{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/vx05x26k83/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Katz, Martha Jo Felson"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2020-09-05 (captured)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Katz, Martha Jo Felson (Interviewee)","Berman, Sandra (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Video"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum","Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Collection","Jewish Oral History Project of Atlanta"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMartha Jo Felson Katz was interviewed by Sandra Berman on September 15, 2012. \u003c/p\u003e (general)","\u003cp\u003eMartha Jo Felson Katz is a native of Ocilla, Georgia. She is the daughter of Robert Felson and Annette Harris, and the granddaughter of Abraham Simon (A. S.) Harris, who was one of the most prominent men in Ocilla and the owner of the town’s largest department store. Martha Jo grew up in Ocilla and attended college at the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia, where she met her husband, Jerry Katz. Martha Jo married Jerry Katz in Fitzgerald, Georgia in 1961 and in 1966, Martha Jo became a leading fashion model in Atlanta. Martha Jo was a prominent model for Rich’s department store and participated in Rich’s Fashionata for many years. She also modeled in other high-level events ranging from those at The Standard Club to the Fox Theater Project Runway. During her career, she organized Atlanta’s models into a professional collaboration and later went on to do hotel event planning and volunteering.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eMartha Jo discusses her family history and how they came from Russia and eventually settled in Ocilla, Georgia. She talks about her grandfather, A. S. Harris and his successful department store, A. S. Harris Department Store. She reminisces about segregation, integration, and how people in Ocilla viewed the African American population and she recalls being at the University of Georgia when it was integrated. She discusses how the Jewish community was viewed and treated in Ocilla. Martha Jo shares about the Fitzgerald Hebrew Congregation being created, the congregational community, and Rabbi Kohen. She talks about dating growing up and always being around other Jewish people. Martha Jo reflects on celebrating Jewish holidays and Jewish recipes her grandmother would make. She goes on to talk about her time at UGA, being a DPhiE and meeting and marrying her husband, Jerry Katz. She shares how she got into modeling and discusses her career with Rich’s, fashion designers, and doing fashion shows. Martha Jo reflects on Fashionata and the big impact Sol Kent had on the Atlanta fashion community. She wraps up the interview by talking about her experiences growing up in a small town, sharing stories of her time working at A. S. Harris and Felson’s, and what Ocilla is like today. \u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/28838"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Katz, Martha Jo Felson (personal name)","Katz, Jerry (personal name)","Harris, Abraham Simon \"Abe\" (A. S. Harris) (1888-1946) (personal name)","Harris, Ida Bank (1888-1966) (personal name)","Bank, Charles (1846-1916) (personal name)","Bank, Chase (1844-1916) (personal name)","Bank, Joseph A. (1887-1954) (personal name)","Bank, Simon M. (1864-1935) (personal name)","Harris, Dr. Raymond (1912-1949) (personal name)","Harris, Helen Landey (b. 1918) (personal name)","Harris, Charles A. (1921-2001) (personal name)","Felson, Robert R. 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She is the daughter of Robert Felson and Annette Harris, and the granddaughter of Abraham Simon (A. S.) Harris, who was one of the most prominent men in Ocilla and the owner of the town\u0026rsquo;s largest department store. Martha Jo grew up in Ocilla and attended college at the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia, where she met her husband, Jerry Katz. Martha Jo married Jerry Katz in Fitzgerald, Georgia in 1961 and in 1966, Martha Jo became a leading fashion model in Atlanta. Martha Jo was a prominent model for Rich\u0026rsquo;s department store and participated in Rich\u0026rsquo;s Fashionata for many years. She also modeled in other high-level events ranging from those at The Standard Club to the Fox Theater Project Runway. During her career, she organized Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s models into a professional collaboration and later went on to do hotel event planning and volunteering.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eMartha Jo discusses her family history and how they came from Russia and eventually settled in Ocilla, Georgia. She talks about her grandfather, A. S. Harris and his successful department store, A. S. Harris Department Store. She reminisces about segregation, integration, and how people in Ocilla viewed the African American population and she recalls being at the University of Georgia when it was integrated. She discusses how the Jewish community was viewed and treated in Ocilla. Martha Jo shares about the Fitzgerald Hebrew Congregation being created, the congregational community, and Rabbi Kohen. She talks about dating growing up and always being around other Jewish people. Martha Jo reflects on celebrating Jewish holidays and Jewish recipes her grandmother would make. She goes on to talk about her time at UGA, being a DPhiE and meeting and marrying her husband, Jerry Katz. She shares how she got into modeling and discusses her career with Rich\u0026rsquo;s, fashion designers, and doing fashion shows. Martha Jo reflects on Fashionata and the big impact Sol Kent had on the Atlanta fashion community. She wraps up the interview by talking about her experiences growing up in a small town, sharing stories of her time working at A. S. Harris and Felson\u0026rsquo;s, and what Ocilla is like today.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/157/557/small/Katz_MarthaJo.mp4_1649345167.jpg?1649330768","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Katz_MarthaJo.mp4"]},"duration":5283.779,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/157/557/small/Katz_MarthaJo.mp4_1649345167.jpg?1649330768","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-thebreman.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/157/557/original/Katz_MarthaJo.mp4?1649330764","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":5283.779,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Katz, Martha Jo Felson [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: September 5th, 2012, and I am with Martha Jo Felson Katz, who has\nagreed to participate in the Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project of\nthe Cuba Family Archives at the Breman Museum. Martha Jo, I'm so glad that\nyou've agreed to participate in our project. I welcome you here today. You've\nhad such an interesting background, interesting life, and I'm very anxious to\nget all of you, all of your memories on tape. So, if we could begin ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with talking\na little bit about your family's background, how they ended up in middle Georgia\nin the town of Ocilla, how they got there?\n\nKATZ: My grandfather came from Odessa, Russia in 1902.\n\nBERMAN: I just want to interrupt for one minute. Also, whenever possible, please\nsay their names. And if the name is complicated, spell it out.\n\nKATZ: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: So again, you came from Odessa, Russia -\n\nKATZ: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abraham Simon Harris, and we think their Russian name was either\nMatusivitch or Mateshevitch. We're not sure how they pronounced it, but it was\nnot Harris. And there are many different stories about where that Harris name\ncame from. Some said it was, you know, he was somebody in line at the\nimmigration office that he heard that name, or some say it was the mailman's\nname, so we don't really know. But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he came in 1902. He brought with him Aaron\nHarris, who was a six-year-old first cousin. Aaron's parents were trying to get\ntheir children out of Russia. He had an older brother, which was in Dublin,\nGeorgia. His name was also Abe Harris. So, they used to call him little Abe\nHarris and my grandfather, Abe or A.S. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He somehow, he came through Ellis Island.\nHe got to Dublin, Georgia. He knew where he was going. He was 17 years old. So,\nit's miraculous to me, and it's also miraculous that parents would send a\nsix-year-old out of Russia with a 17-year-old, but it was that bad. So, he got\nto South Georgia, he lived with them, and he backpack pedaled through South\nGeorgia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ocilla is located 200 miles central Georgia, south of Atlanta. So, it's\nvery rural America. And when I grew up there, it was never more than about 3,000\npeople, I think 10,000 in the entire county, so it's still very small. My\ngrandmother was, her name was Ida Bank Harris, and she was born in Baltimore,\nMaryland, in 1888, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"October 31st, Halloween Day, 1888. Her parents had come from\nKovno, Lithuania the year before, and Joseph A. Bank, is her brother, the\nclothier. He had been born in Lithuania, and when he was just an infant, they\ncame to Baltimore, Maryland. So, my grandmother in 1910 married my grandfather,\nand he brought her, one of nine children from the Bank ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"family to Ocilla,\nouthouses, dirt roads. She had been in secretarial school, which then for a\nwoman, was really something big because women just didn't go to college at that\npoint. So, she came to Ocilla. My grandfather had backpacked and pedaled through\nSouth Georgia, and he came across a town that didn't have a store. Actually,\nthat was in 1907. So, five years, he saved enough ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"money in order to open A. S.\nHarris Department Store, which they call Irwin County's Trading Center. That\nstore was there until 1993. It was there, no, 2000, it was there 93 years before\nwe liquidated. So, it was a long history of being, you know, the retail\nmerchants store. There were a couple other ones that, actually there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were three\nJewish families in Ocilla, this little town, the Nathan's and the Heller's. It\nends up that the Heller family had a manufacturing company of underwear and the\nNathan's had a retail store down the street. It was only one street. And I'm\nworking on a book now called Two Blocks to Grandma's House, and actually it was\ntwo blocks to anything. It was two blocks. Everything was two blocks. If I\nwalked to town, it was two ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"blocks. If grandma walked to town, it was two blocks.\nSo, it was just two red lights and very small, but a wonderful, thriving\ncommunity when I grew up there.\n\nBERMAN: Do you, did you ever have discussions with your grandmother about the\nshock of leaving a city like Baltimore and moving to Ocilla?\n\nKATZ: The only thing she ever said, and this was so interesting to me, is that\nwhen she came, it was such ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a different life, but that she loved it and that she\nloved my grandfather. I think that they probably had an arranged marriage\nbecause he came to buy clothes from my great grandfather. His name was Simon\nBank, and he had a company called Wear Well Pants Company in Baltimore. My\ngrandfather would come to Baltimore, New York, to buy clothes for the store, and\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my great grandfather just adored him, thought he was a great person. He said,\n\"You know, I have five daughters at home, four sons. Come have dinner.\" And they\nmet. She was the oldest, and I really believe they probably arranged that\nmarriage because it was quick. They met and I think perhaps a few months later,\nthey were married. So, it wasn't long. But I do have the wedding invitation that\nsays, \"Bride's Residence 612 Hanover Street, Baltimore, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maryland.\" We just\nrecently visited, and we went to Federal Hill, and we walked around and my\ngreat-great grandparents, Charles and Chase Bank live next door in 610. The lady\nthat lived in 610 invited us in to come see the original walls and pocket doors\nand fireplaces and fixtures in the house. It was really wonderful to see where\nmy ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandmother, Ida Bank Harris had grown up. She was born there in 1888 and it\nhad all been restored, which we just loved. I walked in and cried because I felt\nthat family history. Now every time I pass by a Chase Bank, I think of a\ngreat-great grandmother. That was her name. I believe they probably called her\nChase. They pronounced it different, but it was spelled C-H-A-S-E, just like the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bank.\n\nBERMAN: What are your earliest memories of the store itself? Can you describe\nwhat it looked like when you walked in the front door?\n\nKATZ: When you walked in it had hardwood floors, or wood floors not really\npolished, you know, but dark wood. I remember that some so good because they\ncreaked. You could hear them, and that was the old store. It was there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"until\n1952 when they tore it down. We built another store, a block down the street, a\nbrick store, moved in temporarily while they tore down that store and rebuilt\nthe A. S. Harris Department Store, which was on the main street. But the old\nstore had fabulous fixtures and it had the old cash registers. It had a men's\nside and a women's side, and it had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dry goods, all kinds of dry goods. You could\nbuy oil cloth. I remember selling lots of oil cloth because the people put that\non their tables when they ate. Of course, we ate at 12 noon. The final whistle\nblew, and we would all, the stores would close, and everybody would go home for\nlunch, for dinner. We called it dinner at 12 noon and on Wednesday afternoons,\nall the stores closed. Every, it was closed. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We ladies played bridge and the men\neither rested or golfed or whatever. It was just a closed afternoon. But we\nworked on Saturday, and it was a, that was our busiest day. As I got older and\nrealized that, you know, really our Shabbat was on Saturday, but in small rural\nAmerican towns, all the farmers came to town from the county, so you could\nhardly find a place to park on Saturdays. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People came to buy their goods for the\nnext week or month or whatever, and the groceries were busy. It was interesting\nbecause we all had nicknames. My mother, they call Skeeter, and they call me\nPeanut. It was just all the people who worked in our store had, you know, names\nfor all of us. It was interesting, as I got older and we'd go back, you know,\nand I would walk in our store, some of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"same men were still working there and\nwomen, and they would say, \"Hey Peanut!\" And I would answer because that was\nwhat they call me, you know, as a child.\n\nBERMAN: So, A. S. Harris sold, everything, just a big -\n\nKATZ: Shoes, yes. Not furniture and not giftware, but they sold men's, women's,\nthey sold work clothes, everything that you could wear, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"material because\nsewing was, that was my first job was when I learned how to count, I would stand\nbehind the counter and people would look through the pattern books and then they\nwould give me a number and a size, and I would go to the to the file box and I\nwould pull the pattern for them.\n\nBERMAN: Let's go a little bit back into your own family history for a minute.\nHow many children did Ida ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and A. S. Harris have?\n\nKATZ: They had four children. The first one was born in back in Baltimore. She\nwent back to Baltimore to have Raymond Harris, and Raymond was born June 16th,\n1912. The day he was born, my grandfather gave my grandmother this beautiful pin.\n\nBERMAN: It is beautiful.\n\nKATZ: Pretty.\n\nBERMAN: Yeah. Oh, I'm glad you wore it for the interview.\n\nKATZ: I did.\n\nBERMAN: It makes it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very, very important. And the other children?\n\nKATZ: My mother was born 13 months later, July 6, 1913. My first grandchildren,\nour first grandchildren, child, Andrew Katz, was born on my mother's birthday.\nMy sister's first grandchild, Ethan, was born on our grandmother's birthday,\nOctober 31st, which I thought was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very unusual.\n\nBERMAN: Okay, and then there were two more children.\n\nKATZ: Yes. Marvin Harris was born in March of 1919, and he passed away in\nDecember of 1919. My grandmother was in the store, had him as a baby in the\nstore, and a woman came in with her child who had diphtheria. It was, of course,\nvery contagious. He caught diphtheria and he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"died shortly thereafter. The\nclosest Jewish cemetery was Thomasville, Georgia. So, they buried him there. I\njust didn't know if he had a grave or what it said or whatever, because when my\ngrandparents died, they were buried in Valdosta. It had then had a cemetery and\nit was closer and they had bought a big plot. But I just recently sent you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some\nphotographs of that, it said Hebrew Cemetery. Somebody that I had met at an\nevent said he was going there. This wonderful man, the principal of E. River\nSchool here in Atlanta, David Smith, when he was there, found Marvin Harris's\ngrave and took photographs. It was wonderful to be able to know where he was and\nthat he had a grave and it was marked. It said Marvin Harris, son of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abe and Ida.\n\nBERMAN: That's great.\n\nKATZ: With the dates.\n\nBERMAN: And then the fourth child?\n\nKATZ: The fourth child was Charles Harris, and he was born in 1921.\n\nBERMAN: Did the children, I know that your mother stayed in Ocilla, obviously,\nwhat about the other three?\n\nKATZ: So, Raymond was the first, and he went to Emory University and then to the\nUniversity of Georgia Medical School. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About that time was the war was coming,\nand he went into the army and was an army doctor in Jackson, Mississippi. When\nhe finished that, when the army, when the war was over, he came back to Ocilla\nand my grandparents built a house at the end of their block. Their house was on\none end on Cherry Street and the other end they built a house, and it was a\nduplex. One side was where Uncle Raymond and his wife, Helen Landey ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harris,\nlived with their three children Stanley, Brendan, Joel, and the other side was\nthe doctor's office. Now they had a maid named Blanche, and Blanche could not\nread or write. But Blanche had this very bright daughter and my grandparents saw\nthat in my parents, and they helped her to get a scholarship to nursing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school\nand helped her with going there so that she would come back and be Uncle\nRaymond's nurse, R.N. Not long ago, I had the pleasure of having lunch with her\nat my home. She was here visiting her daughter and Lena Mae Davis was her name,\nand she said, \"I want you to know that I could have never been a nurse if it\nhadn't been for your family.\" And I said, Tell me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why? What, you know, how they\ndid that?\" And she said, \"Well, not only did they help me to get the scholarship\nand whatever, but your mother and father literally picked me up and took me to\nAugusta because I had no way to get there. And your mother gave me all the\nclothes, so I didn't have clothes for school, to go to school.\" And she said,\n\"Y'all were little girls, and you went with this, you and your sister, Devara\n[Felson Goodman].\" And when I went to tell ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them goodbye, I looked in the car.\nHer daughter, by the way, is an OB-GYN in Atlanta, Georgia, now, which I just\nthink is so wonderful in two generations to come from making an X for your name\nto being a doctor is just wonderful, and she attributes so much of that to our\nfamily. She had a tallit in her car, and I said, \"What? What is that?