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The Bonowitz family lived in several different cities during Saralyn’s childhood due to her father’s career as a professional Minor League baseball player and his off-season career with National Linen Service. Saralyn and her parents settled in West Palm Beach for seven years before her father was transferred to San Francisco, California. Following Joe, Saralyn and her mother moved to California, where the family lived in San Francisco and San Mateo for seven more years while Saralyn finished school.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAfter graduating high school, Saralyn attended Stephens College in Columbia Missouri where she majored in English. Saralyn graduated from Stephens College in two years and returned home to her parents in California, where she decided she wanted to move back South and continue college. Saralyn was accepted to and attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where she met her future husband, Gene Oberdorfer. At UNC, Saralyn got very involved in campus activities and she was selected to be the chairman of the Women’s Orientation and chosen to be inducted into the Order of the Grail-Valkyries.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAfter graduating from UNC with a degree in English and teaching, Saralyn went on to teach third grade for one year in the Atlanta school system. During that time, Saralyn and Gene got married in 1953 and had their first child, Mike. Saralyn and Gene went on to have two more children, Julie and Robin. Their son Mike had developmental disabilities which led to Saralyn and Gene supporting an independent living program to help Mike learn how to live on his own.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn had a very successful professional life where she accomplished a lot for her community in a lot of different areas. Her involvement with the Parent-Teacher Association (PTA) led to her being appointed to the Georgia State Board of Education where she able to work with other groups to get public kindergartens established in the state of Georgia. While on the Board of Education, Saralyn was also able to address and work to fix the issues of sexism and anti-Semitism found in school textbooks. Saralyn was also asked to serve on the Board’s television committee to help make public broadcasting more available in Georgia. Later, Saralyn was elected to the national PBS Board, which allowed her to make decisions for Georgia on a national level. While on the PBS Board, Saralyn worked on bringing more educational programming for children to the forefront of public broadcasting. From there, Saralyn helped push the Governor of Georgia to create a Georgia Telecommunications Commission. Once the Telecommunications Commission was established, Saralyn became the first vice chairman of the commission and helped the organization establish radio stations throughout the state with National Public Radio.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn continued to give back to her community when her time with the school and broadcasting organizations were done. Saralyn and Gene developed a semi-independent living program for people with disabilities that later became the Jewish Family \u0026amp; Career Services Independent Living Program. The Oberdorfers were also very involved with establishing a Charles Kuralt Memorial at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eSaralyn starts off the interview by discussing her early life and moving from city to city following her father’s baseball career. She also talks about her family’s history, how her parents met and married, how her father got into playing professional baseball, and how her father’s family came from Europe and settled in the United States. Saralyn reflects on her father’s baseball career as well as how he got started working for National Linen Service in the off season.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn discusses her time in various grade schools and how the family finally settled in West Palm Beach, Florida for seven years before they moved to San Francisco, California following her father’s promotion at National Linen. Saralyn and the interviewer discuss her move from Florida to California and how she settled into her new San Francisco home. They also talk about Saralyn’s social life while she was growing up and how the family always celebrated holidays together.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn recalls her college experiences at both Stephens College and later at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She mentions she went to Stephens to fulfill her mother’s dream of attending the college and how she got involved in campus life. Saralyn discusses her realization that she wished to move back to the South after graduating from Stephens, and how that realization led her to attend UNC. She talks about the struggles she had getting accepted into UNC and how her contacts from Stephens ultimately helped her get accepted into the school. Before discussing her time at UNC, Saralyn recounts her experience at the Jubilee celebration in Birmingham, Alabama. From there, Saralyn tells the interviewer about how she became involved with campus activities at UNC and how she met her husband, Gene Oberdorfer.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn discusses her family throughout the interview, mentioning how they moved from San Mateo, California to Chattanooga, Tennessee while she was at UNC. Her parents moved to Chattanooga to be closer to her, but also so her father could open up his own linen company. Saralyn talks about her father’s business partners and friends, and their new life in Chattanooga.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn moves on to the next phase of her life by discussing getting engaged to Gene and the struggles he had with the Selective Service. Gene ultimately was declared unfit to serve, and the two got married shortly after. She also talks about her life post-graduation and how her teaching career started. Though short, Saralyn talks about how she taught the third grade in an Atlanta elementary school for a year before giving birth to her son, Mike, and moving on to other careers. Saralyn also recalls when Gene contracted polio in 1956 and how his recovery ultimately led to them having two more children.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn discusses her son’s developmental disabilities, how they helped him with his education, his relationship with his siblings, and how they developed a semi-independent living program to help him and other like him. She also discusses what her two daughters, Julie and Robin, do for a living, where they live, and who their partners are.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe interview shifts to discussing Saralyn’s very successful public service career. Saralyn talks about how her involvement in the PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) ultimately led her to being appointed to the Georgia State Board of Education.  Sshe allso discusses her brief modeling career and how she started modeling at Stephens College. Saralyn tells the interviewer about her accomplishments while on the State Board of Education, and how the position opened up other opportunities for her to make a difference for the state of Georgia. Saralyn talks about being offered a position on the National PBS Board, whose work led to her being part of the creation of the Georgia Telecommunications Commission. She mentions her work on the Telecommunications Commission and how she worked to expand public broadcasting in Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn and the interviewer discus some of the projects she and Gene are still involved with at UNC and her time on the Atlanta Fulton Public Library Board. She and the interviewer discuss the changes in how children are reading and the rising rates of illiteracy in certain areas. Saralyn concludes the interview by saying she wants her legacy to be that is it important to get things done, and that she accomplished many things in her life. She says getting credit is not what’s most important, but rather that the work is done and that she did a good job.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/28453"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Saralyn Bonowitz Oberdorfer (personal name)","Joe Bonowitz (personal name)","Faye Conway Bonowitz (personal name)","Eugene \"Gene\" Oberdorfer II (personal name)","Mike Oberdorfer (personal name)","Julie Oberdorfer Leibel (personal name)","Robin Oberdorfer (personal name)","A. D. Frazier, Jr. (personal name)","Dorothy Felton (personal name)","George Busbee (personal name)","I. M. Weinstein (personal name)","Frederick \"Fred\" Graf (personal name)","Joseph Engel (personal name)","T. M. 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The Bonowitz family lived in several different cities during Saralyn’s childhood due to her father’s career as a professional Minor League baseball player and his off-season career with National Linen Service. Saralyn and her parents settled in West Palm Beach for seven years before her father was transferred to San Francisco, California. Following Joe, Saralyn and her mother moved to California, where the family lived in San Francisco and San Mateo for seven more years while Saralyn finished school.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAfter graduating high school, Saralyn attended Stephens College in Columbia Missouri where she majored in English. Saralyn graduated from Stephens College in two years and returned home to her parents in California, where she decided she wanted to move back South and continue college. Saralyn was accepted to and attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where she met her future husband, Gene Oberdorfer. At UNC, Saralyn got very involved in campus activities and she was selected to be the chairman of the Women’s Orientation and chosen to be inducted into the Order of the Grail-Valkyries.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAfter graduating from UNC with a degree in English and teaching, Saralyn went on to teach third grade for one year in the Atlanta school system. During that time, Saralyn and Gene got married in 1953 and had their first child, Mike. Saralyn and Gene went on to have two more children, Julie and Robin. Their son Mike had developmental disabilities which led to Saralyn and Gene supporting an independent living program to help Mike learn how to live on his own.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn had a very successful professional life where she accomplished a lot for her community in a lot of different areas. Her involvement with the Parent-Teacher Association (PTA) led to her being appointed to the Georgia State Board of Education where she able to work with other groups to get public kindergartens established in the state of Georgia. While on the Board of Education, Saralyn was also able to address and work to fix the issues of sexism and anti-Semitism found in school textbooks. Saralyn was also asked to serve on the Board’s television committee to help make public broadcasting more available in Georgia. Later, Saralyn was elected to the national PBS Board, which allowed her to make decisions for Georgia on a national level. While on the PBS Board, Saralyn worked on bringing more educational programming for children to the forefront of public broadcasting. From there, Saralyn helped push the Governor of Georgia to create a Georgia Telecommunications Commission. Once the Telecommunications Commission was established, Saralyn became the first vice chairman of the commission and helped the organization establish radio stations throughout the state with National Public Radio.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn continued to give back to her community when her time with the school and broadcasting organizations were done. Saralyn and Gene developed a semi-independent living program for people with disabilities that later became the Jewish Family \u0026amp; Career Services Independent Living Program. The Oberdorfers were also very involved with establishing a Charles Kuralt Memorial at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eSaralyn starts off the interview by discussing her early life and moving from city to city following her father’s baseball career. She also talks about her family’s history, how her parents met and married, how her father got into playing professional baseball, and how her father’s family came from Europe and settled in the United States. Saralyn reflects on her father’s baseball career as well as how he got started working for National Linen Service in the off season.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn discusses her time in various grade schools and how the family finally settled in West Palm Beach, Florida for seven years before they moved to San Francisco, California following her father’s promotion at National Linen. Saralyn and the interviewer discuss her move from Florida to California and how she settled into her new San Francisco home. They also talk about Saralyn’s social life while she was growing up and how the family always celebrated holidays together.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn recalls her college experiences at both Stephens College and later at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She mentions she went to Stephens to fulfill her mother’s dream of attending the college and how she got involved in campus life. Saralyn discusses her realization that she wished to move back to the South after graduating from Stephens, and how that realization led her to attend UNC. She talks about the struggles she had getting accepted into UNC and how her contacts from Stephens ultimately helped her get accepted into the school. Before discussing her time at UNC, Saralyn recounts her experience at the Jubilee celebration in Birmingham, Alabama. From there, Saralyn tells the interviewer about how she became involved with campus activities at UNC and how she met her husband, Gene Oberdorfer.