{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/vt1gh9cw89/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Barnett, Virginia \"Ginger\" Rich"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1988-04-18 (created)","1988-05-04 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Rich, Virginia Barnett (Interviewee)","Schoenberg, Ann Hoffman (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eVirginia \"Ginger\" Rich Barnett was interviewed by Ann Hoffman Schoenberg on April 18 and May 4, 1988 in Atlanta, Georgia. \u003c/p\u003e (general)","\u003cp\u003eVirginia “Ginger” Rich Barnett was born in Atlanta, Georgia on April 16, 1934. She was the youngest daughter of Virginia Lazarus Rich and Richard H. Rich of the Rich’s Department Store Chain, established in Atlanta, Georgia in 1867. She had two siblings, Sally Rich Darling and Michael Rich. She was a major force in Georgia’s arts community for many years and played an instrumental role in the establishment of dance in the Southeast. Her career encompassed both ballet and modern dance. Her husband, dancer Robert J. Barnett, was Artistic Director Emeritus of the Atlanta Ballet. They had two sons, Robert J. Barnett, Jr., and David M. Barnett. \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eShe received her training with Dorothy Alexander in Atlanta at the Atlanta School of Ballet, in London, England at the Royal Ballet School, and in New York City at the School of American Ballet. She danced with the Atlanta Civic Ballet, later named the Atlanta Ballet, at the Radio City Music Hall and in an NBC television series under the direction of choreographer John Butler. In 1955, Barnett joined the New York City Ballet, working under the direction of George Balanchine and Jerome Robbins. She performed with the New York City Ballet and toured nationally and international for almost four years. She then returned to Atlanta to become Associate Director and Principal Dancer with the Atlanta Ballet.  In 1969, she left the Atlanta Ballet and teamed with Carl Ratcliff and Teena Stern to found the Carl Ratcliff Dance Theatre, the first modern dance company in the Southeastern United States. She remained there as Associate Director and Principal Dancer until 1994. She also taught at the Atlanta School of Ballet. She served on the dance panel for the Georgia Council for the Arts and the Fulton County Arts Council and Atlanta’s Bureau of Cultural Affairs. In 1975, the American Association of University Women presented Barnett with an Outstanding Leadership Award and in 1984, she received the Georgia Governor’s Award in the Arts, honoring her contributions to the art of dance. Barnett and her husband retired to live in Asheville, North Carolina, in 1996. Barnett died on July 9, 2016. \u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eVirginia Barnett begins by discussing her family history. She touches on the history of the Rich family, founders of Rich’s Department Store, and her father Richard “Dick” Rich. She talks about her early childhood and her earliest memories of dance and wanting to become a dancer. She discuses moving to New York City after high school to pursue a career in ballet. She details how she met her husband and how they decided to move to Atlanta after marriage to continue their dance careers and to raise a family. She expresses her views on religion and how her Jewish upbringing and background has affected her, especially in terms of philosophy. She reflects on the evolution of Atlanta from the 1940s through the 1980s, focusing on the cultural evolution of the city as well as her father’s involvement in the Atlanta community. She concludes by revisiting her discussion on how her Jewish upbringing affects her outlook on life and how she deals with antisemitism. \u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/29236"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Barnett, Virginia Rich, 1934-2016 (personal name)","Barnett, Robert James, 1925- (personal name)","Alexander, Dorothy, 1904-1986 (personal name)","Balanchine, George, 1904-1983 (personal name)","Barnett, Robert James, Jr., 1959- (personal name)","Barnett, David Michael, 1962- (personal name)","Lazarus, Emma, 1849-1887 (personal name)","Lazarus, Hilda Gradenheim (personal name)","Lazarus, Michael (personal name)","Marx, Davis, 1872-1962 (personal name)","Ratcliff, Carl (personal name)","Rich, Morris, 1847-1928 (corporate name)","Rich, Richard H., 1901-1975 (personal name)","Rich, Virginia Lazarus, 1908-1957 (personal name)","Rosenheim, Herman, 1876-1961 (personal name)","Rosenheim, Rosalind Rich, 1880-1961 (personal name)","Rothschild, Jacob Mortimer, 1911-1973 (personal name)","American Ballet--New York City, New York (corporate name)","Atlanta Ballet (corporate name)","Carl Ratcliff Dance Theatre (corporate name)","Christ the King High School (corporate name)","Georgia State University (corporate name)","Georgia Institute of Technology (corporate name)","Harvard University--School of Law (corporate name)","High Museum of Art (corporate name)","Lovett School (corporate name)","Metropolitan Atlanta Regional Transit Authority (corporate name)","New York City Ballet (corporate name)","Radio City Music Hall (New York, N.Y.) (corporate name)","Rich's Department Store (corporate name)","Royal Ballet. School (corporate name)","School of American Ballet (corporate name)","Standard Club (corporate name)","The Temple (Atlanta, Ga.) (corporate name)","Theatre Under the Stars (corporate name)","Westminster School (corporate name)","New Orleans (La.) (geographic term)","New York City (N.Y.) 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She was a major force in Georgia\u0026rsquo;s arts community for many years and played an instrumental role in the establishment of dance in the Southeast. Her career encompassed both ballet and modern dance. Her husband, dancer Robert J. Barnett, was Artistic Director Emeritus of the Atlanta Ballet. They had two sons, Robert J. Barnett, Jr., and David M. Barnett.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eShe received her training with Dorothy Alexander in Atlanta at the Atlanta School of Ballet, in London, England at the Royal Ballet School, and in New York City at the School of American Ballet. She danced with the Atlanta Civic Ballet, later named the Atlanta Ballet, at the Radio City Music Hall and in an NBC television series under the direction of choreographer John Butler. In 1955, Barnett joined the New York City Ballet, working under the direction of George Balanchine and Jerome Robbins. She performed with the New York City Ballet and toured nationally and international for almost four years. She then returned to Atlanta to become Associate Director and Principal Dancer with the Atlanta Ballet. \u0026nbsp;In 1969, she left the Atlanta Ballet and teamed with Carl Ratcliff and Teena Stern to found the Carl Ratcliff Dance Theatre, the first modern dance company in the Southeastern United States. She remained there as Associate Director and Principal Dancer until 1994. She also taught at the Atlanta School of Ballet. She served on the dance panel for the Georgia Council for the Arts and the Fulton County Arts Council and Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s Bureau of Cultural Affairs. In 1975, the American Association of University Women presented Barnett with an Outstanding Leadership Award and in 1984, she received the Georgia Governor\u0026rsquo;s Award in the Arts, honoring her contributions to the art of dance. Barnett and her husband retired to live in Asheville, North Carolina, in 1996. Barnett died on July 9, 2016.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eVirginia Barnett begins by discussing her family history. She touches on the history of the Rich family, founders of Rich\u0026rsquo;s Department Store, and her father Richard \u0026ldquo;Dick\u0026rdquo; Rich. She talks about her early childhood and her earliest memories of dance and wanting to become a dancer. She discuses moving to New York City after high school to pursue a career in ballet. She details how she met her husband and how they decided to move to Atlanta after marriage to continue their dance careers and to raise a family. She expresses her views on religion and how her Jewish upbringing and background has affected her, especially in terms of philosophy. She reflects on the evolution of Atlanta from the 1940s through the 1980s, focusing on the cultural evolution of the city as well as her father\u0026rsquo;s involvement in the Atlanta community. She concludes by revisiting her discussion on how her Jewish upbringing affects her outlook on life and how she deals with antisemitism.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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What shall I call you?\n\nBARNETT: Ginger.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Ginger, as I indicated to you earlier, I would like to start at the\nbeginning of your family, as best you know it. Can you give me some information\nabout how your father's family came to the United States. First of all, give\nyour entire maiden name.\n\nBARNETT: My maiden name is Virginia Gleaves Rich. I was named ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after my mother,\nwho was Virginia Gleaves, who was named after her grandfather's sister, who was\nVirginia Gleaves. My father's family is . . . I don't know the years, but it was\nhis grandfather who was sent over as a very young boy from Hungary. Apparently,\nthe family, for some reason, wanted to get to the United States. They had, I\nthink, six children. They sent the oldest and the youngest first. They stayed\nthere with the other children. Then a few years later they sent the next the\nnext oldest and the next youngest. My grandfather, who was Morris Rich, great\ngrandfather, was the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"youngest of the two first brothers who came and I don't\nknow the year that they came. All of my great grandparents, as far as I know,\nwere the generation that came to this country. I am not sure of the dates when\nall of them came. My maternal grandparents were I know . . . I know the three\nbackgrounds were Portuguese, German, and Hungarian.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now your mother's maiden name was . . .\n\nBARNETT: Lazarus.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And she was from where?\n\nBARNETT: New Orleans [Louisiana].\n\nSCHOENBERG: And her mother's maiden name?\n\nBARNETT: Gradenheim. Hilda Gradenheim. Her father, of course, was Lazarus.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What business ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was her father in?\n\nBARNETT: Her father was a lawyer, and his father was a judge, so that was a\nfamily of lawyers. Of course, my paternal family were merchants.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, rather well-known merchants. Especially to those of us who live\nin Atlanta.\n\nBARNETT: Right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: When was the store [Rich's] founded?\n\nBARNETT: Eighteen sixty-seven.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That date you did know.\n\nBARNETT: That date I did know. I heard it all of my life. An institution, an\nAtlanta institution since . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you remember ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your grandparents?\n\nBARNETT: Oh very, very well. We spent a great deal of time with my maternal\ngrandparents, the Lazaruses, as children. We went for holidays. We spent . . . I\nremember having wonderful memories of real grandparents. In fact, my mother's\nbrother still lives in that house in New Orleans. I remember them quite well. My\ngrandfather was a real scholar, and we were all slightly scared of him because\nhe spoke so fast. He was so brilliant. He graduated from Harvard Law at sixteen.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And what year was that? This is your grandfather?\n\nBARNETT: That was my Grandpa Lazarus.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandfather.\n\nBARNETT: Right, Grandfather Lazarus. My mother was born in 1908 so it would have\nbeen in the 1890's. He spoke so quickly. His mind went so fast that we couldn't\nunderstand it half of the time. We really listened so closely to see what the\nquestion was. He was greatly into education and what our grades were and what we\nwere studying.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was he also affectionate?\n\nBARNETT: He was a little bit awesome to us so I don't know that 'affectionate'\nwould be the word, though we all adored him. We all really loved him. My\ngrandmother was very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"affectionate. She was a real grandmother.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you have any special memories of her in particular? Instances or\ntimes or events that happened that concerned that grandmother, Grandmother Lazarus?\n\nBARNETT: Well, she was a wonderful cook and in New Orleans that's an easy thing\nto be. She was very involved with our studies and our homework. I can remember\nher when we were in New Orleans, especially the half a year that we spent during\nthe war when Daddy was in the Air Force, really going over our homework ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"every\nnight. Grades were very important to her and how we were doing in school but in\na warm, affectionate, loving way. She was very patient, and I don't think ever\nin my life I have seen a relationship like the two of them had. She absolutely\nadored the ground that he walked on and did anything to make him happy, every\nsingle day of her life. I think they really had a beautifully loving\nrelationship until they were both quite old. He died before she did.\n\nSCHOENBERG: How did they meet? Did she ever tell you?\n\nBARNETT: No, I don't remember. She might have.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: I wondered if it was perhaps an arranged . . . Was it an arranged\nmarriage or was it not an arranged marriage?\n\nBARNETT: No, I don't think it was an arranged marriage. There were six children\nin each family. And I don't know what the Jewish population in New Orleans was\nat that time, but it probably wasn't tremendous, so I am sure that there was a\nnucleus of families that knew one another and got together. But I don't know how\nthey met.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And your grandparents Rich?\n\nBARNETT: Actually, my great-grandfather was a Rich, was Morris Rich who founded\nRich's. His daughter Rosalind Rich was Daddy's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mother; and his father was Herman\nRosenheim. Daddy, when he graduated from college, took his grandfather's name\nback because he knew he was going into the store. He was not real mad about his\nfather, and he adored his grandfather.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Tell me more.\n\nBARNETT: I really don't know the whole story, but it is an interesting story in\nthat my paternal grandparents lived the last thirty years of their lives, thirty\nor more years of their lives, never divorced but separated. He loved ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Florida and\nshe loved Atlanta. So, he lived in Florida, and she lived in Atlanta, and they\nvisited back and forth. I can remember him here many times. He was a poet, not\nby profession but he had a couple of books published.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And his name again. His first name?\n\nBARNETT: Herman Rosenheim. Daddy of course was born Richard Rosenheim and took\nhis grandfather's name. It seemed to be a perfectly pleasant relationship but\nobviously not a great love affair or they would not have chosen to live that\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way. I adored my paternal grandmother also. We called her WaWee. Her name was\nRosalind, and some grandchild couldn't pronounce Rosalind and WaWee came out, so\nshe was always WaWee to us. She was the kind of person that kept up with\neverything that was going on at every age. I used to have dates in high school,\nand they would say \"Let's go up and see WaWee before we go out.\" I mean they\njust loved to go up there and talk. She loved young people. She watched\ntelevision. She read. She was just up on every generation's thing and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always had\nfood, always offering people whenever we walked in. She was a real Jewish\ngrandmother, although she really wasn't.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now what do you mean by that? She was but she wasn't?\n\nBARNETT: She was not in any way religious and was not involved at all in The\nTemple or to my knowledge in any Jewish organization.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Not in the Jewish community?\n\nBARNETT: Not in the Jewish community.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Not socially?\n\nBARNETT: Not that I know of. She had terrible arthritis so in the last\ntwenty-five years of her life she was pretty much stuck in a chair and didn't go\nout very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much, so everybody came to her, and she just held court.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you know if during her earlier years she had had mostly Jewish\nfriends or non-, or whether she had both?\n\nBARNETT: No, I think she had mostly Jewish friends.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay.\n\nBARNETT: I never remember any discussion even on the High Holy Days that I ever\nhave any association with her at all.\n\nSCHOENBERG: She was not at The Temple?\n\nBARNETT: She was not at The Temple at all. Mother's parents were quite religious\nand very involved with the temple.\n\nSCHOENBERG: In New Orleans?\n\nBARNETT: In New Orleans.\n\nSCHOENBERG: But had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Morris Rich generation been involved with the Jewish community?\n\nBARNETT: I don't know. I would guess so. I would think so. I mean when you come\nfrom Hungary you had that background -- I would very much guess so. Though the\nnext generation certainly wasn't because Daddy wasn't at all. He was a member of\nThe Temple, supported The Temple, was a member of the Standard Club because it\nwas a part of Atlanta and a part of something that he thought was a very\nimportant part of the community. But I think he did it more from a community\nbase than he did actually from a religious base, unlike my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maternal grandparents\nwho were quite religious. And we were all . . . well, my sister and I were both\nconfirmed in The Temple. My brother wasn't. He just chose not to go to Sunday\nSchool about in the fourth grade.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Have you maintained ties in Judaism?\n\nBARNETT: Not really. I think probably of my friends, about half and half [are\nJewish]. So many of my associates are in the dance world and what they are, what\ncolor they are, what religion they are is so unimportant. It is what they have\naccomplished or are in the process of accomplishing that is important to them.\nSo, I would say probably that of my acquaintances that I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"see on a regular basis\nthat it is about half and half. And I don't practice Judaism as a religion\nbecause I don't practice anything as a religion. I have a lot of beliefs very\nstrongly based in Judaism but also in the Eastern religions.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you want to enlarge on that a little?\n\nBARNETT: Well, I've done a lot of work with meditation and hypnosis and\nreincarnation. I'm fascinated with the whole concept of reincarnation and what\nwe come here with and the purposes that we are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here, feeling very much like we\nare in control of our own lives or are responsible for our actions. I think most\nreligions have a tendency to take a little bit of that away. And having been\nthrough my early years at the Temple and then . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: This was under Dr. [David] Marx?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, and Rothschild, Jacob Rothschild. Actually, Rabbi Rothschild\nconfirmed me. Dr. Marx had . . . He had high school age, and my mother thought\nit would be very healthy for us to have a broader base ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of knowledge,\nreligious-wise, and the school situation [inaudible] was not wonderful. The\neducational situation was not wonderful, and so she sent us to a Catholic High\nSchool. And I really learned a great deal about Judaism through Catholicism\nbecause, of course, at the beginning of Catholicism, you had to go . . . It all\ncame right from Judaism, so I really got a pretty broad base and felt perfectly\ncomfortable in both areas, though, that is not a religion, needless to say, that\nI could ever follow.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I just wondered. I looked at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your biographical sketch and noticed\nthat you had had some years at the Lovett School, which is Episcopal based.\n\nBARNETT: It wasn't then. The Lovett School that I went to was, in later years,\ncalled \"Little Lovett,\" when the big Lovett School that is now . . . It is a\nlittle white schoolhouse on West Wesley Road. Five people graduated from that\nseventh-grade class. There were five us in the class. It was a tiny little school.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Are all five still in Atlanta?\n\nBARNETT: I don't know. No, I know one of them isn't because my very dearest\nfriend lives in New York.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And what friend is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that?\n\nBARNETT: Ellen Burke was her name. She is now Ellen Hallman [sp], and we still\nare dear, dear, dear friends, from the second grade straight through high school.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What is she doing in New York?\n\nBARNETT: She is the head of a Jewish foundation that helps place less fortunate\npeople in jobs. I should know the name of the foundation, but it has just\nslipped my mind. It is a volunteer job, but she is brilliant and wonderful and .\n. .\n\nSCHOENBERG: But not in the Arts?\n\nBARNETT: But not in the Arts.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Just curious.\n\nBARNETT: No, never has been, loves them but is not involved in them.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, to go back to . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, tell me a little more about your having\ngone to Christ the King, the high school that you went to. The reason I ask that\nis: Were there no other private high schools available?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, there were two other private high schools available. One was NAPS.\nWhich is North Avenue Presbyterian School, and Washington Seminary, both of\nwhich my mother thought were rather snobby, very social. She really thought that\nChrist the King would not only give us the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"broader education in terms of\nreligions, but she thought, a cross-section of society because, even though it\nwas a private school, a parochial school, it was still a cross-mixture of the\npoor and the rich and the black and white. She was more interested in that. She\nwas really a liberal. She was a woman way ahead of her time.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's what I was trying to get to.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, definitely.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I wanted you to tell me a little something about what kind of a\nperson she was.\n\nBARNETT: She was brilliant and beautiful and warm and kind, and I don't know\nanybody that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ever knew her who didn't love her. I have never heard anybody who\ndidn't just miss her every day. People who knew her a little felt like they knew\nher a lot. She was particularly a wonderful mother to me because I was her\nfavorite child, and she made no bones about saying so in front of anybody.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Including your brother and sister?\n\nBARNETT: Including my brother and sister.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What did that do to the sibling relationship?\n\nBARNETT: Well actually, amazingly enough, and we talk about this now because we\nare very, very close the three of us. It is amazing that it didn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do tremendous\nharm because it was so . . . I mean, I would walk into a room and mommy would\nsay \"Oh, there's my Ginger,\" and she would just light up. We were very, very\nclose. She was warm and affectionate and loving to all of us, but it was always\nsomething special and she said from the moment I was put in her arms in the\nhospital, she knew that there was something special about me, and it was just\nsomething she could never explain. She used to say, \"I love all of you exactly\nthe same but there is just something special about my Ginger.\" Having had\nchildren now, I just can't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"imagine doing that. It sounds so insensitive and so\nterrible but somehow the way she did it . . . I don't know. At the time it never\nreally affected me in thinking about how it was affecting them. But having been\na mother, I really do wonder.\n\nSCHOENBERG: In retrospect?\n\nBARNETT: In retrospect very definitely, and yet Sally and Michael and I get\ntogether and talk about it and laugh about it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do either of your siblings live here?\n\nBARNETT: My brother lives here part time. He did live here. He was working at\nRich's until he retired. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He now spends his summers in Lake Placid [New York] and\nhis winters in Vail [Colorado]. And he spends about six weeks of the year in\nAtlanta. And I really miss him. He's here right now.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is he married?\n\nBARNETT: No, he has been married twice and has four children from his first\nmarriage, all of whom are grown. The youngest is now in college.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Are they involved in the Jewish community?\n\nBARNETT: No. Actually, Michael . . . The first wife that Michael married, the\nmother of his children, was Presbyterian and she did not want to bring them ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up\nin the Jewish religion. And he very much wanted to have them have a religious\neducation and he thought it would be healthier if they went together as a\nfamily, so he joined the Presbyterian Church. They were all brought up as Presbyterians.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do they live here? Do the children live here?\n\nBARNETT: One of the children at the moment lives here.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was just curious if some of the generations are continuing in the community.\n\nBARNETT: In the community? Ginny, the one that is married, another Virginia, is\nliving in Albany [New York] at the moment. Her husband is in med school. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And\nDickson [sp], who is Daddy's namesake, is in San Diego [California] in college,\nand Peter is in Colorado in college. So, they may end up back here. They\nprobably will. I think Peter will.\n\nSCHOENBERG: How about your sister?\n\nBARNETT: My sister married at eighteen right out of high school and moved to . .\n. married a New York boy and moved to New York.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What is her married name?\n\nBARNETT: Her married name was then Rose.\n\nSCHOENBERG: This is Sally?\n\nBARNETT: Sally, yes. Sally Rose. And her three children were all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Roses. She\nmarried a second time to a Doctor Adolph. And she just last month got married\nfor the third time to Richard Darling. So, she is now Sally Darling. And she\nlives in Tucson, Arizona. Her son with his two children live there. She has one\ndaughter that lives in Chicago, temporarily I hope because she would very much\nlike to live in Atlanta, was living in Atlanta until she got married. Her\nhusband is in school in Chicago. Her third child is living in Philadelphia\n[Pennsylvania] and is an architect. And it looks like she might be marrying an\narchitect. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Indistinct]\n\nSCHOENBERG: And your own sons?