\" And she\nsaid, \"I never go ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anywhere without the tallit. I know it's the Hebrew prayer\nshawl.\" And it's, she takes it with her everywhere.\n\nBERMAN: That's an amazing story.\n\nKATZ: The other story about a young black man that worked in our store, Alphonso\nOwens, he was started working when he was 14, 15, you know, helping in the\nstore, doing minor things. But my grandfather knew he was very bright, and he\nsent him to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college. He later came, he got his Ph.D., he came back, he was the\nprincipal of the black high school in Ocilla or the black school in Ocilla. He's\nnow 93 years old, I believe, and he is still living. When we have seen him\nlately, he'll say, \"Oh, you, you are, y'all are our family. You are my family.\nAnd that what your grandparents,\" he said, \"I called them Miss Ida because\nthat's what ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Harris called her, Miss Ida.\" And he just was so grateful to\nhave that opportunity, you know, from, that we, my family gave him, it's just\nsuch a wonderful feeling to know that our grandparents and parents helped so\nmany people in rural America that would never have had that opportunity.\n\nBERMAN: I want to talk a little bit about the relationship with your family in\nthe black community ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and also about some of your recollections regarding that.\nBut it was interesting to me that you said that your Uncle Raymond hired this\nwoman as his nurse. Did his patients object to having a black woman as their nurse?\n\nKATZ: No. They and we were all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"raised when we had lots of help. We did. We had,\nbut it was not like what people say was in that movie. It was a different\nrelationship. I mean, their, they did live in a section of town that was called\nColored Town, and that's what we referred to it if we would be going there, but\nand they did have special bathrooms in our homes that they used, but they were\nreally ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part of our family. And whenever they were in need, they always knew they\ncould count on our family. There was one that all she did was floors, that's all\nshe cleaned was floors, Lulabelle, and I can remember as a child when she would\ncome to our house to work on the floors we would leave because her body odor was\nso bad, we couldn't stand to be in the house. But she did a miraculous job on\nthe floors and, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, got, that's how she made her money. Another one we\nbought cakes from, Ophelia, and she babysat us. Ophelia was great. And when my\nmother was dying and she said, \"Do you want to know what I'm thinking and\nwhatever?\" And I said, \"I do, I want to know.\" And she said, \"They say your\nwhole life goes before you, before you die.\" She said, \"I can see Aunt Sally.\"\nShe loved Aunt Sally, that was their, one of their maids, Minnie and Aunt Sally.\nShe said, \"I can see Aunt ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sally on my mother's back porch saying, 'Thank the\nLord for the rain.'\" And they were really so close to our family. They all were,\nyou know. So, it was more of a loving relationship and nobody ever, I never\nheard that, I never heard that when they went to Uncle Raymond's office that\nthey didn't want to. They really respected her, and she was good at what she\ndid, and people knew ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.\n\nBERMAN: That's very interesting that you know that they were able to cross,\nbecause I know here, even in Atlanta with the dental clinic, a lot of white\npatients had objected to the to the black dentist. So, I was it was curious to\nme that they didn't have an objection so -\n\nKATZ: No, I'm glad you asked that question because I grew up never really, I\nknew, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that they lived in a certain part of town and it was different,\nbut I never had that feeling of any kind of resentment or hate towards black\npeople. We didn't. We weren't raised that way. They loved our family and the\nChristian, we grew up in a Christian society. I went to the Methodist Church for\nkindergarten. I just knew that when they said certain things and whatever, I\ndidn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"believe that, that I was Jewish. I always knew I was Jewish and out of\nnine grandchildren, and I was one of them, we all married Jewish. All of my\ngrandmother, Abe and Ida Harris's grandchildren, married Jewish, which growing\nup in a rural American town like we did, was pretty unusual because the only\npeople you had to date were non-Jewish people or, you know, associate with.\n\nBERMAN: Did you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ever, in growing up in the town where Jim Crow was a part of\ngrowing up, did your parents, your grandparents, ever talk about the separate\ndrinking fountains or the, have, you know, separate entrance at the movie\ntheater? Was it an issue or issue for them? Or did they ever talk about it?\n\nKATZ: They really didn't talk about it. I knew it was there. I mean, we had one\ntheater, one. We had . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":". and my grandmother owned the building of the, my\ngrandparents owned the building where the beer store was, which we used to laugh\nbecause my grandmother owned the beer store, my friend's grandmother owned the\npool hall. So, you know, just the building. But, you know, the black men would\ngo to the back of the beer store and the white would go in the front. But\ninteresting enough, they all went to the same grocery store and checked out at\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"same grocery lines and bought gasoline at the same gas stations. There was\na, the nurse that they had sent to school ended up marrying a builder. They had\na beautiful home, and they had their kids, raised their children and sent them,\ntraveled with them, educated them. So, you know, I think it just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"took a while\nfor the generations to just sort of catch up. Then finally they integrated the schools.\n\nBERMAN: Do you remember that period very well?\n\nKATZ: When they integrated the schools, well, when they integrated University of\nGeorgia, I was there. I was in the same dorm with Charlayne Hunter.\n\nBERMAN: Can you tell me about that a little bit?\n\nKATZ: It was interesting because the night that they brought her into Myers Hall\nin Athens, I was in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South Myers, and she was staying in Central Myers and then\nthere was North Myers. There were so many news people and so many state patrol\nand police officers on that street, and a lot of the students had gathered in\nthe back, and a lot of it really was initiated by the news media. I mean, they\nwould go up to students, you'd hear them, and they would go up to students and\nsay, you know, \"Raise your wrist,\" or, you know, \"Make a fist,\" or \"I want, I'll\nget you on the front of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the magazines!\" And it was not, that feeling was not,\nnobody really even cared at that point, I don't think, but the media just\ninstigated a lot of that. So, a lot of students had gathered in the back in this\nU-shape, and they started throwing tear gas, the police or state patrol. I\nhappened to be in a little phone booth talking to Jerry Katz, my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then-boyfriend.\nAnd, you know, it really got into my face and nose. I was in this little booth.\nWe didn't have private phones, of course, in our rooms at that time. So, they\ntook me outside because I was getting sick and I saw them take her out of South,\nof Central Myers, Central Myers, and put her in the car to take her away because\nthey were afraid something would happen. Then a few days later, she came back,\nand Hamilton Holmes and they always had escorts, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"police escorts and they\nregistered them for school, and they went to class. At one point, one time I was\nwalking up Stegman stairs and Hamilton Holmes happened to hit me and knock my\nbooks out of my arms. Just I probably wasn't looking, you know, going up the\nsteps, but nobody ever stopped to pick them up, except for me. But it was they\nwere all they were so concentrated on keeping them protected, which they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did.\nThey went to school, they finished school, and after they'd been there a while,\nnobody really paid that much attention to them. You know, it was just a part of life.\n\nBERMAN: Did you and your friends talk about it? Was it part of your -\n\nKATZ: We did.\n\nBERMAN: And what, how did you all feel about it?\n\nKATZ: I think it was mostly that we were afraid. It was scary that something was\ngoing to happen, that it was going to be a riot, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know. We'd heard so many\nthings about people getting hurt and killed and whatever, you know, between the\nblacks and the whites trying to integrate. But it really, that was really, you\nknow, we were more afraid, I think, than anything. Not, we didn't feel\nresentment that they were coming. We just were frightened that people might get\nhurt, black or white.\n\nBERMAN: I want to move back into town, into ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ocilla, back a little bit. You said\nthere were two other Jewish families in the town, so obviously most of your\nfriends were not Jewish.\n\nKATZ: Right.\n\nBERMAN: How is the Jewish community or you as a Jewish person received by your\nfriends? Was there any, ever any problems or any issues between you?\n\nKATZ: Well, we all knew there was the Ku Klux Klan. We knew that, but they\nregarded our family as pillars of the community. My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandfather had really built\nmost of the town. He started the bank. He built a lot of the buildings. He built\nthe community house. They didn't, there was, I never really knew anti-Semitism\nuntil I really went to college. There were two instances that happened. One was\nwhen I was in sixth grade. I had a new teacher that had never been there before\nnamed Mr. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Williford. He made a remark about Jewish people in the class. I came\nhome that day and said to my mother, \"What does that mean?\" I'd never heard that\nbefore. I was in sixth grade, and he'd said something about Jewish merchants in\nand Jew me down or it was some, you know, off, I just thought, \"Oh, my goodness,\nwhat is that?\" Little did he know that the superintendent of schools lived next\ndoor, and I never saw ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him again. My parents went and told him, and he was gone.\nNever a question. Because they respected our family so much, and for him to say\nthat in the classroom was unacceptable. So, I never saw that teacher again. Went\ninto the next day school and had a substitute. And the other instance, is I\nremember a boy in my sister's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"class had made a remark, something about damn Jew,\nbut that was really the only time. And however, we knew that the Ku Klux Klan\nexisted, and they burn crosses, we knew that growing up. But they never really .\n. . this will give you an example. A lady came in the store one day and I was a\nchild and she said, \"Oh, Mrs. Harris, oh,\" to my grandmother, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"You're such a\ngood Christian woman and you're just the best.\" So, I asked my mother, \"Why,\nwe're not Christian, we're Jewish, why does she say that? Why did she, you\nknow?\" She said \"She just meant that your grandmother was a good person. It was\na compliment.\" And so, it was not, you know, this lady had no idea about whether\nwe, what we were, Jewish, she probably didn't even ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know. But I remember that as\na child, \"Why was that lady calling my grandmother good . . .\" We would talk\nfrom the very beginning that we were, you know, Jewish. They didn't have a\nsynagogue where my mother was growing up, but the Jewish people from rural\nGeorgia used to get together on Sundays, and they would have meals and they'd\nhave holiday meals, and they would, you know, so they grew up, my uncle Raymond\nHarris went back to Baltimore when he was 12 to live, go to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school, and study\nand be bar mitzvahed.\n\nBERMAN: So, they met at just somebody's house?\n\nKATZ: Homes. Yes.\n\nBERMAN: Well, when the Fitzgerald synagogue was built, did you go there then for services?\n\nKATZ: 1946 and I was born April 2nd, 1942. So, until I was little, four years\nold, you know, there was no there was no. But my grandfather, Abe Harris and\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elex Kruger and another Jewish man bought the Methodist Church in Fitzgerald and\nconverted it to be the synagogue, which is still there today, the Fitzgerald\nHebrew Congregation. And they were building a bigger Methodist church. It became\navailable, so they bought it. And I mean, it's a wonderful small synagogue. They\nbuilt on to have a social hall and make a kitchen. There was a lady ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that lived\nin Fitzgerald, a Jewish lady named Miss Tatel and Miss Tatel used to cook a lot\nof the holiday meals. We ate all the holiday meals there. They still do. When\npeople go home for the holiday, they have a caterer come in and they have\nservices and then go into the social hall, and everybody eats together because\nthey come from all over. You know, these small towns, you can't go back to\nwherever. I mean, we could go to Ocilla, I guess, to have to eat. But everybody\nate ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"together and in a lot of the Sunday afternoons, they would start at four.\nWe'd have Sunday school for an hour and then the men would play gin rummy and\nthe women would bring covered dish and they would put out a meal for, you know,\nwhen they weren't having catering, it was just Sunday school, and everybody\nbrought cover dish and we ate together on Sundays.\n\nBERMAN: Did you go every Sunday to Sunday school?\n\nKATZ: Mhm.\n\nBERMAN: For how long did you do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that?\n\nKATZ: Um, until we were like, we were confirmed. They didn't have bat mitzvahs\nthen, but all of the boys were bar mitzvahed, my cousins and whatever. I think a\ngirl about two years younger than me was the first bat mitzvah in Fitzgerald.\nBut we went till we were like 13 to 14. Right after we were confirmed, we had confirmation.\n\nBERMAN: The rabbi, Rabbi [Nathan Louis] Kohen. What can you tell me about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him?\nAny memories of him at all?\n\nKATZ: Well, yes, I have lots of memories about Rabbi Nathan Kohen and his wife,\nBe. They were from Pittsburgh. The synagogue, the congregants provided them a\nhouse that was in walking distance of the synagogue. Maybe it was five blocks\naway, wasn't right next door like some of the churches had their ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministries\nright, you know, their rectories right next door, they lived next door the\nchurch. But he would walk, he was there over 25 years, and his wife was the one\nof the Sunday school teachers and the main Sunday school teacher because they\nall knew Hebrew and knew, which we didn't. We didn't know, but they taught us,\nwe memorized. We didn't sit down and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"learn the Hebrew alphabet like they would\nnow, but we memorized a lot of the Hebrew songs and that's, you know, and we\nhad, we would sing them and whatever. A lot of the prayers that we just they\nmemorized, you know, you memorized them.\n\nBERMAN: Was he involved with the children? Was there a camaraderie between the\nrabbi and the children, or was he more aloof?\n\nKATZ: No. I mean, you had to be. It was such a small congregation and such. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You\nknow, he had to teach. He had to, he did a lot of things. He would come to\nOcilla to teach after school, my cousins, the boy's, Hebrew, for their bar\nmitzvah lesson. He would drive down and when they got out of school once a week\nor whatever, they would have their bar mitzvah lesson. The rabbi came, he was\nlike the traveling rabbi, Of course, there was not a cemetery ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Fitzgerald when\nhe first came. So, you know, Valdosta, everybody went to Valdosta, but when\nthey, when somebody died, he would go, and he would be the one that would do the\nfuneral. Then they open the cemetery, and when my father died in 1964, he was\none of the first people that was buried in that Fitzgerald, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish cemetery.\n\nBERMAN: So, you went to Sunday school in Fitzgerald and there were a few more\nJewish children there, but I'm assuming as you got older, for you and your\nsister, you wanted a date. Was it an issue for your parents that there were no\nJewish boys for you to date in Ocilla?\n\nKATZ: You know, they just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always, we always knew that we would marry somebody\nJewish. It was not a question of, and my sisters didn't date as much as I did,\nbut she didn't have as many children in her age group as I did. She was born in\n1940, and you know, it was right, I was born in 1942 and it was just I had so\nmany more even girlfriends than she did in this small little town. So, we all\ndated, but we had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more of . . . there was a place in between Ocilla and\nFitzgerald, halfway in between called Lake Beatrice, and it had swimming pools,\nand it had a big rec center that had bowling and it had a dance floor. So mainly\npeople met at this Lake B. And that's how we socialized. Or you went to the\nDairy Queen. There was only a few places to go, you know, it was not, it wasn't\nlike when we would come to Atlanta. We ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were lucky, my friends from Atlanta\nthought I was just so lucky because our parents took us on weekends, I'd go\ncheerlead at a ballgame and they would put us in the car, either afterwards the\ngame or the next day, and we'd go to Atlanta or Savannah or Jacksonville or\nsomewhere where we could be with Jewish people as we got older because they knew\nthat was important. We would date in college. We would go out with college kids\nwhen we were 15, 16, which normally parents would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not let their children date a\ncollege student. But because we were from the country, you know, that was\nimportant to be around that Jewish association. We'd go to Emory to Dooley's or\nto Georgia Tech to something because they knew that was how we met our . . . and\nthey sent us to camp, we went to Blue Star when I started when I was 12.\n\nBERMAN: That was my next question if you went to Jewish camp. So, you did go to\nBlue Star?\n\nKATZ: Every summer until I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was, when I graduated high school, I was not going to\ncamp. My sister was going to Harvard Summer School. She was already at the\nUniversity of Georgia. So, I went to Emory Summer School, so I would be in the\ncity and around Jewish people. I always knew that was so important that it was\neasy, it would be easier, and I think my parents did a good job in getting this\nthrough, that it would be so much easier to marry somebody who thought like you\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did and who was Jewish versus somebody that wasn't. I saw the difference. I went\nto sunbeams at the Baptist Church, I went to, they went with me, and I went with\nthem. I saw, you know, what, how they prayed, and they saw how I prayed. It was,\nI respected what they did, and they respected what I did. So, I didn't see that\nit was a huge difference as far as how we thought. We all went to our own\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religious studies, but I was not going to be one that . . . when they sang Jesus\nLoves Me, we didn't say Jesus, we would sing the song, but we never said the\nword. And I don't know what that was either, but I guess, like my parents said,\n\"You don't have to say the word,\" so you don't say it. So, we didn't. Any of\nthose songs, we just left out the word. Isn't that amazing?