a box of …\" To put in the tobacco … You know, the … What do you call this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13052.0,13073.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Chewing tobacco?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13073.0,13073.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13073.0,13073.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Snuff?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13073.0,13075.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Snuff! [She said,] \"Give me a box of snuff.\" I give her a bag of snuff. She opens up the bag of snuff and she puts it in her mouth. And I say, \"Where's your money?\" She says, \"I didn't got any money.\" I said, \"You open up already this!\" She took out the teeth and said, \"Hold my teeth till tomorrow. I come back then.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13075.0,13097.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Let me tell you something. Now is the best moment for stories about the phone, but I had to go back. Just a short one, I tell it. I didn't [unintelligible] came in America. We lost a bad plane because I tried to help, waiting for the time till transport will go from the German place where we waited in … From where we come from in Germany?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13097.0,13137.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Munich.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13137.0,13137.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Munich?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13137.0,13137.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13137.0,13137.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Munich?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13137.0,13143.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: From Munich, no?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13143.0,13144.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Not Munich. From Munich, we had to go to where the boats going away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13144.0,13149.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13149.0,13151.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Oh, the port.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13151.0,13153.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yes. No, anyway, then I tried to help them. I say, \"It's nothing what to do.\" Like here, I haven't got what to do. Then, I think I going to help them in the kitchen. I can do something, [peel] potatoes or what. And they call my name where we staying and sleeping overnight till I have a boat. They called my name, but I didn't hear it. After they finished the work, where I was helping them for free, I come in and she said, \"Isaac, did you hear? They called me up to be ready to go. They got a place for us to go with the boat.\" Everybody waited with two kids to go to America. And what to do? Now, this was after five o'clock. The office is closed already, and they didn't wait for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13153.0,13215.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: I got a box for [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13215.0,13219.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Let me finish, just one second. I want to give you more to tell her story. And she said this, I almost start to cry. [I said,] \"You know what? Let me go ask.\" She said, \"It's closed already. Everybody say she closed the office.\" I took both kids in my hand. There was two. [I carried] one up here and one of them. [I said,] \"I'll go anyway. They'll let me in.\" And I knocked [unintelligible]. I knocked in the window and knocked there. There walked out a lady. She take a look, \"What do you … Your name is Visgardiski?\" [I said,] \"Yeah.\" [She said,] \"I'm sorry. You're late.\" I told the lady, \"I helped in the kitchen there for free,\" and with the kids. She said, \"Wait a little first. First of all, I give them chocolate.\" She opened up the door, \"Come inside.\" Just was it like I tell you. She give both two pieces of chocolate, and now I'll tell you. [She asked,] \"This is your two children, huh?\" I told her, \"Yeah.\" [She said,] \"I tell you what. You are lucky man. Not only I am sorry you lost the trip with the boat, but I got for you a boat. You never seen it in your life, like this. Get ready. Tomorrow morning, you'll go. Because of the kids, I feel for you pity.\" Anyway, I can tell you, before we went, she gave us the best boat what came in America, [the SS] Marine Flasher. I wrote it down in my book, not to forget the name. And we had [unintelligible], and the nurses, and they fall in love with Eli. The captain from the boat [let] Eli [ring] the bell to go eat, to call them. He go with him. He took care of it himself. The best in the world, like the best hotel with everything, fruits, they gave us free. They give us money. On the boat [unintelligible], they called us at night to come, and [said], \"We'll give you money.\" What did money? [They] give me $29, and for the kids, two $15. Anyway, that's it. \"And I want to tell you for what we've giving you the money,\" they say this, \"Sir, we've giving you the money [because] tomorrow we'll open a canteen.\" This is true, an English word?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13219.0,13385.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: A canteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13385.0,13387.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [They said,] \"A canteen and you can get for your money what you want. But to let you have the money, [unintelligible].\" There's a dime, there's a nickel. I didn't know what to call a dime or a nickel. We took the money and we … I just … I really didn't know what a beautiful place, never been yet. In the morning, I worked hard. When they opened the canteen, I go by. I take Eli, my son, and I took the small change. They gave us in small change, and dollars, and half a dollar. I tell Eli, \"I go and buy you something.\" I go in canteen. You go in the canteen, you get everything what you can get: Coca-Cola, candy, and tchotchkes, and everything. He gave me … \"Eli, what you want?\" Eli say he want a Coca-Cola. He gave me a Coca-Cola. [Unintelligible] to give the smallest amount is the dime. The dime is smaller. We had a nickel. And I hand him the dime, and [unintelligible]. He said, \"Wait a little. Here is …\" [Unintelligible.] I gave him this small one and he give me the big one change. Now, he go to Helen to buy something. Helen want get her chocolate. The chocolate cost a nickel, too. The chocolate costs a nickel. [Unintelligible.] I think, \"He will not fool me.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13387.0,13505.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: He'll cheat you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13505.0,13505.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I'm going to fool him. I took them nickel. They was the bigger one. If he gave me for the small one, I will see how many nickels he'll give me back. Then, I gave him the nickel and he say, \"Thank you.