\n\nBARNETT: My own sons both live here in Atlanta and I think will forever. They\nlove Atlanta. Nothing could get them out of Atlanta. I have tried to even get\nthem to go to school and to do things outside of Atlanta and they end up back\nagain. Robbie, at the moment, is working for First Investors as a stockbroker\npart, on a commission basis, and Rich's part time.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And how old is he?\n\nBARNETT: He is 21, was just 21. David is just 26 and he has his own business.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Commercial music, a management recording business.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where did they go to school?\n\nBARNETT: Robbie went to . . . Well, they both went to Georgia State for a while\nthen Robbie went to Florida to flight school and that was not very successful.\n\nSCHOENBERG: He wanted to be a commercial pilot?\n\nBARNETT: Yes. So, he came back here, and I said, \"Okay Buddy, you are on your\nown now. You had two chances.\" So, he went to work, and he didn't finish school.\nDavid was at Georgia ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"State and almost got his degree -- they had a new degree at\nthe time in commercial music with the business management primary degree -- and\ncame up with a little bout with cancer when he was 23 right before he graduated.\nSo, he dropped out of school, needless to say, to take care of that and decided,\nI think, at 22 having had a touch of what mortality was all about that he was\ngoing out in the world and live a little bit and find out what he needed to go\nto school for if he did. He started his own business and has been so successful\nthat he never went back to get his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"degree. And he is fine.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Obviously that was the main question.\n\nBARNETT: He is absolutely fine.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Health-wise?\n\nBARNETT: He's in good shape. That was four and a half years ago, and we are not\ngoing to have any more of that.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well now, tell me about your own life.\n\nBARNETT: My own life has been almost perfect. I was born here in Atlanta.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What hospital?\n\nBARNETT: I think at Emory. I meant to look that up for you in my baby book\nbecause that's the only place it is recorded, I mean that I have that it is\nrecorded. I am pretty sure that it was at Emory.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is your baby book ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"completely filled up too because your mama was\nvery careful about that?\n\nBARNETT: Yes. With every first word I said. The first word actually that she\nsaid came out of my mouth and that has been coming out ever since and gets me in\na lot of trouble she said most babies say 'Mama' and 'Dada' and 'Bye-bye' she\nsaid I looked up one day with my big blue eyes and said \"Why?\" and I never\nstopped asking and it got me in trouble all the way through school and it still\ngets me in trouble.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's all right. I think that it's a legitimate question.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, I think it is too. Give me a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reason and I will do whatever you say\nif I agree with it. Where were we? I was born at Emory. I started dancing when I\nwas three years old. I guess a lot of little girls are sent to dancing school. I\ndon't remember but Mom said that from the very first lesson I ever took that all\nI ever talked about in between that once a week was \"Is today the day I go to\ndancing? Is today the day I go to dancing?\" I don't remember that until I was\nabout seven or eight. I remember definitely at eight years old someone asking me\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what I wanted to be when I grew up and my saying, \"I am going to be a dancer.\" I\nmean, it wasn't what I wanted to do, it was what I was going to do. I never\nveered from that for one moment. I had a perfectly normal childhood and school\nlife and family life, but it was always with one thing in mind and that was to\nbe a dancer. So, I really knew at a very early age and was directed straight\nthrough my life with that.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you ever get any negative vibes from your family about that?\n\nBARNETT: Oh yes, I think Mom was really the buffer for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that, mostly. I didn't\nget so much but we used to talk about it, and she used to say that especially my\ngrandparents, her parents, thought that we should all go to the best colleges\nand the best everything. She really buffered for me, but I know there was a lot\nof negative. And I think Daddy to a degree although I never felt any of that. I\nthink Daddy always thought it was a passing fancy and like all little girls,\nonce they had gotten in high school and then college, you know, it would go its\nown way. So, he never tried to stop it, knowing that that would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably make it\nworse. I can remember probably two or three times saying . . . so there must\nhave been a negative conversation though I have conveniently blocked it out . .\n. \"It doesn't matter whether you all want me to do this or not anyway. You might\nas well know that I am going to do it with or without you. And if you try to\nstop me, I will just go off and do it by myself. \" I would have left home in a\nminute; in my mind I would have. And I think they really believed that. I was\nreally born, I suppose, born independent. I just knew what I wanted and I went\nout and did what I wanted to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do. Luckily, I never wanted to do anything bad. I\nwas really a very good child. I never got in trouble. My sister and brother were\nboth here last weekend, and we were sitting around talking about so many\npunishments and troubles that they got into. And they did get into so much\ntrouble. They were so bad.\n\nSCHOENBERG: For instance?\n\nBARNETT: Not bad trouble. You know, taking the car out. Typical teenage fun\nthings, sneaking out the back door after they had gone to bed, saying they were\ngoing to somebody's house to spend the night and not spending it there. Things\nthat of course my children did, and most normal children did, but not me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was\n\"Miss Goody-goody,\" and not for any reason other than it just didn't interest me\nto be bad. As long as they let me go to the studio and nothing got in the way of\nthat, I wasn't going to rock the boat. My grades were par excellence all the way\nthrough school. I was so afraid that if I had anything less than an A, that\nsomebody would say \"If you weren't spending so much time at the studio . . .\"\nSo, I never let them have that. I mean everything I just kept so that nothing\nwould get in the way of that. I suppose there were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"instances. I can remember a\nvery unpleasant instance when my sister was getting married on a Saturday night\nand mother said that I had to be home that day. And the wedding wasn't going to\nbe until eight and I saw no reason whatsoever why I couldn't go to rehearsal and\nbe home by six. Why did I have to be home all . . . We had a violent screaming\nargument about why I couldn't go to rehearsal from twelve to six and then come\nto the wedding. And she said there are things you need to help around the house.\nThere were those kind of typical family things.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Tell me what you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember about your dad?\n\nBARNETT: Well, I remember him being very kind, very busy. He left the house\nevery single morning at the same time eight, eight-thirty and came home at the\nsame time between five-thirty and six.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was he as directed as you?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, he was definitely as directed as I, yes. Definitely. He was\ndedicated to the store and, almost more than to Rich's, to the city. He really\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a dedicated, committed human being without question. And of course, the\nyears that he was building his own career both as a merchant and as a city\nleader were the years that we were growing up, those 15 years or 12 years' time\nso he wasn't terribly involved in our lives. I remember him every night at the\ndinner table and very pleasant and I was always very appreciative of and\nadmiring of what he was doing but he didn't have a tremendous day-to-day ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"impact\non our lives.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was he interested?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, he was interested. He came to performances. He helped me with my\nAlgebra when I had trouble. Yes, he was there at night to help with homework,\nbut he wasn't the kind of father that a lot of fathers are today. I think he was\na very typical father probably at the time. He was a very busy, ambitious\nfather. I can remember Mother saying that she never . . . when I, you would say\nto her, \"You don't have to ask Daddy.\" She would say, \"I will have to speak with\nyour ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father,\" if I asked her something. I would say, \"You make all the\ndecisions.\" She would say, \"Oh Virginia, you are very wrong. We discuss every\ndecision that is made. I just have to relay it to you.\" So, he was involved. He\nknew our friends. He made rules.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you have curfews?\n\nBARNETT: We had curfews that my sister never kept, and I always did.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Who did you date growing up? Did you have special beaus?\n\nBARNETT: I had several special beaus, all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish. I only dated Jewish boys\nexcept for one in the eighth grade who later became . . . at Christ the King . .\n. who later became a priest and then committed suicide. So, I thought I didn't\ndo him any favors, but you know an eighth-grade romance in that time is not\nreally very serious. I dated [indistinct], Jay Martin in high school. Then Bob\nGerson, Billy Oppenheim, and other people sort of in between. Those would be the ones . . . \n\nSCHOENBERG: Those were the ones at Tech . . . those are the few who you dated more\nthan others?\n\nBARNETT: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, more seriously. There was one boy who was going to [Georgia] Tech\nthat I dated for a while and my best friend was dating his best friend, Ellen,\nso the four of us were pals.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That was a big thing in high school for Atlanta girls to go out with\nthe Georgia Tech boys.\n\nBARNETT: Tech boys, absolutely. Absolutely. Actually, I didn't date anybody my\nown age after about the ninth grade. From then on, I was dating boys in college,\nat Tech. Going to fraternity parties. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I didn't love it. I really never loved\nthat whole aspect of social chit-chat and nonsense. It was something that . . .\nI didn't hate it, but it wasn't all important to me.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You were always looking for something with more depth?\n\nBARNETT: Something with more depth. My life is so complete. I love to read. I\nlove the family. I love being at home and I love being at the studio, and school\nand studying. I just thought that whole scene was so silly. I did it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because it\nwas expected of me, because I thought I should do it. Mommy kept saying I should\n[indistinct] my life. So, I did it, but I did it not because I really wanted to.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Then you graduated from high school?\n\nBARNETT: Graduated from high school and left the next day for New York. Started\nstudying at the School of American Ballet where I had studied in the summers\npreviously and had one thing in mind and that was to get into New York City\nBallet. There were a lot of little odd ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"jobs in New York. I did a lot of stuff at\nthe Y [YMCA], the 97th Street Y.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Dancing?\n\nBARNETT: Dancing things. The young choreographers just wanted bodies to work on\n. . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Not on, with.\n\nBARNETT: With. That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I hope with.\n\nBARNETT: That's right with. With. [crosstalk] Okay it's better that way.\nProbably you don't get the truth all the time.\n\nSCHOENBERG: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't really think that that's needed for posterity and if\nyou want to pass that along you will somehow. But you . . . Excuse me I\ninterrupted you.\n\nBARNETT: That's all right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You were working and doing odd jobs such as dancing at the 97th\nStreet Y . . .\n\nBARNETT: At the Music Hall.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you do the Rockettes routine?\n\nBARNETT: The Rockettes Routine. I did the whole thing for experience . . .\nanything for experience that came along. I went to all the Broadway auditions.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you ever get in a Broadway show?\n\nBARNETT: I never got in a Broadway show. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody told me that I looked too\nmuch like a classical dancer. If I would dye my hair, if I would bleach my hair\nblonde or do this or do that and I said, \"No, what you see is what you get. And\nif you don't want it then that's okay.\" But I thought the experience of\nauditioning was good so I would just get the Variety Magazine every week and see\nwhat auditions were up and just go to auditions. It never really mattered to me\nwhether I got it or not. What mattered was to get in New York City Ballet.\nEverything I did was for the experience of, was furthering myself. Enriching\nmyself more than \"furthering\" because I don't think all those things would be\nfurthering my career, but I think they helped me grow as a person.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"take drama as well?\n\nBARNETT: I took a little drama, but I was so shy that speaking was not my thing.\nI am really sorry now because my secret ambition is to do an acting part and I\nkeep saying, \"I am going now to start taking voice lessons, that's one thing to\nget rid of the Southern accent.\" But I didn't really take advantage of that. I\ndid however take advantage of everything that New York had to offer. There was\none year that I had seen every seen every show on and off Broadway that was\nplaying. I went to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"museums. There was nothing that, given the time and the\nopportunity, that I wouldn't do. There was even a year that I got very selfish\nand when guys would call me up for a date, I would only go out if we went\nsomewhere either to a show or to the ballet or to the symphony or to the opera.\nIf they didn't want to do that then I didn't want . . . I wouldn't go, because I\ndidn't have that much free time . . . And I had gone to New York enough so that\nI was comfortable and fortunately I had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"support from Daddy that I could do that.\nHowever, once I got my first job at the Music Hall, I can remember writing home\nand saying, \"Okay, no more now. I need to prove to myself that I can support\nmyself.\" And all of my friends, of course, were working in doughnut shops at\nnight so they could take class in the daytime. I lived with them so I would live\nwherever they could afford to live and really did live on my own from then on.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Financially.\n\nBARNETT: Financially.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You didn't have any trust funds?\n\nBARNETT: I did but I wouldn't take anything from it. No, I refused to take it.\nDaddy kept saying, \"But you are not eating right.\" And I said \"You just put it\naway somewhere. If you want to give it to me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"later that's all right. Right now,\nI do not want it.\" And it is not the same, I have discovered. You can't really\nfeel the kind of independence that I wanted to feel because there is a\ndifference knowing it was there if I needed it. I knew I was not going to be\nhungry. However, I lived in some pretty grubby places. Five-story walkups in\nterrible sections of New York. But that's where my friends could afford to live\nand that's where I wanted to be, so.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I would imagine at that point that your parents were somewhat . . .\n\nBARNETT: Upset.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Upset, yes.\n\nBARNETT: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somewhat upset. Not about the values that I was trying to live by, but\nthe dangers. They were full of panic about the dangers and I did live in a\ncouple of pretty dangerous areas. When I look back now, I don't know why I\nwasn't scared except that I was going through my very rebellious independent age\nof proving that I could . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Besides you were young and . . .\n\nBARNETT: Young and foolish.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Thought you were immortal.\n\nBARNETT:That's right, as we all do at that age.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Fortunately, you never had any bad experiences in New York?\n\nBARNETT: I never had a bad experience.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Good.\n\nBARNETT: And that is part of my whole philosophy of today. I think you give off\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"auras that people don't cross. And I must have had enough confidence in myself\nto put that off. I really do believe, because I was in some pretty dangerous\nsituations and never got in even a little bit of trouble that I have any\nremembrance of . I think I would remember it. I never even felt endangered.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And some of your experiences?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, I can remember walking home one night. It was 86th Street West,\nUptown. At the time it was Little Puerto Rico . . . with knifings going on. I\nwalked by in time to see a guy knife another guy in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back. I mean he was two\nfeet from me. I just kept on walking. It could have easily been me or\naccidentally me. Screaming, I can remember hearing once I got up to my\nfive-story walk-up. And when I think now of walking up those steps, and of\ncourse often it was eleven or twelve o'clock at night because the theater didn't\nget out until that late, coming home that late by myself at night. Subways. New\nYork was a little different then than it is now, but it was still not the safest\nplace. It was the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1950s.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Tell me about your dancing experience.\n\nBARNETT: Oh, it was . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now the real meat.\n\nBARNETT: Okay, now the real me. Getting back to the School of American Ballet\nwhich is the school directly affiliated with the New York City Ballet. I studied\nthere; I took four classes a day.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You were not a scholarship student?\n\nBARNETT: There were no such things as scholarships in those days. Not anybody .\n. . I guess there were a few people that they probably just let come in free but\nthey didn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"even call them scholarships and there was no scholarship program\nthat was funded by . . . like the Ford Foundation or the National Endowment. The\nschool at the time was at 59th and Madison and I spent my life there. I was\nreally there most of every single day and worked my way up into sort of an\nintermediate level even though I was really at that point in Atlanta a\nprofessional dancer and had gotten paid to do things. You know, it was like\ngoing from a freshman in high school to a . . . I mean a senior in high school\nto a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"freshman in college. It took me three years to get into the New York City Ballet.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you always know that you were good?\n\nBARNETT: I am not sure that I knew that I was good. I am not sure those were the\nthoughts that I had. I knew I had something to say and that I could make an\naudience feel what I was feeling. I knew that there was something that I could\ngive an audience. Physically, strangely enough, I wasn't built ideally for\nballet. When people tell you, \"You have got the perfect ballet body.\" I said,\n\"It is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man-made.\" It really . . . I mean, I reshaped my body. I went to a\ntrainer in New York as well as working in class every day. I took jazz classes.\nI took Modern classes. I took every form of dance that I could possibly take.\nCharacter, Spanish. I knew I was good, I guess, because all the way through my\nyounger years, I had been so encouraged by every teacher and everybody I went\nto. I know I was above average. I was not [inaudible] but I knew that I was\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"certainly above the average ballet student and that I was going to have a\nspecial career. When I would take modern classes the teachers would say, \"You\nshouldn't be a ballet dancer, you were a born modern dancer. You move too fully\nto be a ballet . . . You shouldn't be in the ballet . . .\" I would say, \"No, I\nam going to get in the New York City Ballet.\" Of course, now, as you probably\nknow I am a full-blooded modern dancer.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And when did you make that switch?\n\nBARNETT: I made that switch right after David was born. Carl Ratcliff came to\nAtlanta from California and Dorothy Alexander, who had been directing the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta Ballet and was my teacher earlier, called up one day and said she had\nseen this man who had just come from California, and we had to come over to the\nstudio. He was going to do a showing of some of his works, solos that's he'd\ndone all himself just to show the kind of . . . There was no modern in Atlanta\nat all, very traditional [indistinct]. I was eight months pregnant with David,\nout to here. I walked in the studio and sat down and saw Carl do these three\nsolos that he worked on and just died. I thought \"I have got to do this. I have\ngot to try this.\" I have never had such a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kinetic reaction. So, as soon as I had\nDavid and finished nursing, I got back to the studio. As a matter of fact, I was\nthinking about stopping dancing at that point, I thought I wanted six children,\nand just go into teaching and directing the company. And he really somewhat\nchanged my life about not having anymore . . .You know, going in and starting\nwhole new career. It was like starting a whole new career all over again. It has\nbeen a very productive, really a wonderful partnership.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What does Modern do for you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that ballet didn't?\n\nBARNETT: It is on a more human level. It is much easier with the modern . . .\nBallet is a classical technique. It is like the classic Greek sculptures or the\nBalinese. It is very constricted. There was always a frustration in me when I\nsaw for instance \"Romeo and Juliet\". Juliet got out of bed in the love scene\nwith pointe shoes on. I thought, \"As much as I love my pointe shoes, I don't go\nto bed with them on.\" I always thought how wonderful that would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be if she would\njust get up in a nightgown barefooted with her hair down. There was always\nsomething dramatically that was not there in ballet for me that I was frustrated\n[with] and yet I kept trying to find it. Carl recognized that quality in me\nimmediately and started setting dramatic work for me, which is really the area\nthat . . . I never wanted to be a Swan Queen. I wanted to do the dramatic roles.\nThat is really what I have ended up being is a dramatic dancer.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Which all ties in with your latent desire to be an actress.\n\nBARNETT: My secret desire ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be an actress. Julie Harris was my idol.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You look like her.\n\nBARNETT: A little bit, yes. A little bit.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And you sound a little bit like her.\n\nBARNETT: Oh, that's the nicest thing that anybody ever said.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, you do.\n\nBARNETT: But I don't sound like her.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, I think so.\n\nBARNETT: Her voice is like an instrument. She uses her voice so incredibly.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was thinking of her in . . . Is it \"Mockingbird\"? There is some of\nthat intonation because of course she uses the Southern accent several times.\n\nBARNETT: That's true. That is true, she has done some Southern things. She's a\nvery powerful lady, she ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Which other individuals have you over the years sort of hoped to\nemulate or held up as role models? Not necessarily people in your field but just\nindividuals in life?\n\nBARNETT: Well certainly my mother.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What do you see in yourself that is like your mother?\n\nBARNETT: I think the kindness, the gentleness, and curiosity. She was much more\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"articulate than I and wrote beautifully, which I don't do. I'm not a writer. My\nsister writes beautifully and writes poems. I think my mother probably spent\nfour hours a day at her desk. Our house . . . our mailbox was like an\ninternational post office. Everybody she had ever met she wrote to and my sister\ndoes the same thing. And I am not. As you probably well know from just the\nlateness that I had in getting information to you I will really . . . I will do\nanything in this house to avoid sitting at my desk. Only when absolutely\nnecessary. I think most of the people that I really . . . certainly Dorothy\nAlexander who was my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"teacher and mentor. There is rarely a day in my life even\nnow that goes by that something she said doesn't come into my mind or that I\nhear myself with younger students saying without really realizing that I am just\nusing her words. I really adored her and respected her, and she was a tremendous\ninfluence on my life, both personally and certainly she was my teacher but she\nwas really inspirational and almost every student that studied under Dorothy\ncame away with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something very special, whether they danced later or not didn't\nmatter. I think the people that I admired professionally were the ballerinas of\nthe time when I was a little girl: Alexandra Danilova, [indistinct], Alicia\nAlonso. The people that I think I have been the most thrilled with, strangely\nenough have been actresses. Ingrid Bergman, on stage more than in film. Julie\nHarris is just . . . anything she has ever done. Siobhan McKenna. I saw Gertrude\nLawrence in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"'The King and I'. I can't think right now.\n\nSCHOENBERG: These were people that you felt some sense of rapport with. Did you\nknow them personally?\n\nBARNETT: I didn't know any of them personally, no. Now some of the dancers I\ndid. But I really didn't know any of the . . . No, I never met any of those\npeople. I am sure that many of them were probably not even nice people, as later\non you read, but what they were doing for me, from that stage, sitting in an\naudience gave me something that I wanted to then go back on stage and give back\nto other people. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"realized what performers could do to people sitting in an\naudience. I never had the kind of desire dance-wise of just getting up and\nshowing off. I never had that, and some of that a lot of that I think was from\nDorothy. It was making people feel a way that they had never felt before or that\nthey certainly weren't feeling in their everyday life. To me, that is what\ntheater is all about.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Magic.\n\nSCHOENBERG: This is side two of an interview with Virginia Rich Barnett on April\n18, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1988. Are you ready to have at it?\n\nBARNETT: Sure.\n\nSCHOENBERG: We were talking about the people who have been particular role\nmodels or had in some way you felt influenced you personally. Were there any others?\n\nBARNETT: I really can't think . . . Now, I think probably outside of my mother,\nDorothy Alexander was by far . . . Of course, I spent almost as many hours at\nthe studio if not more than I did at home in my later high school years. The\nyear that I spent . . . the summer that I spent in London at the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Royal Ballet\nSchool, Dorothy took me to London. She was the one that I went with. She was a\nteacher through and through, not just for dance. She made you look at things and\nsee things and examine things. She was really quite a remarkable person.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was she married?\n\nBARNETT: She had married once. She was Mrs. Dorothy Alexander apparently for a\nvery short time, like for a six-month period. Nobody really ever knew very much\nabout that and had many proposals after that. But she was so totally dedicated\nto her career that she never remarried.\n\nSCHOENBERG: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yet you've obviously had a very stable marriage. We haven't talked\nabout that as yet. We have alluded to the fact that you have two sons.\n\nBARNETT: Which today doesn't mean at all that . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Which doesn't mean anything, right. But, in those days, it was very\nimportant . . .\n\nBARNETT: That's right, yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: . . . that you determine who the father of those two sons was.\n\nBARNETT: Definitely so. I met Bobby [Robert Barnett]. He was a dancer with the\nNew York City Ballet at the time that I joined. It took us about a month to\nstart going out, and two years later we got married. We traveled all over the\nworld with the New York City ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ballet. It was really wonderful. Bobby is nine\nyears older than I am. He was a soloist at the time that we left the company. I\nwas just beginning to work my way up that ladder. He decided that the age that\nhe was that if he was going to do something, we definitely knew that we wanted\nchildren, that this was as good a time as any to go into the next phase of his\ndancing career. That work does not last forever. So, I wanted to move to San\nFrancisco. He very much wanted to . . . He had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fallen in love with Atlanta. We\ngot married in Atlanta. We did summer stock here.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where were you married?\n\nBARNETT: At my house.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Which was located where?\n\nBARNETT: On West Andrews Drive. The house that mother and Daddy lived in when I\nwas growing up.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What was the address?\n\nBARNETT: Twenty-seven West Andrews Drive. Both of my children were born . . .\nnot born there but born while we were living there and grew up there. We have\nonly been here nine years. Robbie was twenty when we moved.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You had decided that you wanted to come back to Atlanta. Or he had\ndecided . . .\n\nBARNETT: He decided . . . He fell in love with Atlanta. Dorothy was about to\nretire as Director and just become a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"consultant and was willing to . . . We were\nthe obvious people to take over the Atlanta Ballet. And my mother had just died\na year before, and all the children were gone. Michael was in college. Sally was\nmarried and in New York and it just seemed cruel to move on the West Coast when\nhe was so alone, so we moved back for many reasons, [including] the opportunity\nfor Bobby to have a ready-made company and Daddy being here alone. We moved into\nthe house with him temporarily, absolutely one hundred percent temporarily. I\nknew I wanted my own ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"house, and twenty-five years later [we were still there].\nEvery time we talked about moving, and we were going to build a house and build\na place on for him, we said, \"Daddy, you can have your own place in the back.\"\nHe insisted he was not sentimental about that house but he would not move. So,\nwhat he did was give us the big house, and he built on his own bachelor quarters\nbehind it. So, that's where we lived which was really . . . It ended up being\nquite wonderful, especially wonderful for my boys who really grew up with his\ninfluence. He was an entirely different person with them than he was with us\nbecause his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"career was really coming to an end, and he adored those two little\nboys. He was affectionate and demonstrative, and they were both extremely\nathletic. He went to see their games. They were playing hockey at three o'clock\nin the morning when they could get the ice and Daddy was out at the hockey game\nwith me at three four five o'clock in the morning. He was just so totally . . .\nHe was to them like my brother especially would have loved. But he wasn't as busy.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's true of grandparents generally.\n\nBARNETT: It is. It is, of course. So, we ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came back to Atlanta, and we moved in\nwith Daddy. I came back pregnant actually. The last tour that we did with the\nNew York City Ballet was to the Far East. It was a five-and-a-half-month tour;\neight performances a week for five months. Japan, Australia, the Philippines. We\nhad decided when we left on that trip that we would like to come back pregnant\nlike in the last two weeks we wanted to get pregnant. And as the rest of my life\nwent when I decided to do something I did it, and I came back four weeks\npregnant, not two weeks ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pregnant. That first year I was teaching, but not\ndancing, until I had Robbie. Then I took some time off and nursed him and played\nwith him. Then I took him to the studio with me and started all over again.\nThen, three years later, I had David. That's when I was going to quit and just\ndo teaching. Then Carl came onto the scene, and I started working with him.\nThen, later, we formed the company. Bobby and I got married about six months\nafter my mother had died. We did that one last tour, and then we moved back\nhere. We are about to have our thirty-first wedding anniversary. It is a very\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stable and very happy marriage.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What kind of a guy is he?\n\nBARNETT: Sweet, kind, even-tempered. About the only kind of guy that could live\nwith me. I could probably live with a lot of other kind of guys, but I think he\nis the only guy that could live with me. He is just a totally, sweet, generous,\neven-tempered . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Talented?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, very talented, an inspired teacher, and he was just an incredible\ndancer. There is really a quite interesting story, I think, that you would\nenjoy. When I first went to New York after I graduated from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"high school, I used\nto go to New York City Ballet all the time as a student, and I was a real fan of\nRobert Barnett. I used to call the box office and ask if Robert Barnett was . .\n. At that point, he was not a soloist, but was beginning to do mostly solo\nthings. So, he was not billed and there was no way to tell. So, I used to call\nthe box office and ask if Robert Barnett was dancing that night. And we would\ngo. And when I first got in the company three years later, the first\nperformances we did were at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles. I don't know if\nyou know where the Greek Theater ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is, but it is up a very long hill, and I was\nnot old enough to rent a car. So, the three youngest kids in the company, I\nbeing one of them, used to walk up and down this hill to the theater and Bobby\nwould stop day after day. He would stop and pick us up. The first day he picked\nus up and asked us if we wanted a ride; we were just chatting. He introduced\nhimself as \"Bobby\" and I said \"I'm Ginger and that's Janet and that's\" --\nwhoever else was in the car. It never occurred to me. It took me about two\nweeks. One day I said, \"Are you Bobby Barnett?\" And he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said \"Yes.\" And I just\nscreamed because I had no idea. He did not look at all what I thought he would\nlook like. First of all, he had the most incredible jumps. He danced a great\ndeal like Baryshnikov. Had he started at the age that Misha started. He was that\nkind of dancer. Incredible jumps. A fast joyous dancer. He just made you feel\nlike he was having the most fun that anybody had ever had in their life when he\nwas onstage. So, he was up in the air all of the time and I didn't know that he\nwas only five feet seven. Here's this little tiny blond blue-eyed boy that I\njust didn't make the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"association with. That's the Robert Barnett that I had been\nwatching dance for all those years! And we started dating. So that's how it all,\nthat's how we actually met. He picked me up.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. Literally.\n\nBARNETT: Literally picked me up to keep me from having to walk that half mile or\nmile or whatever it was up and down that hill.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What are your favorite roles that you danced?\n\nBARNETT: That I have ever danced? One of my very favorite roles is a role that\nCarl did for me for my fiftieth birthday present. It is a thirty-minute solo on\nthe life and work of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Georgia O'Keefe. I am admirer of the person, who she was,\nwhat she was, her art, her independence, her ahead-of-her-timeness. It is really\nquite a remarkable piece. I can't imagine ever . . . The dance is just total\ndevelopment of a character for thirty minutes and there are very, very few\ndances that are on stage for thirty minutes at one time. There are several\ncostume changes and the longest one is thirty seconds.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's very strenuous. I'm surprised that . . . Do you think that\nthere's anybody else who could ever dance it?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, I would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hope that someday there would be somebody. If they work on\nit as hard as I worked on it. I worked on it for almost a year. There is no\nreason why somebody else couldn't do it if they were willing to put in the time\nand effort but I don't know that it would ever mean the same thing to anybody\nelse. I am a real stickler for belief in original works are more exciting than\nanything else. You get a very good reproduction, a very good veneer when works\nare done, repeated on other dancers, sometimes better dancers than they were\ndone on, but there is something about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"creating a piece and being there together\nand creating it and knowing every thought that is going into it that to me,\nmakes the difference. It makes a difference to me when I am seeing a performance\nwhen I know it has been created for the person that is doing it rather than just\nlearning a role that someone else did a hundred years ago. But I still think\nthat the work is so wonderful that it certainly deserves being taught to someone\nelse and I certainly would make sure that I taught it. And it is also on video.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you have some students that you have a special relationship with\nor some one or two ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"students with whom you have a good feeling will make it?\n\nBARNETT: A protege? Actually, right now I am not teaching. When the boys, when\nmy boys got into high school, I was rehearsing a lot in the mornings and often I\nhad to go back in the evenings. So, I decided to quit teaching so that I could\nbe home when they got home or pick them up at school. Actually, a little before\nhigh school, about sixth grade and have that time with their athletic activities\nor whatever. Driving across this humongous city, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"carpooling and . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Being a real mom.\n\nBARNETT: Being a real mom, that's right. I really loved that whole period, being\nwith them. I mean I loved what they were doing, and I loved watching them play\ntheir games.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You indicated . . . This was before we started taping . . . You\nindicated that you didn't think you wanted to live through teenage years again.\n\nBARNETT: I guess you have a way of remembering the best times. When I think\nabout raising children again, I really didn't enjoy every aspect of those\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"teenaged years. Of course, Robbie hit right at the beginning of the drug\nculture. That was a little unpleasant period in our lives, but it passed. It all\npassed. Things have a way of doing that. David really was not a difficult child\nat all except that he was very dyslectic as a very young child and a tremendous\nperfectionist and a tremendous IQ. It was difficult, frustrating to be fulfilled\nso that there were the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"frustrations that go along with those things in any family.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was he tested and recognized fairly early though?\n\nBARNETT: Second grade, not early enough. I sent him to Westminster, much against\nmy will, but Daddy and Bobby sort of forced that issue knowing that it was such\na fine school. I really have never quite forgiven them for not recognizing it\nbecause I kept getting notes home that this child is disruptive and is too\nimmature and I thought, \"They have got to be talking another child,\" and I was\nnot a mother that could not take ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"criticism about her children. I mean when\nsomething like that was normally said I would really look into it. But none of\nthe things that they were saying about David were true. He was born with a smile\non his face and was the most cheerful positive little boy and never disruptive.\nHe was not bad, and he was really being bad at school. That was in the first\ngrade and when he got about in the middle of the second grade and of course it\ngot worse and worse as they went on. I was talking about it one day at the\nschool, at the ballet school, and a mother overheard me and she said, \"Have you\nhad him ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tested for dyslexia?\" I had never heard the word before. It was just\nbeing recognized and I talked to her about. And she told me where I could take\nhim, and I took him the next day. There were ten signs of a typical dyslectic\nchild. Most children have one or three or five. David had all ten. I mean the\nfact that he even got out of the first grade is remarkable except that he was so\nbright, is so bright. He remembers . . . anything anybody ever told him he would\nremember, and he used to ask me to read to him. And he didn't want to read \"Dick\nand Spot\" and \"Watch Jane Run.\" That's not what he wanted. He wanted me to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"read\nhim out of the encyclopedia or the newspaper, things he couldn't read himself.\nBut he is really quite remarkable. He is a very slow reader now, and he will\nalways be a slow reader. But he reads everything, and he is up on everything and\nhe has quit being frustrated about it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You like your boys.\n\nBARNETT: I love my boys.\n\nSCHOENBERG: But you like them, too. That's what comes through.\n\nBARNETT: I like them. Okay, yes. There was a period during their teenaged years\nwhen I didn't like them, and I used to tell them that daily. Especially Robbie.\nI had the most problems with Robbie. We are both Aries, and two Aries I'm not\nsure should live in the same house. But now, I definitely ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like them and love\nthem, and it is wonderful. I keep saying, \"I knew you all were going to grow up\nto be the kind of people that I was going to like because you all the right\nthings were told to you. They were somewhere back in your brains. They had to\ncome forth somehow.\" And, yes, I do. I do love them and like them both. And they\nare as different as though they were not from the same family.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What is their relationship?\n\nBARNETT: They are very, very close in many ways. There has never been a time at\nthe worst of either of their problems that I could criticize them that they\nwouldn't jump to each other's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"defense, but they could say something ten times\nworse about each other. They have always been very protective of one another and\nas they have gotten older of course they have gotten much closer. But they are\nso different. It amazes me that children can be brought up in the same household\nwith the same values same lessons and interpret them so totally different.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Such as?\n\nBARNETT: Robbie wants everything the easy way. He really doesn't believe the\nworld owes him a living but would like it if the world did owe him a living. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And\nDavid is perfectly willing to work for whatever he gets. I think David has a\nmuch finer sense of values than Robbie, but Robbie is the kind, sweet,\nsentimental. Sends roses on Mother's Days and birthday cards and is very family\noriented. David is by far the more independent the youngest one is by far the\nmore independent one. Robbie is very family oriented and dependent calls up,\n\"What are y'all doing for dinner tonight?\" Still at 29, he would love to be . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Lives here?\n\nBARNETT: No, he doesn't live here. No, he has his own apartment.\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, I didn't mean in the house.\n\nBARNETT: Oh, he would . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: He is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here in Atlanta so he can easily come here . . .\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: . . . for dinner, should you be having something that he wants.\n\nBARNETT: Exactly. He is a wonderful cook, very domestic. David will step over a\npile of clothes until it is too high for him to step over, and then he will jump\nover it until it is too high for him to jump. Then, finally, he will do\nsomething about it. He will walk around it, kick it out of the way. Nothing in\nthe kitchen. Robbie is a fabulous cook and really loves everything domestic, and children.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Are there ladies in their lives?\n\nBARNETT: They both have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just somewhat split with girls that they were living\nwith, but they are both dating. They have good friends but they both decided\nthat they weren't compatible to live together. And they are both one lady men.\nThey have never had a lot of girlfriends.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I just wondered if there were wedding bells in the near future?\n\nBARNETT: Oh no, and I want grandchildren so bad that I tease them about adopting\none. Nobody in the world wants grandchildren more than I do. I love little\nbabies and every time . . . The only middle-age crisis that I am ever going to\nhave is to see young mothers with little ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"babies. My mother was the same way. I\ncan remember coming home from school sometimes and if somebody in the\nneighborhood had a new baby it was in the middle of her bed, and she was sitting\nthere playing with it, a perfectly strange little baby. She would babysit\nanybody's little baby. So I have to wait for the dancers in my company to have\nbabies then I will pretend like they are my grandchildren. I think someday . . .\nI am not sure David will ever have children. He is really . . . He talks like he\ndoesn't. I think a girl could change his mind very easily that wanted to have\nkids. Robbie would like to have a slew of them, and he is magic with children,\nalways has been since he was a little boy. Kids would be acting up. He would\njust pick them up and put them on his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"shoulder. And he is big. He is built like\na football player. We don't know where he came from with us two petite . . .\nwith nobody really big like that anywhere in the family.\n\nSCHOENBERG: It must have been somewhere.\n\nBARNETT: Somewhere obviously.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Or something in the water.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, in Australia. He was conceived in Australia.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Neither of the boys dance?\n\nBARNETT: Neither of them dance at all. Incredible athletes. Robbie, I think has\ntrophies in every athletic sport that he ever played and would get bored and go\nto another one. Football, baseball, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"basketball, hockey, swimming. When he was\nfour years old the swimming teacher at his little day camp wanted to start\ntraining him for the Olympics. He was just . . . He was swimming at nine months\nold since we had a swimming pool. I used to have nightmares about it so I made\nsure that they could swim. They were both athletic, but Robbie was the tough\naggressive one, and David was the very skilled. He was much more where he was\nsupposed to be on the soccer field, not very aggressive. He played five years of\nvarsity soccer at Woodruff so, obviously. And they both played ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ice hockey when\nthe Flames were here. David took gymnastics, guitar, tap-dancing. He wanted to\ndance so much, and he would not go into the studio and put on a pair of tights\nand take ballet. I think as he grew older, he has said to me that people\nexpected too much, \"They expected me, because of you and dad, to know it all and\nI was never allowed to be a beginner.\" But a wonderful story: About four years\nago we were sitting at the table, at the kitchen table. David looked up at me,\nand he said \"Mom I want to tell you something. You have probably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been the most\nperfect mommy that anybody could ever ask for in every way. There is just one\nthing I will never forgive you for.\" And I could not imagine. I said, \"David--\nwhat?\" And he said, \"That you didn't make me take dancing.\" Which would never\nhave occurred to me. With both of us dancing, I would never have forced that on\nhim. I thought it was very important that they have their own thing and not\nours. But he could have been a dancer in a minute. He still almost could be.\n\nSCHOENBERG: A little old to start now.\n\nBARNETT: He's a little bit old to start.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Twenty-six.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, but he is perfectly happy doing what he is doing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is he built right for it?\n\nBARNETT: Right now, he is about fifteen pounds ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"overweight for the first time in\nhis life. But he was built exactly right for it. Both boys. Either one of them\ncould have, although Robbie never showed any interest at all. And they had a lot\nof teasing when they were young. I can remember picking up carpools and little\nkids sitting in the back of the station wagon and talking about what their daddy\ndid and what does your daddy do? And David would say, or Robbie, \"Well, my daddy\nis a ballet dancer.\" And you know [they'd say]: \"A ballet dancer!?\" I mean they\nwere terrible. Then one day some little girl had on some black tights under her\ndress. And David said, \"What have you got those black tights on for?\" And she\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, \"What do you mean?\" And he said, \"Only men wear black tights.\" Because in\nhis world men wore black tights and women wore pink tights. And she said \"What\ndo you mean? Men don't wear tights at all.\" And he said, \"My daddy does.\" And\nthen it all would start. I think they were handling enough without having to put\nthe pressure on their own lives.\n\nSCHOENBERG: They were living in the real world. And I suppose had you raised\nthem in New York City and had they gone to other kinds of schools . . .\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where other children's fathers and mothers were . . .\n\nBARNETT: In the arts right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: . . . doing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"similar things in the Arts or whatever, then they would\nnot have seen that as being any sort of problem at all.\n\nBARNETT: Right, right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: But in as you say conservative Atlanta.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, especially conservative northwest Atlanta.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Right, well, you said it.\n\nBARNETT: I said it and I've said it before.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Has being a Rich been a help or a hindrance in your life?\n\nBARNETT: I think both. I certain went through a period . . . resenting is a\nlittle bit strong because I certainly appreciated and admired what Daddy did,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I had a hard time wanting my own identity and not always wanting to be Mr.\nRich's daughter. Even in dance reviews, in parentheses, 'the daughter of Richard\nRich.' You know, I would scream and holler and rant and rave. That was\ndifficult. I think the thing that I loved so about New York was that I really\nwas my own person. I can remember when I went to New York wanting to drop the\nRich and just use Virginia Gleaves as a professional name and Mommy saying,\n\"Ginger you can't do that. It would kill your father, as hard as he has worked\nto make that name.\" And I said, \"It is not important in the dance world, Mom.\"\nBut I didn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do it. I didn't want to hurt him, so I didn't do it. Then of course\nas I have grown older and more mature and more secure, it is one of those facts\nof life. I mean it still happens sometimes. Somebody will say something about it\nand I think, \"So what? Everybody has to come from someplace. It's what you do\nwith your life and not where you came from.\" I had no control over that. So, I\nam proud, admiring, somewhat in awe of what he did, and greatly appreciative of\nall the opportunities that it has afforded me. I mean the only thing that has\never been and is still important to me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about monetary comfort is what it\nrepresents in terms of freedom, not what it can buy but what it allows you to\ndo. And I really do mean that. I'm not sure that my children feel that way. I\nwish they had the same values. But it really . . . it has never been important\nto me. I can remember Mother saying, \"Sally and Michael are always asking for a\nnew dress, new pair of shoes, or gimme gimme gimme -- What can I get you?\" And I\nsaid, \"If money could buy more talent, that's the only thing I want.\" It is\namazing how you are sort of born with those . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you think that . . . Do you really think that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you didn't get that\nfrom somebody? From somewhere?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, of course I did.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Somebody must have . . .\n\nBARNETT: I think Daddy's values were really quite beautiful. He was very simple,\nalways lived quite simply, was never extravagant. I can remember the only piece\nof jewelry he ever gave me as a little girl was a ring because he didn't like\njewelry. And I lost it, and I can remember crying and carrying on. Daddy sat me\ndown. He said \"Ginger let me tell you something. I am glad you lost that ring.\"\nAnd I said, \"What do you mean, Daddy?\" He said, \"If any material thing means\nthat much to you, you shouldn't have it.\" And he had a plaque over his desk in\nhis office that said, \"People are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more important than things.\" And he really did\nbelieve that. So of course, I don't by any means think that I created this. But\nagain, it was not necessarily true of my brother and sister and they had the\nsame values given to them so I attribute everything to the fact that I knew at a\nvery young age what I wanted to do. I was so directed in that and nothing else\nreally was as important. I did a lot of other things.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you see yourself as an individual, a woman who, for her ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time was\nahead of her time?\n\nBARNETT: I see that now. I never thought that at the time. I actually never\nthink about that myself. It has been said to me many times. Ellen, my good\nfriend in the second grade. Every time we have a long conversation she says\n\"Ginger, it is just incredible. Since you were in the third grade, you have been\nsaying that. How did you know that? How did you know?\" So, I guess I was but it\nwas not a conscious thought-out thing. I was not doing it to shock or ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: To prove a point?\n\nBARNETT: In no way to prove a point. I can just remember hearing as a child that\nthey had never seen anybody with such a sweet disposition. I was so happy. There\nwas no reason for me to be bad, ugly, unpleasant . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Because you were doing what you wanted to do.\n\nBARNETT: I was doing what I wanted to do. I had two loving parents, a more than\ncomfortable home, good friends, fun at school. I loved camp, when we went to camp.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where was camp?\n\nBARNETT: Tripp Lake Camp in Poland, Maine. It was a Jewish camp. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it was\nfor Jewish girls, all girls. A wonderful experience. In Maine, beauty\nsurrounding . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: A million miles from Atlanta, Georgia.\n\nBARNETT: A million miles from Atlanta, Georgia.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Were there other girls from Atlanta there?\n\nBARNETT: A few. A few were there. My sister went and hated it. She was never at\nall athletic.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's what I was going to ask you. Where do you think your talent\ncame from?\n\nBARNETT: I don't know.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was there anyone . . .\n\nBARNETT: Not anywhere that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anybody knows about in the family that we have been\nable to trace back.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Nobody athletic?\n\nBARNETT: My father was very athletic.\n\nSCHOENBERG: To me, they are related.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, that's right. I think the coordination definitely came from my\nfather's side of the family. And I just happened to use it in dance. There have\nbeen some very creative artistic people in the family. Emma Lazarus, who wrote\n\"The New Colossus\" on the Statue of Liberty, was a relative. I'm still trying to\nfind out exactly what she was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[indistinct] to my grandfather. I think she was an\naunt, his aunt. My Grandfather Rosenheim was a poet. My mother wrote like a\nwriter and loved the theater and did amateur acting and radio work, a lot of\nradio work. There have been a lot of . . . my sister draws and paints. There is\na lot of artistic talent in the family.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And creativity.\n\nBARNETT: Yes. I guess the combination of the two things was so . . . I was the\nlucky one that got them. It's a hard life, dance is.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I had yet to ask you that.\n\nBARNETT: It is.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Have you ever ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had, and I'm sure you must have had, moments when you\nthought, \"Why am I doing this? It is so hard.\"\n\nBARNETT: There are probably times that I have said that, knowing full well that\nI knew why I was doing it. And I often tell young students that say to me,\n\"Should I be a dancer?\" or \"Should I go to New York?\" . . . And I have a pat\nanswer that the fact that you asked me is answer in itself: No. Because if you\ncan live without it, you should. Use it as an avocation and not as a career. I\nhad no choice. It is like oxygen. I can't live ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"without it. And hard as it is . .\n. It is hard because it is almost 365 days out of the year.\n\nSCHOENBERG: It is 365 days per year or more.\n\nBARNETT: Or more. You dance when you are hurt, and you dance when you don't feel\nwell. You just don't question it. I don't know. Psychologists and Psychiatrists\nhave really studied the dancers' psyche. They don't know what it is. Of all of\nthe theater performers, that we constantly stand ourselves up in front of a\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mirror, day in and day out, in front of a teacher that does nothing but\ncriticize us. For the few performances of glory that you get it really is ten\npercent inspiration and ninety percent perspiration, as cliche as that is. It is\nrare that on a day-to-day basis that a teacher will say, \"That's good.\" They\ntell you how it could be better. And that's almost against the human psyche.\n\nSCHOENBERG: All that rejection, does that not bother you?\n\nBARNETT: No, it's a challenge. It just makes the challenge that much . . . It is\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not rejection. It is criticism. Constructive criticism. There have been a few\nsadistic teachers that I have had that were definitely not constructive\ncriticism, but everybody is in the same boat. You just endure that or don't take\ntheir classes anymore if you can't do it. And of course, there were lonely\nmoments when I first went to New York. I can remember writing home and I was so\n. . . not homesick, because I was where I had always wanted to be, but a little\nfrightened and a little lonely and a little questioning, \"What have I done? I\nhave wanted to do this all of my life and now here I am doing it and is it\nreally what I should be doing?\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was passing thoughts. It was never any\nconsideration of not doing it. I don't think that there is anything that anybody\ndoes that there are not times that . . . It is as much a part of me . . . I had\na discussion with a psychologist one day. He was saying that there are only two\nthings that you can absolutely say you are. Everything else is what you do or\nwhat you acquire. You are a human being, and you are mortal. And I said \"No,\nthere are some other things I can say. I can say: I am a mother. That is a fact\nthat nobody can take away from me. And I am a woman. I am a woman first and not\njust a human being.\" And he said, \"Okay I'll give you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that.\" And then I said,\n\"And I am a dancer.\" And he said, \"No Virginia dancing is something you do.\" And\nI said, \"No you don't understand. Dancing is something I am.\" We have had an\nongoing discussion about this over the years. Every time I see him, we joke\nabout it and neither one of us are going to change our minds. But I am a dancer.\nThere is no question in my mind. I am a dancer as much as I am a person. It is\nall part of one thing. I don't think anybody can understand that that hasn't\nbeen there.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Does that have something to do with your feelings about the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eastern\nreligions and meditation and all of that? Does that kind of tie in?\n\nBARNETT: No, no. It really doesn't. I think . . . I don't know. I have not done\nany regressive hypnosis and I am very anxious to do it to find out anything\nabout my past lives. I don't know whether I have been a dancer before or not. It\nwould be hard for me to believe that I wasn't. But if I know that if I come\nback, I would like to be one again. A better one than I am.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That would be hard to do.\n\nBARNETT: Well, no it wouldn't. But then I see someone like Leotyne Price, and I\nwould like to be able to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sing like that and Georgia O'Keefe and I would like to\nbe able to paint like that, so maybe I will choose another.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What are your other interests aside from family and dance?\n\nBARNETT: I have a lot of hobbies. I batik. I have a little studio in the\nbasement just for my own pleasure. People have asked me to buy them or put them\nin a shop. At this point I don't think I am good enough to do that. I wouldn't\ndo that. I give them away as presents. My real love outside of dance is plants,\nanything growing. I have a little greenhouse and I have got plants all over the\nplace and I cannot ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pass a nursery without stopping.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Especially this time of year?\n\nBARNETT: Especially this time of year, with the city too beautiful to believe.\nI'm very involved at the moment, because of David's little bout with cancer, in\nthe alternative methods of holistic medicine, very anti- what is going on in the\nmedical establishment in this country as far as things like cancer and AIDS and\nincurable diseases go. I feel like they are very political and very\nmoney-making, big money-making operations. I am even on the board of some\nalternative ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"therapy organizations and work very hard and am very involved in\nthat. I actually took David out of this country to be treated and I believe that\nis why he is well.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What kind of treatment would you advocate?\n\nBARNETT: Immune boosting treatments that are non-toxic treatments. I think the\ntoxins that this country is using to prolong miserable lives is doing exactly\nthat. It is prolonging miserable lives, and maybe the half of one percent that\nit is helping or curing might have been cured anyway with their ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own desire to be\ncured. I don't know that for a fact. None of us know that. Even doctors don't\nknow why it does for some and doesn't do for others. I think it is where the\nhead is at. But at twenty-two years old I was not going to have any poisons put\ninto that little body that he was going to have to cope with for the rest of his\nlife, as devastated as I would have been to have lost him, and I would have been\nseriously devasted, I wanted him, if he was going to live, to live a very\nhealthy, normal life. And I didn't think he could do that with chemo and\nradiation and the stuff that they wanted to do. No way. And it was a little\nscary because I really didn't know ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what I was doing, but it was . . . Actually,\nit was not experimental. The doctor that I took him was in Freeport, Grand\nBahama. He's been down there for about twelve years now, and it is no more\nexperimental than anything they are doing here. It is absolutely a proven\n[treatment], and all it does is balance the immune system and he fights the\ndisease off just like we would have mutated cells going through our bodies to\nfight it off every day. As long as he is on his treatment and the immune system\nstays balanced then he won't get any more cancer.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Does he have to stay on it for life?\n\nBARNETT: Some people stay on it for life. Many people go off of it and never\nhave any more problems. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is entirely an individual thing that Dr. Burton does\non a readout. He goes back every six months to be checked, and he hasn't had a\nsingle [sign], but I have seen people that were six months or six weeks almost\nfrom being dead that have been down there, and eight weeks later they are on the\ngolf course playing golf. And the doctors here had told them that there was no\nway they could live longer with no chemo. So, you know, we caught David at the\nvery beginning, and it was not nearly that miraculous. I have seen very close to\nwhat I would consider miracles, except that it makes perfect sense to me, and I\nwill be glad to give you a whole packet and share that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"information when you go.\nI like to spread the word.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I would like to see . . .\n\nBARNETT: You will not be spared knowing somebody that needs it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: My father died of cancer.\n\nBARNETT: One out of three people in this country are getting it, so you may know\nsomebody who might want to share this information.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Others of your hobbies or interests?\n\nBARNETT: Animal protection, conservation, trees.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you plant some of the trees down here?\n\nBARNETT: I haven't, no. [indistinct; crosstalk] I never buy anything in a\ndrugstore or anywhere, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if I can put it in my pocketbook, that I don't say,\n\"Please keep the paper bag and save a tree.\" And these little fifteen- and\nnineteen-year-old girls and boys look at me and say, \"What are you talking\nabout?\" I say, \"This paper comes from trees, and if you don't waste paper, then\nthey won't cut down so many trees. You want your children to see a tree when\nthey grow up, don't you?\" I am very involved in that whole scene, from health to\nconservation and animal protection and then my own little personal hobbies are\naround me also.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is there anything else that you would like to share? I am sure that\nthere are great big ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"holes that I haven't covered.\n\nBARNETT: I can't think of anything that you haven't covered. You have asked me\njust about every part of every aspect of my life. No, I think probably I would\nlike to end in saying that because of so much of the talk of coming from a\ntotally Jewish background, and as far as I know it, it is a hundred percent\nJewish all the way back, and the fact that I didn't really grow up in a\npracticing religious family that I love the philosophy of Judaism, and I am . .\n. if proud is the word, certainly grateful for the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"heritage. I think \"proud\" may\nnot be the word but certainly grateful.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And yet you didn't feel that it was necessary to pass it along, or\nhave you?\n\nBARNETT: Both of the boys know, certainly, about their background. They did not\ngo, no . . . I must say that if I had a single regret in my life, it is that the\nchildren did not have some . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did they have something?\n\nBARNETT: Mostly what I just taught them of both sides, both of Christianity and\nJudaism. They did go to Westminster, and Robbie went to Lovett for a few years,\nso they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"certainly got some religious education.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did they go to chapel?\n\nBARNETT: They had to go to chapel. I cannot say that they had a religious\neducation, and I really am sorry about that. And when Bobby and I were talking\nabout it when they were young, my only feeling was that I was not going to be\nhypocritical about it, that I had no feeling and if he felt strongly about\nbringing them up in the Episcopal Church that was perfectly all right, please\nnot to expect me to go to church with them. I would not. But if he had no\nfeeling about it, I would bring them up as Jews at the Temple and he could do\nwhatever he wanted, but that we were going to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be above board and very honest\nabout it. We talked back and forth about it and it was not overly important to\neither one of us which way it went. And somehow in the rush of things it got\nlost. It just . . . We never . . . neither one of us did anything. I can\nremember feeling very bad about it and reading them stories and trying to teach\nthem, but I really didn't follow through on it and I am sorry. Although I have\ntalked to them about it and told them that I was sorry that they didn't. David,\nI think given the choice of any religion would definitely go to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judaism, and I\nthink Robbie would definitely if he were going to be a religious person he would\nprobably go to some Christian religion. Most of his girlfriends have been\nnon-Jewish and his friends about half and half the boys and girlfriends. But\nthat could easily change too because his very best friend is Jewish and quite .\n. . a young practicing couple. His best friend married my sister's daughter and\nI hope they will end up back here in Atlanta. They are grown now so they have to\nmake that decision themselves. I can't go back.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's true. There's one other thing that I did think about at the\ntime, and I was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of curious about it. How did . . . You said your father\ndidn't have a particularly pleasant relationship with his own father. Was there\never any time when he had second thoughts or doubts about his having given up\nthe family name, the Rosenheim family name?\n\nBARNETT: I don't think even an instant in his life. He really did not like his\nfather. His father apparently, I don't really know the whole story and I\ncertainly hate to have it recorded, but he apparently had a violent temper. And\nI think he saw that temper manifest ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"itself in a way that he never forgave his\nfather for, and I do not know exactly to whom it was at.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Directed?\n\nBARNETT: Directed. But he really never forgave him for that, and he was\nperfectly pleasant to him. But I know that he really did not like him and no, I\ndon't think he gave it a second thought. He was the only male, so actually it\nnever occurred to me. Of course, I never knew him as a Rosenheim. I only knew\nhim as a Rich.\n\nSCHOENBERG: It certainly messes up the family tree, doesn't it?\n\nBARNETT: It certainly does. Well, it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doesn't really. It doesn't really because\nin the family tree that would have to be recorded and then everything is still .\n. . we are all Rosenheim descendants.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, I thank you very much.\n\nBARNETT: You are certainly very welcome.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And I think we will conclude at this point.\n\nSCHOENBERG: This is Ann Hoffman Schoenberg doing an interview on May 4, 1988, in\nthe home of Virginia Rich Barnett, 726 Mill Walk, Atlanta, Georgia. I think we\nwill probably begin, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"once more, at the beginning. I thought what we might touch\non first, if you didn't mind, was some of the information, maybe anecdotal\ninformation, something about what are your memories, what were some of the\nfamily's favorite stories about the store? Funny things that might have happened?\n\nBARNETT: I think that probably the typical thing in our family that happened\nevery year was that Daddy's birthday was December 24th. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We always tried to do\nsomething with him, take him out, throw a party for him, to do something very\nspecial for him; and he would never leave the house on Christmas Eve because of\ncourse that's the night that at least 20 people called who he did not know and\nhad never heard of and would say, \"We have been saving all year for a bicycle.\nSanta Claus is supposed to bring it tonight. It came without one wheel,\" or \"It\ndidn't come,\" or a little red wagon or a doll or whatever. Daddy spent every\nsingle birthday traveling around, and he would not call . . . sometimes as he\ngot ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"older, he would call somebody in charge of that sort of stuff. But, in the\nearly years, I can remember Daddy flying out of the house to go down to the\nwarehouse or down to Rich's, opening up, getting a bicycle and delivering it\nsomewhere to somebody on Christmas Eve. That was very typical of him. There was\nnothing more important to him than making sure that customers were pleased and\nhappy and that's how Rich's used to be.\n\nSCHOENBERG: It has changed, hasn't it?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, it has. It has indeed. Hopefully, now it might ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"change back a\nlittle bit.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you still have an interest, a financial interest in the store?\n\nBARNETT: No, because . . . Of course, when Federated took over, the stock was\njust transferred. Now, Campeau has bought, and we cleaned it out, everything. I\nreally don't. I guess . . . There is a sentimental interest even though there is\nnobody in the family even working at the store now.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was going to ask that.\n\nBARNETT: No, my brother was, but he is no longer there. And I guess as long as\nit is called Rich's and I see it and I go there; I can't help but think of it as\nthe way I did as a child. When I go down to the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"downtown store, which I don't do\nvery often, for some reason that is a little unsettling to me, to go down,\nbecause that's what I remember from early, early childhood, going down to\nDaddy's office and playing back in the supply room with all those pencils and\npapers. I had never seen so many pencils and papers. I think he was probably the\nmost committed human being I have ever come across, maybe other than myself, to\nwhat he believed in. There was just nothing that would get in the way of that.\nHe really loved people ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and cared. I mean it wasn't . . . Of course, it was to\nbuild the store, and it was a wonderful thing to do. And it was certainly was\none of the reasons that he started it, but it was from that kind of service and\ncaring, but I really believe that he got as much joy in his life out of doing\nthose kinds of things as anything else, any of the big successes of the store. I\ndon't know if we talked about this or not last time, but he had a plaque over\nhis desk that said: \"People are more important than things.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he . . . if any\nbuyer or salesman would come in . . . well, if a customer came in with a\ncomplaint as far up as Daddy, he would find out who the salesperson was. He\nwould bring the salesperson in with the customer, and he would have the whole\nstory repeated in front of him. Then, he would say, \"You know what the policy of\nRich's is, don't you?\" To the salesperson, and he would say, \"So, what's the\nproblem, what's the question? Give the woman what she wants.\"\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was this true of previous generations? Who else, in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"family, had\nbeen involved in the management of Rich's?\n\nBARNETT: Well, the founding of the store was Daddy's grandfather and two\nbrothers. Daddy's grandfather, apparently, was the brighter and more businessman\nof the group. There were three brothers: Morris, Emmanuel, and Daniel. Daddy's\ngrandfather was Morris. And I think it was founded somewhat on that philosophy.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Had they been peddlers prior to founding the store, or not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really?\n\nBARNETT: I don't know.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That seems to have been a pattern in a lot of other communities.\n\nBARNETT: Right, yes, of retailers. Probably so, yes, I would say probably they\nhad been.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you think they came with money to the United States or not really?\n\nBARNETT: No, no. No, I don't think so. They came from a very highly educated\nbackground, but not with money.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What had been the family business in Europe?\n\nBARNETT: I don't know that either. 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I don't really know.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now, he had your grandmother, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WaWee.\n\nBARNETT: Oh, very good, WaWee.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I loved that. But her legal name was . . .\n\nBARNETT: Rosalind.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And her husband was your grandfather.\n\nBARNETT: Right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Rosenheim. Did she have any brothers or sisters?\n\nBARNETT: She had a sister, and the whole Montag side of the family came from . .\n. She married a Montag . . . or Meyers. She married a Meyers.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What was her name?\n\nBARNETT: Valerie Rich Meyers, and she had two daughters.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: One of whom . . .\n\nBARNETT: One of whom married a Montag. So, Daddy actually was the only . . .\nwell, he really wasn't the only son. There were no sons to carry on the Rich\nname. I guess that's one the reasons, maybe, that Daddy changed his name back\nand took his mother's maiden name.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now, were any of the other people in any of those other families\ninvolved . . .\n\nBARNETT: Involved in the store? No, there were people involved in the store from\nthe other two brothers. The families that went down from the other two brothers\nbut not from this side of the family at all until Daddy. He was the only and\nfirst ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one and then my brother for quite a while.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What did your brother do in the store?\n\nBARNETT: He ended up being Senior Vice-President in charge of Customer\nRelations, Public Relations.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is he also a people-oriented person?\n\nBARNETT: He really is a people-oriented person. He's wonderful with people and\nkind and sweet and I don't think ever very happy at the store. I think that\nprobably being Dick Rich's son at Rich's is not easy and Daddy did not believe\nin any degree of nepotism, to the degree that he went the other ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way, that\nMichael had to prove himself four times more than anyone else because he had\nseen what nepotism does to businesses. So, Michael was just always being kind of\npushed back, reproved, pushed back, prove again. Finally, he really is so bright\nand could have done a good job, but I think ended up not really very happy at\nthe store.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, tell me some more anecdotes, silly things that happened.\n\nBARNETT: More anecdotes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, everyone knows about the fact that they accepted ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the non-real money.\n\nBARNETT: The scrip.\n\nSCHOENBERG: From the Depression.\n\nBARNETT: The script during the Depression, right, from the schoolteachers.