\n\nBERMAN: That's great. You mentioned that most of the holidays, I'm assuming,\nlike ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some of the where you had to travel and you were at services, you had the\nmeal in at the synagogue. What about Shabbat or Passover? Were those in the home?\n\nKATZ: We did, we had a community Passover seder that we went to Fitzgerald and\nthe rabbi conducted it and everybody came. Then, you know, for Rosh Hashanah and\nYom Kippur, we had those meals there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were other meals in our house that\nwe did on holidays. And my grandmother was such a spectacular cook. I mean, for\nmany years, it was interesting because when she had a wood stove and when she\ngot her electric stove, she wouldn't get rid of the wood stove for a long time.\nShe kept it. I remember that wood stove. She would keep it just in case\nsomething didn't cook right on this new fancy electric stove. But we had, she\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had lots and lots of big meals in that house. Lots.\n\nBERMAN: Did she have any specific recipes, Jewish recipes that you remember?\n\nKATZ: Yes. One of them actually won a contest in Atlanta magazine not long ago,\na few years back, that they were having this contest about family recipes. Her\nsweet and sour meatball recipe, I sent it in, and it won one of the prizes. I\nwas so excited. Yes, grandma, because she was, and after my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children were born,\nwe started calling her Mama Harris instead of grandma. But you know, I've got\nher recipes, I have in her handwriting, they're all in a book, and, you know,\nthey used to put them in. Also, a lot of those old like Jell-O books and\nwhatever. Sometimes I just sit down and look at them because her writing was\nvery unique, and I like to just see.\n\nBERMAN: Did she . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"coming from Baltimore and then moving south, did she also\nlearn from the help that you had in the house, some good old southern recipes?\n\nKATZ: She did, and she also taught them how to make fricassee and sweet and sour\ncabbage and beet borscht, and a lot of those recipes she taught the help, the\nmaids had to do it. We used to have fabulous meals. They knew how to make all of\nthose things. It was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so great to be able to . . . but she was always in the\nkitchen, and I was her taster. She would call me up and I would walk those two\nblocks over because she'd say, \"I'm making sweet and sour, come taste.\" I would\ngo over and taste and tell her whether it was too sweet or too sour. She just\nloved it. Even as a child, she would call me, and I would go do that. All my\nlife, Sandy, all my life, every week, my grandmother gave me and my sister a\ndollar a week. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She gave each grandchild a dollar a week. I saved every bit of\nthat. Went to the bank myself, had my little bank book and put my dollar in\nevery week. That was how we were taught to save.\n\nBERMAN: That's wonderful, and I love the back and forth of the recipes. That's a\ngreat story, you know, that they, your grandmother learned southern cooking.\n\nKATZ: She did.\n\nBERMAN: And the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"help learned Jewish cooking.\n\nKATZ: They did. We used to, when my mother would bake a whole red snapper and\nthey would bake the whole thing, and they had this certain recipe with\nvegetables that they baked in the oven. My job was they would cut the head off\nand I would walk it up to grandma's because she liked the head because the fish\nbehind the gills were supposed to be like the delicacy. They used to wrap it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up\nand I would walk it over and had to cross a main highway. We started crossing\nthe main highway pretty young, just like we started driving pretty young, like\nwhen I was 13, I was driving everywhere. They taught us how to drive and we\ndidn't have a license, but we could drive. Somehow, we drove. I don't know why.\n\nBERMAN: I want to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"move out of Ocilla a little bit and get into, you said you met\nyour future husband at the University of Georgia.\n\nKATZ: First week I was there.\n\nBERMAN: Love at first sight?\n\nKATZ: Love at first sight. [I] came in that night and said to my roommate,\n\"That's who I'm going to marry.\" And she said, \"You are crazy.\" But I knew. I\nsaw him. I knew. That was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it.\n\nBERMAN: Were you in a Jewish sorority at Georgia?\n\nKATZ : DPhiE [Delta Phi Epsilon]. My mother was a charter member of the DPhiE\nchapter at Georgia. So, my sister was already a member and president I think at\nthe time when I came, she's 25 months older than I am. So, it was really, you\nknow, there was no doubt we were going to be DPhiE's. My mother, when I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was\nabout maybe 12 or 13, her friend of hers from the University of Georgia, named\nEvelyn Sellers, was then the Dean of Women at the University of Florida and\ncalled mother and said, \"They're trying to start a DPhiE chapter at the\nUniversity of Florida in Gainesville.\" Mama put us in the car, and we drove to\nGainesville. She talked to all the girls about DPhiE and whatever. That's when\nthey started that chapter. It was in the Fifties, and that chapter for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DPhiE is\nstill there. I think it's one of the few that's still, I think, just mainly\nJewish girls.\n\nBERMAN: Was there ever a thought of joining a non-Jewish sorority?\n\nKATZ: Never. It was just, you know, going to be DPhiE like my mama. And however,\nwhen I met Jerry Katz that first week, we had a date the entire, every night we\nwent out. At that time, you had to sign in and out. You couldn't just go. You\nhad ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"curfews at the University of Georgia. So, I would sign out every night and\nwe go out. And then, so September we met. We actually decided to, we were young,\nwe were so young, we didn't know if our parents would say we could get married,\nbut we wanted to. He was playing basketball for the University of Georgia at the\ntime as a holdout, and he came out of practice one day and said, \"Do you want to\nget married?\" And I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Okay.\" We went to Abbeville, South Carolina, and we\nfound the Justice of the Peace. He said, \"Well, you have to come back the next\nday.\" We thought you didn't have to wait. So, we drove all the way back to\nAthens, and then I found out that my sister's best friend from Ocilla had\ngotten, had eloped. And you got, she got expelled from school. I was like, \"Oh\nmy God, I can never tell anybody.\" Because if you had to get permission at that\ntime ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to get married. We drove back to Abbeville and the next day, and a blind\nJustice of the Peace married us, and his name happened to be Judge Irwin. Well,\nthat was the county I grew up in, so I figured, well, that must have been a\nsign. We came back to Athens. We wrote our parents letters asking, \"Could we get\nengaged?\" And they both said yes. So, we never told anybody for 25 years that we\ngot married. We had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a . . . we got engaged, we got married March 5th, we got\nengaged March 21st. And then we had a wedding in Fitzgerald at the Elks Home on\nJune 11th of 1961.\n\nBERMAN: Let's hold that thought for a minute. I know these tapes are only forty\nsome minutes, so I wanted to finish -.\n\nUNKNOWN: It's 60 minutes.\n\nBERMAN: Oh, they were only four. Okay, I wanted to make sure.\n\nUNKNOWN: Yeah, about, let's do ten more minutes and then switch tapes.\n\nBERMAN: Okay. Okay, great. Didn't want to miss any of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this. So, you met Jerry\nthe first week of college. What was your major? What did you decide to go into?\n\nKATZ: Well, at that point I was just going to do a BBA [Bachelor of Business\nAdministration], you know, I had no idea what I, I mean, you know, in that era,\nyour main goal was to get married and have kids. I mean, it was not a career\ndriven . . . if somebody had told me then what I was going to do later, I\nprobably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would have thought they were out of their mind.\n\nBERMAN: Well, I guess what I'm leading up to is, how did you get into your\nmodeling career?\n\nKATZ: Well, we got married in June and in October, I was going -\n\nBERMAN: What year was that?\n\nKATZ: 1961 and in October we were both in school, and that was the deal. We\ncould, you know, we would both go to school. I wasn't feeling good. I went to\nthe eye, ear, nose, and throat doctor and I said, \"Oh, Dr. Dubose, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've got to\nget rid of this bug. I'm getting so far behind in school.\" Well, pregnant, of\ncourse. So, we had our first child, Stephen Katz was born in Athens General and\nwas really meant to be. Sometimes you just know things are meant to be. My\nfather had, Robert Felson, had never had a son. He only had the two girls. He\nloved that grandson so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much. He died a little over two years after Steven was\nborn. So, I always thought it was just meant to be that I got pregnant. So, we,\nyou know, we figured if we would bat five hundred, which we did, and he finished\nschool and I didn't. When we moved back to Atlanta, we moved into an apartment,\nand we started looking to buy a house because I've been going to the bank once a\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"week all those years with my dollar and had a nice little nice savings account.\nWe started looking for a house and we found one that was going to be built. So,\nwe purchased the house, and I was a stay-at-home mother for a couple of years\ntill I think Steven was about almost five and then we have another child shortly\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after my father died, Robin. People used to say, \"Do you model?\" when I'd be out\nat different things. I thought, \"Well, no, I don't.\" But I had a friend who kept\nsaying, \"You got to go to Rich's. You got to go down Rich's. You got to go.\" You\nknow, whatever. So finally, I thought, \"I got to shut her up and let me go, let\nme go down there.\" I walked in the office and there was an elderly lady sitting\nthere, older lady, at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"least. She said, \"Fill out this card,\" and I did. I didn't\neven know to take a photograph, but I had always been on stage. I had been a\nmajorette. I'd been a cheerleader. I had always been in plays. I had my own\ndrill team when I was 13. I had gone to FSU [Florida State University] that\nsummer and learned how to organize a drill team at FSU. They had a music summer\ncamp. So, it wasn't like I had not performed. I knew how to perform. I thought,\n\"How she going to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember me?\" She said, \"Oh, we'll remember.\" Well, we left,\nand I thought, \"Well, that my friend, it'll satisfy her.\" And, you know, I'm\nsure I'm never going to hear from them. About two weeks later, Rich's at Lenox\nSquare because it was only that was 1966, it was only Rich's downtown in Lenox.\nThey called and said, \"Frank Olive the hat designer is coming in town, and we'd\nlike for you to do the show.\" [I] said, \"Okay.\" I figured, well, I'll try ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. So\nI went, and he was just so nice, and he liked me and whatever. The next day I\ngot a call from Sol Kent's assistant, a lady that was named Eddie Johnson. She\nwas really my mentor. She called me and said, \"Come down. I heard about you. I\nwant to talk to you.\" I went downtown and she said, \"I want to try on some\nclothes.\" She said, \"You have a great body. You have, you're like this coat\nhanger, you're any size!\" Try on a four, it fit. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had broad shoulders and it\nwas like I was just, you know, didn't know what was going on. She sat me down\nand she said, \"Here are all the things you need to do. You have to get a bag.\nYou have to get a calendar book. You have to get an elastic to go around your\nwaist. You have to have a pair of black [panty]hose, a pair of white, nude\n[panty]hoes. You have to have a black half-slip and a white half-slip.\" She told\nme everything to get. Then she gave me about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"eight or 10 bookings. The first\nmajor booking that I had was the Temple Donor Fashion Show at the Standard Club.\nI went there, and they had long tables set up and they had mirrors and they had\nwhere they had all your clothes written on a chart. I thought, \"Okay . . .\" I\nlooked at this lady and I looked at that lady, and I thought, \"If they can do it\nI can.\" I read my clothes and what accessories I had to put in, and they had\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dressers. I heard music and that's all I needed because I had, I mean, when I\nwas a child and the major, the drum man didn't show up, I played the drum for\nthe band in Ocilla being with the, you know, because I knew how to keep rhythm.\nI figured, \"Okay, I'll just try it.\" And once my photograph got in the paper,\nthey used to put our names, and back then it was like three Katz's in the phone\nbook, you know, it was hardly any. And I would get a phone ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"call from J. P.\nAllens, \"Oh, hi, I saw your picture in the paper and could you come do my show?\"\nI was just, it just built and built. Of course, the mall started getting built\nand new stores, so I was one of the opening models for Saks Fifth Avenue in 1968\nat Phipps Plaza and of Neiman Marcus a couple of years later and all the mall\nstores. There were no malls then. So, then perimeter opened in South DeKalb and\nNorth DeKalb and all these stores, it was like my business ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grew every single\nyear. So, I decided that I would do it as long as I was working a lot. But I saw\nladies get older and get phased out, and then they had nothing. So, I thought,\n\"Okay, well, the year I make the most money is the year I will quit.\" When in\n1983 I had such an incredible first part of the year, and I went to the\nRitz-Carlton Buckhead to plan my son's rehearsal dinner, he was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"engaged and the\nlady said, \"What do you do?\" I knew how to plan a party. If you didn't cook it\nor bake it in Ocilla, you didn't have it. My parents and grandparents had always\nentertained, so I said, I told her I was getting ready to retire and I would be\nmore than happy to . . . she said, \"Are you interested in hotel?\" I said, \"I\nguess, sure.\" She said, \"Well, call me, we'll have lunch.\" So, she was really\nsmart. She knew I had been wearing all those ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"clothes that all the socialites had\nbeen buying for the charity events, and I knew them all. So, she said, \"If you\nteach me Atlanta, I'll teach you hotel.\" She said, \"You already know food. So,\nI'll teach you.\" So, I was already 41 years old, and I had been on the runway\nwith my daughter, who was young, and I thought, \"We're dressed just alike, it's\ntime to retire.\" So, I did. My last fashion out ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Rich's was September of 1983.\n\nBERMAN: Can you tell me a little bit about fashionata or what it was like -\n\nUNKNOWN: Sandy, we should -\n\nBERMAN: Oh, we should stop. Okay, change the tape.\n\nKATZ: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: We're back, we had a change tape, so there was a little break. You were\ntelling me about fashionata and explain what fashionata really was.\n\nKATZ: Fashionata was the largest fashion show ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the city for many years. It was\na production. It was really more than a fashion show. It was almost like a\nBroadway production or play, and Sol Kent wrote and produced and directed the\nwhole thing. I mean, he would actually select the music and write all the\ncommentary. I mean, I just remember some of his most wonderful phrases, you\nknow, \"Here's to the ladies who lunch.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would be a whole scene of things that\nyou would wear to a luncheon or people dressed up in the first part of that era.\nYou know, if you went on an airplane or you went to lunch, you dressed up. They\nwould have a, they had it in hotels at the beginning and it would be a lunch\nshow and then a dinner show when the men would come at dinner with their wives.\nPeople paid to come, and they gave the money to charity. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They made enough to\ncover their cost and then, you know, give to charity. It was a nice show like an\nhour long. I mean, it was, you wore six, seven outfits in this show and they\nwould have sometimes 20 something girls in it. I mean, it was big. Different\nscenes were different, some were, I remember doing the polka one time with, you\nknow, in the outfits that I had were reminiscent of whatever the polka was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or,\nyou know, an outdoor scene where you did jeans and fur coats and fur leather\njackets. So, this show progressed, it went from the Dinkler Plaza Hotel to the\nnew Marriott Hotel. The second year I believe I did it there was people\npicketing because there were no black models in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"show. I can remember that\nthey were afraid for us, and they would, we had to go to a certain point and\nthen they would bring us in in a back doorway so that nobody would see the\nmodels coming in and out. And of course, then the next year, it was integrated.\nSo . . .\n\nBERMAN: And this was all sponsored by Rich's.\n\nKATZ: Rich's Department Store, and yes, and Sol Kent was the Director of\nFashion. And he, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, I always said from like 1966 to 1983, I played dress\nup in the most beautiful, wonderful clothes. I met every major designer. I met\nBill Blass. I met Perry Ellis the first time he ever came to Atlanta, Georgia,\nyoung kid. Halston, Ralph Lauren, Pauline Trigère, Narelle, Chester Weinberg. I\nmean, some of the great couturiers, you know, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was just a most\nunbelievable career. I loved every second of it. It was great.\n\nBERMAN: Do you know whose idea at Rich's it was to do this and give this money\nto charity?\n\nKATZ: I don't, but I think that probably Sol Kent had a lot to do with it, that\nhe wanted to do a major fashion show once a year. He also added one for the\nLovett School, and we did that in February every year in their gymnasium. Rich's\ncame ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out and they hired a company that built the runways. At that time, Rich's\nhad its own in-house advertising, it had its own in-house, I mean, there were\nguys that did the runway that built it and built the sets and everything because\nit was such a huge thing. Fashion back then was so different than it is now.\nOnce a year, we did what they call Springtime in the downtown store, and we\nwould do like six fashion shows a day in each department. It would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go from one\ndepartment to another department, each one different from and they had a couture\ndepartment. So, you did the fine clothes, and you did Juniors, and you did, you\nknow, sportswear. So, they had so many more things besides the Magnolia Room. We\nhad Magnolia Room tea, we went and did lunch in the Magnolia Room and did the\nluncheon shows where you got up and it was informal. Then they did Tea Party on\nTuesday afternoons and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saturday afternoons, and they bused in all these women\nfrom out and men, but mostly women, from all the small towns around Atlanta.