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn discusses her family throughout the interview, mentioning how they moved from San Mateo, California to Chattanooga, Tennessee while she was at UNC. Her parents moved to Chattanooga to be closer to her, but also so her father could open up his own linen company. Saralyn talks about her father’s business partners and friends, and their new life in Chattanooga.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn moves on to the next phase of her life by discussing getting engaged to Gene and the struggles he had with the Selective Service. Gene ultimately was declared unfit to serve, and the two got married shortly after. She also talks about her life post-graduation and how her teaching career started. Though short, Saralyn talks about how she taught the third grade in an Atlanta elementary school for a year before giving birth to her son, Mike, and moving on to other careers. Saralyn also recalls when Gene contracted polio in 1956 and how his recovery ultimately led to them having two more children.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn discusses her son’s developmental disabilities, how they helped him with his education, his relationship with his siblings, and how they developed a semi-independent living program to help him and other like him. She also discusses what her two daughters, Julie and Robin, do for a living, where they live, and who their partners are.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe interview shifts to discussing Saralyn’s very successful public service career. Saralyn talks about how her involvement in the PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) ultimately led her to being appointed to the Georgia State Board of Education.  Sshe allso discusses her brief modeling career and how she started modeling at Stephens College. Saralyn tells the interviewer about her accomplishments while on the State Board of Education, and how the position opened up other opportunities for her to make a difference for the state of Georgia. Saralyn talks about being offered a position on the National PBS Board, whose work led to her being part of the creation of the Georgia Telecommunications Commission. She mentions her work on the Telecommunications Commission and how she worked to expand public broadcasting in Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaralyn and the interviewer discus some of the projects she and Gene are still involved with at UNC and her time on the Atlanta Fulton Public Library Board. She and the interviewer discuss the changes in how children are reading and the rising rates of illiteracy in certain areas. Saralyn concludes the interview by saying she wants her legacy to be that is it important to get things done, and that she accomplished many things in her life. She says getting credit is not what’s most important, but rather that the work is done and that she did a good job.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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Good morning, Saralyn, and thank you very much for\nallowing me to come and talk with you this morning. As a beginning, can you tell\nme just a little bit about your early life? Where you were born and who is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in\nyour family?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. Well, Shirley, it's nice to visit with you this morning. You\nand I have known each other peripherally for quite a while, but we don't know\nmuch about each other's backgrounds obviously. I was born on September 13th,\n1931, in Shreveport, Louisiana. My father was playing professional baseball at\nthe time with the Shreveport Stars, and I was born on the last day of the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"baseball season. I am an only child. My father, my mother, and me made a tight\nlittle group, and we traveled through life together. Both my parents are now\ndeceased, but in the early years we were a very warm and loving group.\n\nBRICKMAN: What was your dad's first name, and mom, too, please?\n\nOBERDORFER: All right. My father's name was Joe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bonowitz. He had a long career\nin baseball. My mother's name was Faye Conway Bonowitz. She was . . . he met\nher, I should say, he met her while he was playing baseball, and they married.\nAlthough she had been reared as a Roman Catholic, she converted to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judaism\nbefore they were married, actually in Kansas City, Missouri. They were married\nin Kansas City, Missouri in 19 . . . I guess it was 1922.\n\nBRICKMAN: What brought them to Shreveport?\n\nOBERDORFER: My dad was playing professional baseball. Wherever the teams went,\nor whoever had hired him, that's where he went. He was playing in the Southern\nAssociation in those days.\n\nBRICKMAN: How long had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he been doing this? What enticed him to choose that as a\nprofession? Or did they find his talent?\n\nOBERDORFER: My father was a first generation American. His family came to the\nUnited States to Circleville, Ohio, where they had relatives, or my grandfather\nhad relatives. My grandmother came some years later with whatever was left of\nthe family, because they had, I believe they had something like five children\nwhen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he [her grandfather] left Europe. When she got here, she came with about\nthree, I guess. They continued to have children. They ended up with seven girls\nand two boys who lived to adulthood. They were very poor. My grandfather moved\nfrom Circleville, Ohio to Columbus, Ohio. Because they were poor, they did\nwhatever they could to make a living. My father, being one of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the first boys but\none of the last children born, was expected, of course, to help support the\nfamily. He worked on market. He stood on market selling potatoes and things like\nthat for very little money per day. He finally decided he thought he had more\nskills than that. He was a wonderful athlete, so throughout his high school\nyears he was always on All-star teams and All-state teams in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ohio. He was\nrecognized as a great baseball player. He finally decided he was going to go\nplay baseball instead of stand on market all day. He eventually hooked up with\nsome semi-pro teams and eventually he broke into professional baseball as a\ncatcher. [Her father] had some great stories to tell about the early, early\nyears before ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the First World War.\n\nBRICKMAN: What part of Europe did his family come from?\n\nOBERDORFER: They were from Poland, right on the border with Russia. My\ngrandfather had been conscripted, not too happily of course, into the Russian\narmy where he served as a captain for many years through several of the Russian\nwars, and finally decided that there was no future for him. 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Caused a lot of problems in the family.\nThey thought it was frivolous and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fruitless and everything else until the first\nsummer my father went, the first year my father played professional baseball. He\ncame home, and he had saved up his money and he came to his mother, who was not\na very healthy woman, obviously after having something like 13 children. She was\nvery upset with him. He came to her, and he took 200 one dollar bills ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and threw\nthem into her lap. She said . . . she couldn't believe it. She thought he stole it.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's a fascinating story that fits into your life, beautiful\nmemories. What about your young years and grade school? Do you remember anything\nabout elementary school at all? Your friends, and what you did, and how you\nspent your time?\n\nOBERDORFER: We traveled a lot. My father played baseball, of course, during ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the\nbaseball season. In the off season, he worked for National Linen [Service],\nwhich was based here in Atlanta. He became great friends with A. J. Weinberg and\nI. M. Weinstein. They were great baseball fans. They would come to the ballpark\nand they would watch the games and became very close to my dad since he was one\nof the few Jewish ball players that was around in those days. They offered him a\njob in the off season, and he began to work for them as a salesman. In those\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"days, National Linen Service had what they called sales crews. They would send\nthese crews into a town to develop business for the plants there, for the rental\nof linens. It was an interesting marketing device which not very many companies\nuse anymore. But it was extremely successful for them. My father was one of\nabout five people on this sales crew. They became very fast friends. And, of\ncourse, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this was a Jewish oriented business. So he felt very comfortable with\nthe people he worked with at that point. More so than those he played baseball\nwith and were, you know, rather anti-Semitic because they really didn't know\nvery many Jews in the baseball field. They didn't know how to relate to them,\ndidn't even understand them.\n\nBRICKMAN: He was doing this marketing, going from small town to small town by car?\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, what they did was they would go into a city, a town, they\nweren't very big cities. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They would go, for instance, let's say to Asheville,\nNorth Carolina. They would stay there for maybe three months. During that time,\nthey would call on all the businesses that had a need for rental linens. They\nwould sign them up, you know, to take their rental linens. This was a very new idea.\n\nBRICKMAN: What year was this about?\n\nOBERDORFER: It would have been the early 1930's. I would guess maybe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1932, 1933,\n1934, somewhere in there. They went to Chattanooga [Tennessee]. My dad met a lot\nof people there, and eventually played baseball in Chattanooga. They were in\nNorfolk [Virginia], they were in Roanoke [Virginia or North Carolina], they were\nin all the little towns up and down the East Coast that National Linen had\nplants in. As that business began to grow, my dad eventually decided to go with\nNational Linen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on a full-time basis, and they made him a plant manager in West\nPalm Beach, Florida. Prior to that, we had lived in Orlando [Florida] and in\nKnoxville [Tennessee], all these towns where he was working as a crew member. I\nstarted school in Knoxville, Tennessee. I was in first grade in Knoxville. I was\nin second grade in Orlando. I was in third grade in West Palm Beach. So we\ndidn't have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much family, I mean the family didn't have family friends in any of\nthese places particularly because we were moving so regularly. When we finally\ngot to West Palm Beach, we were able to settle down and become a real part of\nthe community. We joined the temple there, and I began to go to Sunday School\nwhen I was, I guess I was by then about eight years old. Before that time, we\nhad not been any place ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long enough for us to establish any kind of contacts.\n\nBRICKMAN: So your friends really became family?\n\nOBERDORFER: It was just my . . . so I say, we were a very tight little unit\nbecause we didn't have outside friends. My dad did, but my mother was busy\nworrying with me. In those days, that's really all mothers did was take care of\ntheir children.\n\nBRICKMAN: How long did you stay in that part of Florida?\n\nOBERDORFER: We lived there for seven years. I finished elementary school there.\nJust as I was getting ready to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go into junior high school, my dad was\ntransferred. National Linen bought a large plant in San Francisco [California],\nand he was chosen to be the manager there. So right in the middle of the war\n[World War II], 1945, we were transferred to San Francisco. That was an odyssey\nfor mother and me to get from West Palm Beach, Florida all the way to San\nFrancisco during the years when travel for civilians was really ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"difficult. We\nhad airplane tickets to fly as far as Kansas City, Missouri, where my\ngrandmother lived in a little town right near there. We were going to stay with\nher for a couple of weeks on our way West.\n\nBRICKMAN: Whose mother was that?\n\nOBERDORFER: This is my mother's mother.\n\nBRICKMAN: Mother's mother, okay.\n\nOBERDORFER: My father's parents had all deceased by then. We went . . . and my\nmother's mother was the only living grandparent I had. So we went to visit with\nher. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got as far as New Orleans [Louisiana], and we were bumped. That was the\nterm that was used, we were bumped. You had to wait until another plane had\nspace for you because if, you know, if military men came through, they took the\nfirst precedence and they got first flight seats. So we had to wait. Well, the\nirony of it was that I was so sick on the plane, my first plane ride from West\nPalm Beach ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to New Orleans, that I said to my mother, \"Please, let's take the\ntrain. I don't want to go on the airplane.\" It took us two and a half days\nbefore we could get on another plane. In the meanwhile, there came through there\na hurricane with heavy winds and rain. I just said to my mother, \"Let's go back\nto Florida. God doesn't mean for us to go to California. First the airlines\nwon't take us and now God sent this terrible storm.\" Well, we saw all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the debris\nand everything flying through the streets and the rain and the windows being\nsmashed and everything during this terrible wind storm. I had lived through\nhurricanes in Florida, but I had never seen anything like this in my life.