\nThat's an old story that has been published many times.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What are some of the more outrageous things that got returned? Did\nyou ever hear about some of those?\n\nBARNETT: Yes. I think the most outrageous thing I ever heard of was a dining\nroom set table and chairs. I don't really have accurately in my mind exactly how\nold but something like twenty-five or twenty-seven years old. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The woman brought\nit back and said it just did not look good in her house anymore.\n\nSCHOENBERG: After twenty-five years?\n\nBARNETT: She had changed the decor of course and probably had changed houses and\ngoodness knows what else. And probably as a ridiculous point and joke they took\nit back. I mean it would have been perfectly acceptable not to, but she heard\nthat you could take anything back to Rich's if you had gotten it at Rich's. So,\nshe tried it and did it. I don't know how outrageous her testing was and who was\nthe more outrageous in the situation, but they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"took it back. I can't . . . I\nheard stories of people buying a dress for a ball or the opera. People took\nadvantage of it and [would] take it back the next day, like renting a dress for\nthe evening. But I think pretty much the salespeople knew what those people were\ndoing. And when I used to question Daddy about the credit. You know, anybody\ncould get a credit card. There was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no interest or penalty for not paying on time\nand the stealing and when people would take advantage of the return policy he\nsaid [that] if you really counted up, if there was any way to count the goodwill\nthat that created versus the amount of money that walks out of the store, the\ngoodwill more than outweighs what is stolen and what is brought back and what is\ndamaged and what is damaged and brought back so, of course, they couldn't resell\nit. He stuck to it. I'm sure I will think of twenty-five things, Ann, tonight\nafter you leave.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tell me some stories about him. You started to tell me about .\n. . And I'm sorry I didn't have the machine set up. You started to tell me about\nhow he used to call at the last minute with house guests.\n\nBARNETT: After my mother died and she was quite young, and she had really run\nthe household . . . and guests at five o'clock in the afternoon for her was . .\n. she was at his call. I guess it is really not Daddy's fault when I look back\non it that nobody ever said to him, \"Dick, you can't do that,\" or \"Daddy, you\ncan't do that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sorry but you just . . .\" So, until someone stopped him like\na child, why not? I would be at work in the middle of a rehearsal, twenty other\npeople depending on me, and the maid or the cook would call from home and say,\n\"Your dad just called and said he was bringing four people home for dinner. What\ndo I do?\" Well, she had a car and sometimes I would just say, \"Georgia, go get\nthis and this and this and go home and I will pay you back or charge it,\" and\nthey kind of knew at the grocery store after a while that I would stop by on my\nway home and pay for it. But there were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sometimes things that she really\ncouldn't do, and I didn't trust her to pick out. But the first I guess six or\nseven years I would leave the studio early and get it home or leave right then\nand get it home, then go back to the studio. After a while, I just . . . Of\ncourse, I said to Daddy, \"Daddy, don't do that. There is no way . . .\" When\nGeorgia would call, I would say, \"Call Daddy's secretary back. Tell him to send\nsomebody from the store out to the grocery store to plan the meal and to bring\nit to you. Tell them ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what to have and get it.\" And that pretty much stopped it.\nIt really hit home. Probably it could have stopped him a long time before that.\nAnd if it wasn't really inconvenient, I might get annoyed and a little hostile\nfeeling about it but I would do it. I mean I really wouldn't make a point of\nmaking somebody, a busy person from the store leave their job and do it. But\nmore times than not it was not convenient. As I am sure, as a woman you know, it\nis never convenient.\n\nSCHOENBERG: But he had had your mom who waited on him hand and foot ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"before?\n\nBARNETT: Well, she didn't really wait on him hand and foot, but she made his\nwishes . . . Whatever he wanted was usually available to him. And I am sure she\nprobably fussed about it sometimes, too as any wife does. But he really was not\nthat insensitive or inconsiderate. I think he just honestly did not realize that\nfood didn't magically appear on the table every night. You pushed a button, you\nleft in the morning and you came home and there was food ready. And that was\nsomewhat a period that I think probably a lot of men didn't realize what it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"took\nto plan a meal. I thought . . . It got to the point where it really would be\nnice not to eat, just not to have to think about, \"What are we going to have for\ndinner tonight?\" Then of course raising your own children you go through the\nsame thing, \"What are we going to have for dinner tonight?\" He was a very loving\nperson as far as . . . Well, 'loving' may be the wrong word. A very\npeople-person. He loved to be with people or maybe, in reality he hated to be\nalone. I am not sure which of those two things is more true. We very often\ntalked ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about moving out. I don't know if we talked about this on the other tape.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Out of the house?\n\nBARNETT: Out of the house into our own. He just couldn't bear the thought. I\nmean we even offered to build a house and have him build his own place connected\nbut there were very, very few nights that Daddy would stay home alone or stay\neven with us. I mean we were a family, and he had a family to come home to. But\nafter dinner, \"Why don't we call somebody up and see if they want to come over\nand play bridge or do something?\" And I would say, \"Daddy, I've got homework to\ndo with the kids.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He always wanted to be moving, going, all the time. He had a\npool and a tennis court in the backyard. Every single Sunday once the warm\nweather came, there were no less than four or five people for lunch every single day.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You were a chatelaine.\n\nBARNETT: Me who was such a loner and would love to have just gone out there and\nsat by that pool and my kids and with him. Never, never.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Who were some of the people who came? Who were some of the regulars?\n\nBARNETT: The regulars that came were Phoebe and John Franklin, Cindy and Bobbie\nBonham, because they played tennis with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Daddy too. David Harris. Those were\nreally his regulars. There were other people that he would mix in with those\npeople. And Billy Oppenheim, who was a beautiful tennis player.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Your former beau?\n\nBARNETT: My former beau. What have you done. memorized that tape?\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, I just listened to it last night. And you didn't mention Bernie\nAbrams. You told me afterwards you had forgotten.\n\nBARNETT: Bernie, yes that's right. That's right. Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That you had dated Bernie. We were with Bernie last night.\n\nBARNETT: Were you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: What was it like in Atlanta in the 1940's and 1950's. What kind of a\ncity? What size? What was the feel?\n\nBARNETT: When I graduated from high school, I think there were 750,000 people.\nDefinitely a small town feeling to me because I had spent summers in New York\nand in London, so I knew what a really big city atmosphere was. And it was small\ntown to me because I was Virginia Rich. There was no way for me to get away from\nthat, that fact, so that everybody . . . between being on the stage and being in\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"theater and being Daddy's daughter, everybody knew who I was and there was\nno way that I could get away with anything. I wasn't trying to get away with\nanything but if I had wanted to . . . The fact that I couldn't made me probably\nwant to more than . . . [Atlanta was] barren, almost culturally. The city as it\nstill really is way ahead in the cultural arts. It is certainly better than it\nwas, and it is continuing to get better. But I think the Chamber of Commerce\nwould like people to believe that it is better than is, culturally. It is still\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way behind a city of its size and importance elsewhere in the country. Cleveland\nwhich is nearly the city that Atlanta [indistinct], culturally is certainly way\nahead. It was home to me. I really didn't give a great . . . I knew that I was\nonly here temporarily, from about ten years old on. I knew that this was just a\nplace I was going to grow up and go to school. I knew that it was not going to\nbe my home. Wrong as I ended up being. But I guess the last two years, my heart\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really wasn't in Atlanta. I wasn't involved in the city at all. Daddy really\nwas, as you know. He was way over and above, and I am not sure [indistinct] was\nimportant to Daddy were his activities outside of the store, his civic activities.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What all did he do?\n\nBARNETT: There was such a long list of things that I should really give you. And\nit has been, you know, twenty years, so I've lost . . . Community Chest. He was\nPresident of the Community Chest, the Red Cross, Rotary. You name it. He was on\nthe Board of the telephone company, the Trust Company. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was almost nothing,\nreally, that he wasn't on.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was he involved in all of the Forward Atlanta Movement?\n\nBARNETT: MARTA, he was the first person on the MARTA. That was his whole baby.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Why was he so interested in the MARTA system?\n\nBARNETT: He realized at that point that the city was growing way beyond any\nexpectations and that if we didn't get a rapid transit system that the traffic\nand the congestion was going to be so impossible. When it was defeated the first\ntime, the first bond issue was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"defeated, he was just . . . I don't think I have\never seen Daddy that low. He said, \"These stupid people, if they only realized\nthat now by the time it is built it is going to be fifteen years outdated.\" And\nit is true. It is not outdated, it is a wonderful system, but we are going to\nneed another one by the time this one is finished. You see what is happening\nwith the traffic. He really was on top, I think, of the whole spirit and feeling\nof the city and where it was going, and the rate it was growing and very\ninvolved in that. And that . . . I have realized ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so many times I guess in the\nlast five or ten years of my life how at the time that I was not in any way\ninvolved with that. I knew it, and I read it, and you take it for granted when\nyou are a kid at home but how heavily it influenced me because so much of what I\ndo now is based on the community. Even, culturally, it is not all the glamor\nthat other people have . . . I guess ninety percent of what Carl Ratcliff Dance\nTheatre does, really, ninety percent, is outreach and community services.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Such as, specifically?\n\nBARNETT: We work with senior citizens. We sort of pioneered this whole movement\nof working with movement classes with senior citizens all over the city. It is\npart of our kids' contracts that each of them teach a class a week somewhere in\nthe city.\n\nSCHOENBERG: How large is the troupe?\n\nBARNETT: Six people.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, each of the six . . .\n\nBARNETT: Sometimes it is only two, sometimes there are six-week periods that are\norganized for teaching with downtown senior services. We work with young\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"audiences and all of the handicapped and underprivileged areas. Last year we did\nten, I think. We are going to try to do twenty this year, underprivileged\nschools where we go in and do lecture demonstrations and workshops. We have a\nholiday sweep that we do in incarcerated or institutionalized communities where\npeople can't get out on the holidays and be with their families. We go into jails.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You do a performance?\n\nBARNETT: We do a performance. We do senior citizen homes, children's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hospitals,\nhomeless shelters, jails, juvenile homes. Any place where the people are really\nstuck over the holidays and can't get out.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What is the mix of people in the Ratcliff Group?\n\nBARNETT: Last year . . . We are in the process of making some changes. I don't\nknow what next year's dancers are going to be. Last year we had . . . Do you\nmean in terms of . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Age and in terms of ethnic background or racial background.\n\nBARNETT: The age ranges from about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5490.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"twenty-four, not counting myself, from\ntwenty-four to thirty-five.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, they are a little more mature group.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, the ethnic backgrounds are black, white . . . We have two black\ndancers, a girl and a boy . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Are they Southern?\n\nBARNETT: Terry and Chloe both were born in Atlanta, and they are Southern, the\ntwo black dancers.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I meant the whole company.\n\nBARNETT: I was going through the rest of them. Mary is from Pennsylvania. One of\nthe boys is from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5520.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Detroit, one of the boys is from Iowa.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Nobody from California?\n\nBARNETT: Well Carl came from California.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's true. Was he raised out there?\n\nBARNETT: No, he was raised in Kentucky. He was an art student at the University\nof Kentucky, an art major when World War II popped its little head into his life.\n\nSCHOENBERG: How old is he?\n\nBARNETT: He is sixty-five. You would never know. Dancers stay young.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, you are a witness to that. You and your husband.\n\nBARNETT: Thank you. I didn't say that for that reason. Yes, he really is\namazing. He is going to be sixty-three tomorrow.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's why your son was concerned about a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"birthday present.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, but he is out of town, so he is saved a few more days. We got into\nthis because of the community thing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Right.\n\nBARNETT: I think more and more, it is amazing how I suddenly will find myself\ninvolved in doing something and recognize where it came from. Really,\nunconsciously . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Influenced?\n\nBARNETT: I don't think we realize how influenced we are, not by things that we\nare told to do every day, but just by actions. Actions speak louder than words\nof our parents.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: What kinds of cultural things were available to you in the late\n1940's and 1950's? Not much?\n\nBARNETT: Not much at all. I had an inspired teacher.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Dorothy Alexander.\n\nBARNETT: Dorothy Alexander, and the company that she had formed . . . Actually,\nit was in 1929 that she formed it, so by the 1940s, it was an organized company.\nBut it was definitely an amateur company. It was exactly right for me at that\nstage. But there was nothing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here that would have kept me in Atlanta, as a\nprofessional. There was very little. The museum, the High Museum. There's still\nnot very much there, I don't mind saying in public. There was some theater,\nmostly amateur theater not very much professional theater. There was very\nlittle. There were a few road shows that came through but that was mostly\ncommercial theater, Broadway shows and things like that.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And the Metropolitan Opera.\n\nBARNETT: The Opera, that's true. That was the one big ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5640.0,5670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quality thing that did\ncome through and we went every year. I watched my father sleep through many\nperformances of the Metropolitan Opera. Finally, Mommy said, \"Dick you don't\nhave to go. You are supporting it by buying tickets for your family. Why don't I\ntake someone who would love to go that can't get a ticket?\" So after a while he\ndid quit going and Mommy would take us with someone that couldn't get a ticket.\nDaddy's whole feeling of the arts and culture were that he recognized the need\nand the good for Atlanta but he really didn't love it. He didn't really love\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5670.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"theater and when I think of how many awful little dancing recitals he had to sit through.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Every parent who has a child that takes lessons in whatever . . .\n\nBARNETT: That's true, but not to the degree that I was doing it. He had to come\nsee everything I did. He didn't have to, I mean it didn't matter to me. But I\nguess it did to Mommy. There really was very little culturally. I can't really\nsay that Atlanta had any cultural influence on me. Dorothy did.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where did she come by her . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5700.0,5730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BARNETT: She was just an inspired creative creature who was way ahead of her\ntime. She [sought] it out; she created it herself. She created such a beautiful atmosphere.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now was she an Atlanta-born person?\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where did she get her training?\n\nBARNETT: Well, she did go to New York. There were little traveling dance troupes\nthat would come through and she would learn about other people to go study from\nand would study in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5730.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New York in the summer times or wherever they might be. At\nplaces like Jacob's Pillow that she could go to. As a very young dancer I think\nshe sort of created her own dances. I mean there really was nobody here at that\npoint. She was born in 1908.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now was she doing modern dance or ballet?\n\nBARNETT: She was sort of doing . . . Ballet really was her background, her very\nearly background. She studied with one of the Isadorables, Irma [Erich-Grimme]\nDuncan, so she studied a lot of I guess what they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"called then, I hate the name,\nthe word, interpretive dance. It was a little bit of a breakaway from the ballet\nat that time. It was a little freer. But she had a good solid ballet . . . as\nsolid as ballet in this country was at that period of time. And she continued\nall through from the time that I knew her studying in the summertime. She is the\none that took me to London for the summer to study at Sadler's Wells, now the\nRoyal Ballet. She went to New York and studied with a teacher. Later on, when\nshe quit dancing, she observed classes ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5790.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all over the country. Anywhere that\nsomebody was teaching something new or had something new so that she never\nstopped seeking and learning. But that was not really even her strength. Her\nstrength was her spiritual inspiration. She was really an inspirational human\nbeing. There are people, grown men . . . she started a creative movement I think\nin the public schools in Atlanta that went for a long time and then fizzled out.\nI have seen grown ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5820.0,5850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"men, fifty-year-old men come up to her with almost tears in\ntheir eyes, remembering the experience. Anybody that touched her was enriched by\nher, or anyone I should say that she touched or taught, whether it was in a\npublic school situation or . . . She was just a really creative soul. I never\nheard her raise her voice ever in my entire life and I spent many, many hours\nwith her.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Now you mentioned at some point in the previous tape, we talked\nabout the fact that dancers are probably the only people you . . . This was your\nstatement . . . the only people ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5850.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you knew who continued to put themselves in a\nposition of always being criticized. Every day of their lives.\n\nBARNETT: Psychologists have tried to study that.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was she not critical?\n\nBARNETT: She was critical, but she had so much positive feed . . . Well, the\npurpose of taking a class is to be criticized . . . Not to be criticized but to\nbe corrected. \"Criticized\" is I guess semantically a little bit strong . . .\ntremendous support. She would say something like, \"Oh, Ginger that is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5880.0,5910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so much\nbetter than it was last week. Just think what is going to be like next week if\nyou do this . . . \" She just had a very positive way of reinforcing good habits.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did she consider you her . . .\n\nBARNETT: Protege?\n\nSCHOENBERG: . . . her premier protege or were there others?\n\nBARNETT: There was one other child . . . Actually, I probably was of my\ngeneration, yes. There was a young child in the school at the time that I was a\nteenager, and I was student teaching for Dorothy in the afternoons after school\nbefore the evening advanced ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5910.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"classes. And this little seven-year-old creature, I\ncan remember seeing her walk in the studio and you knew that she was a little\nmagic fairy. All the kids in the class would sort of stand back and make a way\nfor Anne to enter the studio. And she is still at age 45 with three teenaged\nchildren just about that magical.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What's her name?\n\nBARNETT: Anne Burton is her dancing name; then it is Anne Avery. I don't know if\nyou ever saw her dance but she was a creature, a true creature. The world really\nI feel ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5940.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lost out that she didn't go on to really do big things. She could have\nbut she just chose to not buck that system. It is an ugly system, an ugly world\nout there. I am not sure that her soul could have taken the beating. She stayed\nand did a lot of dancing in the area. Actually, she was Bobby's partner. She was\nthirteen when we moved back to Atlanta. And Bobby set a Nutcracker pas de deux\non her. And I have never seen anybody do it any better. It was just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=5970.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"phenomenal.\n[indistinct] But unfortunately, it was when the big Ford Foundations\nscholarships first came out and they just grabbed her up and took her to New\nYork. It was too young. If she had waited a few years, I think she would have\ngone on to really big things.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Why do you think she stopped?\n\nBARNETT: She didn't stop dancing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, I realize that but I mean why do you think she did not go on?\n\nBARNETT: She was not the typical physical type of the 1960's. That was about the\ntime that Balanchine . . . the long legs, skinny, colty looking creatures. Ann\nis 5'1\", ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6000.0,6030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maybe, and sort of curvy, not heavy, but a nice little feminine curvy\nbody. Nothing of the look of the dancers. He was so fascinated with her. He was\nthe one that saw her and wanted her there. He was fascinated with her and didn't\nknow what to do with it. He took her into the company. She was in the New York\nCity Ballet, and I don't think he really knew what to do with her, so he didn't\ndo very much of anything. She left and went to the University of Utah, went back\nto school, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"danced there with Ballet West. A good company. Then [she] met a\nguy and moved back to Atlanta and got married. She danced here for years, she\nstill teaches. She still does little performances, but not really any major\nperformances. She has set things all over . . . Coppelia and Giselle and some of\nthe things that she is known for. Anybody that saw her will never forget her.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And you?\n\nBARNETT: And me?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Could you have been a star?\n\nBARNETT: I don't know, Ann. So much of that depends on being at the right place\nat the right time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Timing. I was just beginning in the New York City Ballet when\nI left, really beginning to work myself up and getting some things to do. Do you\nmean an international star?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nBARNETT: I think probably in the ballet world, no. I think that had I discovered\nmodern earlier, yes. I was just rebellious enough in my nature and in my beliefs\nof what dance could do to an audience not to be willing to conform to the\nmachine science of ballet. I wanted to dance more and move more and be a little\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6090.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bit more expressive so that I didn't take the time to politic and to do the\nthings that you really have to do to be a star, unless you are just a phenomena.\nAnd I wasn't a phenomena. They are just so good that you just can't . . . just a\nnatural. Those that come along one in a million and usually stop at twenty\nbecause they are bored. It's really too bad.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Quite frequently when I thought about you, I thought about the movie\n\"Turning Point,\" because of the nature of how ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6120.0,6150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your career developed or changed\nin scope. Obviously, that has happened to many women along the way over the\nyears, but the fact that you were relatively young and you made your decision to\nmarry, though you had been so totally committed, and you still are committed,\nbut you are not totally committed any longer.\n\nBARNETT: Well, I am just about as totally . . . I am probably more totally\ncommitted to dance than most people are to anything in their lives. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6150.