\" I stay like this [with my hand out] and wait. [He said,] \"No, this is five [cents.\" Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13505.0,13533.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: You thought he was …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13533.0,13536.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I come to my wife. I said, \"Rachel, over there is a Nazi.\" Maybe he's a Nazi, or he's antisemitic. [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13536.0,13555.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, the big money was the nickel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13555.0,13559.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay, later, I learned how to do it. I learned now what a nickel is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13559.0,13564.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Let us get back to the grocery store. When you came back …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13564.0,13567.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: That's a funny way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13567.0,13568.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Well, that's what we want. We want to hear everything. 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Did people come from the community? Did they come to visit you? Did they …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13584.0,13589.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13589.0,13591.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Come there when we worked together? We didn't know the difference because we both wear one uniform: white shoes, white aprons, and we with [unintelligible] our heads. Without this we couldn't know. And we stayed till 11, 12 o'clock in the night, and [said,] \"We closed everybody. We going close.\" He looked himself in the mirror and he …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13591.0,13620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [Unintelligible] shadow in the window.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13620.0,13620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam:  [Unintelligible]. I say to Isaac, \"Isaac, don't let in nobody.\" He said, \"But what come in here?\" I said, \"Isaac, you are there. Take a look.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13620.0,13630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac:  So help me G-d.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13630.0,13633.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Isaac [said,] \"I didn't recognize myself.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13633.0,13634.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I told him I didn't notice my body. 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First of all, did the wives help at the store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13665.0,13665.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Oh, yes, they know how.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13665.0,13673.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Not in the first …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13673.0,13674.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: You used to come with Helen to the store, and you eat up all the Ex-lax [laxatives]. And we had for you a night. They think that's chocolate and they ate all the Ex-lax. They eat up, both of them. And my wife was like, \"[unintelligible].\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13674.0,13692.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac:  [Unintelligible] as they say in Hebrew. We had friends from … Like, we looked for friends, but not for what we got, nothing coming, not good. We had … We have a friend. We had to talk out our hearts, to talk our trouble, what we had, to talk all the bitterness we went through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13692.0,13721.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, did you do that with a group of friends that were survivors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13721.0,13727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Mostly with all newcomers, yes, survivors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13727.0,13727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: All the survivors almost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13727.0,13728.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you come here before most of them, or did you come around the same time as the rest of the survivors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13728.0,13733.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, mostly at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13733.0,13735.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Mostly the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13735.0,13737.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: And later, we started …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13737.0,13739.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: How did you …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13739.0,13740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: We had a big organization right away, because Greenie … Come to the Greenies, all of us. We got all of them who come. And later we got a little [unintelligible], Americanized, we separate a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13740.0,13756.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: But the same way, like if you already know such a perfect English, like I'm talking in now, and if he didn't talk, he only find out what Americans write, and talking, and not good to a double E probably double … But we've already been the teachers for the others what coming. They used to come, oh, two families came in today in Atlanta. Why? They already, people finded out that the Wises are here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13756.0,13793.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, y'all were like the leaders of the …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13793.0,13796.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: They're [unintelligible] like I told you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13796.0,13798.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: For them, we'd been already new friend move them. 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Atlanta pretty good.\" But it was not good. We not too good to it. I'm talking about the Jewish Federation was not too good and the same … Sam, the same girl what she was the secretary …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13808.0,13837.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Oh, Mickie Eisenberg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13837.0,13839.