\n\nBRICKMAN: You're going to make it to San Francisco. When did you finally arrive\nthere after all of the bad weather?\n\nOBERDORFER: We arrived by train on probably the first week in July, maybe the\n10th or 11th of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"July. We were so, my mother and I both, and I guess my father\ntoo never bothered to tell us that July is the coldest month in the year in\nCalifornia. Anyhow, you can't come into San Francisco by train. You have to come\ninto Oakland [California], and then you took a ferry from Oakland across the Bay\ninto San Francisco. It was cold and windy. We thought it was, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, minus\nten degrees. But it was probably only about 35 [degrees]. But the wind was so\nfierce. And, of course, we never heard of wind chill in those days, but I'm sure\nit was very, very cold. Of course, I wanted to be out on the deck to see as we\ncame in, to see the Bay Bridge and all the excitement. All I saw were gray\nbattleships sitting in the bay. 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My father had a\nterrible ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time finding a place to live. When he was out there in hotels, they\nwould have to change his name every three or four weeks, or every week actually,\nbecause they were only allowed to have people stay in a hotel a week at a time\nbecause they had so much military personnel that was coming into the West Coast,\nbecause it was in the waning days of the war. Of course, we didn't know the war\nwas about to be over, but all the personnel, men and materials, were being moved\nto the West Coast. They just didn't have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"space in the hotels. But because\nNational Linen provided all of the linens for the hotels, they made an exception\nfor him and they skirted the law, but they would change his name every week so\nthat he was not the same person he was the week before. They'd move him to a\ndifferent room in the hotel. But when he went to look for housing, there was\nnothing available. He had a real estate agent who was trying to help him find\nsomething to rent. Finally the rental agent said to him, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Look, I don't have\nanything to rent. But,\" he said \"if you'll buy, I can probably move you up on my\nwaiting list and help you since I know you've got a school age child coming, and\nyou'll have to be settled for school. They'll be coming in July, and you'll have\nto go into school in August.\" He said, \"You don't have time for playing around.\nWe'll go ahead and put you at the top of the list. When something becomes\navailable, I'll call you.\" Well, ten minutes ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"later he [the real estate agent]\ncalled him back and said, \"I have a house.\" He said, \"It's not exactly what you\nprobably want, but,\" he said, \"I advise you to buy it.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh.\n\nOBERDORFER: Sight unseen, buy it.\n\nBRICKMAN: Okay.\n\nOBERDORFER: So my dad went and looked at it. The man said, \"Now you'll have to\ntake all the furniture that's in it too. I mean, you just have to buy it. It's a\nlock, stock and barrel. It's yours for $9,500.\" My father said, \"Fine. I don't\nhave ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"$9,500.\" The man says, \"Well, we'll get you a loan and we'll work it out.\"\nSo he bought this house. The only thing about it that we were not prepared for\nwas that it was a row house. It was connected all along. You drove in off of the\nstreet, under the house, into the garage. It was a very nice little house for\nwhere it was and what it was, but it was on a busy, busy street with streetcars\ngoing by. My mother was looking for a little house with a picket ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fence that she\nthought she was going to find when she got there.\n\nBRICKMAN: Was this anywhere near the school that you were going to attend?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, not too far. I could ride the city transportation to get to\nschool. It was maybe ten or twelve blocks, but they were long blocks. This was\nlike a Five Points situation. But it was in a residential section. It was near\nthe Mission District which was not the greatest area in San Francisco, but we\nhad no ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"choice really. Anyway, I went to school. I went to James Denman Junior\nHigh School for a year. Then I transferred to Balboa High School. I was there\nfor maybe six months, and then my mother had had all she could take of that\nlittle house on the Burnel Cut, and she decided that now was the time to move to\nSan Mateo [California], which is down the peninsula ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about 20 miles, and my dad\nwould have to commute. But they didn't mind because they were both so used to\nliving in areas where it was more residential, more, a little different, a\nlittle more laid back. Neither one of them loved the big city and they wanted to\nbe away from all the hustle and bustle.\n\nBRICKMAN: Plus it's a more quiet environment, too.\n\nOBERDORFER: It was a more quiet environment, right. It was more the kind of\npeople that we, or that they wanted to associate ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with. I didn't have much\nexperience at that point. People and I didn't, you know, I was comfortable\nwherever I went. I had been yanked around so much that I had learned to be very\nflexible and very resilient.\n\nBRICKMAN: Did you establish any friendships during the time you were at that\njunior high?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes! I had a few close friends, but you know, no lasting friendships\nreally. Just, you know --\n\nBRICKMAN: How did you spend your time? Having shifted from one place to another\nand finally establishing yourself, what did you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do socially at 13 or 14? Do you\nremember that?\n\nOBERDORFER: Oh, yes. We went to movies in groups. We had -- nobody had parties\nin their homes in those days. We always, I mean, none of us had very much money\nto do much with. But we could afford to go to the movies.\n\nBRICKMAN: And there were no shopping centers.\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, it's true. In fact, you could buy popcorn. That was about the\nbiggest thing you could do. You know, we didn't have that much money to do with.\n\nBRICKMAN: Was there any holiday celebration at all in the house? Do you remember?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. We always ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"celebrated holidays. We never had many people. I\nmean, it was just the three of us basically, but we always celebrated Shabbat\nand always celebrated the holidays. We didn't have any religious affiliation\nthat was organized, a temple or anything of that nature. We just were never\nthere long enough, you know, to get, to kind of get acclimated. San Francisco,\nfrom my perspective, was a very Catholic city because we lived in an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"area where\nthere were lots of Italians, and there were lots of Italians in the school where\nI went. I would guess there probably weren't more than maybe three or four\nJewish families in the whole area. It was not that part of San Francisco where\nthe Jewish people lived. We didn't have a choice where we lived. We could only\nfind this one place. But when we moved to San Mateo [California], we then began\nto make, I began to make friends with people, some of whom are still my very,\nvery close ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friends. In fact, Regina and I are planning now to go to my 50th high\nschool reunion. One of my very, very dear friends who we stayed close to all\nover the years, she and I were big buddies in high school. So we will see them\nwhen we go out there this time.\n\nBRICKMAN: You stayed in San Mateo in California, how many years? And then what?\n\nOBERDORFER: We were there seven years, a total of seven years. I graduated from\nhigh school in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1949 and went away to school [college]. I wanted to go to . . . I\nfelt I had been an only child long enough. I needed an opportunity to get out\nand see the world and do some things. By that time, the whole country had\nsettled down somewhat after the war. And lots of men were coming back from the\nwar, obviously. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I was 18 and I wanted to have an opportunity to go away. My\nmother had always wanted to go to Stephens College in Columbia, Missouri. She\nhad lived in Missouri. That was her fondest hope. Of course, I had to live that\nout for her.\n\nBRICKMAN: So you were on your way to college.\n\nOBERDORFER: I got on the train in San Francisco and went. They had a Stephens\ntrain, which was an interesting phenomenon in itself, where the girls from\nSouthern ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"California and the girls from Northern California each got on separate\ntrains and met in Bakersfield [California]. The two trains were connected. This\nwas a train that was arranged for by the school. They came from all over the\ncountry. They did it from Florida and they did it from Maine, and, you know, the\nwhole central part of the country. These trains all had cars that had Stephens\ngirls on them. As they came together at different connecting points, they just\nconnected these cars all together. So that by the time ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we got to Columbia,\nMissouri, it was called the Stephens Special.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's great PR [public relations]. I've never heard of that before.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, it was fabulous. So I got to meet lots and lots of people on\nthe train, all girls who were the same age I was. We were all freshmen. By the\ntime I got to Columbia, Missouri, three days later, you know, I knew half of\nTexas and half of California, and you know lots of girls from Oklahoma and all\nthese other states we went ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through.\n\nBRICKMAN: Did you go with anyone from California who happened to have been a\nfriend of yours?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. There was one girl in my class at the high school who did go to\nStephens with me. We stayed close together quite a while. Well, we were only at\nStephens two years. As soon as we graduated, she married and I lost track of her\nafter that because, you know, my life became pretty hectic at that point too.\nBut I was there for two years and met a lot of wonderful ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people, and still have\nfriends from Stephens. It was interesting, though, that I gravitated toward the\nsouthern girls because I had a background of living in the South, and I loved\nit. So when I graduated, my parents were so proud of me because I was first\n[unintelligible: 23.49] . . .\n\nBRICKMAN: You graduated from Stephens. Had you chosen a major?\n\nOBERDORFER: Only because I was good at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"English and language arts, it just sort\nof, I sort of fell into it. It was not something that I consciously thought\nabout, but I had much better skills in that area. I did some creative writing\nand I just decided, well, I'll be an English major. Everybody was in English\nmajor in those days.\n\nBRICKMAN: Teacher or Home Ec [economics] major.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. They said to me, \"You know, you may never write the great\nAmerican novel, but you can teach.\" So, you know, it never bothered me\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"particularly what my major was going to be or any of that. But I do remember\nthat on the day I stepped on the train, and this was really prophetic, my father\nsaid to me, \"Don't put your foot on the first step of that train if you don't\nexpect to finish college because,\" he said, \"it's a great sacrifice for all of\nus,\" meaning mother and me, \"to do what we're doing for you. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To send you do\ncollege. And, you know, we don't expect any praise but we want you to understand\nthat you have responsibility to finish college.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Saralyn, when you left Stephens, what was the next step?\n\nOBERDORFER: The next step was that I came home to California, and I went to work\nin my daddy's plant in the summertime. I always worked in his office answering\nthe telephone, which was such a glamorous job. They had an old ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PBX board, you\nknow, with those long poke things you used to pull out and connect. It was fun.\nIt was like playing with, an early kind of playing with a computer, you know,\nbefore we ever got to that point. Anyway, my mother wanted me to go to school at\nhome. She had missed me for two years, and she wanted me to go to school at home\nin California. I had been accepted at Stanford [University] right out of high\nschool. Actually ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was taking tests, all during my high school senior year, I was\ntaking admissions tests and never knew it. And finally just before I graduated,\nI had a letter from Stanford welcoming me as a freshman if I choose to take\nthat. I decided, of course, not to, but to go away from home. Then when I came\nhome from graduating at Stephens, they were so proud. Mother and daddy were so\nproud of me for having finished two years that they said, \"Now you can go to\nschool anywhere you want to, but we'd really like ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you to go to Stanford.\" And I\nsaid, \"Well you know, I really don't think I want to stay in California.\" They\nwere shocked. They couldn't believe that I wouldn't stay in California. I said,\n\"No, you know, I'm afraid I'll meet somebody and marry and stay here, and I\nreally don't think I want to live in California.