\nRich's paid for that. They paid a fee, I think to ride the bus, but it was\nnominal and then they gave them this tea party on Tuesday afternoons and on\nSaturday afternoons. We would do a commentated show real quick. They give them a\ntea party play and then they get back on the bus and they go home. They shopped\nall ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"day. Then on Wednesday afternoons downtown at the store, we did boxed lunch\nwith the working women would come and sit in a chair with their boxed lunch and\neat a box lunch, and we do a fashion show for them to show them what was new and\nwhat was up. Every Wednesday afternoon at lunch.\n\nBERMAN: Having spent so much time at Rich's with your modeling career, what do\nyou, how would you describe what Rich's meant to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the city of Atlanta and to\nreally the shopper, the shopping life of Atlanta?\n\nKATZ: Do you know, as young as I was growing up and we had a department store at\nhome, but we bought our fine clothes, our better clothes at Rich's. I even\nremember the lady that waited on us. Her name was Mrs. Skinner. She would call\nOcilla and say, \"Oh, I got in, you know, such and such dresses for the girls.\"\nWhen we came to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta, we go and see Mrs. Skinner and just, you know, try on\nand buy and buy our dress up clothes for the holidays or special occasions.\nRich's was more than just a department store because it had the home store and\nit had, and the other thing that I think everybody just loved about Rich's is\nthat you can return anything anytime. If it didn't last or it tore up or you\ndecided you didn't want, no questions asked, walked ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in and you could return it.\nSome of the things that I remember is Dick [Richard] Rich, you know, walking\naround the store, always pleasant, always such a nice gentleman, and so, he\nactually reminded me of what my grandfather was. They were always dressed\nimpeccably and so gentle in their way they spoke to their customers and their\nemployees. He would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"see something on the floor, he'd bend down and pick it up.\nBut he was always kind and courteous and was always in the store walking around.\nYou know, it was amazing to see him.\n\nBERMAN: Today, shoppers, do you think that they that that they've lost some of that?\n\nKATZ: They have no idea that there were a group of women who went to Rich's, and\nI can remember when Lenox was had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their Regency Room where the couture clothes\nwere, and Sol dressed them. He actually, every single outfit. When he would go\nto Paris or when he would go to New York, he picked out specifics for certain\nladies that he knew would look good on them. He was that talented in not only\nputting a fashion show on but dressing them. He was their dresser, and he did a\nmagnificent job. I mean, they look like they stepped out of a magazine, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they\nknew they could depend on him to do that. It was amazing. I used to try on a lot\nof the clothes, and they would say, you know, when we'd have trunk shows and I\nwould, he'd say, maybe it wasn't their size or whatever and we'd show it and\nthey'd say, \"Yeah, we like that one, and we know we don't like that one.\" It was\na whole different thing. It was specialized and dedicated. It was personalized.\nThey called him by his first name. He was so, you know, if he got something in\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or something came in that he thought was just right for them, they came\nimmediately and bought it.\n\nBERMAN: When did that era end?\n\nKATZ: I think probably when he retired. The last show, the last fashionata I did\nwas 1983. It was starting to change. So mid 1980s it started to be, and you\nknow, when Rich's was sold, it was more bottom line and it was more\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commercialized. [You] used to be able to just, you would go there and oh, they\nmade the most beautiful packages, everything was wrapped so beautifully. Even\nwhatever you bought, it didn't matter what it was, small, big, but they always\npackaged, you know, so nice. So, you knew that when you went there, it was\nspecial to buy from Rich's.\n\nBERMAN: I want to move away from Rich's in Atlanta and go back to Ocilla because\nthere were a few ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things I wanted to touch upon. Did you ever regret growing up\nin a small town?\n\nKATZ: Never. We loved it. We loved Ocilla. We loved that camaraderie with all\nour friends. It was such a different. I don't think I could live in a small town\nlike that now because it's just so different when we go home. It's sad that the\nsmall towns have just dwindled and they're almost, you know, you have a hard\ntime even having, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"filling a building with a business. They all go to the\nWalmart's, and they go to the large, they get in their car and they drive from\nOcilla to Macon to shop or to Atlanta to shop. So, it's real hard to have a\nthriving business in a small town like we did, like we had. When my mother came\nback after she graduated University of Georgia, she started teaching sixth ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grade\nin Ocilla. She went to Tifton to a bar mitzvah, Buddy Corish bar mitzvah. When\npeople used to travel through these little towns, if they happen to be there\nwhen it was an event, they invited them. So, my father had grown up mostly in\nJacksonville, Florida. He'd been born in and lived in Bristol, Rhode Island, but\nhis father had TB [tuberculosis] and they moved to Florida for the climate. He\nwas ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"traveling for the Wilson Brothers selling piping or something that they had.\nThey knew he was Jewish, and they invited him to the bar mitzvah. And he met my\nmother. When they got married, a few weeks before they got married, the Wilson,\nSam and Lou Wilson were in their wedding, but they fired him. He didn't have a\njob. My grandfather said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Oh, I'm so happy because we wanted y'all to live in\nOcilla anyway.\" So, he, my father, moved. He was living in Gainesville, Florida,\nand they already had an apartment there and everything to move. They moved into\nthis little house in Ocilla, and he started working in the store with my\ngrandfather. So that was 1938, and then a few years went by, and the war and\nwhatever, and in 1946, my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father, my grandfather loaned him the money and he\nowned the store next door, right next door that my grandfather had built to\nattached to the store. It was furniture and gifts and records and jewelry and\nwhatever you could sell. I mean, the other things that the department store\ndidn't have. So, and it was called Felson's. So that was for many years until I\nclosed the store ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when my mother was sick in like 1981, I closed that store. But\nthose were, you know, that's how we lived, and we loved it and we enjoyed, we\nworked. I worked from the time I could see over the counter, I did. I mean if I\ncould wrap a package, then that's what I did, whatever it was. They paid us and\nwe worked. We all worked, the whole family and loved it, didn't know it was any\ndifferent ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than that.\n\nBERMAN: That was my going to be my next question about Felson's because I know I\nhave all those papers and records from Felson's as well. Was there a particular\ncustomer that you recall that just always came in or a funny anecdote that\nhappened at the store that you'd like to?\n\nKATZ: Yes, Miss Otto Greiner. She was a lady ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who her husband was the banker, and\nshe collected Royal Doulton figurines, and every time my father went to a gift\nshow, my mother and father, and we went with them. We went to the old auditorium\nhere in Atlanta on Edgewood Avenue or wherever that was. They used to set up\ntemporary gift shows, and he would always pick out some Royal Doulton figurines\nthat she didn't have. 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There was this Miss ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Flanders,\nand she drove an old two door coupe black Ford. When you saw Miss Flanders\ncoming, you ran because she would go up on the sidewalk. She'd be back in the\ncars. I mean, she was just, she was just this unbelievable driver. I mean, it\nwas just a little town. I had two red lights. But when you saw Miss JJ Flanders\ncame in, you got out of the way, whether you were in your car or whether you\nwere walking because you just had, you just knew. So, there was also a train\ntrack ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Ocilla that went to nowhere. It just came and it ended right behind my\ngrandmother and granddaddy's house, and then it went back the other way. It\nnever went anywhere. It just ended. The train tracks came through the middle of\ntown, but they didn't go anywhere. They just turn around and went, I mean, just\nwent back the other way to wherever it came from. If we went to catch a train,\nyou had to go to either Fitzgerald or Nahunta, Georgia. We used to go to\nNahunta, and it had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Nancy Hanks. We would get on in the afternoon like four\nand five in the afternoon and have a double bedroom, and my grandmother, my\nmother and my sister and I and go to Baltimore. We'd spend the night, get up,\nhave breakfast and then they would meet us in Baltimore at the train station\nbecause there really were no planes, you know, that people didn't fly. Plus, it\nwas, you know, in an automobile, it used to take us like hours and hours to come\nto ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta. Well, I can remember that, you know, the two-lane roads and if it\nwas traffic or bad weather or whatever. I mean, for a 200-mile trip, sometimes\nit would take you six or seven hours to get here. But we always stopped at the\nNew Perry Hotel in Perry, Georgia, because they had the best fried chicken and\nhomemade yeast rolls ever. So, we made it where we would get in the car and we\nwould make it so we got there right at lunchtime on our way to Atlanta so we\ncould ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stop at the New Perry Hotel, which is still there, by the way. I don't\nknow if they still have that good food, but that was sort of a ritual.\n\nBERMAN: If you were to describe yourself, if someone asked you to describe\nyourself, would you describe yourself first as Southern? What adjectives would\nyou use in importance? Southern? Jewish? I guess those are the two I'm really\ninterested ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in. Do you consider yourself more of a Southern girl, a Jewish girl?\n\nKATZ: Probably more southern. Yes. And you know, I probably, I have a lot, my\nuncle used to say, \"I'm just a Southern Jewish country merchant.\" And we were\nfrom the country, you know, we grew up in the country and we're proud of it. It\nwas never, you know, people, I can remember Pearl Ann Horowitz, Pearl Ann Golden\nthen, coming to Ocilla. She was my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friend at camp and is still my friend. She\nsaid, she just couldn't believe that she didn't even, the bus station, they just\nstopped the bus. You know, if she hadn't seen me standing there, she wouldn't\nknow where to get off. People couldn't believe we grew, we lived like that. We\nlived in this little town. Everybody knew when I first got married to Jerry. He\nsaid, \"Okay, I'm just going to walk down the street and say, 'Howdy,' because\neverybody knows who I am.\" And they did. We ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew everybody. You knew everybody's\nbusiness. You knew what everything was going on. But you also had that, I mean,\nthere were women when I was a child that would say, \"I'll never squeeze another\nlemon. Because when your mama got married, they had a thousand people in the\nmiddle of the yard at your grandma's house in August,\" August the 14th in 1938 -\nhot! South Georgia - hot! They had to get married in the high school auditorium\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they had people outside, couldn't get them all in there. The letters that I\nfound said, \"Oh, a small June wedding would be lovely.\" Well, it ended up, I\ndon't know how, but August with a thousand people. They squeezed so many lemons\nthey said, \"We'll never squeeze another lemon!\" So, you know, it was just a\nunique situation to grow up with people who, you know, good or bad things, they\nsupported you so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"heavily. When I was four years old, my mother was in Baltimore,\nshe'd been having some kidney problems and she was at Johns Hopkins. Devara and\nI were staying with my grandparents, and he wasn't feeling good. We used to\nsleep in a sleeping porch with them, with windows all the way around. They used\nto build on sleeping porches. They actually built down to this house like 10\ntimes. 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When they\nmoved the sofa in the living room and put the casket with my grandfather, that's\nthe first thing I remember about, you know, there he was, granddaddy was in the\ncasket in the living room, but they lit the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"candle and a man sat there all night\nand spent the night in the house. When my uncle passed away a couple of years\nlater, he was the doctor, he was only 36 years old, he had colon cancer and\ndiagnosed his own case, had three little children and left a 31-year-old wife\nwith those three children in Ocilla. And same thing, move the sofa and put the\ncasket in the house. I never ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew that that was anything different until I got\nolder that people really don't do that. I just thought, okay, you know, that's\nwhat you do.\n\nBERMAN: Why do you think for Southerners and for Jewish Southerners, as well as\nall Southerners, that region is so important?\n\nKATZ: You know, we had such a pride in where we lived and in our family and in\nour relatives and our friends ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I think that's probably the reason is just\nthat you were so proud. All my life, I heard how what an honor it was and how we\nneeded to cherish growing up in America, because even though my grandmother was\nborn in Baltimore and my first grandchild was the seventh, first of the seventh\ngeneration of the Bank family in America, which is a lot for Jewish ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people, but\nmy grandfather, you know, I think that he was already old enough that, and they\nknew what of hard time they had in a socialist country like Russia and how he\nwas always so proud to be an American. I heard that even as I got older, my\nuncle was a Marine and the other one was in the Army and it was always, you\nknow, God bless America. So, where we grew up and it was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"special, it was really special.\n\nBERMAN: You mentioned earlier that going back to Ocilla today is sometimes hard\nbecause the town is so changed. What is it like today?\n\nKATZ: There are no Jewish people in Ocilla at all. My aunt passed away last\nyear, Esther Stein Harris. 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It all that just changed ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so drastically. It was a whole\ndifferent world. When we grew up, it was rural America, and agricultural was\njust what people did, and therefore the town thrived because the farmers were\nmaking money. But a lot of that just changed, and it's sad to see stores boarded\nup. Then the big stores came, like nine miles away there's a Walmart. Well, they\ncan go to Walmart and get ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everything. So why should they, you know, shop in\nOcilla because they can go there, one shop stop, you know, and whatever. The\nhardware stores, you know, just they couldn't make it because it costs them so\nmuch more overhead to run and everything when Walmart was buying everything so\ncheap. So, a lot of that happened, and there's still a few people who still . .\n. but that congregation, I don't know how much longer it can last, which is\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really sad because you don't want to have the end of an era. But in actuality,\nit really is the end of an era down there of what used to be Jewish life. It's\nnot going to be that way much longer because the older people are not going to\nbe there and there's no support. We all chipped in. Everybody that had people\nburied or owned plots in Fitzgerald a few years back, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and everybody gave money\nand gave it to the Federation so that they would have an ongoing upkeep of the\ncemeteries. Because that's a thought, you have to think about it. Who's going to\ndo the upkeep on that cemetery if there's no congregants? So hopefully that will\nbe run and kept up, you know, forever. But who knows? I mean, you know, but my\nparents are there so, and my grandparents ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are in Valdosta. So, it's sort of sad\nthat everybody sort of spread out, you know, and that the town dwindled and\nthere's, those people don't even know what Jewish people are now, those rural\nAmericans, those Southerners, they really don't know what being Jewish is about.\nThat's really sad to me.\n\nBERMAN: Do you think there's any hope for any kind of resurrection of not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish\nlife so much, but small-town life in this, in not just the South, but throughout\nthe country?\n\nKATZ: I would love to think so. But at this point, what I've seen in all the\nlittle towns, Hawkinsville and Abbeville and you know, the ones, the only ones\nthat I've seen that have really progressed were like Tifton and Cordele because\nthey were on the interstate. If the interstate missed you, then you just dwindle\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down to nothing, you know, or unless you're on the coast like Savannah. But\nthose other in-betweens, the children grow up and there's nothing, no business\nfor them to be there. I mean, once in a while, you have somebody that'll become\nan attorney and go back because they need a doctor, they need a lawyer, they\nneed a dentist. But it's even hard for them when you have a small town of\n2,000-2,500 people to support the doctor. You know, the hospital has a really\nhard time ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"supporting itself, and it's a county hospital. It's called Irwin\nCounty Hospital, so it tries to get revenue, but it's difficult. Then Tifton has\na fairly nice medical center. Even some of the doctors from Atlanta, they do,\nwell now with the technology and you know, they can do a cardiogram and send it\nright to Atlanta. But you know, the little towns are just, I don't see that. I\ndon't see them. I see ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them dwindling more and more versus growing.\n\nBERMAN: Which is why memories like yours are so important to the Museum and for\nfuture generations. I'd like to conclude by just asking you to think a minute\nand tell me, if you can, what your fondest memories of growing up in a small\ntown, growing up in Ocilla.\n\nKATZ: I would have to say that, I mean, there's a lot of good memories, but I\nloved ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to my grandma's house. I love when I picked up pecans and she paid\nus five cents a pound and we thought we were working. We were little children,\nyou know, little. I love playing dress up. I mean, you know, they would give us\nthe scarves in the fur muffs and the hats and the high heel shoes. We played\ndress up in our house with our friends. I guess that carried through because\nwhen I became a fashion model, my sister said, \"You always did like to play\ndress up,\" and I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did. I think some of the other things was we would go to like\nthe primitive Baptist homecoming or foot washing, who never have a chance, a\nJewish person to go to a foot washing. But I remember that and much my children\ndon't know that. My children, fortunately, had the luck to go visit my mother a\nlot, and, you know, until she died. But my grandchildren don't have a clue ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about\nwhat that would be about, you know? We had such wonderful food. I mean, it was\nbig meals all the time, every day, you know, and it was salads and fried chicken\nand the homemade biscuits and rolls and desserts and that smell. I woke up every\nmorning at seven o'clock, seven and 7:30 in the morning. I smell dinner cooking.