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think\nwhat I realized was how many-faceted all of us are. You can be totally committed\nto more than one . . . I mean I was totally committed to my children, but not to\nthe point that I had to be with them every single moment. I don't think a total\ncommitment means twenty-four hours a day. There are a lot of hours in the day\nthat most people waste. I think that when you commit yourself to more than one\nthing then you find yourself not wasting any of those hours. But I really am as\ntotally committed to dance and always ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6180.0,6210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was. What I am not totally committed to is\nmy personal career. I think that is usually a very young, selfish thing, anyway.\nI think that if anybody dances to even forty, much less fifty-four, they begin\nto take on a different perspective and a different reason for why you're\ndancing. I never danced to show off. I never can remember thinking, \"They are\nout there looking at me.\" I was involved in what I was doing for them more than\nwhat they were doing for me. I wanted to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6210.0,6240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"either bring them up on stage with me\nto be involved in what I was doing but I was never a selling, ra-ta-ta smiley\ncheesecake kind of dancer even when . . . It was difficult for me to do that\neven when it was called for.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And is it called for frequently?\n\nBARNETT: Not very frequently in the ballet world, no. Now it wouldn't be so\ndifficult. As you get older it is not so difficult because you learn more and\nmore how to get out of yourself and playact. But the commitment I think . . . I\ndon't know whether it came from me, whether I had it, whether I would have had\nit. I guess I did have it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6240.0,6270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"even before I met Dorothy, but I really credit her\nwith the kind of commitment to dance, to the art of dance for lack of a better\ncliché, rather than just to myself. I can remember her saying, \"An audience is\nreally not interested [in] if you have a headache or you have a hangnail or if\nyou have a problem at home. You get out on that stage and that . . . \"\n\nSCHOENBERG: All that falls away?\n\nBARNETT: All that has to go away, she would say. I think I said this in the last\ntape, I say this so often to the young dancers, \"If you have a problem, leave it\noutside the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6270.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"studio door. Do not walk into the studio with a problem. Leave it\noutside the door. It will be waiting for you when you leave.\" Sometimes less of\na problem when you pick it up than it was when you left it there if you can\nreally let go of it. I have done that. I have done it myself, and I have tried\nto make other young dancers do that because it's . . . That is really what\ncommitment is. It is using the time that you are doing what you are doing to its\nfullest and then going on to the next thing and being totally and fully involved\nin whatever you are doing. I can't say that I am [indistinct] with that but when\nyou say that I am ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6300.0,6330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not any longer fully committed, I really am, because . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was thinking more in terms of a career.\n\nBARNETT: Not as a career.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I suppose that is what I was thinking of. The fact that you had made\nthe choice, as one does . . .\n\nBARNETT: To give up an international career.\n\nSCHOENBERG: . . . to give up the chance for an international career and to stay\nin the New York company because you and Bobby had decided, number one, to get\nmarried, and number two, that you wanted a family.\n\nBARNETT: Well, family is really the thing that made us leave the company because\nwe were married in the company.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What was Mr. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6330.0,6360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Balanchine's attitude to the fact, number one . . . Was\nhe aware of you? That's the first thing. Did you feel that he really was\ninterested in your dancing? Or were you just another . . .\n\nBARNETT: Another one? No. Actually, the company was so small when we were there,\nAnn. It was in the 1950's. I guess the most at any point that there were in the\ncompany, including the principal dancer, the ballerinas, was thirty-five. So, it\nwas like one big family. There was no ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6360.0,6390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"feeling . . . I mean one of my best\nfriends in the company was a ballerina and I was the little corps de ballet girl\nmy first year in the company. Balanchine was involved with the company, with all\nof us. He was in rehearsal. He taught class for everybody. Everybody knew\neverybody. It was like one . . . I mean we did eight performances a week plus\nrehearsing for months on end so the same company was together day after day and\nnight after night. He wasn't in every rehearsal because there was a ballet\nmistress but he was involved. He did the casting, so as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6390.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started to get things\nto do, I knew that he knew . . . that he was involved. I was in some of the new\nworks that he created while I was in the company. I knew that he knew and I\nthink he knew I had something sort of special and I think if I had stayed long\nenough, he might have discovered what it was. I think that's probably my strong\npoint in dance is that I really move well, kinetically, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6420.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gracefully extremely\nmusical, which is something that I was just born with because I have never\nstudied music other than piano as a little girl because I had to. My innate\ntalents or innate pluses I would say would be coordination and musicality. Maybe\nmusicality first, just innately musical. He was a musician before he was a\ndancer and music meant as much to him as dance did. Every work that he\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6450.0,6480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"choreographed started off with such an in-depth study of the score. So, I think\nthat is probably what he saw in me. But again, I am not built like a Balanchine dancer.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, he might not have known what to do with you?\n\nBARNETT: Right. He didn't quite know what to do. I mean, there were times that\nhe would use me to demonstrate something, and he didn't even know how to\narticulate to the other dancers exactly what it was they were supposed to be\nlooking for. So, I don't know. I'm not sure had I gone on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6480.0,6510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with a career in New\nYork how long I would have stayed with the New York City Ballet. I really wanted\nto be in that company. I wanted to work with Mr. Balanchine. I realized what a\ncreative, brilliant genius he was. And there is tremendous stimuli for me in\nworking with creative people, not just learning the ballet and doing it third-hand.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You never did tell me, what was his attitude you all announced that\nyou were going to be married? Obviously, Bobby was one of his principal soloists\nat that time.\n\nBARNETT: Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6510.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was thrilled to death that we were going to get married. He\ndidn't like for people to have babies because he knew that their careers were\ngoing to be over. He never liked his female dancers to tell him that they were\npregnant but as far as marriage goes, and I think when two dancers in a company\nget married it pretty much secures in his mind that he has got those two dancers\nin the company forever. I mean there is no reason for one of us to leave and the\nother one not.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, he has either got both of you or he has neither of you.\n\nBARNETT: Or he has neither of us. That's right. He was really wonderful. As a\nmatter of fact, he came to the wedding ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6540.0,6570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it was in Atlanta.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where was the wedding?\n\nBARNETT: In the front hall of my home.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, over on Andrews?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, then we had a reception in the back where the tennis courts are.\nMy sister did the whole thing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: This is the second side of the second evening of interviewing with\nVirginia Rich Barnett. The date is May 4, 1988. We were in the middle of your\nwedding when this thing flipped off.\n\nBARNETT: Okay.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You said several of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6570.0,6600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the members came down [but] not to the ceremony?\n\nBARNETT: Not to the ceremony. I had a really small, small ceremony. It was\nimmediate family.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Who performed the ceremony?\n\nBARNETT: Rabbi Rothschild. Jacob Rothschild.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Then you had a big party outside.\n\nBARNETT: Then we had a big party outside. Actually, we went away for about three\ndays to a motel just out past the airport because we were in the midst of summer\nstock here in Atlanta. We were doing Theatre Under the Stars and we actually got\nmarried between two shows.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You mean Theater Under the Stars at Chastain Park?\n\nBARNETT: At Chastain Park when it was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6600.0,6630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really under the stars. It was a nice way\nto be in Atlanta for the summer and still work.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you do this frequently?\n\nBARNETT: I did it . . . The first year that I did it . . . Actually, the first\ncontract that I had with Theater Under the Stars was a role that I had wanted to\ndo since the first time I saw Carousel, Louise in Carousel, the daughter.\nFinally, they did it here in Atlanta and I got the contract. And that was the\nsummer that I got a contract with the New York City Ballet after I had signed\nthe contract ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6630.0,6660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with Municipal Theater, and I was . . . I can remember calling my\nlawyer and saying, \"What am I going to do? If I break the contract, I will never\nget another equity job. And I have to . . . I can't do it. Do you think they are\ngoing to be nice about it?\" We talked about it for so long. Finally, I called\nthe producer up. I said, \"You have just got to let me out. I will find another\ndancer.\" He was very understanding. Of course, he knew how important that was.\nYou don't turn down a contract to a ballet company to do one show in the summer.\nSo, I got out of that. Then when Bobby and I were married we did several shows.\nThen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6660.0,6690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"once we moved back to Atlanta, I continued. Bobby never did any more. I did\nquite a few, and Carl did several. We did some together and he did some by himself.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did Bobby dance in Atlanta?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, he danced until about ten years ago. Yes, he was really the\nprincipal dancer in the Atlanta Ballet. They [are] not likely to get another\nmale dancer who could dance like that.\n\nSCHOENBERG: At the same time that he was artistic director?\n\nBARNETT: No this is his twenty-fifth year as artistic director and we have been\nhere for almost thirty . . . Well, we have been here for thirty ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6690.0,6720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years. The first\nfive years he was an associate director and teaching in the school, but he took\nover the whole directorship of the ballet, the artistic directorship,\ntwenty-five years ago. So, part of it yes, he was still dancing and directing at\nthe same time.\n\nSCHOENBERG: There was a big party.\n\nBARNETT: That's right. This year.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Does he still leap?\n\nBARNETT: He can fly. He can fly and turn. He still really demonstrates the whole\nclass when he teaches. Bobby was born to dance.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Has there ever been any feeling of rivalry between the two of you in\nyour dancing?\n\nBARNETT: I don't think so. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6720.0,6750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bobby and I . . . You know people ask that question\nall the time in our dancing and also, he has got the Atlanta Ballet and I have\nCarl Ratcliff, the two companies. They are so totally different and serve such a\ndifferent purpose in the community. Bobby and I always answer that question and\nwe really mean it and it is beginning to sound cliche to me because I have said\nit so many times because it is a question that is always asked in every\ninterview: \"We believe in good dance. It doesn't matter what kind of dance it is\nas long as it is good. If it is good, it is good for the community, it is good\nfor dance, it is good for audience growth. If it is bad, it should not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6750.0,6780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be.\"\nThere is almost no in between for me. Of course, there are recitals and those\nthings that are very necessary, but they are presented as that. But if something\nis really presented and a ticket is sold, and it is bad, it should be bombed\nout. Nothing does more harm than bad anything, I think.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you feel that a lot of what comes to Atlanta and is purported to\nbe professional is something less than that?\n\nBARNETT: Not . . . Well, some, yes. Not a lot. Most of what ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6780.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"comes is definitely\nprofessional. You can like it or not and that is not the question. I mean we all\nhave our opinions about what we like. If there is integrity and some kind of\nquality, I don't have to like it. I just have to respect what the people are\ntrying to do. A lot of what comes to Atlanta is good. I have not seen anything\nin the last ten years--other than possibly an individual performance here and\nthere by American Ballet Theatre when they've come and Pilobolus, which is so\ntotally different. I don't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6810.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know if you have ever seen Pilobolus but they are\njust wonderful. And they are sort of in a category by themselves--that is any\nbetter than what is here. But the audience does not know that. I did not go to\nthe performance a couple of weeks ago of Nureyev when he was here. I understand\nfrom the people who went that it was beyond embarrassment and the entire\naudience I understand stood up and screamed and hollered just because it is\nNureyev. But that is not just provincial Atlanta. That is provincial New York. I\nhave seen that happen in New York when a big star comes out and can give a\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6840.0,6870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rotten performance and get a standing screaming ovation. People just like to . .\n. You know, they have taken the effort to get there and they want to love it so\nthey are going to stand up and get their blood pressure up.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I often say Atlanta stands up for everybody. Everybody likes to come\nto Atlanta because they get a standing ovation.\n\nBARNETT: Standing ovation. It's just ridiculous. It is. It's true.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is the reason that the Atlantans don't know the difference or don't\nrecognize what they've got here is as good as what is coming out of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6870.0,6900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New York or\nCalifornia or whatever because they don't support the dance here well enough?\n\nBARNETT: I think some of that is true although dance is getting to be more and\nmore supported, even above some of the other cultural activities. I think the\nmedia has a lot to do with it. You see somebody like Nureyev coming to Atlanta\nand the publicity and the front-page pictures and the whole . . . They are told\nthat he is going to be wonderful and that he is going to be great and that he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6900.0,6930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is\ngreat and all these things that he has done, not that he is out of condition or\nthat he hasn't been dancing for so many years and that he is very ill. They\ndon't say that. They would say that about a local dancer if they knew it. I\nthink a lot of it is blame on the media. I think a lot of it is just human nature.\n\nSCHOENBERG: If it comes from New York, it must be better?\n\nBARNETT: If it comes from somewhere else, it has got to be better. And in New\nYork, if it comes from Europe, it is better than what they have in New York. It\ngoes on and on and on.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is the space that is available for dance here ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6930.0,6960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"adequate?\n\nBARNETT: Pathetic. Actually, it is non-existent. The Alliance Theater was built\nfor dance. It is a perfect dance theater for a reasonably small company because\nit would be difficult to make any money in an 800-seating house. It would be\nperfect for a company like ours. The Atlanta Ballet and the dance community\nreally needs about a two thousand seat house. There is not one in the city.\nThere's Symphony Hall, but the symphony has it and it is a terrible space for\ndance because it is cement so you couldn't really do a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6960.0,6990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long season without\ndamaging yourself. I think in the next five years we are going to see a dance\ntheater happen in this community. The Fox [Theatre] is wonderful for\n\"Nutcracker\" and \"Carmina Burana,\" or the Civic Center . . . Those big barns.\nBut . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: But the music gets lost, doesn't it?\n\nBARNETT: But the music . . . Well, at the Fox it doesn't get lost. It's\nbeautiful but the Civic Center . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: But at the Civic Center.\n\nBARNETT: At the Civic Center the acoustics are miserable and sixty-five if not\nmore percent of the house is a block away. If you are sitting in the front half\nof that house, then the dance looks beautiful. If you are sitting in the first\nrow of the balcony, you are in the back of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=6990.0,7020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"orchestra. It is just not built\nfor a dance theater although I think the Atlanta Ballet looks amazingly good in\nthere and I am not a very good judge because I usually sit where I know they are\ngoing to look good. I have never sat in the back of the balcony. I don't know\nwhy anybody would bother to come to the Civic Center to see anything in the back\nof that balcony. And the Opera. I am sure that's the reason the Opera sort of\nfell off because people that really are opera lovers didn't want to go to the\nCivic Center to hear them. [interview pauses; then resumes]\n\nSCHOENBERG: We took a break there with some noise. We were talking about space\nfor ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7020.0,7050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dance. I think we pretty much covered that topic of space for dance.\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I had several other things, areas that I have thought about. One of\nthe things: Do you ever miss your ballet, now that you are doing the . . .\n\nBARNETT: The modern?\n\nSCHOENBERG: The modern.\n\nBARNETT: No. That's another question that I am asked all the time. I really\ndon't, Ann, I am totally grateful for the order in which everything happened in\nmy life. I did both, once I discovered the modern, I did both of them for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7050.0,7080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"almost\nten years. I guess I did the ballet probably two years past where I really\nwanted to because I was needed and there was nobody to do the roles that I was\ndoing here in Atlanta at the time. The last year I think almost with resentment,\nwhich is good because by the time I quit I knew I was really . . . I had thought\nabout it; I knew I wanted to quit and got forced into doing one more role and\none more time and so by the time I really did quit . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Were you forced by your husband?\n\nBARNETT: Well not forced but begged and pleaded with and . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7080.0,7110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Cajoled?\n\nBARNETT: Cajoled, right. I don't miss it at all. In fact, when I even try to\ntake a ballet class now, I do a lot of barre. I do the first, the warmup, at the\nbarre but when I try to take a ballet class now, I feel almost . . . It is like\na mother language; it comes right back. But it almost feels phony; it doesn't\nfeel real to me. It is like playacting, like a little girl dressed up in her\nmommy's clothes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Speaking of playacting what are you planning to do when you . . .\n\nBARNETT: Retire?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Finally ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7110.0,7140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"retire from dance? Obviously, one does eventually retire.\n\nBARNETT: Eventually I know.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You may be 95 but . . .\n\nBARNETT: No, I will at some point definitely quit dancing, performing. I have\ngiven that obviously a great deal of thought. I haven't come up with the answer.\nI only know that it will be very necessary for me to find something to do that I\nam excited every morning about getting up to do because I have spent my life\nthat way. It will be a challenge. I talked I think on the last tape of the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7140.0,7170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"possibility of starting and doing some acting. I could do that, I think. I think\nprobably I would be very good at it once I got my voice trained. That would keep\nme in the theater and would keep the wonderful performing going on. But there\nare so many causes that I believe in that I could really almost give up dance\nand go work for a cause. I really don't know what it is going to be. Whatever it\nis, it would be that kind of commitment.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What kind of cause? Which, off the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7170.0,7200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"top of your head, might you choose?\n\nBARNETT: Medical freedom and education in this country. The education of medical\n. . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Medical personnel?\n\nBARNETT: Of medical alternatives, that we do not have to believe everything that\nour doctors tell us, and we don't have to believe everything that the AMA\n[American Medical Association] and the NCI [National Cancer Institute] and the\ngovernment, the FDA [Food and Drug Administration] tells us. I think they have\nbeen proven wrong enough times that . . . of things that they have let through\nand other things that they won't let into this country. It is very upsetting to\nme that people I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7200.0,7230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think mostly don't take that responsibility because they don't\nknow it is out there because such negative things are written about the \"quacks\"\nand this and that. But so many things are not quackery. And I think slowly they\nare coming out . . . Nutrition. I have often thought . . . even, I have used in\ncreative movements classes with children when I was teaching nutrition as a\ncreative movement subject that if you drink a Coca-Cola, how does your body\nfeel? You are all hyper. If you eat a banana instead, it has the same amount of\nsugar ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7230.0,7260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"energy given to you, how calmly you know the body energies are all in the\nright place . . . that kind of thing. With young children I just think that it\nis sad that people are not really aware of it and the few times you try to get\nsomething done, some big money politically just destroys it. I really just feel\nso strongly about freedom of choice.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you use physicians in this city?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, I do use physicians because I have not yet found ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7260.0,7290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the ideal . . . I\nwould always use a physician. I am right now in the process of some interviewing\nand looking for an M.D. who has gone into naturopath treatment. But I want an\nM.D. I want them to have gotten . . . It is kind of like modern art. I think\nthat the great modern artists are ones who know the rules but dare to break\nthem. I think a naturopath is not quite the same because you don't want to break\na medical rule, but who has really gone ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7290.0,7320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"beyond what they have been taught in a\ntextbook and actually it is not beyond . . . it is going back. Primitive people,\nearlier people knew a great deal more about good health. Doctors know a lot\nabout illness. They know very little about good health, I feel.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You practice more . . . Or what you would prefer is somebody who\npractices a form of preventive medicine . . .\n\nBARNETT: Preventive medicine and natural healing methods, of which there are\nmany. Nutrition is one. I think, as many wonderful books have been ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7320.0,7350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"written, the\nmind is another.\n\nSCHOENBERG: The power of positive thought?\n\nBARNETT: The power of positive thought. I mean we are healers. We all can heal\nourselves. We are meant to heal and to be in good health. And we are not taught\nthat in any way. We are not encouraged about it by doctors. I would like to see\nthat happening. World peace. I could easily go to work for World Peace. I am\njust such a cause-oriented human being, and I have never had time to really get\nas involved in those things as I could if I quit dancing. I don't know what it\nis going to be. I think, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7350.0,7380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, I am just leaving myself completely open to opportunities.\n\nSCHOENBERG: How long do you think it will be before you are ready to retire? Do\nyou have a clue?\n\nBARNETT: I really don't have a clue. I was talking today. Carl was talking about\nsomething . . . Oh no, it was Bobby who said in 1988, 1989 I forgot now what it\nwas . . . It was something, I was going to be sixty so it wouldn't be . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, it wouldn't be now.\n\nBARNETT: It wouldn't be 1989.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Six years from now.