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: And then here come already more Jews, and now nobody had a penny like we, and I already calling myself … We used to go there on meetings, and talk together, and everybody needs some help. When they asked me to be the talker in …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13839.0,13863.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Spokesman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13863.0,13863.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yes, in the Federation. Mr. Kahn was the governor. And I come, and Mr. Kahn took me in, and talk to me so nice, and everything, but I asked him … I don't want nothing. I told him, \"We already got little stores, and we wanted for more, a few people to give them just a loan. They'll pay back every penny.\" But [he said,] \"We're not doing this no more.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13863.0,13902.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, when you went to ask for money for other families, they would not give them loans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13902.0,13910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Okay, I told them they can even sign up. They made a living here. They'll make if they'll open some kind of work or a little business. And he didn't give. This is one thing. One rich man had a big factory in Atlanta. And to me, come, and we sold in store already money orders. You know, American Express.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13910.0,13940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Isaac, don't tell it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13940.0,13940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13940.0,13940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13940.0,13946.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You are afraid for them? There come in a man, and I don't know if his face looks like a Yid or not a Yid. I showed him the monitor and I asked him, \"You are a newcomer here? He talking. He said, \"Yeah, I Yid.\" [I asked,] \"What you doing?\" He said, \"My wife is a photographer. Maybe she'll get a job and everything.\" I knew the man [unintelligible] them factories already. I think, \"Okay,\" and I think with a few other Jewish newcomers. And I ask him if he'll be the American man, and we bring in the newcomers, and we'll all signed up, if they would, if he would be signed with them. He said, \"I got a partner in my store, and we had got a …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=13946.0,14015.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: A policy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14015.0,14015.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: … policy not to give out and not to sign for nobody, but,\" he said to them, \"pay the little man.\" I talk to the man, what I'm telling you him [unintelligible]. And the man worked for him. I forgot it, to tell. [Unintelligible]. This was his bad feeling. He gave it to him, and he put me, and he walked out, and maybe for laying there or what, he put in the garbage can, and when he did to what. [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14015.0,14073.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: We sent for somebody else over there to get money and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14073.0,14076.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: And three other more we put in. He got the rich from us, [unintelligible]. He's already died and the wife is in another state [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14076.0,14088.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: He gave plenty money for the shul, for the synagogue, for the name, to have his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14088.0,14095.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Anyway, to show you the pity from some people, maybe they look for it. A Greener didn't have much to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14095.0,14105.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, people looked down on you? They didn't come in and help you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14105.0,14109.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Nothing, absolutely nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14109.0,14112.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No. They call us the Greener because [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14112.0,14115.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: But weren't there people that would come in, and check on you, and help you out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14115.0,14120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Not absolutely and other people, they been in the [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14120.0,14123.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: We helped by ourselves, the answer to everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14123.0,14128.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I don't know [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14128.0,14132.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Isaac, it's [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14132.0,14137.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Now, there were some people that we had talked about at one time that did come in, like Max Feldman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14137.0,14151.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Max Feldman, he came in my store, when we had been separated. I, on the city, bought for me the little store what I get, and I built the supermarket. And when he came into the supermarket, and he see the fixtures with the big one, with the lights, with everything, 'Windsor Red Dot Supermarket,' he put his hand on his heart and he start to cry. He came to me and he gave me a kiss on kop [Yiddish: head], \"[Unintelligible].\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14151.0,14196.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: So, there were some people that were kind to you and helped you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14196.0,14201.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, yes, the older people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14201.0,14204.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Saba, dear Feldman, Mr. Feldman from … You know him from …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14204.0,14210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: His mother used to come to each Saturday, bought from us herring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14210.0,14213.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: His father had a little store in …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14213.0,14220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: A liquor store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14220.0,14222.