\nThat's what I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"smelled, that's when I woke up to. Is it going to be spaghetti?\nOr, you know, what is it going to be? Because I, you know, I smelled it. When I\nwas small and with dirt roads and, you know, the dust from that when the cars\nwould go by, and then finally, they paved some of the roads. It was like heaven.\nIt was wonderful. But we had pear trees and we had all kind of plums. We should\ngo out on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"highway or on the country roads and pick plums and bring them\nback, and grandma would make plum sauce or pear preserves. I just don't have\nthat anymore. I don't see it. It's like a lost art that this is what they used\nto do. Or driving around! What we used to just drive around in the afternoon\njust on a, if you wanted something to do, you drove around and people would be\non their porches, rocking in the rocking chair, shelling peas. It was a\ndifferent life. It ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was an easy, laid back, you know, calm, you know, traffic.\nWhat was traffic? We never had traffic. It was, you know, two red lights. The\ncamaraderie I think in a small town was so wonderful, you know, and I still keep\nup with a lot of my Ocilla friends. A lot of them live in Atlanta, and we had a\nfew that went on to be, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, one played baseball for the Cleveland Browns\nor Indians or whatever they were. We had a few that went on to do some really\nwonderful things. But like I said, you know, the President of the Confederacy\nwas captured in my county. So, my house was across the street from the\ncourthouse and all the Easter egg hunts we went to that they had at the\ncourthouse and climbing on the Jefferson Davis statue. We loved it. We played\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there all the time. So those are things that you just don't have in the city,\nthat you, people let their doors open and they, you know, you went in and out of\npeople's houses. It's just a whole different life now. You know?\n\nBERMAN: Well, on that note, I'd like to thank you very much for agreeing to\nparticipate in this project. This was wonderful and your memories will be at the\nBreman in perpetuity ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36237/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"forever.\n\nKATZ: Great. I love it. Thanks!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5280.0,5310.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Katz, Martha Jo Felson [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: September 5th, 2012, and I am with Martha Jo Felson Katz, who has\nagreed to participate in the Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project of\nthe Cuba Family Archives at the Breman Museum. Martha Jo, I'm so glad that\nyou've agreed to participate in our project. I welcome you here today. You've\nhad such an interesting background, interesting life, and I'm very anxious to\nget all of you, all of your memories on tape. So, if we could begin ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with talking\na little bit about your family's background, how they ended up in middle Georgia\nin the town of Ocilla, how they got there?\n\nKATZ: My grandfather came from Odessa, Russia in 1902.\n\nBERMAN: I just want to interrupt for one minute. Also, whenever possible, please\nsay their names. And if the name is complicated, spell it out.\n\nKATZ: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: So again, you came from Odessa, Russia -\n\nKATZ: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abraham Simon Harris, and we think their Russian name was either\nMatusivitch or Mateshevitch. We're not sure how they pronounced it, but it was\nnot Harris. And there are many different stories about where that Harris name\ncame from. Some said it was, you know, he was somebody in line at the\nimmigration office that he heard that name, or some say it was the mailman's\nname, so we don't really know. But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he came in 1902. He brought with him Aaron\nHarris, who was a six-year-old first cousin. Aaron's parents were trying to get\ntheir children out of Russia. He had an older brother, which was in Dublin,\nGeorgia. His name was also Abe Harris. So, they used to call him little Abe\nHarris and my grandfather, Abe or A.S. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He somehow, he came through Ellis Island.\nHe got to Dublin, Georgia. He knew where he was going. He was 17 years old. So,\nit's miraculous to me, and it's also miraculous that parents would send a\nsix-year-old out of Russia with a 17-year-old, but it was that bad. So, he got\nto South Georgia, he lived with them, and he backpack pedaled through South\nGeorgia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ocilla is located 200 miles central Georgia, south of Atlanta. So, it's\nvery rural America. And when I grew up there, it was never more than about 3,000\npeople, I think 10,000 in the entire county, so it's still very small. My\ngrandmother was, her name was Ida Bank Harris, and she was born in Baltimore,\nMaryland, in 1888, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"October 31st, Halloween Day, 1888. Her parents had come from\nKovno, Lithuania the year before, and Joseph A. Bank, is her brother, the\nclothier. He had been born in Lithuania, and when he was just an infant, they\ncame to Baltimore, Maryland. So, my grandmother in 1910 married my grandfather,\nand he brought her, one of nine children from the Bank ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"family to Ocilla,\nouthouses, dirt roads. She had been in secretarial school, which then for a\nwoman, was really something big because women just didn't go to college at that\npoint. So, she came to Ocilla. My grandfather had backpacked and pedaled through\nSouth Georgia, and he came across a town that didn't have a store. Actually,\nthat was in 1907. So, five years, he saved enough ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"money in order to open A. S.\nHarris Department Store, which they call Irwin County's Trading Center. That\nstore was there until 1993. It was there, no, 2000, it was there 93 years before\nwe liquidated. So, it was a long history of being, you know, the retail\nmerchants store. There were a couple other ones that, actually there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were three\nJewish families in Ocilla, this little town, the Nathan's and the Heller's. It\nends up that the Heller family had a manufacturing company of underwear and the\nNathan's had a retail store down the street. It was only one street. And I'm\nworking on a book now called Two Blocks to Grandma's House, and actually it was\ntwo blocks to anything. It was two blocks. Everything was two blocks. If I\nwalked to town, it was two ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"blocks. If grandma walked to town, it was two blocks.\nSo, it was just two red lights and very small, but a wonderful, thriving\ncommunity when I grew up there.\n\nBERMAN: Do you, did you ever have discussions with your grandmother about the\nshock of leaving a city like Baltimore and moving to Ocilla?\n\nKATZ: The only thing she ever said, and this was so interesting to me, is that\nwhen she came, it was such ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a different life, but that she loved it and that she\nloved my grandfather. I think that they probably had an arranged marriage\nbecause he came to buy clothes from my great grandfather. His name was Simon\nBank, and he had a company called Wear Well Pants Company in Baltimore. My\ngrandfather would come to Baltimore, New York, to buy clothes for the store, and\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my great grandfather just adored him, thought he was a great person. He said,\n\"You know, I have five daughters at home, four sons. Come have dinner.\" And they\nmet. She was the oldest, and I really believe they probably arranged that\nmarriage because it was quick. They met and I think perhaps a few months later,\nthey were married. So, it wasn't long. But I do have the wedding invitation that\nsays, \"Bride's Residence 612 Hanover Street, Baltimore, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maryland.\" We just\nrecently visited, and we went to Federal Hill, and we walked around and my\ngreat-great grandparents, Charles and Chase Bank live next door in 610. The lady\nthat lived in 610 invited us in to come see the original walls and pocket doors\nand fireplaces and fixtures in the house. It was really wonderful to see where\nmy ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandmother, Ida Bank Harris had grown up. She was born there in 1888 and it\nhad all been restored, which we just loved. I walked in and cried because I felt\nthat family history. Now every time I pass by a Chase Bank, I think of a\ngreat-great grandmother. That was her name. I believe they probably called her\nChase. They pronounced it different, but it was spelled C-H-A-S-E, just like the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bank.\n\nBERMAN: What are your earliest memories of the store itself? Can you describe\nwhat it looked like when you walked in the front door?\n\nKATZ: When you walked in it had hardwood floors, or wood floors not really\npolished, you know, but dark wood. I remember that some so good because they\ncreaked. You could hear them, and that was the old store. It was there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"until\n1952 when they tore it down. We built another store, a block down the street, a\nbrick store, moved in temporarily while they tore down that store and rebuilt\nthe A. S. Harris Department Store, which was on the main street. But the old\nstore had fabulous fixtures and it had the old cash registers. It had a men's\nside and a women's side, and it had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dry goods, all kinds of dry goods. You could\nbuy oil cloth. I remember selling lots of oil cloth because the people put that\non their tables when they ate. Of course, we ate at 12 noon. The final whistle\nblew, and we would all, the stores would close, and everybody would go home for\nlunch, for dinner. We called it dinner at 12 noon and on Wednesday afternoons,\nall the stores closed. Every, it was closed. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We ladies played bridge and the men\neither rested or golfed or whatever. It was just a closed afternoon. But we\nworked on Saturday, and it was a, that was our busiest day. As I got older and\nrealized that, you know, really our Shabbat was on Saturday, but in small rural\nAmerican towns, all the farmers came to town from the county, so you could\nhardly find a place to park on Saturdays. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People came to buy their goods for the\nnext week or month or whatever, and the groceries were busy. It was interesting\nbecause we all had nicknames. My mother, they call Skeeter, and they call me\nPeanut. It was just all the people who worked in our store had, you know, names\nfor all of us. It was interesting, as I got older and we'd go back, you know,\nand I would walk in our store, some of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"same men were still working there and\nwomen, and they would say, \"Hey Peanut!\" And I would answer because that was\nwhat they call me, you know, as a child.\n\nBERMAN: So, A. S. Harris sold, everything, just a big -\n\nKATZ: Shoes, yes. Not furniture and not giftware, but they sold men's, women's,\nthey sold work clothes, everything that you could wear, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"material because\nsewing was, that was my first job was when I learned how to count, I would stand\nbehind the counter and people would look through the pattern books and then they\nwould give me a number and a size, and I would go to the to the file box and I\nwould pull the pattern for them.\n\nBERMAN: Let's go a little bit back into your own family history for a minute.\nHow many children did Ida ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and A. S. Harris have?\n\nKATZ: They had four children. The first one was born in back in Baltimore. She\nwent back to Baltimore to have Raymond Harris, and Raymond was born June 16th,\n1912. The day he was born, my grandfather gave my grandmother this beautiful pin.\n\nBERMAN: It is beautiful.\n\nKATZ: Pretty.\n\nBERMAN: Yeah. Oh, I'm glad you wore it for the interview.\n\nKATZ: I did.\n\nBERMAN: It makes it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very, very important. And the other children?\n\nKATZ: My mother was born 13 months later, July 6, 1913. My first grandchildren,\nour first grandchildren, child, Andrew Katz, was born on my mother's birthday.\nMy sister's first grandchild, Ethan, was born on our grandmother's birthday,\nOctober 31st, which I thought was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very unusual.\n\nBERMAN: Okay, and then there were two more children.\n\nKATZ: Yes. Marvin Harris was born in March of 1919, and he passed away in\nDecember of 1919. My grandmother was in the store, had him as a baby in the\nstore, and a woman came in with her child who had diphtheria. It was, of course,\nvery contagious. He caught diphtheria and he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"died shortly thereafter. The\nclosest Jewish cemetery was Thomasville, Georgia. So, they buried him there. I\njust didn't know if he had a grave or what it said or whatever, because when my\ngrandparents died, they were buried in Valdosta. It had then had a cemetery and\nit was closer and they had bought a big plot. But I just recently sent you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some\nphotographs of that, it said Hebrew Cemetery. Somebody that I had met at an\nevent said he was going there. This wonderful man, the principal of E. River\nSchool here in Atlanta, David Smith, when he was there, found Marvin Harris's\ngrave and took photographs. It was wonderful to be able to know where he was and\nthat he had a grave and it was marked. It said Marvin Harris, son of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abe and Ida.\n\nBERMAN: That's great.\n\nKATZ: With the dates.\n\nBERMAN: And then the fourth child?\n\nKATZ: The fourth child was Charles Harris, and he was born in 1921.\n\nBERMAN: Did the children, I know that your mother stayed in Ocilla, obviously,\nwhat about the other three?\n\nKATZ: So, Raymond was the first, and he went to Emory University and then to the\nUniversity of Georgia Medical School. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About that time was the war was coming,\nand he went into the army and was an army doctor in Jackson, Mississippi. When\nhe finished that, when the army, when the war was over, he came back to Ocilla\nand my grandparents built a house at the end of their block. Their house was on\none end on Cherry Street and the other end they built a house, and it was a\nduplex. One side was where Uncle Raymond and his wife, Helen Landey ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harris,\nlived with their three children Stanley, Brendan, Joel, and the other side was\nthe doctor's office. Now they had a maid named Blanche, and Blanche could not\nread or write. 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She was here visiting her daughter and Lena Mae Davis was her name,\nand she said, \"I want you to know that I could have never been a nurse if it\nhadn't been for your family.\" And I said, Tell me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why? What, you know, how they\ndid that?\" And she said, \"Well, not only did they help me to get the scholarship\nand whatever, but your mother and father literally picked me up and took me to\nAugusta because I had no way to get there. And your mother gave me all the\nclothes, so I didn't have clothes for school, to go to school.\" And she said,\n\"Y'all were little girls, and you went with this, you and your sister, Devara\n[Felson Goodman].\" And when I went to tell ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them goodbye, I looked in the car.\nHer daughter, by the way, is an OB-GYN in Atlanta, Georgia, now, which I just\nthink is so wonderful in two generations to come from making an X for your name\nto being a doctor is just wonderful, and she attributes so much of that to our\nfamily. She had a tallit in her car, and I said, \"What? What is that?\" And she\nsaid, \"I never go ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anywhere without the tallit. I know it's the Hebrew prayer\nshawl.\" And it's, she takes it with her everywhere.\n\nBERMAN: That's an amazing story.\n\nKATZ: The other story about a young black man that worked in our store, Alphonso\nOwens, he was started working when he was 14, 15, you know, helping in the\nstore, doing minor things. But my grandfather knew he was very bright, and he\nsent him to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college. He later came, he got his Ph.D., he came back, he was the\nprincipal of the black high school in Ocilla or the black school in Ocilla. He's\nnow 93 years old, I believe, and he is still living. When we have seen him\nlately, he'll say, \"Oh, you, you are, y'all are our family. You are my family.\nAnd that what your grandparents,\" he said, \"I called them Miss Ida because\nthat's what ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Harris called her, Miss Ida.\" And he just was so grateful to\nhave that opportunity, you know, from, that we, my family gave him, it's just\nsuch a wonderful feeling to know that our grandparents and parents helped so\nmany people in rural America that would never have had that opportunity.\n\nBERMAN: I want to talk a little bit about the relationship with your family in\nthe black community ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and also about some of your recollections regarding that.\nBut it was interesting to me that you said that your Uncle Raymond hired this\nwoman as his nurse. Did his patients object to having a black woman as their nurse?\n\nKATZ: No. They and we were all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"raised when we had lots of help. We did. We had,\nbut it was not like what people say was in that movie. It was a different\nrelationship. I mean, their, they did live in a section of town that was called\nColored Town, and that's what we referred to it if we would be going there, but\nand they did have special bathrooms in our homes that they used, but they were\nreally ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part of our family. And whenever they were in need, they always knew they\ncould count on our family. There was one that all she did was floors, that's all\nshe cleaned was floors, Lulabelle, and I can remember as a child when she would\ncome to our house to work on the floors we would leave because her body odor was\nso bad, we couldn't stand to be in the house. But she did a miraculous job on\nthe floors and, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, got, that's how she made her money. Another one we\nbought cakes from, Ophelia, and she babysat us. Ophelia was great. And when my\nmother was dying and she said, \"Do you want to know what I'm thinking and\nwhatever?\" And I said, \"I do, I want to know.\" And she said, \"They say your\nwhole life goes before you, before you die.\" She said, \"I can see Aunt Sally.\"\nShe loved Aunt Sally, that was their, one of their maids, Minnie and Aunt Sally.\nShe said, \"I can see Aunt ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sally on my mother's back porch saying, 'Thank the\nLord for the rain.'\" And they were really so close to our family. They all were,\nyou know. So, it was more of a loving relationship and nobody ever, I never\nheard that, I never heard that when they went to Uncle Raymond's office that\nthey didn't want to. They really respected her, and she was good at what she\ndid, and people knew ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.