\n\nBARNETT: That's just six years from now. I think I probably will do that. It was\nsomething to do with a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7380.0,7410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"special performance. I have forgotten what it was right\nnow. I am taking each day as it comes. One day at a time.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was Bobby a good dad?\n\nBARNETT: He was a loving dad.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was he interested and involved in the boys' upbringing?\n\nBARNETT: No, no, not involved. Caring. I think . . . He asked me so many times,\n\"How did you know that?\" Or one of the kids would bring a friend in or somebody,\nand I would say \"That's John.\" And he would say, \"How do you know?\" And I would\nsay, \"Well, how do I know? He is David's best friend.\" Or I would say something\nabout one of the kids, and he would say ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7410.0,7440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"How do you know that?\" And I said\n\"Because I asked them about it. I talked to them about it.\" He wasn't terribly\ninvolved that way. But he loved them, and he played with them. And he wrestled\nwith them, and he raced around the house with them. He is an affectionate, very\ndemonstratively and openly affectionate person. He was with them, and I think\nthey knew that he loved them. But I don't think he was involved at all in their\nlives when they were growing up. [interview pauses; then resumes]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where were we?\n\nBARNETT: What was I going to do when I quit dancing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Right, right, among other things. No, we were talking about Bobby.\nThat's what we were talking ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7440.0,7470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about.\n\nBARNETT: Whether he was a good dad.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Whether he was an involved dad. He didn't go like your own father\ndid to all of the boys' athletic things in the middle of the night?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, sometimes he did. Those things he did do, most of the time. Like\nthe hockey games at three and four o'clock in the morning. I have to say in his\ndefense that he was not always available at three o'clock in the afternoon to go\nsee, or four o'clock to go see a soccer game. And I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7470.0,7500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"made myself available. He\nwas teaching and I was able not to have to teach those years. But he didn't get\nup and take them to school and he didn't help with their homework. I think I\nsaid to David once if I said it a million times, \"Do you know you have two\nparents?\" He would say, \"Mom, mom, help me tie my shoe. Mom, mom--,\" and Bobby\nmight be sitting watching television and I was doing six other things. I would\nsay \"You have another parent, Dave. Go ask your dad. He's just sitting in there.\nAsk him if he will tie your shoe for you.\" \"Oh, he will just get mad at me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7500.0,7530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if I\ninterrupt him.\" And mad, Bobby doesn't get mad. \"Mad\" to them was [disappointed]\n\"Oh David.\" So, they didn't ask. They just walked in the door and the first word\nout of their mouths was \"Mom.\" I think that is typical of a lot of children. I\ndon't think that's . . . That's not even a criticism of Bobby. There were times\nthat I felt critical about it but when I look back on it now, he was that way,\nand I was that way. I think he missed out almost more than they missed out by\nnot being into it. I think you get out of what you put into ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7530.0,7560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything. I think we\nboth have a wonderful relationship with the boys, but my relationship is\nin-depth and his is just a very good communicative relationship.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You fleetingly alluded to a problem that Robbie had; with drugs I gather?\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Is that something that you would rather not talk about?\n\nBARNETT: No, I think it is a pretty common thing today and everybody who hides\nit and tries to push it under the carpet is a loser. It was a typical problem\nwith drugs. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7560.0,7590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"started off experimenting with pot I guess at about fourteen or\nfifteen. I'm not quite sure when it started because obviously I was not aware of\nit. I was aware enough to kind of be looking for it but I didn't see it because\nI didn't know what to look for. So many times as a parent of my age or\ngeneration there were a lot of things that you fear or worry about. That was not\none of them. It was so new then. There was nobody to turn to. It went from pot\nto ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7590.0,7620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cocaine. I think Robbie experimented with a lot of them but cocaine was\nreally the addiction. And he spent some time at Peachford [Hospital] and all of\nthe horrors that go along with that. Going from a straight A student to a\nfailing student. It was devastating and the whole time not knowing. Having\npeople say, \"Kick him out of the house.\" \"Forbid it.\" Those were everybody's\nanswers. They were definitely not my answers. That was something I never did.\nThere was many, many a night that I sat up waiting, wondering, was he coming\nhome, where he was, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7620.0,7650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[indistinct], punishing him. Doing everything I knew to do,\nshoving it more underground. The more I found out, the more I snuck around and\nlistened to phone conversations and snuck in his room when he wasn't home and\nthe more I found out and confronted him with, the less I found out later on. It\nwas just shoving the whole thing more underground.\n\nSCHOENBERG: How did you finally cope with it . . . or get him to cope with it?\nIt wasn't your problem.\n\nBARNETT: He was at college. He was at college. I had insisted that I got a copy\nof his grades because I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7650.0,7680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew that he was having a problem, though he had\npromised me as he had promised many times that he was going to stop. I called\nhim up one night and I said, \"Robbie, pack up your things, get in your car, and\ncome home. I have something I want to talk with you about.\" And he said, \"What\nis it, mom?\" And I said, \"If you want to continue with any sort of support from\nus at all, just do as I say.\" So, he did. He was in Florida in school and he\ncame home. I sat him down at the table and I told him what I knew that he could\ncontinue to lie to me all he wanted to. It didn't matter. I knew what I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7680.0,7710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew. I\ndidn't know it all, and I may have known a few things not correctly but I knew\nenough. I was giving him a choice: Either he went into a rehab center, or he\ncould take everything that he owned out of this house and hit the streets. And\nhe said, \"That's not much choice, mom.\" And I said, \"Robbie I think at twenty\nyears old that is a beautiful choice. But it is totally your decision.\" I wish I\nhad done it five years earlier than I did because it was an either-or. It wasn't\nkicking him out of the house. He was perfectly willing to stay here or ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7710.0,7740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to stay\nin our lives and be supported. But not without going to a rehab center. I said,\n\"You have a choice and I want to know the answer by tomorrow morning.\" I had\nalready of course made arrangements at Peachford because I knew my son well\nenough to know what his choice was going to be. When he came in the next morning\nand said he would go, resentfully you know, \"I don't need to go\" and the whole\nstory. I don't know if you know. I hope you don't know but it's pretty awful. I\nsaid, \"Okay well pack up your bags because we are going right now, this minute.\"\n\nSCHOENBERG: How long was he treated?\n\nBARNETT: Six ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7740.0,7770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"weeks. I think it is such a wonderful experience. It is not like\ngoing to jail. It is a place with people who have similar problems, the same\nproblems, all coming from different backgrounds, different reasons. They were\nforced to delve into themselves in a way that most people, unless they go for\nsome sort of psychotherapy, don't ever, ever do. They are never allowed to even\ntalk about what they think, it's what they feel about what they think. Or they\ncan talk about what they think but then the next thing is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7770.0,7800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"How do you feel about\nthat?\" I think that there was just a tremendous awakening. It made an incredible\ndifference in how Robbie and I relate. He is still trying to catch up for the\nfive years that he really lost. He is immature, sweet, wonderful, so bright and\nso capable and he is still catching up to himself. But he is on the road.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you think he has ever fallen off?\n\nBARNETT: Oh yes, I am sure that he has. I am not positive because I haven't been\nthere but I think he has. I think first of all, Ann, and even ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7800.0,7830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"many of the\ncounselors at Peachford were not sure that Robbie was what they call really\naddicted, had the disease of addiction. I think a lot of it was just getting\naway with it and he was definitely abusing, definitely abusing, but I am not\nsure that he was physically addicted to the point that he had a real disease you\nknow, like an alcoholic is. Most of the counselors felt that way that he was\nright on the line.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Do you think that . . . You talked about the fact that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7830.0,7860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he had the\nopportunity to delve into his feelings. Has that been detrimental in some ways?\nHas it made it harder for him to re-establish relationships? Not with you\nobviously, but with his peers?\n\nBARNETT: He did not re-establish relationships with any of the peers, any of his\nusing buddies, which is one of the things that of course they greatly encourage\nnot to do. He made new friends. There was only friend that he had before he went\nin that he has kept in touch with and probably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7860.0,7890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is one of his best friends today.\nBut he . . . when Robbie went into treatment, he quit on his own. He has been a\nreally very good influence I think on Robbie because the rest of them he doesn't\nsee at all and didn't see at all. That is almost a necessity to break that pattern.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was thinking more in terms of just relating to other young people\n[in] his own age group. I mean does he . . . I have a hard time, I don't know\nhow to quite express my question. It comes from personal experience is why ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7890.0,7920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I . .\n. not with my children but rather with a cousin of mine who had a similar kind\nof thing, spent a good deal of time.\n\nBARNETT: In treatment?\n\nSCHOENBERG: In treatment; and once he was in a halfway situation and then able\nto go back to the University couldn't deal with the relationships anymore.\n\nBARNETT: In normal society.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Normal relationships because he was so overly sensitized and so open.\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7920.0,7950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Others didn't understand him because he would talk about his\nfeelings and things of that sort that were foreign to them because they had not\nexperienced or gone through this kind of sensitization.\n\nBARNETT: I don't think . . . I have not seen that with Robbie. Of course, Robbie\nnow is twenty-nine years old and he was fairly old by the time I got him into\ntreatment. I would have put him in had I been able to five years earlier. But\nyou can't put somebody twenty years old in treatment. They have to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7950.0,7980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want to go,\nand I think probably the fact that he is that much older maybe that is not true.\nHe doesn't have a group of friends. He has a few very, very good friends and\nthat may be your answer. I don't think he is . . . He didn't go back to school.\nHe wasn't really faced with having to react in an old situation to a new\nfinding. I think the most negative aspect of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=7980.0,8010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whole thing, and it has nothing\nto do with rehabilitation or the rehab center treatment, is the immaturity. The\ndrug scene aside from the terrible damage it does physically and psychologically\nto a whole family and to the person I think the worst is that the most important\nyears of learning to problem solve and learning to go through those adolescent\nyears that are hard. At their very best they are hard. If you are drugged out\nthrough those years, you don't learn to problem solve. Robbie is still learning\nto ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8010.0,8040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"problem solve. He doesn't problem solve well and he may never problem solve\nas well as someone who has done it at the right time in the right order. And he\nmay end up doing it better in the long run. It just depends on how hard he wants\nto work at that. But any little problem . . . His best friend was killed in an\nautomobile accident at fifteen, and within minutes after he heard, after we\nheard, Robbie got stoned.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's escape.\n\nBARNETT: Total escape and you know I realize that that's what he was doing. Any\nlittle problem, homework, exams, escape the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8040.0,8070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"problem. Don't face it. Don't solve it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You have sort of indicated that although he was innately quite\nbright, he was of the opinion or of the nature that he wanted things the easy\nway not, as you said . . .\n\nBARNETT: Immediate gratification.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You had something to the effect that . . . Let me think how you\nphrased it. Something not that the world owed him a living, but that it would be\nnice if . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8070.0,8100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BARNETT: If it did.\n\nSCHOENBERG: If it did, right.\n\nBARNETT: If life worked that way.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So that all ties together.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, that's just an immature, that's a totally immature reaction to a\nnot-life situation. Life just does not work that way. I guess it does for some\nbut you pay for it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You feel there is retribution or something coming?\n\nBARNETT: No, I think the retribution is a wasted life. To me, life is meeting\nchallenges and setting new ones and accomplishing. I think if I could pray for\nsomething for my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8100.0,8130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children or people that I love, it would be first good health\nand second productive accomplishments. Then you don't have to say anything else\nbecause then you are happy. If you are healthy, and you are productively\naccomplishing then you don't have to ask for anything else. And right now,\nRobbie is ninety-five percent more productive than he has ever been since\nfourteen but probably will never reach the potential that is there. That is a\nlittle bit painful for me, but it is so much better than it was that again I\nhave to take each day as it comes, and if it gets better instead of worse, then\nit is better.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8130.0,8160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Your expectations for your sons?\n\nBARNETT: To be the best at whatever they did only, and I really honestly did not\ncare what it was. I think that one of the sexiest things in life is expertise\nand I can stop and watch bricklayers if I am walking down the street and see\nsomebody really doing a beautiful job of bricklaying, I can stop and stand there\nfor a half hour and watch anybody do anything if they are doing it really well\nand involved in what they are doing. I feel that way ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8160.0,8190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to this day. Just be the\nbest you can. Maybe not better than anybody else; that's an unrealistic\nexpectation. The best you can be. That's all I would ask.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, you are not really demanding in the classical sense?\n\nBARNETT: No, you mean that they be professional and that they are successful and\nthat they're . . . ? No, because I really don't know that many fulfilled people\nthat have led those lives successful monetarily. I think more often than not\nmoney causes more problems than it solves -- too much.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you see that with your own family?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8190.0,8220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BARNETT: No, I didn't see it with my father at all. I didn't see it with my\nfather at all.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And your mother?\n\nBARNETT: Well, my mother really never had money. I mean, you know, she had money\nbecause of being married to Daddy but she did not come from a wealthy family. It\nwas a very highly educated and comfortable family but not a wealthy family. I\nsaw it with most of their friends and a lot of my friends and just I think from\nobserving the whole party, jet-set, buying. Things that money can buy.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Your sister, your brother?\n\nBARNETT: My brother, yes; my sister, no. My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8220.0,8250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brother is a compulsive buyer,\nalmost to an illness.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Buckhead?\n\nBARNETT: Buckhead. I have a name for Buckhead people, and I am one of them, so I\ncan say it. I call them \"Buckheadoids.\" And, of course, that is a generalization\nand a very, sort of, bitchy thing to say, because they are probably . . . there\nare wonderful people in Buckhead. There are wonderful, wealthy people doing\nwonderful, wonderful things with their money. I'm not being judgmental in that\nway. Just from observing, on my standards of happiness and life and observing\nover just year after year in New York, wherever I have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8250.0,8280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gone, wealthy people\naren't any happier than poor people, and most of them are not as happy as a lot\nof comfortable people. Poor is very sad. I don't know. I have so often said I\nlive like an imperialist, and I really, I guess, I believe like a socialist. Not\na communist, but a socialist. I think we could all balance things out a little\nbit better.\n\nSCHOENBERG: But it is easier to say that when you are sitting on top of a large\nstack of dollar bills.\n\nBARNETT: Well, I said I live like an imperialist. I am saying, I am living very\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8280.0,8310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"comfortably, I don't think extravagantly, and I really have never seen\nextravagance in my family anywhere. And it was certainly preached against if\nanything or . . . I don't remember it really ever coming up, but the philosophy\nwas so . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: The values.\n\nBARNETT: The values. I think truly I have felt if anything, having come from a\nfamily with money and everybody knowing it has been one of the most difficult\nparts of my life. Not being judged as a human being first. I find ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8310.0,8340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"myself saying\nthings to kids, dancers at the studio, all of whom, of course, are underpaid and\noverworked, so sincerely when I said things like, \"How can you feel that way\nabout not wanting to put in some extra time?\" Or if we ask somebody to do\nsomething . . . \"That's easy for you to say.\" It never occurred to me.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, giving time and energy and of your physical being to dance,\nrehearsal time, whatever, had nothing to do with whether you had means behind\nyou or not.\n\nBARNETT: Nothing whatsoever.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8340.0,8370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: So, there's no real basis for that kind of a . . .\n\nBARNETT: No, no.\n\nSCHOENBERG: . . . of that kind of rebuttal.\n\nBARNETT: No, but I have had conversations with dancers over the years I mean\nprofessional dancers in New York City Ballet when we were just sitting around\njust chewing the fat. Somebody would say, \"I wonder if I would have been a\ndancer if I hadn't had to be a dancer.\" And I said, \"What are you talking\nabout?\" \"Well, I had the natural talent and Mom sent me to dancing school and I\nwent you know and . . . \"\n\nSCHOENBERG: And they had spent all this money.\n\nBARNETT: All this money and all this time and \"I had to be a dancer. You didn't\nhave to be a dancer. Why would anybody work that hard?\" And I said \"You don't\nunderstand, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8370.0,8400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had to be a dancer. You didn't have to be a dancer. I had to be a dancer.\"\n\nSCHOENBERG: But you really had other choices.\n\nBARNETT: I had any other choice.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You could have gone to college. You could have married.\n\nBARNETT: Oh, I did. I took my SAT's and I . . . I don't think Daddy really\nbelieved that I was not going to college until the day I left for New York.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Had you applied?\n\nBARNETT: Yes, my best friend went to Wellesley [College] and I had applied and\nwas accepted with her and had no intention . . . The whole thing was a game. I\nhad no intention.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Was this Ellen?\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You would have been the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8400.0,8430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"class of 1956?\n\nBARNETT: I graduated from high school in 1952.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You would have been there when I was there.\n\nBARNETT: Did you go to Wellesley?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I sure did.\n\nBARNETT: Well, Ellen was there.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was trying to place her. I can't. I was only there two years.\n\nBARNETT: It's a big school, too.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well not really, but I was just there the two years, then I got\nmarried so I didn't know a lot of people. Let me look over my notes here. I know\nwhat else I wanted to . . . I did want to touch on something else and we had\nsort of . . . We had been talking a little something ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8430.0,8460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about, tangentially about\nthis and never really got into it. I asked you some questions about Atlanta and\nthe years growing up and your relationship with your family and all this, but\nwhat I didn't really ever get into and I think it might be of some interest in\nthe future, were two separate kinds of relationships: the relationships that you\nhad as a Reform Jew, growing up as a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8460.0,8490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reform Jew, here in Atlanta with people\nother Jewish people in the community and with non-Jewish people in the\ncommunity. That's one of the areas.\n\nBARNETT: I'm not sure that I was even aware as a young child of who was Jewish\nand who wasn't. Almost all of my parents' friends, I mean the people that came\nhere Saturday night bridge clubs and parties and things were Jewish and were of\nthe Jewish community. I have no idea how any of them even felt about their\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8490.0,8520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewishness as a religion. I mean I don't know if they went to Temple. I don't\nknow what they did. My family didn't except for my mother always on High Holy Days.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you not go with her?\n\nBARNETT: Always, yes. And we went to Friday night services when we were in New\nOrleans with my grandparents. But it was . . . I really honestly can't say that\nI was aware of who wasn't and of course Daddy being in the position he was,\nthere was as many times that there were people here who were not Jewish, but\nsocially. Not his business associates, I would say, but socially ninety percent\nof my parents' friends were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8520.0,8550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish and the people that I grew up with and went\nto Sunday School with and went to the Standard Club Saturday night dances with\nand dated and you know. I was definitely brought up more in the Jewish\ncommunity. Most of my friends at dancing were not. I don't have any solid\nfeelings about how I felt about that. I mean it was not important.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did you know that the other half of the Jewish community, or the\nother halves since there were really three parts to the community.\n\nBARNETT: Right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Especially in those days.\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8550.0,8580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Was there any interaction in your day . . . Do you remember much\ninteraction or any interaction with any of the families that belonged to the AA\n[Ahavath Achim] or to the Sephardic Or VeShalom?\n\nBARNETT: You know, Ann, some of the people very possibly that were an intimate\npart of that circle might have been and I wouldn't have known it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: It was just something you really weren't aware of . . .\n\nBARNETT: It was just not a question that I had, a curiosity that I had. I guess\nit was such a personal thing with me and the way I felt ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8580.0,8610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about religion or about\nGod that it never occurred to me, probably, to delve into anybody else's. There\nwas not much talk about it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You indicated that if you had had your preference on those Sunday\nafternoons after you had moved back to Atlanta , being as private as you were\nand as jealous of your solitude, or whatever, that you would have preferred not\nhaving so many people around.\n\nBARNETT: I am not a people-person at all. I love . . . The people I love, I\nlove. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8610.0,8640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am happiest alone or surrounded by a few people at a time, people that I\nreally care about. It's not that I don't like . . . I have never been a people\nperson. As a child I was so shy that I would do anything not to have to even\ntalk to anybody. I still can get almost nauseated when I have to go to a party.