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: How did they take that?\n\nOBERDORFER: Well --\n\nBRICKMAN: As an only child.\n\nOBERDORFER: The first night I said it over dinner, they didn't like it. By ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the\nnext morning my father said, \"You know what, I think she's got a good point.\" He\nwas always my buddy. He said, \"You now, I think we'll just rethink this whole\nthing. Where do you want to go to school?\" I said, \"Well, I really want to go\nback to the South.\" By then, of course, it was the end of May and it was kind of\nlate to try to get into a college for the following year, even as a junior. They\nsaid, well finally ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he convinced mother that I should go ahead and try. If I\ncouldn't, then I could always go to school in California. I could go to, not a\njunior college, but I could probably get in somewhere, even San Francisco City\nCollege if I chose to do that. Anyway, I began frantically trying to fill out\napplications and get into various colleges. I got return letters. Really the\nnicest one I got was from the University of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"North Carolina where they said that\nthey really didn't have room for me. They had such an enormous entering class,\nclass of 1951, and that they would be glad to put me on a waiting list, but that\nif it made any serious difference to me that they really recommended that I try\nsomewhere else, which was a nice way of saying, \"We can't handle you.\" It was an\ninteresting story because the summer I graduated was the summer ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of heavy, heavy\nfloods in the Midwest. My trunk had gotten waylaid in the process of all these\nMidwestern floods. The railroads had moved their cars, their freight cars. Every\ntime a flood came, they moved the freight cars to higher ground, so I never got\nmy trunk. And this was along about the middle of July, and I kept calling back\nto school for them to trace my trunk from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stephens. And they were trying, but\nthey weren't having much success because even the railroads didn't know where\nhalf of the thinks were until they could get the floods cleared out and get all\ntheir stuff together again. Anyhow, I called school - Stephens one day. I had\nbeen president of a small dorm. We only had 57 girls in our dorm. I happened to\nget the house mother, and she said to me, \"Well, what are your plans for this\nfall?\" I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, \"Honestly, I'm still waiting to hear from several colleges.\" I\nhad applied to Vanderbilt [University], Duke [University], [University of] North\nCarolina, and [University of] Alabama. She said to me, \"Well, I know you were a\nlate applicant, but,\" she said, \"What kind of responses have you gotten?\" I\nsaid, \"I got sort of a negative response from North Carolina. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's really\nwhere I'd like to go.\" Because there were 17 girls from Stephens all going to\nUniversity of North Carolina, and they were all my friends and I wanted to go,\nreally wanted to go where they were going because they were intellectually\nstimulating. They were people I really enjoyed being with, and they obviously\nenjoyed being with me. They encouraged me and did everything they could to help\nme get in because they were all getting in. And Carolina only accepted women\nwhen they were juniors. They wouldn't take you as a freshman or a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sophomore\nunless you were in nursing or a pharmaceutical student. I had missed out on\nthat, obviously, by not having been there as a freshman. But my housemother said\nto me, \"Well, what reason did they give you?\" I said, \"They told me that they\njust were overbooked. They had more students than they could handle.\" She said,\n\"Well, okay.\" That's the way she said it. Then she said, \"Let me get on this.\nGive me your, you know, your freight number and all that stuff.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So she did,\ntook it all down. Three days later I got a letter from the University of North Carolina.\n\nBRICKMAN: She had done something? Oh my gosh. It's by chance that you spoke to\nher, that she answered the phone. Woah!\n\nOBERDORFER: Right, right. But she had, well, I found out later what she had\ndone. But the letter came from the University of North Carolina accepting me.\n\nBRICKMAN: Great.\n\nOBERDORFER: In those days, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they had two girls in a room. But because of the\ncrowding, they had three girls in a room and we had a closet out in the hallway.\nOne of those big corrugated things.\n\nBRICKMAN: You didn't have a trunk anyway so --\n\nOBERDORFER: I didn't have any clothes anyway. It didn't make any different. But\nthen in the very next mail, I get my class cards and my welcome and everything\nfrom the University of Alabama, and my roommate assignment. Then I was stuck. My\nfather said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Maybe you ought to go on and go to Alabama. That's all worked\nout.\" I said, \"No, no, I don't think so. I think I want to go to this other.\"\nWell, in those days it was a big deal to make a long distance call, too, if you\nrecall. So I called the University of North Carolina and spoke to the Admissions\nman who later became a good friend. But at the time, I had to call because I\ndidn't, you know, I was down to the wire. I had to get train reservations. I had\nto get all kinds of things ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"organized to go back to school. So they told me not\nto worry, that they would have registration when I got there. They did not do\npre-class assignments and I was fine. I told them who I wanted to room with, if\nit was possible. I knew it was going to be a tough squeeze, but it turned out\nthat I did get to room with one of my very closest friends from Stephens. She\nand I have continued to be friends for a long ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time. So that was great. But what\nhad happened was that my housemother, who was very, very fond of me, had called\nthe President of Stephens, who also was very fond of me but had no idea I was in\nthis bind. His name was Homer Rainey, who had been president of the University\nof Texas. He had great contacts all over the United States, and he obviously\npicked up the phone and called and told Dean Armstrong that if he didn't take\nme, he was missing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a bet. Well --\n\nBRICKMAN: Good line.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, it was a great line. Then I felt so obligated to perform. Then\nI really did. You know, I performed pretty well. But as it turned out, I decided\nto come . . . I had good friends in Birmingham [Alabama], Bertan Epstein and his\nbrother, Morton [Epstein], and Alice Epstein. They had been family friends for\nyears and years ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because their father had been on the sales crew with my father\nwhen they were working at National Linen. So anyway, Morton was thrilled to\ndeath that I was going to come to Birmingham because I was there for Jubilee.\nNow Jubilee was a great social affair. The only one I ever attended in the South\nthat was, I mean, it was evidently a fairly long standing, and it was in the\nsame routine as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ballyhoo, but it was big time because it was just before school\nstarted for the college kids. It was over Labor Day weekend.\n\nBRICKMAN: Was it always in Birmingham?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. Jubilee was always in Birmingham. Anyway, I took a train from\nSan Francisco, the Santa Fe Special, and I had a little roomette on the train. I\nwas very careful to eat only two meals a day so that I could save my money. I\ngot to Birmingham. They met ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me, and they wined me and dined me. I had dates for\nall of the parties and dances. It was really like sort of a coming out part for\nme because --\n\nBRICKMAN: A debutante.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right, because I had never had an opportunity to meet so many Jewish\npeople in my life. I mean, I had always lived in a very secular world where I\nwas who I was, but I just fit in with everybody. I never was known for my\nreligion or, you know, where I came from or anything. Oh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yes, I was known as\nthe girl from California.\n\nBRICKMAN: Was Jubilee, did that bring people to Birmingham from other\nsurrounding cities as well?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. Oh, yes.\n\nBRICKMAN: Like a big convention?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. Oh, yes. Actually, it was . . . I have no idea how many kids\nwere there, but all the parents sponsored the parties and such. Then they all\nhad kids in their homes, too, so that it was like a big house party for a whole,\nyou know, for three days. They would have tea dances and they'd have barbecues\nand luncheons, dances and pre-dances and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after-dances.\n\nBRICKMAN: And who found your escorts for those?\n\nOBERDORFER: Morton. Morton Epstein. He was my sponsor.\n\nBRICKMAN: He arranged it?\n\nOBERDORFER: He arranged everything. Except the late dances. He didn't do that.\nHe left me a little leeway to make some plans. But, yes, there were people there\nfrom Louisiana. I mean, it was all over the Southeast. Now, people didn't come\nfrom California, so I was a real -- oh, I was really an anomaly because I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came\nfrom so far away. But I was on my way to school, so it just seemed like a great\nopportunity to meet people. I didn't though, interestingly enough, meet anybody\nfrom North Carolina or from the University. But I met a lot of the Atlanta\n[Georgia] crowd who were there, because they always went to Birmingham for this\nbig thing. I didn't meet Gene [Oberdorfer] there. He heard that I was there, but\nhe never met me.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's interesting. You had already established a name for yourself.\n\nOBERDORFER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Evidently, right. They knew, everybody knew. You know, all this\ncrowd knew that there was, and actually I had dates with, I don't think I had\nany dates with anybody from Atlanta. But I had dates with guys from Birmingham\nand here and there. Anyway, it was great fun. It really was great fun. I had\nnever been so treated in all my life, you know. I thought I had died and gone to\nheaven. Anyway, I went there. Then I got on the train and went to North\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolina. Enrolled and got settled in and had a wonderful two years there.\n\nBRICKMAN: Were you involved in the university on campus?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes.\n\nBRICKMAN: Tell me a little bit about that.\n\nOBERDORFER: I don't really know how I got involved. You know, they had sort of\nspotted me, I guess. But I was there only about four months, I guess. I met,\nfirst of all, I met Gene. I met him in October. I must have gotten there, oh I\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was there probably about six weeks when I met him. It was interesting because\nthere was a football game, a football weekend. Don Mendel had come over to the,\nhe was a senior, I think. Yes. He came over to the dorm with a couple of guys,\nand they wanted to meet the Jewish girls in the dorm. There weren't very many of\nus. I have to tell you there couldn't have been more than a dozen Jewish girls\nin that class.\n\nBRICKMAN: Then.\n\nOBERDORFER: Then. Some of them, they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew because they lived on the East Coast.\nBut, you know, I was, again I was a little different because they had never seen\nor heard of me until all of a sudden I arrived on the campus. So Don came over\none afternoon and brought some guys from the ZBT [Zeta Beta Tau Fraternity]\nhouse. We sat around and talked a while. Don said to me, \"Would you like to go\nto the football game this weekend?\" I said, \"Yes. It would be fun. I'd like\nthat.\" He said, \"I'll arrange for you to have a date and somebody will call\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you.\" I said, \"Fine.\" He said, \"Just don't make any plans now because there will\nbe dinner at the house, you know, for all that go to the football game.\" What\ndid I know? I had never been to --\n\nBRICKMAN: California girl.\n\nOBERDORFER: I had never been to a college football -- well, I had. I had been to\nthe University of Missouri football games. But this was different. So, anyway, a\ncouple of hours later I got a phone call from one of the guys at the house and\ninvited me to go to this football game. I went with him. It turned out Gene's\nparents were in town that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"weekend.\n\nBRICKMAN: Was Gene the one who called?\n\nOBERDORFER: No, he was not the one who called. He had a date for that weekend.\nBut his parents were there. So I met him and I met his date and I met his\nparents. That was fine. He was very nice. I had a great weekend. I guess it was\nmaybe the next weekend [that] he called me and wanted me to go out with him.\nAbout the end of the week, my parents called and said they were on their way to\nAtlanta from California. They were driving. They were going to come and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"see\nChapel Hill [North Carolina] because they had not seen where I was in school and\nthey were a little uneasy about what was going on here.\n\nBRICKMAN: Were they headed to Atlanta --\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes.\n\nBRICKMAN: Just to visit?