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: It's been by the shul, not far from shul anyway, on Washington Street, [Unintelligible] Street. His father had wine and beer, he used to sell. But you remember him, his father? He used to like to take a dream, asleep a little at night. I used to go into the store, we'd be talking about books or talk about this, and he spoke Yiddish. [Unintelligible]. But when we send him somebody speaking Yiddish, he take … he's family already. It's like would be as this. Anyway, one day he said to me, \"Isaac, I see you understand what to do. I like take a dream in the back room from the store,\" he had a room [with] a little bed, \"and if somebody will come in … I hope they will not come, but if somebody will come and you need me, just touch me and say to get up.\" G-d help me, nobody came in and he didn't. So, I didn't sold nothing, and he had nothing to do, and I didn't have to wake him up. When he got up, I told him, \"I don't know who was the other luckier, you or I. Nobody walked in.\" I asked him, \"What would you do if I wouldn't be here?\" [He said,] \"I would lock the store, let them keep them half a dollar, and I got my sleep here.\" Ask him, Mr. Feldman. He'll tell you. I told him about it a hundred times. Now, he'll say, \"Isaac, you got to tell me again what my daddy say.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14222.0,14337.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Now, where did you live? Sam, where did you live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14337.0,14341.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: We lived together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14341.0,14342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14342.0,14343.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: On the … where the store is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14343.0,14345.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You used to sleep, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14345.0,14347.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14347.0,14348.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You used to sleep [in] the store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14348.0,14349.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: No. In my store there, [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14349.0,14353.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Where was the first place you moved? Did you move together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14353.0,14356.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: On 10th Street, we stayed together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14356.0,14359.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: That was your first house? Was it 10th Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14359.0,14362.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Yes, upstairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14362.0,14365.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Yes, upstairs we used to live. Later, I moved into another house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14365.0,14371.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did anyone ever live at Washington Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14371.0,14374.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Washington Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14374.0,14376.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: On Washington Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14376.0,14377.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Yes. Saba, because I have been eight months, I lived before him, then I had more stories. But when they came over, we've been together really like a brother and sister supposed to be. When we go out and get a room … To show you how they treat us … They first, from the very rich people here, by a father, they came, two ladies, and picked us up and said, \"We not going to tell you, but we not going to charge you for the living there until you'll get an apartment or what.\" And we lived together so happy for a short time. We know that for something. And the first night was Friday night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14377.0,14440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: This wasn't [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14440.0,14441.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: We sat down to eat Shabbos. We are very happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14441.0,14448.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: Friday night dinner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14448.0,14449.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: And in the middle of eating, the lights got turned. He go and sleep. Shabbos, that's what he liked it. Here … And something else would be at cleaning the place. We didn't know what to do, or what to eat, or what to we done. And they let us in the back. When the man got sick, when he went to the hospital … When he in the hospital, the old daddy, the father there, who let us in the building, he called it the one he liked to come to him. He loved him so much. [Unintelligible]. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14449.0,14506.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: He is always the talker. You know, I am the quiet more, but now I make him to be quiet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14506.0,14515.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: And now, she … Saba [unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14515.0,14526.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Everybody's in love with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14526.0,14528.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: But that's not going into the movie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14528.0,14530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: It is. We have got it on tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14530.0,14534.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: What you want to ask? I got to know what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14534.0,14536.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay, now we are just going to talk a little bit more serious about how you felt. You had lost so much family. You came here basically without anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14536.0,14555.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Not a penny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14555.0,14557.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Did you feel part of the Jewish community? When did you join the synagogue? Did you feel like the synagogue was … Did they accept you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14557.0,14571.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: They … Saba, it's the beginning. It's …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14571.0,14580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You want me answer me and answer you together a little?