\nI have learned with maturity to put it in its proper perspective and think: It's\ntwo hours out of my life big deal, I'll playact. I'll think of a character I am\ngoing to be that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8640.0,8670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"night and play through it. But to walk into a roomful of\npeople, to this day, that I don't know . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: But you have no shyness on stage.\n\nBARNETT: No because you get out of yourself on stage. You are out of yourself.\nYou are not being judged at all. And the painful shyness has gone away socially.\nIt is not painful, really. I almost really now think of it as a waste of time. I\nthink there is always something else I would rather be doing. Bobby says,\n\"Ginger, I see you at a party. You are just faking. You don't hate it. You are\njust lazy about going. You couldn't look like ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8670.0,8700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you are having as good a time as\nyou are having as hate it as much you talk about it.\" And I really do.\n\nSCHOENBERG: This is the third tape of an interview with Virginia Rich Barnett in\nher home on the May 4, 1988, in Atlanta, Georgia. The interviewer is Ann\nSchoenberg. We were talking about your painful shyness as a child and the fact\nthat you have learned to work through that.\n\nBARNETT: Yes, I have learned to work through it. But I think we were saying,\nabout parties and big ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8700.0,8730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people and lots of people, that I would always prefer\nbeing at home. Sitting at my desk, listening to music, reading a good book.\nSitting out on the patio just staring at the sky and daydreaming. My wonderful\nlittle fantasy daydreams are more interesting than most parties. It is a selfish\nstreak with me. I really am selfish with my time. I am very unselfish with every\nother part of my being. I'm very selfish with my time unless I am helping\nsomebody. Then I will almost wear my own health out staying up too late ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8730.0,8760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and\ndoing it if it is to help somebody. I probably would have been a good nurse if I\nhadn't gotten so emotionally involved with it, which I have a tendency to do\nwith people who are ill.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Your mother's illness must have been very difficult for you because\nyou weren't here. I mean as much because you weren't here as anything else.\n\nBARNETT: That's right. I did take a leave of absence the last two months of the\nillness. Daddy was wonderful and got a room next to her and I never left. For\ntwenty-four hours. I would come home take a shower, change, and go back. I ate\nthere slept there. It was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8760.0,8790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"horrible, Ann. Of course, that is a ridiculous thing\nto say. We were so close. I was such a love child, and you know she was the most\nloving human being that I am sure that I will ever have in my life. But the only\nthing that saved me . . . And I don't know what brilliant sense of philosophy or\nhow this happened. It was like given to me from another spirit, I think. I can\nremember sitting one night, she was asleep, [I was] looking at Mommy and\nthinking, \"If I was laying in that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8790.0,8820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bed and she was sitting in this chair she\nwould not be able to stand it. And I know at least that I can stand it.\" And\nfrom that moment on it was almost like I was . . . That was the only positive\nthing I could come up with,\n\n\"Thank God this has not been reversed because there is no way she could have\ndealt with this the way she felt about me.\" I felt that way about her but then\nthere is a little bit more natural, the laws of nature that a parent that we\nknow at some point, we will lose a parent, but losing a child and having now had\nchildren I know how right I was. So, it was painful but it was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8820.0,8850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also, I have to\nsay, at a period in my life I was at the beginning . . . I had just gotten into\nthe New York City Ballet. I had just met Bobby. I was in love. I was fulfilling\na lifelong dream so that my life was at the bottom of the mountain going\nstraight up. That probably is one of the things that saved me from just being\ndevastated. [I was] sad, mourned, all the normal healthy things, but I survived\nit because life is for the living and I was just beginning to really live. But I\ndid spend the last two ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8850.0,8880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"months with her completely.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Were you always the pillar of support among the three children?\n\nBARNETT: No, I was sort of always the odd one out. I rarely fought with either\nof my siblings. They were constantly fighting with each other. I was the\npeacemaker when possible. But more times than not in my own little selfish way I\nwould remove myself from the scene and go off and do my own thing. It is amazing\nnow . . . And they were very critical of me. Sally, both of them growing up,\nvery ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8880.0,8910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"critical, out of jealousy which I can understand because I was so the\nfavorite child and the love child and also because I was so secure that they\ncouldn't get to me. I mean I was insecure in personal ways but so secure in what\nI was going to do and who I was. And it is completely reversed now. I now\ndefinitely am the . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Strongest of the three?\n\nBARNETT: The strongest of the three. And they recognize it. I mean they said how\nmany times, so many times to me, \"Who would have ever thought, Ginger, that you\nwould be the one that we all turn to . . . little you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8910.0,8940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[indistinct].\"\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, you had, certainly have, when you really look at your life in\nthe last thirty years you have led a much more conventional life than either of them.\n\nBARNETT: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Not necessarily \"conventional,\" meaning that you have been married\nto one person for thirty years.\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You have two children. You live in the same city in which you were\nborn and raised.\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You are doing what you always said you were going to do.\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: As far as your career and all. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8940.0,8970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you are content with your life\nfrom everything that I . . .\n\nBARNETT: I think that I probably had as close to a perfect life . . . I think\n[on] this plane of living this earthly plane , there is no such thing as\nperfection obviously, but knowing what's out there, I have had a pretty\nwonderful life and not just because it has been comfortable, because it always\nhasn't. You know I roughed it in New York. It is not that. It is not monetary.\nIt is everything. It is knowing what I wanted to do, having the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=8970.0,9000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talent to do it,\ngoing after it. Being loved as a child, having two loving children, a loving\nhusband, five intimately wonderful friends. I mean, I have lots of friends but\ntwo friends from early, early childhood.\n\nSCHOENBERG: One of whom is Ellen.\n\nBARNETT: Loving. Ellen Burke, yes. The other is Gwen Lanier [sp]. She was . . .\nShe still lives here and we don't see each other very often because our lives\ncouldn't be more different. She is a real Piedmont Driving Club social . . . We\nhave ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9000.0,9030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nothing today in common except the years of intimate girl relationships,\nsecrets and sharing as children. We can get together once a year and . . . I\njust wrote her a note the other night and I said, \"Okay it's been a year now.\nYou've got a grandchild that I haven't seen, I think it is time we get together\nand catch up.\" And we just sort of pick up where we left off and don't even talk\nabout the nonsense of what we don't have in common. I could turn to Gwen in a\nminute. She would be here in five minutes if I called her right now. She's a\nvaluable kind of friend. I have made others later. I consider my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9030.0,9060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sister right\nnow as one of my best friends. We are really very close. I can't think of very\nmany things I would do different. I can't think of anything I would do\ndifferently. I can think of things that I would said differently, done\ndifferently maybe with my children, but that's the only thing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: The other area that I would like to ask you a little something about\njust because it's of I think of historic interest generally is; You talked about\nGeorgia, who worked for your family. And Georgia was black.\n\nBARNETT: Georgia is black. She is still living.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9060.0,9090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she is still living? Great. Does she still work for you?\n\nBARNETT: No, no. She retired about five years ago, but we see her all the time.\nI went over to her house last week and every family picture . . . I mean it is\nsurrounding. She might as well be living here.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did she live in your dad's house?\n\nBARNETT: No, she didn't. She never lived in. We did growing up have live-in help\nand I did at one point with the kids when they were very young because I had so\nmany bad experiences with babysitters not showing up when I had to be somewhere.\nBut Georgia never ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9090.0,9120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did. She had her own house and has her own house to this day;\nbought it, paid for it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What kinds of relationships did you have in those days with black\npeople? Who, in those days, were called \"colored\" people.\n\nBARNETT: Yes. Nice people called them \"colored people.\" Loving ones\n[relationships]. We had actually, Georgia . . . . I was a teenager. I was almost\nready to leave home by the time Georgia came, but we had an old, old . . . She\nwasn't old but old [as] in long time ago when we were growing up. [She] looked\nlike ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9120.0,9150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ethel Waters, big fat black beautiful woman, Jerry [sp], that we loved. She\nlived in. We really loved her. She was the cook and everything. I mean she was\njust always there and spoiled us just so rotten. I would come home from school\nwith books in my arms, and she would say, \"Ginger, you are going to hurt your\nback carrying those books.\" And I would say, \"Come on, Jerry, now really I am\nperfectly capable of carrying my own books upstairs to my own room.\" Wouldn't\nlet us cook, wouldn't let me . . . I wanted to learn how to iron so bad, she\nsaid, \"You are going to burn those lily-white fingers if you iron.\" I said\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9150.0,9180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Jerry, we need to learn how to do these things. We are going to grow up in a\nworld where we . . . \" She never would let us do anything. She had to do\neverything for us. She was just . . . The most wonderful moments I remember with\nJerry is sitting in her lap, listening to her sing. She had the most God-given\nvoice, untrained. She would sing when she would cook, and I can remember sitting\nat the breakfast room table doing my homework and listening to Jerry sing. We\nreally loved people like that that were around all the time. But I have to say\nthat I didn't grow up in a typical ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9180.0,9210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Southern home. Mother and Daddy had black\nfriends and people for dinner so that there was not . . . You know, there was\nnot that separation of black and white. The only time I ever got my mouth washed\nout with soap, and it was Octagon soap by my mother. I had heard at school some\nkids telling a joke and they used the word \"nigger.\" And I came home and told\nthe joke to my mother and . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: That was unacceptable?\n\nBARNETT: It was totally unacceptable. But she explained why. She sat down after\nshe washed my mouth out with soap and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9210.0,9240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really went through the whole history, the\nBlack history in this country and explained why that word was used and why\npeople felt this way so that it made such perfect sense.\n\nSCHOENBERG: She was raised as a Southerner?\n\nBARNETT: She was raised as a Southerner by fairly prejudiced parents . . . I\nmean, educatedly prejudiced. They did not use that horrible word or feel that\nway towards the blacks, but it would have been totally unacceptable under any\ncircumstances to have a best friend or to date or to even consider dating. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9240.0,9270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My\nmother wouldn't have minded at all.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Or to invite them for supper?\n\nBARNETT: Oh, never. Never in her home but one of Mommy's [friends], and Daddy's\n-- Daddy because of the timing -- was Ralph McGill. He was a very close\nassociate who was, of course very liberal. He and mother were particularly\nintellectually close. I don't think, because of that whole thing that I really\nhave a typical Southern girl feeling about the black and white and still don't.\nI really don't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9270.0,9300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think that it would have bothered my mother at all had I married\na black man. I mean she had that little . . . She was totally free from any\n[prejudice]. Human beings were human beings if they were nice people. If it was\na nice man and kind and educated to a degree. She really was that liberal and\nthat's how I was brought up around that kind of talk.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Would your father have been quite as understanding?\n\nBARNETT: I don't think he would have tried to stop it or disowned me or done\nanything outrageous like that. He would have probably sat down and talked my\nhead off about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9300.0,9330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the reasons why I shouldn't. For the children's sake and\nthat. But not from any caring about what anybody else would think. I think those\nwere the values that were so wonderful. The reasoning that anything was . . .\nnot \"forbidden\" but I guess as a child really \"forbidden,\" there was always a\nreason that was explained. Sometimes I agreed with it and sometimes I didn't.\nBut it was always explained to us in a way that . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Where do you think that came from? Do you think that came from your\ngrandmother? Somebody must have instilled those values in your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9330.0,9360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father.\n\nBARNETT: I think probably my mother instilled them in my father. I think they\nwere Mommy's values and she was just so far ahead of her time in thinking in so\nmany ways. And I really believe had Mommy been able to live the liberated life\nthat she believed, she wouldn't have gotten sick.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Did she ever try?\n\nBARNETT: Yes. I think she was just torn between what she wanted to do and what\nshe felt her obligation was to do. And she met her obligations head on.\n\nSCHOENBERG: When did she try?\n\nBARNETT: She worked. She worked in the theater. She did some amateur theater\nwork. She did some radio work.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Before marriage or after?\n\nBARNETT: No, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9360.0,9390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Had she had a college education?\n\nBARNETT: She did not graduate from college. I think she had three years\n[indistinct]. Southern . . . New Orleans [indistinct]. I don't think she did. I\nthink she got married her senior year.\n\nSCHOENBERG: What year did they marry?\n\nBARNETT: 1929, I think, or maybe 1930. I know the day of their anniversary but I\nam not sure of the date.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay. Can you think of anything else that you would like to add?\n\nBARNETT: I can't think of anything, Ann. You have covered just about everything.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I have to conclude with a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9390.0,9420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"statement and I don't usually do this but\nI have to say that I think that you have been very open and have been very\ngiving of some very personal kinds of feelings. I think that that will be of\ngreat value.\n\nBARNETT: I hope it will be because I really don't believe that there is any\nreason to hide it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: We thank you very much for participating.\n\nBARNETT: You are very welcome. [interview ends; then is resumed].\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay, now we are going to go on and you are going to say what you\njust said to me now that I took the tape out. I can't believe you did this. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9420.0,9450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Continue.\n\nBARNETT: All right you can edit it back in. Well, I was saying . . . When you\nwere saying that it was a very good interview and I said it was not a very\nJewish interview and you said that really didn't matter, that I am what I am.\nBut I went on to say that it amazed me how often, and my best friend Ellen and I\nwere discussing, I will recognize something I say, do, act, react to, interact\nwith, and I suddenly realize that that has come from something in my Jewish\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9450.0,9480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"background that I can't pinpoint. A way I feel, a closeness in the family, a\nquestioning in the intellectually curious way that was stressed to me. The whole\neducation thing, though we are not a highly educated family, with both of my\nboys not having finished college and I didn't go to college. My sister didn't go\nalthough she has finally gotten a degree from taking courses. It wasn't that\nthat kind of education was stressed so much as constantly learning and\nquestioning and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9480.0,9510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"self-educating, how important that was. When I read, and I have\nread quite a bit, about the whole World War II, the Holocaust, I understand sort\nof instinctively so that there is a great deal of Jewishness in me that has just\ncome through. Certainly not through osmosis but through things that were not\nstressed as a Jewish thing but because of the whole Jewish background. The\neducation, the love, the . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: The values?\n\nBARNETT: The values, absolutely. Human values as well as . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9510.0,9540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, those are\nthe important values. For that reason, I feel very Jewish. I have gotten into\nsome wonderful conversations about this because I don't think that I look Jewish\nto the outside world or whatever that means. So that I have had . . . and much\nless as a child with freckles and you know a little square nose . . . I have\nfound myself in many conversations with people when they were talking about\nJews. I would always let them finish the conversation before I would tell them\nbecause I was just fascinated with . . . and then ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9540.0,9570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"try to set them straight, of\ncourse, if there had been misconceptions, with no defensiveness. I mean, I\nwasn't being attacked. I was sort of fascinated that people could be that stupid\nabout something that they didn't know anything about. I think that that of\ncourse came from my mother always explaining why people feel the way they do.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And the lack of bigotry in your own home.\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I think it is very obvious that you must have felt pretty secure.\n\nBARNETT: Very secure.\n\nSCHOENBERG: You have said that in several ways so that you never felt that was a\npersonal attack.\n\nBARNETT: That's right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: If ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9570.0,9600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"someone said something against Jewish people in front of you not\nknowing that you were Jewish.\n\nBARNETT: That I was. It got to be almost a game later on in life. I would almost\negg people on, let the conversation go further just so that I could embarrass\nthem . . .\n\nSCHOENBERG: Good.\n\nBARNETT: . . . when I finally told them. I did always forgive them.\n\nSCHOENBERG: People cannot help their stupidity.\n\nBARNETT: Well, yes, they can. Grown people can. Maybe children can't. They are\ntaught. But I really do believe that we are responsible for what we believe as\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9600.0,9630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/transcript/59728/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"adults. And I say that to my children. When Robbie sometimes will say, \"Mom,\nit's my fault, you did that.\" I say, \"Look kid, I made a lot of mistakes. And\nyou will make mistakes with your children. But any ones you don't like, you\nchange.\" And I really do believe that we are responsible for our own thinking\nafter a certain point. I realize that some things are so engrained that they\ndon't change but I think that if we recognize them as something that we want to\nchange then it is up to us to do it. Nobody is going to do it for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=9630.0,9660.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eMorris Rich (1847-1928) was the anglicized name of Mauritius Reich, a native of Hungary. He was the founder of Rich's, a department store retail chain headquartered in Atlanta that operated in the southern United States from 1867 until 2005. The store was founded on May 28, 1867, as M. Rich Dry Goods by the 20-year-old Morris Rich with only $500 in capital. In 1877 Morris’ brother Emanuel entered the business and the name of the store was changed to M. Rich and Brother, followed by Daniel in 1884, when the store was again renamed as M. Rich and Brothers. On January 12, 1901, a charter for incorporation was granted, and the firm became M. Rich and Brothers Company. Morris Rich was elected president at a meeting of stockholders on January 18, 1901. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003e[1] Rich's was a department store retail chain, headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia, which operated in the southern U.S. from 1867 until March 6, 2005 when the nameplate was eliminated and replaced by Macy's. It was founded by Hungarian Jewish immigrant Morris Rich (born Mauritius Reich) in Atlanta in 1867 as \"M. Rich \u0026amp; Co. Dry Goods\" Many of the former Rich's stores today form the core of Macy's Central, an Atlanta-based division of Macy's, Inc., which formerly operated as Federated Department Stores, Inc.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eHarvard Law School is the law school of Harvard University, a private research university in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Founded in 1817, it is the oldest continuously operating law school in the United States. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRichard H. “Dick” Rich (né Rosenheim, 1902-1975) was the grandson of Morris Rich, founder of M. Rich and Co. in Atlanta which eventually grew into Rich’s Department Store. He took over as president of Rich’s in 1949 and expanded the business to become the largest department store chain in the south. He was a philanthropist and civic and cultural leader active with many organizations including the Jewish Welfare Fund, the Jewish Community Center, and Camp Barney Medintz, the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce, and the Atlanta Arts Alliance.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Temple, or “Hebrew Benevolent Congregation,” is Atlanta’s oldest Jewish congregation. The cornerstone was laid on the Temple on Garnett Street in 1875. The dedication was held in 1877 and the Temple was located there until 1902. The Temple’s next location on Pryor Street was dedicated in 1902. The Temple’s current location in Midtown on Peachtree Street was dedicated in 1931. The main sanctuary is on the National Register of Historic Places. The Reform congregation now totals approximately 1500 families. As of 2022, its Senior Rabbi is Peter S. 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In 1905, it was reorganized as the “Standard Club” and moved into the former mansion of William C. Sanders near the site of Center Parc Credit Union Stadium (formerly Turner Field). In the late 1920s the club moved to Ponce de Leon Avenue in Midtown Atlanta. Later, the club moved to what is now the Lenox Park business park and was located there until 1983. In the 1980s, the club moved to its present location in Johns Creek in Atlanta’s northern suburbs.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eConfirmation is a coming-of-age ritual that originated in the Reform movement, which scorned the idea that at 13 years of age a child was an adult. They replaced bar and bat mitzvah with a confirmation ceremony at about age 16 to 18. In some Conservative synagogues the confirmation concept has been adopted as a way to continue and child’s Jewish education and involvement for a few more years.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRabbi Dr. David Marx (1872-1962) was a long-time rabbi at the Temple in Atlanta, Georgia. A native of New Orleans, he led the congregation’s move toward the practices of Reform Judaism. He served as rabbi from 1895 to 1946. 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In response, the Diocese disassociated itself with the school, and in the fall of 1963, Episcopalians from Atlanta and around the country picketed the school. In the fall of 1966, the school announced an admission policy that did not consider race or religion. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAnita and Lola Washington, two great nieces of George Washington, founded the Washington Seminary in 1878. The original school, which was conducted in their parlor, was called the “Misses Washington School for Girls.” In 1882 the name was changed to “Washington Seminary.” By the late 1940s, Washington Seminary was housed in a campus covering eight acres with seven buildings. Washington Seminary merged with the Westminster Schools in 1953.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/108380/file/209748/annotation_set/1173/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe North Avenue Presbyterian Church Day School was established in 1909 with 20 boys and girls. It stressed scholastic training, daily Bible Study, and Christian precepts. In 1920 the school moved to Ponce de Leon Avenue and grew. 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