\n\nOBERDORFER: No, they were headed -- yes I think just to visit. My father was\ncoming in to tell the folks that he was ready to leave. He didn't want to stay\nin California. But that was the purpose of his trip. They drove cross country\nbecause in those days, my mother didn't like to fly.\n\nBRICKMAN: I can understand.\n\nOBERDORFER: My dad didn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"care that much for it. They liked to drive. They had a\nnice car and they drive. So, anyway, I had to call Gene. I said to him, \"I'm\nsorry but my folks are coming in. If that's a problem for you, you know, you\nshould make some other plans.\" He said, \"Oh, no, that's fine.\" So I said, \"They\nwould like you to have dinner with us at the Carolina Inn.\" That really, that\ngot his attention. He liked the idea of having a good meal away from the\nfraternity house. So he said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Fine.\" That was in early October. I dated off and\non. I dated other people, too. But I dated him pretty steadily for the rest of\nthat year. Then the senior year I dated him exclusively. Then, of course, we\nwere married after we graduated. To get back to the University situation, Gene\nwas very involved in University activities. I don't know whether he had a hand\nin it or what, but I was called into the Dean of Women's office ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for an\ninterview. I thought I had done something wrong. I was trying to keep a low\nprofile. But they evidently knew a little bit about me. So they called me in and\nasked me if I was interested in being chairman of Women's Orientation for the\nfollowing year.\n\nBRICKMAN: Nice honor.\n\nOBERDORFER: A nice honor. I had done nothing to earn it, that I could tell.\n\nBRICKMAN: Well, good grades probably.\n\nOBERDORFER: Maybe. I had some experience from Stephens College which probably\nfollowed me. I had never thought about that, because in those days we never\nthought ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about that. We always just did what we did, and that was it. But anyway,\nthey offered me this opportunity. I said, well, you know, \"I'll have to do a lot\nof research, and I'll have to know a lot about what's going on.\" I started\npicking brains right away. I noticed that the two women, Dean of Women and her\nassistant, sat there and kind of winked at each other. I thought, \"Uh-huh,\nthere's something going on here.\" But anyway, I handled women's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"orientation.\n\nBRICKMAN: Wasn't it exciting? Chairmanship --\n\nOBERDORFER: It was. It was fascinating. I had a lot of help which was good, a\nlot of staff help. But basically I had to organize it. That was a pretty big job\nfor somebody who had had no experience in that sort of thing. But obviously I\ndid a pretty good job because that spring that I did that job, I was working on\nit. That was it.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's your junior year?\n\nOBERDORFER: That was my junior ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"year. That spring . . . see, they must have\ncalled me in about November, maybe. I'd only been at school a short time. It was\neither November or January. I guess maybe January they called me in and gave me\nthis job. By May, I was tapped by the [Order of the Grail-] Valkyries, which was\nthe Women's Honorary.\n\nBRICKMAN: You must have done a good job.\n\nOBERDORFER: I must have. That's right. That was my junior year. Okay, that's\nright. So I was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"captain my junior year in May. And within six weeks, I was\nelected President of Valkyries. There were only about four of us that were\ntapped, so it was a very small class that went over into the senior year. I\nguess maybe there were 15 girls that voted. Anyway, I became President of\nValkyries which is the highest women's honorary at that university. All this\nhappened to me, you know, just kind of out of the blue. I didn't even realize\nthat I had earned it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it made me, it put me in very close touch with Gene\nwho was, he was the Delegada of the Grail which was the men's highest honorary.\nSo together we did some planning of some things to do on campus. It gave us a\npretty good clout on the campus because we both had ideas about things we\nthought ought to be done and changes that ought to be made. And, you know, we\nbegan working together.\n\nBRICKMAN: Did you realize at that point that maybe you were going to be ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"working\ntogether permanently?\n\nOBERDORFER: No, I didn't really at that point. We just realized that, you know,\nhe had a lot of ideas and I seemed to be able to put them together and make them\nwork. It was kind of interesting. It dawned on me all of a sudden that, you\nknow, here we are.\n\nBRICKMAN: He's a nice guy.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, right. Maybe we could make something out of this you know. So,\nanyway, my parents in the meantime had left California and moved to Chattanooga.\nMy daddy went in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business against National Linen there.\n\nBRICKMAN: A competitor?\n\nOBERDORFER: He opened up his own, yes, his own linen supply business.\nInterestingly enough, with Sonny Deitch, Milton Deitch's father. They were\npartners in this business. They bought a house there. So when school was out, I\nwent home to Chattanooga.\n\nBRICKMAN: A little background on the move to Chattanooga and why and what, if\nyou can.\n\nOBERDORFER: Sure. I was very young. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't know a lot of the details about it,\nbut my dad played for the Chattanooga Lookouts. He played baseball for them in\n1932 and again in 1934, which was his last year in baseball. He actually\nmanaged, I think, the year of 1934. He was a big buddy of Joe Engel who was the\nman who put together the whole stadium bit and who owned the ball club. He was a\nbig force in the Chattanooga ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"community. Daddy had lots and lots of fans in\nChattanooga. They all remembered him and he knew that they would. He did a\nlittle state work and understood that that was a good place to go. So they\ndecided that they would move to Chattanooga, and that meant that they would be\nnot too far from me in Chapel Hill. So they moved to Chattanooga, and daddy\nopened up his business. He knew National Linen's business so well that he also\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew that was a good place for him to go. He did very well. He and Sonny Deitch\ndid very well.\n\nBRICKMAN: How did he connect with Sonny Deitch? Was he also --\n\nOBERDORFER: Sonny was a baseball fan, big baseball fan of daddy's. Also dad had\na friend there, Fred Graf, who he played with. Fred Graf was a --\n\nBRICKMAN: This is Side 2 of the interview with Saralyn Oberdorfer. We are continuing.\n\nOBERDORFER: All right. Well, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"old ballplayers love to get together and tell\nstories. They stay close because they all have, they have group memories that\nkeep them together and keep them as a community. So my daddy had a very close\nfriend, Fred Graf, who was a great second baseman. My dad would love to get\ntogether with him and tell stories. Fred was there in Chattanooga. They were\nwonderful friends, and they got together a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lot with mother and daddy. So they\nhad friends there, and that made it even more pleasant for them to move to\nChattanooga. I never made too many friends in Chattanooga except that I knew\nHerb Cohen who was at Carolina with me. So that sort of opened up a whole area.\nI met some young people through that. But I actually went to college that\nsummer. I went to University of Chattanooga because I needed some courses in\norder to graduate. I had a double major. I was an English major with a minor ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in\n-- not a double major but a minor in education. I had to have some courses in\neducation to graduate. I couldn't take practice teaching. I could never leave\nthe campus long enough to do that, so I just didn't have practice teaching. But\nI did graduate finally with a minor in education and major in English. Then I\ntaught school. I was able to teach school because teachers were in scare supply\nat that time.\n\nBRICKMAN: When you graduated, I heard you mention before that you and Gene got\nmarried. Was it right ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after graduation?\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, that's another story. Gene had been in the Naval ROTC program.\nDuring the Korean War, they, he was deferred obviously because of his grades and\nbecause he was in Naval ROTC. But then the Naval ROTC disenrolled him. They said\nthey didn't want him because he had a history of eczema, allergic ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"eczema. The\nuniforms that they wore were wool, and he scratched all the way through whatever\nperiod it was that he was in Naval ROTC, so they disenrolled him. Therefore when\nhe graduated, he was, you know, he was fodder for the selective service. He had\ngotten his notice about two weeks before he graduated that he was up for grabs.\nSo we were interested in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"getting married, but we both figured that we couldn't\nbecause he was going to go into the service, and we couldn't afford to get\nmarried. I would have had to have a job, and we didn't know where he was going\nto be. There were just too many variables that we didn't know what to do with.\nSo we decided that we would just, you know, wait and see what happened with this\nbusiness of his going into service. So, we graduated, and two weeks later he\nwent ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to -- they used to go out to Lawson General Hospital is where they had the\ninduction. He went out there for a physical. They looked at his papers and, as\nhe said, looked in one ear. If they didn't see anything, they figured he was\nokay on the other side. So he called me just before he went, and he said, \"I'll\ncall you as soon as I know what happens.\" So about late that afternoon he called\nme back and he said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Well, I'm not deferred. You know, they've said that they\nwant me to come back tomorrow because they saw on my history that I had been\ndisenrolled from Naval ROTC and the reason was because of allergic eczema. So\nthis doctor that I saw,\" he said, \"was from Wake Forest [University],\" which is\nanother ACC [Atlantic Coast Conference] school. He [the doctor] was an\nallergist, and he [the doctor] said, \"You know,\" he said, \"I'd like to see\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paperwork on what the problem is with the allergy before I say yea or nay.\" So\nGene spent the next five hours getting together all the materials that his\nmother had on his allergic eczema, which he'd had since he was seven or eight\nyears old when he had had to go to New York and go through all kinds of tests\nand this and that. He had never really gotten over it. He was still scratching,\nyou know, his elbows and his arms. So he took all his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paperwork the next day,\nand he went back. This guy [the doctor] said to him, \"You know what,\" he said,\n\"We really don't need you.\" He said, \"The war is about to wind down.\" He said --\n\nBRICKMAN: And you're scratching.\n\nOBERDORFER: \"And you're scratching, and we don't really want to take on any\nliabilities that we don't need.\" He said, \"You know what, I like North\nCarolina.\" He said, \"Even if I went to Wake Forest, I still like University.\"\nAnyway, the guy was talking about it and the guy said, \"I'm just going to mark\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here that you're a 4-F.\" He [Gene] couldn't stand it. He called me from Lawson\nGeneral Hospital and he said, \"You know what? I think we ought to go ahead and\nget married.\" So we got engaged. The 4th of July we were engaged. He immediately\ncame down with mononucleosis.\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh. What year was that?\n\nOBERDORFER: 1953.\n\nBRICKMAN: 1953.\n\nOBERDORFER: We graduated in May. He went through all this turmoil and he was so\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"upset that he came down with mononucleosis. So I had a wonderful engagement. Six\nweeks engagement during which time I had to find an apartment. I had to find a\njob. I had to get ready for a wedding. I had a lot of things to do, but we did\nit in six weeks.\n\nBRICKMAN: Why did you hurry it? I mean, six weeks --\n\nOBERDORFER: I was going to teach school and I had to be --\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh!\n\nOBERDORFER: I had to be ready to go to work in September. As soon as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school\nstarted, I had to be available. The other problem was that I didn't have a job,\nand I was certified to teach in high school. That was my background. The City of\nAtlanta Schools offered me a job at [Henry W.] Grady [High School] as an English teacher.\n\nBRICKMAN: In 1953?\n\nOBERDORFER: In 1953.\n\nBRICKMAN: I had just left there.\n\nOBERDORFER: Oh, had you?\n\nBRICKMAN: Good school.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. They said, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, \"You'll be teaching all grades.\" Gene said\nto me, \"I don't think you can handle high school kids. I think you ought to\nprobably go into an elementary school.\" It so happened that his next-door\nneighbor was the principal at an elementary school, and she desperately needed a\nthird grade teacher. She interviewed me and she said, \"How do you feel about the\nthird grade?\" I said, \"That's about the best grade I ever had.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Good memory.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. I have wonderful memories. She said, \"It's a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very heavy duty\ngrade, you know. You have to teach writing and multiplication tables and\nbeginning of social studies and geography.