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14580.0,14580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Let me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14580.0,14583.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Let Rachel talk first, and then we will get to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14583.0,14584.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: She will talk something else. That's all. See, when you started to ask about the synagogue …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14584.0,14595.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam: [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14595.0,14595.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Believe me, I know what I'm talking here, Sam. When I tell her this, she's be a difference from somebody. See, it's not only we are the only one making the film, the movie. The synagogues, both synagogues, was not too far. I'm talking about the synagogue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14595.0,14621.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: What are both synagogues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14621.0,14624.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Shearith Israel was like, you know, where we lived … Tante [Yiddish: Aunt] Lena Kaplan. Their Uncle Hillel [Massel] was the president in the Ahavath Achim when I come. And they come to … Both was in the synagogues. And sure, I've been nearer to the uncle here, Nathan [Kaplan], but the Uncle Hillel wants me [unintelligible]. But to me, he wants to carry. He says, \"Isaac.\" I'll say this a little in Yiddish. He said, \"Isaac, [unintelligible] tomorrow morning in synagogue.\" Besides this, we have [unintelligible] from Kovno, and the rabbi is Rabbi [Harry] Epstein, und er is Slobodka Yeshiva gegangen lernen rabbi [Yiddish: and he went to Slobodka Yeshiva to learn to be a rabbi]. [Unintelligible]. You'll excuse me what I interrupt you about this, but I mean for you, how I come to AA. Did I wrong or right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14624.0,14743.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: I know too the same thing, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14743.0,14747.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: After the war and all the emotions that you went through, what kind of experiences happened since you have been in America, that you think have changed your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14747.0,14769.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14769.0,14775.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14775.0,14775.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Well, I didn't have any other ways, you know, even to think about my old home, my country. There was like dead for us. I always talked with your mother, \"You know, maybe we should go to Vendziogola [Lithuania].\" You know, maybe we should go and take a look what is there, because they are from there. But we didn't have the nerve. I says, what, who will we see there? Not one person is for us, only the goyim [Hebrew: non-Jews], and that's all. We didn't feel nothing. And I, not one day … I didn't want to go even in the best time now. If somebody would [have] told me, \"Come and see your country and it will not cost you a penny. We will pay for everything,\" I don't want go on the bloody ground what I've been staying, and I been begging the German, and kissed his boots to take me with my child. I didn't want to give him away. I says, \"Let me go, too.\" He says, \"You are too young, and you will work for us, and you will … But your child cannot do nothing.\" What shall I go there, and how can I stay, and to come to see? I don't have nothing. I lost my parents, I lost my child, I lost aunts, cousins, and the family from them. The mother and father, we told them goodbye. When they took them away, we've still been in ghetto. They took them away in a big truck and they killed him already, to kill. Then, we knew then our life will not be the same thing. But I bet you … It's … I don't know what it is, mazel [Hebrew: luck or destiny] or something, but we are alive. But we couldn't … I didn't know how I am alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14775.0,14931.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Do you feel any anger now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14931.0,14937.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Anger, I feel. I cannot talk this what we lost. We cannot forget this and we'll never forgive them. We'll never forget and not forgive what the Germans did for us. This is no question. But we got a new life here. We got family, thank G-d. G-d blessed me with two wonderful children and four grandchildren. Then how I can be … I feel everything to thank G-d and believe me, my father teached me. My father was a very intelligent and very religious man. He teached me to say in the morning Modeh Ani, and to thank G-d, you know, when you getting up, and you are alive, and you got your husband, thank G-d, and you got the children. This is the happiness for us. That's all. But to tell them it's not a big hole in the heart. I will never forget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=14937.0,15017.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: What do you think you are the most proud of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15017.0,15021.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: What we proud of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15021.0,15022.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15022.0,15024.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: We're proud that we got the little health. It's not health, you know, like you should have—everybody got something—but we are happy what we are together, what we got near the children, and the grandchildren. And now with the wedding [of our granddaughter], this is everything gives us more energy and hopes, you know, to live. But if not this, it wouldn't be worth it to live at all. You know, what we've been through, and what we lost, so much family, you know, from both sides. Then, we are happy, and G-d should only punish the people what they did it not only to me, not to him, to all the Jewish people. We cannot forget this. And we'll ever have in our hearts what … It's hard. When you got a simcha [Hebrew: celebration], you are happy. When you're in synagogue and you're still on Kaddish, you feel a big hole in the heart. That's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15024.0,15112.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: I think right now would be a wonderful time to take out some of the pictures that we have around the house and let you tell us a little bit more about the family, about your grandchildren, about your children. You two are probably one of the oldest living surviving couples that are still both together after so many years. I think that needs to be noted and archived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15112.0,15147.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: What do you mean couples?