\n\nBERMAN: That's very interesting that you know that they were able to cross,\nbecause I know here, even in Atlanta with the dental clinic, a lot of white\npatients had objected to the to the black dentist. So, I was it was curious to\nme that they didn't have an objection so -\n\nKATZ: No, I'm glad you asked that question because I grew up never really, I\nknew, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that they lived in a certain part of town and it was different,\nbut I never had that feeling of any kind of resentment or hate towards black\npeople. We didn't. We weren't raised that way. They loved our family and the\nChristian, we grew up in a Christian society. I went to the Methodist Church for\nkindergarten. I just knew that when they said certain things and whatever, I\ndidn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"believe that, that I was Jewish. I always knew I was Jewish and out of\nnine grandchildren, and I was one of them, we all married Jewish. All of my\ngrandmother, Abe and Ida Harris's grandchildren, married Jewish, which growing\nup in a rural American town like we did, was pretty unusual because the only\npeople you had to date were non-Jewish people or, you know, associate with.\n\nBERMAN: Did you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ever, in growing up in the town where Jim Crow was a part of\ngrowing up, did your parents, your grandparents, ever talk about the separate\ndrinking fountains or the, have, you know, separate entrance at the movie\ntheater? Was it an issue or issue for them? Or did they ever talk about it?\n\nKATZ: They really didn't talk about it. I knew it was there. I mean, we had one\ntheater, one. We had . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":". and my grandmother owned the building of the, my\ngrandparents owned the building where the beer store was, which we used to laugh\nbecause my grandmother owned the beer store, my friend's grandmother owned the\npool hall. So, you know, just the building. But, you know, the black men would\ngo to the back of the beer store and the white would go in the front. But\ninteresting enough, they all went to the same grocery store and checked out at\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"same grocery lines and bought gasoline at the same gas stations. There was\na, the nurse that they had sent to school ended up marrying a builder. They had\na beautiful home, and they had their kids, raised their children and sent them,\ntraveled with them, educated them. So, you know, I think it just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"took a while\nfor the generations to just sort of catch up. Then finally they integrated the schools.\n\nBERMAN: Do you remember that period very well?\n\nKATZ: When they integrated the schools, well, when they integrated University of\nGeorgia, I was there. I was in the same dorm with Charlayne Hunter.\n\nBERMAN: Can you tell me about that a little bit?\n\nKATZ: It was interesting because the night that they brought her into Myers Hall\nin Athens, I was in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South Myers, and she was staying in Central Myers and then\nthere was North Myers. There were so many news people and so many state patrol\nand police officers on that street, and a lot of the students had gathered in\nthe back, and a lot of it really was initiated by the news media. I mean, they\nwould go up to students, you'd hear them, and they would go up to students and\nsay, you know, \"Raise your wrist,\" or, you know, \"Make a fist,\" or \"I want, I'll\nget you on the front of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the magazines!\" And it was not, that feeling was not,\nnobody really even cared at that point, I don't think, but the media just\ninstigated a lot of that. So, a lot of students had gathered in the back in this\nU-shape, and they started throwing tear gas, the police or state patrol. I\nhappened to be in a little phone booth talking to Jerry Katz, my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then-boyfriend.\nAnd, you know, it really got into my face and nose. I was in this little booth.\nWe didn't have private phones, of course, in our rooms at that time. So, they\ntook me outside because I was getting sick and I saw them take her out of South,\nof Central Myers, Central Myers, and put her in the car to take her away because\nthey were afraid something would happen. Then a few days later, she came back,\nand Hamilton Holmes and they always had escorts, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"police escorts and they\nregistered them for school, and they went to class. At one point, one time I was\nwalking up Stegman stairs and Hamilton Holmes happened to hit me and knock my\nbooks out of my arms. Just I probably wasn't looking, you know, going up the\nsteps, but nobody ever stopped to pick them up, except for me. But it was they\nwere all they were so concentrated on keeping them protected, which they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did.\nThey went to school, they finished school, and after they'd been there a while,\nnobody really paid that much attention to them. You know, it was just a part of life.\n\nBERMAN: Did you and your friends talk about it? Was it part of your -\n\nKATZ: We did.\n\nBERMAN: And what, how did you all feel about it?\n\nKATZ: I think it was mostly that we were afraid. It was scary that something was\ngoing to happen, that it was going to be a riot, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know. We'd heard so many\nthings about people getting hurt and killed and whatever, you know, between the\nblacks and the whites trying to integrate. But it really, that was really, you\nknow, we were more afraid, I think, than anything. Not, we didn't feel\nresentment that they were coming. We just were frightened that people might get\nhurt, black or white.\n\nBERMAN: I want to move back into town, into ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ocilla, back a little bit. You said\nthere were two other Jewish families in the town, so obviously most of your\nfriends were not Jewish.\n\nKATZ: Right.\n\nBERMAN: How is the Jewish community or you as a Jewish person received by your\nfriends? Was there any, ever any problems or any issues between you?\n\nKATZ: Well, we all knew there was the Ku Klux Klan. We knew that, but they\nregarded our family as pillars of the community. 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I was in sixth grade, and he'd said something about Jewish merchants in\nand Jew me down or it was some, you know, off, I just thought, \"Oh, my goodness,\nwhat is that?\" Little did he know that the superintendent of schools lived next\ndoor, and I never saw ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him again. My parents went and told him, and he was gone.\nNever a question. Because they respected our family so much, and for him to say\nthat in the classroom was unacceptable. So, I never saw that teacher again. Went\ninto the next day school and had a substitute. And the other instance, is I\nremember a boy in my sister's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"class had made a remark, something about damn Jew,\nbut that was really the only time. And however, we knew that the Ku Klux Klan\nexisted, and they burn crosses, we knew that growing up. But they never really .\n. . this will give you an example. A lady came in the store one day and I was a\nchild and she said, \"Oh, Mrs. Harris, oh,\" to my grandmother, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"You're such a\ngood Christian woman and you're just the best.\" So, I asked my mother, \"Why,\nwe're not Christian, we're Jewish, why does she say that? Why did she, you\nknow?\" She said \"She just meant that your grandmother was a good person. It was\na compliment.\" And so, it was not, you know, this lady had no idea about whether\nwe, what we were, Jewish, she probably didn't even ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know. But I remember that as\na child, \"Why was that lady calling my grandmother good . . .\" We would talk\nfrom the very beginning that we were, you know, Jewish. They didn't have a\nsynagogue where my mother was growing up, but the Jewish people from rural\nGeorgia used to get together on Sundays, and they would have meals and they'd\nhave holiday meals, and they would, you know, so they grew up, my uncle Raymond\nHarris went back to Baltimore when he was 12 to live, go to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school, and study\nand be bar mitzvahed.\n\nBERMAN: So, they met at just somebody's house?\n\nKATZ: Homes. Yes.\n\nBERMAN: Well, when the Fitzgerald synagogue was built, did you go there then for services?\n\nKATZ: 1946 and I was born April 2nd, 1942. So, until I was little, four years\nold, you know, there was no there was no. But my grandfather, Abe Harris and\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elex Kruger and another Jewish man bought the Methodist Church in Fitzgerald and\nconverted it to be the synagogue, which is still there today, the Fitzgerald\nHebrew Congregation. And they were building a bigger Methodist church. It became\navailable, so they bought it. And I mean, it's a wonderful small synagogue. They\nbuilt on to have a social hall and make a kitchen. There was a lady ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that lived\nin Fitzgerald, a Jewish lady named Miss Tatel and Miss Tatel used to cook a lot\nof the holiday meals. We ate all the holiday meals there. They still do. When\npeople go home for the holiday, they have a caterer come in and they have\nservices and then go into the social hall, and everybody eats together because\nthey come from all over. You know, these small towns, you can't go back to\nwherever. I mean, we could go to Ocilla, I guess, to have to eat. But everybody\nate ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"together and in a lot of the Sunday afternoons, they would start at four.\nWe'd have Sunday school for an hour and then the men would play gin rummy and\nthe women would bring covered dish and they would put out a meal for, you know,\nwhen they weren't having catering, it was just Sunday school, and everybody\nbrought cover dish and we ate together on Sundays.\n\nBERMAN: Did you go every Sunday to Sunday school?\n\nKATZ: Mhm.\n\nBERMAN: For how long did you do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that?\n\nKATZ: Um, until we were like, we were confirmed. They didn't have bat mitzvahs\nthen, but all of the boys were bar mitzvahed, my cousins and whatever. I think a\ngirl about two years younger than me was the first bat mitzvah in Fitzgerald.\nBut we went till we were like 13 to 14. Right after we were confirmed, we had confirmation.\n\nBERMAN: The rabbi, Rabbi [Nathan Louis] Kohen. What can you tell me about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him?\nAny memories of him at all?\n\nKATZ: Well, yes, I have lots of memories about Rabbi Nathan Kohen and his wife,\nBe. They were from Pittsburgh. The synagogue, the congregants provided them a\nhouse that was in walking distance of the synagogue. 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We didn't sit down and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"learn the Hebrew alphabet like they would\nnow, but we memorized a lot of the Hebrew songs and that's, you know, and we\nhad, we would sing them and whatever. A lot of the prayers that we just they\nmemorized, you know, you memorized them.\n\nBERMAN: Was he involved with the children? Was there a camaraderie between the\nrabbi and the children, or was he more aloof?\n\nKATZ: No. I mean, you had to be. It was such a small congregation and such. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You\nknow, he had to teach. He had to, he did a lot of things. He would come to\nOcilla to teach after school, my cousins, the boy's, Hebrew, for their bar\nmitzvah lesson. He would drive down and when they got out of school once a week\nor whatever, they would have their bar mitzvah lesson. The rabbi came, he was\nlike the traveling rabbi, Of course, there was not a cemetery ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Fitzgerald when\nhe first came. So, you know, Valdosta, everybody went to Valdosta, but when\nthey, when somebody died, he would go, and he would be the one that would do the\nfuneral. Then they open the cemetery, and when my father died in 1964, he was\none of the first people that was buried in that Fitzgerald, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish cemetery.\n\nBERMAN: So, you went to Sunday school in Fitzgerald and there were a few more\nJewish children there, but I'm assuming as you got older, for you and your\nsister, you wanted a date. Was it an issue for your parents that there were no\nJewish boys for you to date in Ocilla?\n\nKATZ: You know, they just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always, we always knew that we would marry somebody\nJewish. It was not a question of, and my sisters didn't date as much as I did,\nbut she didn't have as many children in her age group as I did. She was born in\n1940, and you know, it was right, I was born in 1942 and it was just I had so\nmany more even girlfriends than she did in this small little town. So, we all\ndated, but we had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more of . . . there was a place in between Ocilla and\nFitzgerald, halfway in between called Lake Beatrice, and it had swimming pools,\nand it had a big rec center that had bowling and it had a dance floor. So mainly\npeople met at this Lake B. And that's how we socialized. Or you went to the\nDairy Queen. There was only a few places to go, you know, it was not, it wasn't\nlike when we would come to Atlanta. 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We would go out with college kids\nwhen we were 15, 16, which normally parents would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not let their children date a\ncollege student. But because we were from the country, you know, that was\nimportant to be around that Jewish association. We'd go to Emory to Dooley's or\nto Georgia Tech to something because they knew that was how we met our . . . and\nthey sent us to camp, we went to Blue Star when I started when I was 12.\n\nBERMAN: That was my next question if you went to Jewish camp. 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I always knew that was so important that it was\neasy, it would be easier, and I think my parents did a good job in getting this\nthrough, that it would be so much easier to marry somebody who thought like you\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did and who was Jewish versus somebody that wasn't. I saw the difference. I went\nto sunbeams at the Baptist Church, I went to, they went with me, and I went with\nthem. I saw, you know, what, how they prayed, and they saw how I prayed. It was,\nI respected what they did, and they respected what I did. So, I didn't see that\nit was a huge difference as far as how we thought. We all went to our own\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religious studies, but I was not going to be one that . . . when they sang Jesus\nLoves Me, we didn't say Jesus, we would sing the song, but we never said the\nword. And I don't know what that was either, but I guess, like my parents said,\n\"You don't have to say the word,\" so you don't say it. So, we didn't. Any of\nthose songs, we just left out the word. Isn't that amazing?\n\nBERMAN: That's great. You mentioned that most of the holidays, I'm assuming,\nlike ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some of the where you had to travel and you were at services, you had the\nmeal in at the synagogue. What about Shabbat or Passover? Were those in the home?\n\nKATZ: We did, we had a community Passover seder that we went to Fitzgerald and\nthe rabbi conducted it and everybody came. Then, you know, for Rosh Hashanah and\nYom Kippur, we had those meals there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were other meals in our house that\nwe did on holidays. And my grandmother was such a spectacular cook. I mean, for\nmany years, it was interesting because when she had a wood stove and when she\ngot her electric stove, she wouldn't get rid of the wood stove for a long time.\nShe kept it. I remember that wood stove. She would keep it just in case\nsomething didn't cook right on this new fancy electric stove. But we had, she\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had lots and lots of big meals in that house. Lots.\n\nBERMAN: Did she have any specific recipes, Jewish recipes that you remember?\n\nKATZ: Yes. One of them actually won a contest in Atlanta magazine not long ago,\na few years back, that they were having this contest about family recipes. Her\nsweet and sour meatball recipe, I sent it in, and it won one of the prizes. I\nwas so excited. Yes, grandma, because she was, and after my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children were born,\nwe started calling her Mama Harris instead of grandma. But you know, I've got\nher recipes, I have in her handwriting, they're all in a book, and, you know,\nthey used to put them in. Also, a lot of those old like Jell-O books and\nwhatever. Sometimes I just sit down and look at them because her writing was\nvery unique, and I like to just see.\n\nBERMAN: Did she . . . 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It was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so great to be able to . . . but she was always in the\nkitchen, and I was her taster. She would call me up and I would walk those two\nblocks over because she'd say, \"I'm making sweet and sour, come taste.\" I would\ngo over and taste and tell her whether it was too sweet or too sour. She just\nloved it. Even as a child, she would call me, and I would go do that. All my\nlife, Sandy, all my life, every week, my grandmother gave me and my sister a\ndollar a week. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She gave each grandchild a dollar a week. I saved every bit of\nthat. Went to the bank myself, had my little bank book and put my dollar in\nevery week. That was how we were taught to save.\n\nBERMAN: That's wonderful, and I love the back and forth of the recipes. That's a\ngreat story, you know, that they, your grandmother learned southern cooking.\n\nKATZ: She did.\n\nBERMAN: And the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"help learned Jewish cooking.\n\nKATZ: They did. We used to, when my mother would bake a whole red snapper and\nthey would bake the whole thing, and they had this certain recipe with\nvegetables that they baked in the oven. My job was they would cut the head off\nand I would walk it up to grandma's because she liked the head because the fish\nbehind the gills were supposed to be like the delicacy. They used to wrap it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up\nand I would walk it over and had to cross a main highway. We started crossing\nthe main highway pretty young, just like we started driving pretty young, like\nwhen I was 13, I was driving everywhere. They taught us how to drive and we\ndidn't have a license, but we could drive. Somehow, we drove. I don't know why.\n\nBERMAN: I want to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"move out of Ocilla a little bit and get into, you said you met\nyour future husband at the University of Georgia.\n\nKATZ: First week I was there.\n\nBERMAN: Love at first sight?\n\nKATZ: Love at first sight. [I] came in that night and said to my roommate,\n\"That's who I'm going to marry.\" And she said, \"You are crazy.\" But I knew. I\nsaw him. I knew. That was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it.\n\nBERMAN: Were you in a Jewish sorority at Georgia?\n\nKATZ : DPhiE [Delta Phi Epsilon]. My mother was a charter member of the DPhiE\nchapter at Georgia. So, my sister was already a member and president I think at\nthe time when I came, she's 25 months older than I am. So, it was really, you\nknow, there was no doubt we were going to be DPhiE's. My mother, when I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was\nabout maybe 12 or 13, her friend of hers from the University of Georgia, named\nEvelyn Sellers, was then the Dean of Women at the University of Florida and\ncalled mother and said, \"They're trying to start a DPhiE chapter at the\nUniversity of Florida in Gainesville.\" Mama put us in the car, and we drove to\nGainesville. She talked to all the girls about DPhiE and whatever. That's when\nthey started that chapter. It was in the Fifties, and that chapter for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DPhiE is\nstill there. I think it's one of the few that's still, I think, just mainly\nJewish girls.\n\nBERMAN: Was there ever a thought of joining a non-Jewish sorority?\n\nKATZ: Never. It was just, you know, going to be DPhiE like my mama. And however,\nwhen I met Jerry Katz that first week, we had a date the entire, every night we\nwent out. At that time, you had to sign in and out. You couldn't just go. You\nhad ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"curfews at the University of Georgia. So, I would sign out every night and\nwe go out. And then, so September we met. We actually decided to, we were young,\nwe were so young, we didn't know if our parents would say we could get married,\nbut we wanted to. He was playing basketball for the University of Georgia at the\ntime as a holdout, and he came out of practice one day and said, \"Do you want to\nget married?