\" I said, \"Oh, I like all that. I can\nhandle that.\" Everything but the math. No, I could handle the math. That was\nabout the last year I could handle the math, but I could handle the math.\n\nBRICKMAN: How about today?\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. So I went ahead and taught.\n\nBRICKMAN: What school was that?\n\nOBERDORFER: It was Laura Haygood Elementary School. It's still ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there, but I\ndon't think they use it as a school anymore.\n\nBRICKMAN: Where was it?\n\nOBERDORFER: It was on Marietta Street. It was over by the Humane Society, in the\nwhite provision area. This was just before integration of schools came about. So\nthe group that was there in that particular school were low economic level white\nfamilies. I taught ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one year, most of which I was pregnant with Mike. I guess I\ngot pregnant -- we started school in September, and by December I was pregnant.\n\nBRICKMAN: And throwing up.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. The only way I made it through the year was that I was right\nacross the hall from the Teacher's Lounge, and that saved me. Except that I took\nall ten days of my sick leave because I just never could get going in the\nmorning. By afternoon, I was wonderful. But mornings --\n\nBRICKMAN: School was over.\n\nOBERDORFER: That's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right, school was out. But the mornings I was just in awful\nshape. Anyway, I did teach one year in the Atlanta school system. Then Mike was\nborn and we were off and running. We lived in a little apartment over on West --\n\nBRICKMAN: Worthington?\n\nOBERDORFER: Wessington Drive right off --\n\nBRICKMAN: Off of Highland.\n\nOBERDORFER: Highland, yes. We were there until, I guess probably August, about\nthe beginning of August. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we moved over to what I thought was fabulous, the\napartments over on -- oh, everybody lived there.\n\nBRICKMAN: Markan?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, right.\n\nBRICKMAN: Markan Drive. They were very popular.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. I've forgotten what they were called.\n\nBRICKMAN: It's Rock Springs Apartments.\n\nOBERDORFER: Rock Springs, that's right. We were in the Rock Springs Apartment.\nThat's where we lived when Mike was born. We were there, I guess maybe a year,\nand then we moved to Amsterdam. We were in a duplex ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on Amsterdam. We were there\nfor probably a year. Then they sold the duplex, and we had to move. We finally\nat that point bought a little house.\n\nBRICKMAN: Do you remember where?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, uh-huh. You know, it was on what -- they changed the name to\nBramble Drive. Yes, Bramble Drive I think. Before that it was called Tuttle\nDrive, or Tuggle, T-U-G-G-L-E, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tuggle.\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh, that's by the dairy.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, that's right. That's where the dairy had been, right off -- no,\nit was off Buford Highway. It was going north on Buford Highway. Just before you\ngot to Northeast Plaza, we were off to the left. There was one street that ended\nin a cul de sac and we bought a little home over there. We were there for about\nthree years, and it was while we were there that Gene contracted polio. He was\nin the -- you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, we had a very serious bout. To me, it was serious. As it\nturns out, in the scheme of things it was almost nothing. But at the time, I\nthought he was going to die. He was so --\n\nBRICKMAN: How did he come upon -- I mean, what --\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, I have to backtrack a little bit. He has an uncle who had\npolio and had a very serious case of polio, and Gene's mother was more familiar\nwith it than I was. But Gene had what we thought was a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"terrible virus, and\nbecame so weak he could hardly get out of bed, I called the doctor and told the\ndoctor I thought he needed to be in the hospital. The doctor said, \"Well, if\nyou're nervous about him, I'll put him in the hospital. But I don't have any\nreason to do it otherwise.\" I said, \"Don't put him in the hospital because I'm\nnervous. Put him in the hospital because he's sick. He needs to be in the\nhospital.\" So he put him in the hospital, and then he left town. I got in touch\nwith a doctor ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who was a specialist in infectious diseases. He came and took one\nlook at Gene and he said, \"I have to move him.\" We went first to Georgia\nBaptist. He said, \"I have to move him because I think he has polio, and if he\ndoes, there is only one place in town where they will take patients who have\ninfectious diseases. We have to put him in isolation, and we have to go to Grady\n[Hospital].\" In those days, Grady was not what Grady is today.\n\nBRICKMAN: But was any of this going on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the community? That was the one case?\n\nOBERDORFER: Not that we knew of. Not that we knew of, right. Not that we knew\nof. This was in -- let's see, Mike was two, so it was in 1956, July of 1956.\nThey put him in isolation, what they called an isolation ward. It was an old\nbuilding, an old brick building. It had no screens on the windows, and when we\ncame in, they handed us a fly swatter. That was how you managed to keep the\nflies out of the room was with a fly ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"swatter. He was there, and that was where\nhe stayed for about a week in supposedly isolation. I would go in and out. But\nthey had just begun to come up with the Salk vaccine. They gave it to -- I think\nthey gave it to me. They gave it to Mike for sure. When Gene got out of the\nhospital and they had settled on the fact that he had had polio, he had had\nlumbar polio but he had been very, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very slightly impaired. He had some\ndifficulty swallowing and things of that nature. But they thought he had really\ngotten by with very little, very little impact. At that point, we didn't know\nany better. But his brother had had polio just, you know, a year before. He had\ngotten it over in Pakistan. He had been released from the army in Korea. He was\nin the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Korean War, and he was released from the army. He had decide with another\nguy that they were going to work their way home, so they got mustered out in\nKorea and came east, or west, came through India. He took sick in Karachi\n[Pakistan]. They put him in a hospital, a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital. If it\nhadn't been for the fact that the woman who was in charge of the hospital had\nlost her husband just months before from polio, nobody would have known what --\n\nBRICKMAN: Couldn't have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"diagnosed it.\n\nOBERDORFER: That's right.\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh, gosh.\n\nOBERDORFER: So he had the polio. Gene had the polio. The uncle had the polio.\nThey began to think there was something in the system, in genetics of the\nsituation. We never figured that out, but the fact was that Gene came off of it,\nyou know, the easiest of any of them. But nevertheless, he did have the polio.\nThey said to him, you know, \"You could be sterile as a result of this.\" We had\nthe one ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"child at that point. When he began to feel better, I said to him, \"Let's\ntest the theory. Let's see.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: That's the right thing to do.\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, I figured we'd have to eventually.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's true.\n\nOBERDORFER: So we did, and I got pregnant with Julie. So we figured, well, that\ndidn't hold. We were okay on that.\n\nBRICKMAN: They messed up.\n\nOBERDORFER: So Julie was born there in that same house. We lived there until I\ngot pregnant with Robin. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was born in 1959, so I would have gotten pregnant\nwith her along about 1958, somewhere in 1958, right. Anyway, then we moved. We\nmoved out here.\n\nBRICKMAN: That totaled up the Oberdorfer clan. Three children.\n\nOBERDORFER: Three children. That was the end.\n\nBRICKMAN: A boy and two girls.\n\nOBERDORFER: A boy and two girls, right. Now, my oldest child, Mike, it took us a\nwhile to figure it out, but Mike is developmentally ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"disabled and has been. You\nknow that. We've been through that on several different levels. He had a very\ncheckered career in school and finally we sent him to school out of state\nbecause there was nothing in Georgia we could find that would help him. He went\nto school up in Pennsylvania near Philadelphia. He was there five years.\n\nBRICKMAN: How did he adjust to that?\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, he was 12 when he went. It was, you know, it was a hard time\nfor him ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and for me, and for all of us really. But he adjusted very well. I mean,\nhe's a very resilient kid and he adjusted very well. But we think that was\nreally the turning point in his life, because he had had such defeats here in\nschool and had very few friends, except for people who had problems like he did.\nMany of them were awful at school, too, so his whole community sort of, you\nknow, evaporated ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right in front of his eyes.\n\nBRICKMAN: He must have learned some independence there too.\n\nOBERDORFER: Oh, yes. He did, a lot. Probably it's what stood him in such good\nstand when he came back, because he wanted very much to live on his own. We\ntried it several different ways. After my mother passed away, we let him move\ninto her house. I think I knew he couldn't make it there, but he was so sure he\ncould that we had to give him a chance to figure it out for himself. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"realized\nthat it wasn't going to work that way. But eventually, we were able to put\ntogether a program with the help of people in Fulton County and he went into an\nindependent, or semi-independent living program. He had graduated though that.\nHe's been in two programs now, and he is currently not in a program but living\nwith his long-time roommate. They stay in an apartment over on Roswell Road.\n\nBRICKMAN: And he's working?\n\nOBERDORFER: He's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"working. He worked in our office as a mail clerk and did a lot\nof work with the computer, actually, with the printouts and so forth of the\ncomputer. Our daughter Robin really sort of managed him, and she had him doing\nbeautifully. But we realized that we weren't going to keep the business forever,\nand Gene wanted to get him settled at something else before he sold the business\nand he was, you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ushered out. So through friends, we were able to get him\ninto the World of Coca-Cola Museum. That's where he works part-time. He is a\ncustomer relations person there.\n\nBRICKMAN: A people person.\n\nOBERDORFER: A people person. Oh, yes, which is what he is. He loves that. He\nreally does enjoy his work.\n\nBRICKMAN: He can get around and do everything on his own?\n\nOBERDORFER: He rides MARTA. He knows all the bus routes. He knows where to go\nand how to get there. He has become quite a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sports buff. About a year ago, we\nbought him a computer. He is now using the computer to check on all the scores\nof all the games, which he keeps track of very carefully. He calls that his research.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's great, that's great. And the relationship between the two girls\nand Mike . . .\n\nOBERDORFER: Is good, although he is not as sensitive to them as they are to him.\nAgain, his independence. He wants to do things on his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own, and he does. I mean,\nnobody supervises him. He pretty much does his own thing.\n\nBRICKMAN: But connects back here.\n\nOBERDORFER: Periodically, when he has a problem, we hear from him.\n\nBRICKMAN: Well, that's not unusual in any situation, and I commend him for the\nprogress he's made. With your strength and your background and your guidance, he\nis on his own.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, pretty much.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's very good.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, he's been the job. We're very proud of him.\n\nBRICKMAN: Interesting gentleman, I know. Where are your daughters?\n\nOBERDORFER: Both our daughters are here.\n\nBRICKMAN: You're lucky.\n\nOBERDORFER: Our oldest daughter ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married -- well, actually our situation or my\nfeeling was that if you leave them alone and let them do their thing that they\nwill come back. Julie graduated in film from Stephens College, and she\nimmediately decided she wanted to go to California, of course, and try her\nskills. And she did. She went to California. She lived in Santa Monica\n[California]. She had a little apartment out ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there, which she supported herself.\nI mean, we didn't send her any supplements. We gave her money to start out, of\ncourse. She got a job as really a gofer more than anything else. Gradually she\ngot involved on the CBS lot, which is where they used to rent out space in these\nbig film stages on the sets. They would rent them out to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"independent producers.\nSo independent producers would come in and they'd say, \"Gee, I need somebody to\ndo payroll. I need somebody to do this. I need somebody to do that.