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15147.0,15150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: As a couple of survivors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15150.0,15152.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15152.0,15154.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: As a married couple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15154.0,15156.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: You talking about …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15156.0,15158.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: I am talking about over the world. You and Isaac are probably amongst the oldest living couples that are still married, and still in fairly good health, and have lived 65 years together. So, I think that's something that needs to be brought out in the tape. But I would like to start …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15158.0,15185.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Saba and Marsha, dear, I want to tell you. The question was feeling. The mother said that she feel good with family, being with you, with my son, with your family …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15185.0,15199.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: This I want to finish. I didn't finish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15199.0,15201.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: No, I'll tell you, I feel already good enough what people can wish themselves to feel like this. And I'll advise on how they feel like we feel with you, what you mean for us, believe me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15201.0,15222.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Same like our children. Same like my children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15222.0,15225.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Like you mean more than [as much as] our children, because they wouldn't do more for us. [Unintelligible].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15225.0,15235.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: That is why we wanted to videotape everyone together because our family is one family. We are not two separate families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15235.0,15242.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: I thank you very much for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15242.0,15255.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Let us go over here and get some pictures. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15255.0,15255.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Take their mom and dad like we stay in here with four of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15255.0,15277.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15277.0,15279.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: This is my family, our family both from my daughter and my son, my daughter-in-law, my son-in law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15279.0,15291.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: You want to tell us their names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15291.0,15293.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: The names? Eli and Karen Wise, Helen and Michael Arnoldi, and then four grandchildren, Michelle and Jennifer, Jarrod and Jonathan. This is my own family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15293.0,15318.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And you recently gained a son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15318.0,15320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: And now we gained, yes, a grandson, Marshall Benveniste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15320.0,15334.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: You want me to tell this? It's not too easy to tell …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15334.0,15347.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Both of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15347.0,15349.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Rachel, tell them. I cannot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15349.0,15356.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Me and Isaac, and Sam and Ida Wise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15356.0,15373.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And tell us a little bit about your grandchildren, what they do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15373.0,15383.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: The girls, one is married, just married, not long, and they're … She got a job and I don't know the names for what she worked in. You know, it's not important. She was a teacher. And the other one is still a single girl. She is working too, graduated from college. And my grandson, the oldest one is graduated from college and now he's again in another college to be a chiropractor. Another a year and a half or two years, he got still to finish. And the younger one is about 20, I think, and he is in University of Georgia. And they saw what we got the grandchildren.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15383.0,15454.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: And you want to talk a little bit about your children, and how they are, what kind of relationship you have with your children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15454.0,15463.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Oh, my gosh, I'm very bad. If you would go downstairs, and you know, here is 250 people living here. And anybody knows us already, since we are here two years. And we don't have to talk nothing about them. They talking already for us too. They never seen … They said, \"Here, there's a lot of people with children, with grandchildren.\" They come in sometimes, but they never seen like Wise's two children, how they are. And especially, my son, Eli, is more … He got the ability. You know, he is not in an office. My daughter works in an office. She is more busy. She cannot go away every minute. But he is in business, you know, the sales, and every single day he is here. If Daddy got to go somewhere … We got here transportation, we get here everything, but …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15463.0,15552.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isaac: Not one time a day. Sometimes three, four times. Today already was three times here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15552.0,15563.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel: Three times. And I think this is a blessing for us. They think a lot about us, but we thinking about them, too, a lot. Takes two to tango, like you say in English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15563.0,15583.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838/transcript/88757/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saba: It has been great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/164775/file/299838#t=15583.0,8390.91287"}]}]}]}