\" And I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Okay.\" We went to Abbeville, South Carolina, and we\nfound the Justice of the Peace. He said, \"Well, you have to come back the next\nday.\" We thought you didn't have to wait. So, we drove all the way back to\nAthens, and then I found out that my sister's best friend from Ocilla had\ngotten, had eloped. And you got, she got expelled from school. I was like, \"Oh\nmy God, I can never tell anybody.\" Because if you had to get permission at that\ntime ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to get married. We drove back to Abbeville and the next day, and a blind\nJustice of the Peace married us, and his name happened to be Judge Irwin. Well,\nthat was the county I grew up in, so I figured, well, that must have been a\nsign. We came back to Athens. We wrote our parents letters asking, \"Could we get\nengaged?\" And they both said yes. So, we never told anybody for 25 years that we\ngot married. We had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a . . . we got engaged, we got married March 5th, we got\nengaged March 21st. And then we had a wedding in Fitzgerald at the Elks Home on\nJune 11th of 1961.\n\nBERMAN: Let's hold that thought for a minute. I know these tapes are only forty\nsome minutes, so I wanted to finish -.\n\nUNKNOWN: It's 60 minutes.\n\nBERMAN: Oh, they were only four. Okay, I wanted to make sure.\n\nUNKNOWN: Yeah, about, let's do ten more minutes and then switch tapes.\n\nBERMAN: Okay. Okay, great. Didn't want to miss any of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this. So, you met Jerry\nthe first week of college. What was your major? What did you decide to go into?\n\nKATZ: Well, at that point I was just going to do a BBA [Bachelor of Business\nAdministration], you know, I had no idea what I, I mean, you know, in that era,\nyour main goal was to get married and have kids. I mean, it was not a career\ndriven . . . if somebody had told me then what I was going to do later, I\nprobably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would have thought they were out of their mind.\n\nBERMAN: Well, I guess what I'm leading up to is, how did you get into your\nmodeling career?\n\nKATZ: Well, we got married in June and in October, I was going -\n\nBERMAN: What year was that?\n\nKATZ: 1961 and in October we were both in school, and that was the deal. We\ncould, you know, we would both go to school. I wasn't feeling good. I went to\nthe eye, ear, nose, and throat doctor and I said, \"Oh, Dr. Dubose, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've got to\nget rid of this bug. I'm getting so far behind in school.\" Well, pregnant, of\ncourse. So, we had our first child, Stephen Katz was born in Athens General and\nwas really meant to be. Sometimes you just know things are meant to be. My\nfather had, Robert Felson, had never had a son. He only had the two girls. He\nloved that grandson so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much. He died a little over two years after Steven was\nborn. So, I always thought it was just meant to be that I got pregnant. So, we,\nyou know, we figured if we would bat five hundred, which we did, and he finished\nschool and I didn't. When we moved back to Atlanta, we moved into an apartment,\nand we started looking to buy a house because I've been going to the bank once a\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"week all those years with my dollar and had a nice little nice savings account.\nWe started looking for a house and we found one that was going to be built. So,\nwe purchased the house, and I was a stay-at-home mother for a couple of years\ntill I think Steven was about almost five and then we have another child shortly\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after my father died, Robin. People used to say, \"Do you model?\" when I'd be out\nat different things. I thought, \"Well, no, I don't.\" But I had a friend who kept\nsaying, \"You got to go to Rich's. You got to go down Rich's. You got to go.\" You\nknow, whatever. So finally, I thought, \"I got to shut her up and let me go, let\nme go down there.\" I walked in the office and there was an elderly lady sitting\nthere, older lady, at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"least. She said, \"Fill out this card,\" and I did. I didn't\neven know to take a photograph, but I had always been on stage. I had been a\nmajorette. I'd been a cheerleader. I had always been in plays. I had my own\ndrill team when I was 13. I had gone to FSU [Florida State University] that\nsummer and learned how to organize a drill team at FSU. They had a music summer\ncamp. So, it wasn't like I had not performed. I knew how to perform. I thought,\n\"How she going to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember me?\" She said, \"Oh, we'll remember.\" Well, we left,\nand I thought, \"Well, that my friend, it'll satisfy her.\" And, you know, I'm\nsure I'm never going to hear from them. About two weeks later, Rich's at Lenox\nSquare because it was only that was 1966, it was only Rich's downtown in Lenox.\nThey called and said, \"Frank Olive the hat designer is coming in town, and we'd\nlike for you to do the show.\" [I] said, \"Okay.\" I figured, well, I'll try ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. So\nI went, and he was just so nice, and he liked me and whatever. The next day I\ngot a call from Sol Kent's assistant, a lady that was named Eddie Johnson. She\nwas really my mentor. She called me and said, \"Come down. I heard about you. I\nwant to talk to you.\" I went downtown and she said, \"I want to try on some\nclothes.\" She said, \"You have a great body. You have, you're like this coat\nhanger, you're any size!\" Try on a four, it fit. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had broad shoulders and it\nwas like I was just, you know, didn't know what was going on. She sat me down\nand she said, \"Here are all the things you need to do. You have to get a bag.\nYou have to get a calendar book. You have to get an elastic to go around your\nwaist. You have to have a pair of black [panty]hose, a pair of white, nude\n[panty]hoes. You have to have a black half-slip and a white half-slip.\" She told\nme everything to get. Then she gave me about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"eight or 10 bookings. The first\nmajor booking that I had was the Temple Donor Fashion Show at the Standard Club.\nI went there, and they had long tables set up and they had mirrors and they had\nwhere they had all your clothes written on a chart. I thought, \"Okay . . .\" I\nlooked at this lady and I looked at that lady, and I thought, \"If they can do it\nI can.\" I read my clothes and what accessories I had to put in, and they had\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dressers. I heard music and that's all I needed because I had, I mean, when I\nwas a child and the major, the drum man didn't show up, I played the drum for\nthe band in Ocilla being with the, you know, because I knew how to keep rhythm.\nI figured, \"Okay, I'll just try it.\" And once my photograph got in the paper,\nthey used to put our names, and back then it was like three Katz's in the phone\nbook, you know, it was hardly any. And I would get a phone ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"call from J. P.\nAllens, \"Oh, hi, I saw your picture in the paper and could you come do my show?\"\nI was just, it just built and built. Of course, the mall started getting built\nand new stores, so I was one of the opening models for Saks Fifth Avenue in 1968\nat Phipps Plaza and of Neiman Marcus a couple of years later and all the mall\nstores. There were no malls then. So, then perimeter opened in South DeKalb and\nNorth DeKalb and all these stores, it was like my business ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grew every single\nyear. So, I decided that I would do it as long as I was working a lot. But I saw\nladies get older and get phased out, and then they had nothing. So, I thought,\n\"Okay, well, the year I make the most money is the year I will quit.\" When in\n1983 I had such an incredible first part of the year, and I went to the\nRitz-Carlton Buckhead to plan my son's rehearsal dinner, he was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"engaged and the\nlady said, \"What do you do?\" I knew how to plan a party. If you didn't cook it\nor bake it in Ocilla, you didn't have it. My parents and grandparents had always\nentertained, so I said, I told her I was getting ready to retire and I would be\nmore than happy to . . . she said, \"Are you interested in hotel?\" I said, \"I\nguess, sure.\" She said, \"Well, call me, we'll have lunch.\" So, she was really\nsmart. She knew I had been wearing all those ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"clothes that all the socialites had\nbeen buying for the charity events, and I knew them all. So, she said, \"If you\nteach me Atlanta, I'll teach you hotel.\" She said, \"You already know food. So,\nI'll teach you.\" So, I was already 41 years old, and I had been on the runway\nwith my daughter, who was young, and I thought, \"We're dressed just alike, it's\ntime to retire.\" So, I did. My last fashion out ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Rich's was September of 1983.\n\nBERMAN: Can you tell me a little bit about fashionata or what it was like -\n\nUNKNOWN: Sandy, we should -\n\nBERMAN: Oh, we should stop. Okay, change the tape.\n\nKATZ: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: We're back, we had a change tape, so there was a little break. You were\ntelling me about fashionata and explain what fashionata really was.\n\nKATZ: Fashionata was the largest fashion show ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the city for many years. It was\na production. It was really more than a fashion show. It was almost like a\nBroadway production or play, and Sol Kent wrote and produced and directed the\nwhole thing. I mean, he would actually select the music and write all the\ncommentary. I mean, I just remember some of his most wonderful phrases, you\nknow, \"Here's to the ladies who lunch.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would be a whole scene of things that\nyou would wear to a luncheon or people dressed up in the first part of that era.\nYou know, if you went on an airplane or you went to lunch, you dressed up. They\nwould have a, they had it in hotels at the beginning and it would be a lunch\nshow and then a dinner show when the men would come at dinner with their wives.\nPeople paid to come, and they gave the money to charity. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They made enough to\ncover their cost and then, you know, give to charity. It was a nice show like an\nhour long. I mean, it was, you wore six, seven outfits in this show and they\nwould have sometimes 20 something girls in it. I mean, it was big. Different\nscenes were different, some were, I remember doing the polka one time with, you\nknow, in the outfits that I had were reminiscent of whatever the polka was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or,\nyou know, an outdoor scene where you did jeans and fur coats and fur leather\njackets. So, this show progressed, it went from the Dinkler Plaza Hotel to the\nnew Marriott Hotel. The second year I believe I did it there was people\npicketing because there were no black models in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"show. I can remember that\nthey were afraid for us, and they would, we had to go to a certain point and\nthen they would bring us in in a back doorway so that nobody would see the\nmodels coming in and out. And of course, then the next year, it was integrated.\nSo . . .\n\nBERMAN: And this was all sponsored by Rich's.\n\nKATZ: Rich's Department Store, and yes, and Sol Kent was the Director of\nFashion. And he, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, I always said from like 1966 to 1983, I played dress\nup in the most beautiful, wonderful clothes. I met every major designer. I met\nBill Blass. I met Perry Ellis the first time he ever came to Atlanta, Georgia,\nyoung kid. Halston, Ralph Lauren, Pauline Trigère, Narelle, Chester Weinberg. I\nmean, some of the great couturiers, you know, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was just a most\nunbelievable career. I loved every second of it. It was great.\n\nBERMAN: Do you know whose idea at Rich's it was to do this and give this money\nto charity?\n\nKATZ: I don't, but I think that probably Sol Kent had a lot to do with it, that\nhe wanted to do a major fashion show once a year. He also added one for the\nLovett School, and we did that in February every year in their gymnasium. Rich's\ncame ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out and they hired a company that built the runways. At that time, Rich's\nhad its own in-house advertising, it had its own in-house, I mean, there were\nguys that did the runway that built it and built the sets and everything because\nit was such a huge thing. Fashion back then was so different than it is now.\nOnce a year, we did what they call Springtime in the downtown store, and we\nwould do like six fashion shows a day in each department. 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Then they did Tea Party on\nTuesday afternoons and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saturday afternoons, and they bused in all these women\nfrom out and men, but mostly women, from all the small towns around Atlanta.\nRich's paid for that. They paid a fee, I think to ride the bus, but it was\nnominal and then they gave them this tea party on Tuesday afternoons and on\nSaturday afternoons. We would do a commentated show real quick. They give them a\ntea party play and then they get back on the bus and they go home. They shopped\nall ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"day. Then on Wednesday afternoons downtown at the store, we did boxed lunch\nwith the working women would come and sit in a chair with their boxed lunch and\neat a box lunch, and we do a fashion show for them to show them what was new and\nwhat was up. Every Wednesday afternoon at lunch.\n\nBERMAN: Having spent so much time at Rich's with your modeling career, what do\nyou, how would you describe what Rich's meant to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the city of Atlanta and to\nreally the shopper, the shopping life of Atlanta?\n\nKATZ: Do you know, as young as I was growing up and we had a department store at\nhome, but we bought our fine clothes, our better clothes at Rich's. I even\nremember the lady that waited on us. Her name was Mrs. Skinner. She would call\nOcilla and say, \"Oh, I got in, you know, such and such dresses for the girls.\"\nWhen we came to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta, we go and see Mrs. Skinner and just, you know, try on\nand buy and buy our dress up clothes for the holidays or special occasions.\nRich's was more than just a department store because it had the home store and\nit had, and the other thing that I think everybody just loved about Rich's is\nthat you can return anything anytime. If it didn't last or it tore up or you\ndecided you didn't want, no questions asked, walked ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in and you could return it.\nSome of the things that I remember is Dick [Richard] Rich, you know, walking\naround the store, always pleasant, always such a nice gentleman, and so, he\nactually reminded me of what my grandfather was. They were always dressed\nimpeccably and so gentle in their way they spoke to their customers and their\nemployees. He would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"see something on the floor, he'd bend down and pick it up.\nBut he was always kind and courteous and was always in the store walking around.\nYou know, it was amazing to see him.\n\nBERMAN: Today, shoppers, do you think that they that that they've lost some of that?\n\nKATZ: They have no idea that there were a group of women who went to Rich's, and\nI can remember when Lenox was had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their Regency Room where the couture clothes\nwere, and Sol dressed them. He actually, every single outfit. When he would go\nto Paris or when he would go to New York, he picked out specifics for certain\nladies that he knew would look good on them. He was that talented in not only\nputting a fashion show on but dressing them. He was their dresser, and he did a\nmagnificent job. I mean, they look like they stepped out of a magazine, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they\nknew they could depend on him to do that. It was amazing. I used to try on a lot\nof the clothes, and they would say, you know, when we'd have trunk shows and I\nwould, he'd say, maybe it wasn't their size or whatever and we'd show it and\nthey'd say, \"Yeah, we like that one, and we know we don't like that one.\" It was\na whole different thing. It was specialized and dedicated. It was personalized.\nThey called him by his first name. He was so, you know, if he got something in\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or something came in that he thought was just right for them, they came\nimmediately and bought it.\n\nBERMAN: When did that era end?\n\nKATZ: I think probably when he retired. The last show, the last fashionata I did\nwas 1983. It was starting to change. So mid 1980s it started to be, and you\nknow, when Rich's was sold, it was more bottom line and it was more\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commercialized. [You] used to be able to just, you would go there and oh, they\nmade the most beautiful packages, everything was wrapped so beautifully. Even\nwhatever you bought, it didn't matter what it was, small, big, but they always\npackaged, you know, so nice. So, you knew that when you went there, it was\nspecial to buy from Rich's.\n\nBERMAN: I want to move away from Rich's in Atlanta and go back to Ocilla because\nthere were a few ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things I wanted to touch upon. Did you ever regret growing up\nin a small town?\n\nKATZ: Never. We loved it. We loved Ocilla. We loved that camaraderie with all\nour friends. It was such a different. I don't think I could live in a small town\nlike that now because it's just so different when we go home. It's sad that the\nsmall towns have just dwindled and they're almost, you know, you have a hard\ntime even having, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"filling a building with a business. They all go to the\nWalmart's, and they go to the large, they get in their car and they drive from\nOcilla to Macon to shop or to Atlanta to shop. So, it's real hard to have a\nthriving business in a small town like we did, like we had. When my mother came\nback after she graduated University of Georgia, she started teaching sixth ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grade\nin Ocilla. She went to Tifton to a bar mitzvah, Buddy Corish bar mitzvah. When\npeople used to travel through these little towns, if they happen to be there\nwhen it was an event, they invited them. So, my father had grown up mostly in\nJacksonville, Florida. He'd been born in and lived in Bristol, Rhode Island, but\nhis father had TB [tuberculosis] and they moved to Florida for the climate. He\nwas ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"traveling for the Wilson Brothers selling piping or something that they had.\nThey knew he was Jewish, and they invited him to the bar mitzvah. And he met my\nmother. When they got married, a few weeks before they got married, the Wilson,\nSam and Lou Wilson were in their wedding, but they fired him. He didn't have a\njob. My grandfather said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Oh, I'm so happy because we wanted y'all to live in\nOcilla anyway.