\" Julie was\nkind of a floater. She could do a little bit of everything, so she went to work\nas a, sort of putting her finger in the dike wherever they needed her on these\nindependent productions.\n\nBRICKMAN: Great experience.\n\nOBERDORFER: It was. It was terrific. Eventually she became a production\ncoordinator for feature films. She was out there for about three and a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"half\nyears. She finally decided, on her own, that I [Julie] can live anywhere. Now\npeople know who I am and know what I can do, I'm just going to come back to\nAtlanta. Well, actually, she came back to Atlanta with a film she did here with\nKenny Rogers. It was a baseball film.\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh, this kind of fits together.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right, right. It was sort of something she knew about. She came back\nto Atlanta, and she did that film here. Then she just decided she'd go back to\nCalifornia, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"close up the apartment, and move here. So that's what she did.\nEventually she got a little apartment over on Eighth Street and was working\ncrazy hours. Because when you do films, you work, you know, you work from six\nA.M. in the morning until two and three o'clock in the morning, I mean, doing\nwhat you have to do. She would do that for six months, and then she would\ncollapse, and she'd be sick. We'd ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bring her over here and try to help her get\nback on her feet. And then, you know, she'd take about four months off and then\nshe'd go and go into another film. I think that got old after a while. She had\nno social life. So her landlord said to her, \"You know, I know this guy who --\nhe's from New York, but don't let that bother you. He likes the South, and he\ngraduated from Emory [University] but he's with Labor Relations Board. He's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here\nand he really wants to live in Atlanta. I think you all ought to meet.\" So he\narranged for her to meet Steve [Leibel], and they started dating. She got -- I\nthink she had a chance to go on a film, and she turned it down.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's a hint.\n\nOBERDORFER: Which said to me, hmmm, maybe something's going on here, you know.\nSo anyway, then she finally decided she'd take a nine to five job. She went to\nwork for McCann Erikson as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their broadcast producer.\n\nBRICKMAN: Ad agency.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes. She continued to date Steve, and they finally decided to get\nmarried. They were married in 1987, I guess. Yes, May of 1987. So that was the\nend of the film business.\n\nBRICKMAN: Interesting how things turn out. And that's Julie?\n\nOBERDORFER: That's Julie. Steve left NLRB. He now has his own private -- he has\nhis own law firm. He's a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sole practitioner. But he had moved from doing . . .\nwhat am I trying to say? Labor and employment law, he's changed. He has evolved\nthrough personal injury and into medical malpractice. He's in a whole area of\nhealth related --\n\nBRICKMAN: That will keep him hopping.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right, exactly. He's a plaintiff's lawyer. So he's, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, he has\na real uphill battle every time he takes a case. But he's been very successful,\nand they've made a wonderful life.\n\nBRICKMAN: Is she working now?\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, she's got three children now, and she's working at home.\n\nBRICKMAN: She's working at home.\n\nOBERDORFER: She's got a nine and a half year old, and she has twins that are seven.\n\nBRICKMAN: Woah.\n\nOBERDORFER: Just were seven this past week, a girl and a boy. So she has a boy\nand two girls. But Julie also has a business. She is selling clothing,\nchildren's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"clothing. It's a Canadian firm that sells, you know, it's a mail order.\n\nBRICKMAN: Mail order, like a catalogue?\n\nOBERDORFER: But she organizes it and sends the orders off. It's called Kids\nOnly, but they have parents clothes, too, for mothers and daughters. She has\nschool uniforms too, so she spends a lot of the fall getting organized for\npeople who want to, you know, buy uniforms from her.\n\nBRICKMAN: And your other daughter?\n\nOBERDORFER: My other daughter married in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1983. She married a boy from Missouri\nwho she met when she was at Stephens. She went two years to Stephens and then\ntransferred like I did to North Carolina. Stacy [Knottman, Robin's husband] was\npresident of the student body at the University of Missouri, and then --\n\nBRICKMAN: So Stacy transferred --\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. He stayed on for his Master's degree in Agricultural\nEconomics. Then when they married, he moved here and went to Georgia State\n[University] and got his Ph.D. in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"economics. [Stacy] worked with Don Radachek\nand set up his economic forecasting program, and was his first assistant, you\nknow, his right arm there for about five or six years. Then he went to work for\nthe Fed here in Georgia, and then went into private business. He is making the\nrounds. He has worked with two different companies now. They have three children.\n\nBRICKMAN: You have everyone at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"home. It's wonderful. Your table at holiday time\nis full.\n\nOBERDORFER: It's very full, very full. That's right.\n\nBRICKMAN: I wish you would delve a little bit into your career. After you left\ncollege, you had the children. What bug bit to get you involved into the\nvolunteer work and the professional work that you did?\n\nOBERDORFER: Okay. Well, I became very involved just like my girls are in PTA\n[Parent-Teacher Association] activities, and working in the classrooms. Although\nin those days, teachers weren't too happy to have parents in the classroom, but\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nowadays they are. But I was very active in the PTA. Gene and I were\nco-presidents of the elementary school. I helped form the North Fulton PTA\nCouncil. In the old days, there weren't very many schools in North Fulton\n[Georgia]. I think maybe we had 12 schools. They've now got close to 30 of them.\nI just did a lot of organizational type things. Then I became involved at the\nstate level with the Georgia PTA. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"served -- started out as a social chairman,\nwhich was not much of anything. But they wanted me on the board. Then I went\nfrom that to the legislative liaison at the state level. As part of that, I used\nto monitor the State Board of Education meetings. That was part of my\nresponsibility. Because it was important, PTA had some real interest in what was\nhappening and what was not happening in the school system in the state. They\nfelt that they were an integral part of decision making and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wanted people with a\nPTA background to be serving on these various boards that were making decisions\nfor the schools.\n\nBRICKMAN: I don't think people realize the impact that the PTA could have if\nthey allowed them the opportunity to step in and take some action.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. There was nothing stopping them. It was only their own\nreticence to step up to the table and said, \"This is what we want.\" So as I was\nmonitoring all this and looking at the various people who sat on the State Board\nof Education, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one from each congressional district in the state. I began to do\nmy homework and figure out what areas we had real strength as a PTA and where\nthere were some seats becoming available on the State Board of Education. I went\nto the President of the PTA and said, \"Look, you know, here's an opportunity for\nsome real impact if you want it.\" They looked it over. They began searching for\npeople who -- I gave them about a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six month window to get going on it. They came\nback to me and they said, \"Well, we've looked at this and we've asked for people\nto offer to serve in this position on the State Board of Education. But you\nknow, it's a real commitment. It's a seven-year commitment if you take this on.\nWe can't find a lot of people who are willing to give up seven years to serve on\nthis board. But we know that the most influential position on this board will be\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fifth Congressional District,\" which is Atlanta and Fulton County. \"We want\nto ask you if you would be willing to offer for that position.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: It's just seven years.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, only seven. Well, I said to myself, you know, I guess I don't\nhave to finish out the seven years. But if I commit to seven years, I probably\nwill stick with it because I'm a committer. If I say I'll do it, I'll do it. So\nanyway, gene and I talked about it. He said, \"Go for it.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it turns out that I\nhave a very good friend who was a member of the General Assembly, and still is,\nDorothy Felton. And Dorothy Felton is a staunch Republican and has been ever\nsince she's been in the General Assembly. And therefore not a particularly good\nspringboard for anybody in state government because state government, as you\nknow, is dominated by the Democrats, and has been as long as you and I have been\nalive. And probably will change, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but maybe not in our life time. Anyway, George\nBusbee had just been elected governor. Dorothy went to him and she said, \"I\ndon't know whether what I say means anything or not but,\" she said, \"I've got\nsomebody I want you to consider for the Fifth Congressional District for this\nparticular position on the State Board of Education.\" He said, \"Sure, I'll\nconsider it.\" She said, \"Well, you're going to hear from some other people,\nnotably the State ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PTA. They're going to support her too.\" He said to Dorothy,\nand later to me, \"You know, you live in a potentially heavily populated black\ndistrict. Therefore, if I am going to put you in that position, you have got to\nhave lots of black support.\" I said, \"Well, I don't know how much I've got, but\nI know this one and this one and this one.\" He said, \"How do you know them?\" I\nsaid, \"My husband's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in business with a black insurance agent, who is a\nRepublican, but who is a very staunch member of the community.\" We talked about\nthat for a while. Then he said that he had gotten letters from other people. We\nhad generated letters. Gene had lots of clients that were black. I mean, Herman\nRussell was one of his biggest clients. And, of course, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"T. M. Alexander was a\ngreat buddy of ours. We had traveled with him in Europe, with him and his wife.\nI mean, we had lots of good --\n\nBRICKMAN: You were comfortable doing this.\n\nOBERDORFER: -- vibes. Right, right. So he said to me, \"Now, I'm very impressed\nwith your background and with you.\" We had talked about some of the issues that\nhe wanted to get accomplished at that time. He was unhappy with the state\nsuperintendent of schools. I agreed ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with some of the things that he was\nconcerned about, notably education of the handicapped which was not going too\nwell at that point, either. They had just passed 94-142 at the national level.\nGeorgia was dragging its heels in trying to deal with it.\n\nBRICKMAN: You can understand that.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. I came at it from a very emotional point of view, but I also\nhad, I also had the educational background because I had taught. After the\nchildren were born, I had done some teaching.\n\nBRICKMAN: Did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you stay with third grade?\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, actually I did supply teaching. I taught in every grade. So I\nreally got a good broad picture of what things were like in every grade. And I\nknew what teachers needed to have. I knew I didn't have it, but I knew what\nteachers needed to have in their backgrounds to teach. George Busbee seemed to\nlike what I said to him. So he said to me, his parting comment to me that one\nday I had my interview was, \"If ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can find a black in another district, I will\nappoint you to the State Board of Education from the Fifth District. But if I\ncan't, then you have to understand that I'm in a position where I have to put a\nblack on this Board.\" There was no back [person] on the board. There were two\nwomen, one of whom was going off.\n\nBRICKMAN: What year was this?\n\nOBERDORFER: 1976.\n\nBRICKMAN: You were ready and willing and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"available.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right, exactly.\n\nBRICKMAN: And it happened.\n\nOBERDORFER: It happened.\n\nBRICKMAN: Was that not a challenging position?\n\nOBERDORFER: Oh, tremendous challenge. I was modeling by the way. I had a career\nin fashion and professional modeling. I had just done the Lovett Show, and I\nwent out to get in my car. I had an appointment with the Governor that morning,\nand forgot. I had had a call. That was it. They told me, \"Please come in, that\nGovernor would like to see you.\" So I said, \"Well, I can't come this morning.\nI'm doing a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fashion show.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Modeling.