\" So, he, my father, moved. He was living in Gainesville, Florida,\nand they already had an apartment there and everything to move. They moved into\nthis little house in Ocilla, and he started working in the store with my\ngrandfather. So that was 1938, and then a few years went by, and the war and\nwhatever, and in 1946, my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father, my grandfather loaned him the money and he\nowned the store next door, right next door that my grandfather had built to\nattached to the store. It was furniture and gifts and records and jewelry and\nwhatever you could sell. I mean, the other things that the department store\ndidn't have. So, and it was called Felson's. So that was for many years until I\nclosed the store ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when my mother was sick in like 1981, I closed that store. But\nthose were, you know, that's how we lived, and we loved it and we enjoyed, we\nworked. I worked from the time I could see over the counter, I did. I mean if I\ncould wrap a package, then that's what I did, whatever it was. They paid us and\nwe worked. We all worked, the whole family and loved it, didn't know it was any\ndifferent ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than that.\n\nBERMAN: That was my going to be my next question about Felson's because I know I\nhave all those papers and records from Felson's as well. Was there a particular\ncustomer that you recall that just always came in or a funny anecdote that\nhappened at the store that you'd like to?\n\nKATZ: Yes, Miss Otto Greiner. She was a lady ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who her husband was the banker, and\nshe collected Royal Doulton figurines, and every time my father went to a gift\nshow, my mother and father, and we went with them. We went to the old auditorium\nhere in Atlanta on Edgewood Avenue or wherever that was. They used to set up\ntemporary gift shows, and he would always pick out some Royal Doulton figurines\nthat she didn't have. 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There was this Miss ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Flanders,\nand she drove an old two door coupe black Ford. When you saw Miss Flanders\ncoming, you ran because she would go up on the sidewalk. She'd be back in the\ncars. I mean, she was just, she was just this unbelievable driver. I mean, it\nwas just a little town. I had two red lights. But when you saw Miss JJ Flanders\ncame in, you got out of the way, whether you were in your car or whether you\nwere walking because you just had, you just knew. So, there was also a train\ntrack ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Ocilla that went to nowhere. It just came and it ended right behind my\ngrandmother and granddaddy's house, and then it went back the other way. It\nnever went anywhere. It just ended. The train tracks came through the middle of\ntown, but they didn't go anywhere. They just turn around and went, I mean, just\nwent back the other way to wherever it came from. If we went to catch a train,\nyou had to go to either Fitzgerald or Nahunta, Georgia. We used to go to\nNahunta, and it had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Nancy Hanks. We would get on in the afternoon like four\nand five in the afternoon and have a double bedroom, and my grandmother, my\nmother and my sister and I and go to Baltimore. We'd spend the night, get up,\nhave breakfast and then they would meet us in Baltimore at the train station\nbecause there really were no planes, you know, that people didn't fly. Plus, it\nwas, you know, in an automobile, it used to take us like hours and hours to come\nto ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta. Well, I can remember that, you know, the two-lane roads and if it\nwas traffic or bad weather or whatever. I mean, for a 200-mile trip, sometimes\nit would take you six or seven hours to get here. But we always stopped at the\nNew Perry Hotel in Perry, Georgia, because they had the best fried chicken and\nhomemade yeast rolls ever. So, we made it where we would get in the car and we\nwould make it so we got there right at lunchtime on our way to Atlanta so we\ncould ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stop at the New Perry Hotel, which is still there, by the way. I don't\nknow if they still have that good food, but that was sort of a ritual.\n\nBERMAN: If you were to describe yourself, if someone asked you to describe\nyourself, would you describe yourself first as Southern? What adjectives would\nyou use in importance? Southern? Jewish? I guess those are the two I'm really\ninterested ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in. Do you consider yourself more of a Southern girl, a Jewish girl?\n\nKATZ: Probably more southern. Yes. And you know, I probably, I have a lot, my\nuncle used to say, \"I'm just a Southern Jewish country merchant.\" And we were\nfrom the country, you know, we grew up in the country and we're proud of it. It\nwas never, you know, people, I can remember Pearl Ann Horowitz, Pearl Ann Golden\nthen, coming to Ocilla. She was my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friend at camp and is still my friend. She\nsaid, she just couldn't believe that she didn't even, the bus station, they just\nstopped the bus. You know, if she hadn't seen me standing there, she wouldn't\nknow where to get off. People couldn't believe we grew, we lived like that. We\nlived in this little town. Everybody knew when I first got married to Jerry. He\nsaid, \"Okay, I'm just going to walk down the street and say, 'Howdy,' because\neverybody knows who I am.\" And they did. We ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew everybody. You knew everybody's\nbusiness. You knew what everything was going on. But you also had that, I mean,\nthere were women when I was a child that would say, \"I'll never squeeze another\nlemon. Because when your mama got married, they had a thousand people in the\nmiddle of the yard at your grandma's house in August,\" August the 14th in 1938 -\nhot! South Georgia - hot! They had to get married in the high school auditorium\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they had people outside, couldn't get them all in there. The letters that I\nfound said, \"Oh, a small June wedding would be lovely.\" Well, it ended up, I\ndon't know how, but August with a thousand people. They squeezed so many lemons\nthey said, \"We'll never squeeze another lemon!\" So, you know, it was just a\nunique situation to grow up with people who, you know, good or bad things, they\nsupported you so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"heavily. When I was four years old, my mother was in Baltimore,\nshe'd been having some kidney problems and she was at Johns Hopkins. Devara and\nI were staying with my grandparents, and he wasn't feeling good. We used to\nsleep in a sleeping porch with them, with windows all the way around. They used\nto build on sleeping porches. They actually built down to this house like 10\ntimes. 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When they\nmoved the sofa in the living room and put the casket with my grandfather, that's\nthe first thing I remember about, you know, there he was, granddaddy was in the\ncasket in the living room, but they lit the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"candle and a man sat there all night\nand spent the night in the house. When my uncle passed away a couple of years\nlater, he was the doctor, he was only 36 years old, he had colon cancer and\ndiagnosed his own case, had three little children and left a 31-year-old wife\nwith those three children in Ocilla. And same thing, move the sofa and put the\ncasket in the house. 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I just thought, okay, you know, that's\nwhat you do.\n\nBERMAN: Why do you think for Southerners and for Jewish Southerners, as well as\nall Southerners, that region is so important?\n\nKATZ: You know, we had such a pride in where we lived and in our family and in\nour relatives and our friends ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I think that's probably the reason is just\nthat you were so proud. All my life, I heard how what an honor it was and how we\nneeded to cherish growing up in America, because even though my grandmother was\nborn in Baltimore and my first grandchild was the seventh, first of the seventh\ngeneration of the Bank family in America, which is a lot for Jewish ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people, but\nmy grandfather, you know, I think that he was already old enough that, and they\nknew what of hard time they had in a socialist country like Russia and how he\nwas always so proud to be an American. I heard that even as I got older, my\nuncle was a Marine and the other one was in the Army and it was always, you\nknow, God bless America. So, where we grew up and it was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"special, it was really special.\n\nBERMAN: You mentioned earlier that going back to Ocilla today is sometimes hard\nbecause the town is so changed. What is it like today?\n\nKATZ: There are no Jewish people in Ocilla at all. My aunt passed away last\nyear, Esther Stein Harris. 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So, a lot of that happened, and there's still a few people who still . .\n. but that congregation, I don't know how much longer it can last, which is\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really sad because you don't want to have the end of an era. But in actuality,\nit really is the end of an era down there of what used to be Jewish life. It's\nnot going to be that way much longer because the older people are not going to\nbe there and there's no support. We all chipped in. Everybody that had people\nburied or owned plots in Fitzgerald a few years back, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and everybody gave money\nand gave it to the Federation so that they would have an ongoing upkeep of the\ncemeteries. Because that's a thought, you have to think about it. Who's going to\ndo the upkeep on that cemetery if there's no congregants? So hopefully that will\nbe run and kept up, you know, forever. But who knows? I mean, you know, but my\nparents are there so, and my grandparents ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are in Valdosta. So, it's sort of sad\nthat everybody sort of spread out, you know, and that the town dwindled and\nthere's, those people don't even know what Jewish people are now, those rural\nAmericans, those Southerners, they really don't know what being Jewish is about.\nThat's really sad to me.\n\nBERMAN: Do you think there's any hope for any kind of resurrection of not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish\nlife so much, but small-town life in this, in not just the South, but throughout\nthe country?\n\nKATZ: I would love to think so. But at this point, what I've seen in all the\nlittle towns, Hawkinsville and Abbeville and you know, the ones, the only ones\nthat I've seen that have really progressed were like Tifton and Cordele because\nthey were on the interstate. If the interstate missed you, then you just dwindle\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down to nothing, you know, or unless you're on the coast like Savannah. But\nthose other in-betweens, the children grow up and there's nothing, no business\nfor them to be there. I mean, once in a while, you have somebody that'll become\nan attorney and go back because they need a doctor, they need a lawyer, they\nneed a dentist. But it's even hard for them when you have a small town of\n2,000-2,500 people to support the doctor. You know, the hospital has a really\nhard time ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"supporting itself, and it's a county hospital. It's called Irwin\nCounty Hospital, so it tries to get revenue, but it's difficult. Then Tifton has\na fairly nice medical center. Even some of the doctors from Atlanta, they do,\nwell now with the technology and you know, they can do a cardiogram and send it\nright to Atlanta. But you know, the little towns are just, I don't see that. I\ndon't see them. I see ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them dwindling more and more versus growing.\n\nBERMAN: Which is why memories like yours are so important to the Museum and for\nfuture generations. I'd like to conclude by just asking you to think a minute\nand tell me, if you can, what your fondest memories of growing up in a small\ntown, growing up in Ocilla.\n\nKATZ: I would have to say that, I mean, there's a lot of good memories, but I\nloved ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to my grandma's house. I love when I picked up pecans and she paid\nus five cents a pound and we thought we were working. We were little children,\nyou know, little. I love playing dress up. I mean, you know, they would give us\nthe scarves in the fur muffs and the hats and the high heel shoes. We played\ndress up in our house with our friends. I guess that carried through because\nwhen I became a fashion model, my sister said, \"You always did like to play\ndress up,\" and I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did. I think some of the other things was we would go to like\nthe primitive Baptist homecoming or foot washing, who never have a chance, a\nJewish person to go to a foot washing. But I remember that and much my children\ndon't know that. My children, fortunately, had the luck to go visit my mother a\nlot, and, you know, until she died. But my grandchildren don't have a clue ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about\nwhat that would be about, you know? We had such wonderful food. I mean, it was\nbig meals all the time, every day, you know, and it was salads and fried chicken\nand the homemade biscuits and rolls and desserts and that smell. I woke up every\nmorning at seven o'clock, seven and 7:30 in the morning. I smell dinner cooking.\nThat's what I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"smelled, that's when I woke up to. Is it going to be spaghetti?\nOr, you know, what is it going to be? Because I, you know, I smelled it. When I\nwas small and with dirt roads and, you know, the dust from that when the cars\nwould go by, and then finally, they paved some of the roads. It was like heaven.\nIt was wonderful. But we had pear trees and we had all kind of plums. We should\ngo out on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"highway or on the country roads and pick plums and bring them\nback, and grandma would make plum sauce or pear preserves. I just don't have\nthat anymore. I don't see it. It's like a lost art that this is what they used\nto do. Or driving around! What we used to just drive around in the afternoon\njust on a, if you wanted something to do, you drove around and people would be\non their porches, rocking in the rocking chair, shelling peas. It was a\ndifferent life. It ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was an easy, laid back, you know, calm, you know, traffic.\nWhat was traffic? We never had traffic. It was, you know, two red lights. The\ncamaraderie I think in a small town was so wonderful, you know, and I still keep\nup with a lot of my Ocilla friends. A lot of them live in Atlanta, and we had a\nfew that went on to be, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, one played baseball for the Cleveland Browns\nor Indians or whatever they were. We had a few that went on to do some really\nwonderful things. But like I said, you know, the President of the Confederacy\nwas captured in my county. So, my house was across the street from the\ncourthouse and all the Easter egg hunts we went to that they had at the\ncourthouse and climbing on the Jefferson Davis statue. We loved it. We played\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there all the time. So those are things that you just don't have in the city,\nthat you, people let their doors open and they, you know, you went in and out of\npeople's houses. It's just a whole different life now. You know?\n\nBERMAN: Well, on that note, I'd like to thank you very much for agreeing to\nparticipate in this project. This was wonderful and your memories will be at the\nBreman in perpetuity ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/transcript/36429/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"forever.\n\nKATZ: Great. I love it. Thanks!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5280.0,5310.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eMartha Jo Felson Katz is a native of Ocilla, Georgia. She is the daughter of Robert Felson and Annette Harris and the granddaughter of Abraham Simon (A.S.) Harris who settled in Ocilla, Georgia in about 1906.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Esther and Herbert Taylor Family Foundation supports The Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Collection at the Cuba Family Archives for Southern Jewish History at the Breman Museum in Atlanta, which consists of a thousand oral histories that document Jewish life in Georgia and Alabama. The Foundation was founded in 1983 and is administered by the Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum in Atlanta celebrates and commemorates Jewish history, culture, and art through events and museum spaces. The Breman also contains the Cuba Family Archives for Southern Jewish History, which houses thousands of manuscripts, oral histories, and photograph collections, related to southern Jewish history and the Holocaust.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe city of Ocilla is the county seat of Irwin County, Georgia and is part of the Fitzgerald Micropolitan Statistical Area.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eOdessa is a port city on the Black Sea in southern Ukraine. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAbraham “Abe” Simon Harris (1888-1946) was an immigrant from Russia who lived in Ocilla, Georgia and owned the A.S. Harris Department Store, the largest department store in Ocilla. He was the chairman of the war finance drives for Irwin County during World War II. He was also one of the founders of the Hebrew Commercial Alliance in Fitzgerald, Georgia. 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It was founded in the South in the 1860s and then died out and come back several times, most notably in the 1920s when membership soared again, and then again in the 1960s during the civil rights era. When the Klan was re-founded in 1915 in Georgia, the event was marked by a cross burning on Stone Mountain. In the past its members dressed up in white robes and a pointed hat designed to hide their identity and to terrify. 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He remains the only full-time rabbi ever to serve the congregation. Despite this decline in the number of Jews, the Fitzgerald Hebrew Congregation remains active. Since 1975, the congregation has brought in student rabbis from the Conservative Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. Currently, their JTS student rabbi comes to Fitzgerald once a month to lead services. (2021)\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/annotation_set/742/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eConfirmation is a coming-of-age ritual that originated in the Reform movement, which scorned the idea that at 13 years of age a child was an adult. 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What is it like today?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4714.0,5021.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/index/51681/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abbeville, South Carolina","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cordele, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fitzgerald, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hawkinsville, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Irwin County","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Irwin County Hospital","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ocilla, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Savannah, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tifton, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Walmart","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=4714.0,5021.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/index/51681/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fondest Memories of Growing Up in Ocilla","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5021.0,5283.779"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/index/51681/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to conclude by just asking you to think a minute and tell me, if you can, what your fondest memories of growing up in a small town, growing up in Ocilla.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5021.0,5283.779"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557/index/51681/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Home Cooking","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jefferson Davis Memorial Historic Site","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish Cooking","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ocilla, Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/71995/file/157557#t=5021.0,5283.779"}]}]}]}