\n\nOBERDORFER: So when the show was over, I got in the car, turned on the radio,\nand started to town. The news came on, and the news announcer said that George\nBusbee has appointed . . . I can't think of his name right now, from Columbus,\nGeorgia, Mayor Pro Tem of the City of Columbus, who will become the first black\nmember of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"State Board of Education since reconstruction. Well, when I heard\nthat, I --\n\nBRICKMAN: You didn't wreck your car, did you?\n\nOBERDORFER: I knew I was, I figured I was going to be appointed that day, but I\nwasn't a hundred percent sure. But it sure sounded good to me. So I got to the\ncapitol, and I parked and I went in. When I walked in, George Busbee was all\nsmiles and shook my hand, and he said, \"Congratulations, you are the new member\nof the State Board of Education for the Fifth Congressional District.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Well, you had earned that position with a lot of work and a lot of\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"concern about what the needs were.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right.\n\nBRICKMAN: And so there opened up seven years of \"Hello, I'm here.\"\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. Lots of hard work.\n\nBRICKMAN: Did you love it?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, I did.\n\nBRICKMAN: What happened to the fashion career?\n\nOBERDORFER: It dwindled, because I, you know, I really was at the end of it. I\nhad had 17 years of it and --\n\nBRICKMAN: How did that happen? Where did that come from? Not Stephens?\n\nOBERDORFER: No. Well, actually yes. Because at Stephens College, they have a\nfashion department where girls came who had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"skills in designing patterns,\ncostumes, and all sorts of things. But some of the girls that designed those\nthings couldn't wear them. They couldn't show them on themselves, see. So there\nwas a girl in my dorm who was, well, she looked fine. She was gorgeous. She\nlooked wonderful in her clothes, but they didn't want her wearing everything\nbecause she had so many wonderful designs that they really wanted her ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to chair\nand let somebody else wear them. So because I lived in the dorm, after hours,\nbecause we had closing hours, you know, and you couldn't go anywhere --\n\nBRICKMAN: Curfew.\n\nOBERDORFER: I had to be in the dorm. So I'd go up to her room, and she'd pin\nstuff on me and we'd, you know, make stuff. Then I would model in the fashion\nshows. Well, the pattern companies came to school every spring for a big show,\nand the girls wanted their patterns to be bought. Butterick was a big, big\ncompany that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bought.\n\nBRICKMAN: Right.\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, Butterick was the biggest one that we got, that we sold or\nthat the school was able to make a connection with. So I would model in this\nlittle show. Well, it was a nothing show. You can imagine. But I got some\nexperience. Then in the summer, in California, I would do some informal modeling\nin the department store. So anyway, I said -- once we began to realize we had\nproblems with Mike and I realized what a huge ordeal ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this was going to be, I\nsaid, \"Gene, you know, I've really got to get something else to keep my mind\noccupied and keep me busy.\" I said, \"I think I'll go down to Rich's and see if\nthey would like to have another model.\" Oh, it was just like that. So one day I\ngot myself organized, and I dressed. I had help, fortunately. I got in the car\nand I went to Rich's. I went into the fashion department, and I, you know, just\nsaid to them, \"Look, you know, here I am. If you can use me, I'd like to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do some\nmodeling.\" So they said to me -- I had just had my third child now. I'm 28 years\nold. They said to me, \"What size dress do you wear?\" And I thought, well, I\nreally probably wear a 12, but I'm going to fudge and tell them I wear a 10. So\nI did. They tried a 10 on me and it hung like a tent. So they said, \"Honey, you\nwear a size 8.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Oh, wonderful.\n\nOBERDORFER: \"And we'd be delighted to put you on.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: Isn't that great?\n\nOBERDORFER: So before I left there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that day, they said to me, \"Now, you need a\nlittle makeup. We want you to wear a little makeup. And while you're here, we'll\nget you to do a picture for the newspaper.\" So I mean, everything I've touched --\n\nBRICKMAN: I remember seeing you many, many times.\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes.\n\nBRICKMAN: And I just thought that was so Hollywood [California].\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, it really was.\n\nBRICKMAN: It was so great. And it also gives you a different path to travel.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right.\n\nBRICKMAN: And it's exciting. As a result of your State Board involvement, what\ndid you make happen?\n\nOBERDORFER: I worked very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hard with other entities, obviously, with other groups\nin getting kindergartens established in the state of Georgia. We had an\norganization called Georgians United for Education which represented school\nboards across the state, PTAs across the state. I orchestrated a public\nrelations campaign where we put ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"monitors, videotape monitors, in the men's\nrestrooms in the General Assembly because we could not get the men to stop and\ntalk to women in the halls. We were trying to do lobbying, and they wouldn't\ntalk to us in the halls. So I suggested that we go where they were, and we put\nthese monitors in the men's restrooms. And they ran continuously. They had\nvignettes about children and how much better children learned by having been in\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kindergartens and in public kindergartens because --\n\nBRICKMAN: Clever marketing idea.\n\nOBERDORFER: It was very spotty across the state, because people had children in\nprivate kindergartens. But those who didn't go to private kindergartens were\nlagging way behind when it came to first grade. So we sold it based on the fact\nthat we hammered it pretty hard. That was an interesting time during Lester\nMaddox's period. Then I worked very hard ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on revamping textbooks. Textbooks were\nnotoriously sexist, not to mention anti-Semitic, not to mention all kinds of,\nyou know, anti this, anti that. The State Board of Education had an arrangement\nwhere each person on the State Board appointed somebody as a screen, to serve on\nthe screening committee. I was able, through my person that I appointed to that\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"screening committee, to make sure that we began to eliminate sexist attitudes\nabout policemen and firemen and doctors and lawyers all being men.\n\nBRICKMAN: It's a real accomplishment.\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, I felt that it was at the time. How much that has, you know,\nremained, I don't know. But the textbook people were not real happy with me\nbecause I made them reprint a lot of things that I felt were objectionable. I\ndidn't personally do it, but I --\n\nBRICKMAN: Made it happen.\n\nOBERDORFER: -- made it happen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through the process. I then was asked to serve on\nthe television committee for the State Board of Education. The State Board of\nEducation in Georgia held nine licenses, actually eight licenses in the State of\nGeorgia for public broadcasting stations. The television was part of the State\nDepartment of Education. The man who was in charge of that came to me one day\nand he said, \"You ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, I know you've worked on the other side of the camera a\nlot, and you understand television.\" He said, \"I really would like it if you\nwould become part of this committee. I can arrange for you to be appointed to\nthat committee.\" But he said, \"I need you very badly because we're at a crucial\npoint in public television where we really need people who have some vision.\" I\nwas flattered that he thought so. So I said, \"Well, fine.\" Well, I went on his\ncommittee. As ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it turned out, public television in those days in Georgia was\npractically nil. I mean, we had some television programs for the home\nconsumption, but most of it was for school consumption. What they really want to\nget into, the people in Georgia really wanted to get into a broad range of\npublic broadcasting like you see today. And they were not allowed to raise funds.\n\nBRICKMAN: What year was this?\n\nOBERDORFER: This was 1977.\n\nBRICKMAN: Okay.\n\nOBERDORFER: They were really -- well, actually, probably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"toward the end of 1976.\nPublic broadcasting in Washington, which is where the headquarters was, and you\nknow public broadcasting is funded through the . . . okay. They were funded from\nthe federal government but through a group called CPB, the Corporation for\nPublic Broadcasting. The money comes through them, and they allocate it. But the\nPBS Board of Directors was a very small ingrown group of men who were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"station\nmanagers, in most cases, of the various stations around the country. They had\nbeen receiving pressure that they needed to open up the governments there, and\nthat they needed to add women and minorities to their group. So after I had been\non this committee a while, Dick Ottinger came to me -- he was the director of\nthe station. He said to me, \"We really need to add some women.\" He said, \"And I\nwould love to recommend you for the PBS ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"board.\" I said, \"Well, what does it\ninvolve?\" He said, \"It's a three year commitment, and you would be representing\nGeorgia and all our concerns on this PBS board. But you'd be making national decisions.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: You were doing this at the same time as the seven --\n\nOBERDORFER: I was on the State Board of Education.\n\nBRICKMAN: Okay.\n\nOBERDORFER: This was added on to my responsibility. So I said, \"Fine, Dick, if\nyou think it will work.\" And he said, \"Well, they're not too fond of southern\nwomen, but,\" he said, \"we'll see.\" So sure enough, I was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"elected to the board.\nThere were about 30 people on the board, PBS board in those days. My initial\nconcerns were for educational programming for children, but educational\nprogramming in the home. Sesame Street had just barely gotten off the ground. I\nwas concerned that people would gravitate to that just for the primary viewers\nand then we'd lose the audience after that. I was concerned that we begin to\nbuild on that and build more ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"programs with the middle years so that we would\ncontinue to have a pipeline of viewers over time. So I became very involved in\ntheir educational or youth programming and educational programming, and became\nvice chairman of that committee. During that period of time, we brought on some\nscience programs and we brought on Reading Rainbows and some of the things that\nwere so important for children, for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5490.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school age children. Whereas Sesame Street\nhad been [for] preschoolers. That was fascinating, and I loved every minute of that.\n\nBRICKMAN: Well, look what progress you had made. See, that was a real\naccomplishment. And today when you think back to the nothingness of then, we\nhave come, as we say in the South, a fair piece.\n\nOBERDORFER: You bet. Light years.\n\nBRICKMAN: So good.\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, the next step was basically to get the Georgia\nTelecommunications Commission put together. The legislature did not want to\nestablish any more ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5520.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"independent organizations, authorities or anything else. But\nI went to George Busbee and I leaned on him. I said to him, \"You know, we're\ngoing to be outstripped by every other state in the South if we don't get\ncracking here. We need to build our own Telecommunications Commission which can\ndo its own programming, which can do fund raising from the public, which can do\neverything that every other public broadcasting station in the country does.\nSouth Carolina is a perfect model for us. It's not far for us to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go. We need to\nbegin to look at what's happening in South Carolina.\"\n\nBRICKMAN: They were already established?\n\nOBERDORFER: They were already well established, thanks to Senator Hollings. So\nwe got -- I got his ear, obviously. And other people were working on him, too.\nBut I was, you know, because of being on the State Board and because it meant\ngiving up turf, you know. See, most people don't want to give up turf. But as a\nboard member, I realized that the State Department of Education and the State\nBoard of Education could not manage this tail that was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wagging the dog. And they\nneeded to move out of that area and turn it over to people who really knew television.\n\nBRICKMAN: Knew how, right.\n\nOBERDORFER: Knew how to make it work. So the governor appointed A. D. Frazier to\nbecome the chairman of a task force. He put me on the task force, and there were\nabout ten of us. They had legislature . . .\n\nBRICKMAN: . . . oral history of Saralyn Oberdorfer. We are going to continue\nwith Saralyn's involvement in the community.\n\nOBERDORFER: As a result of A. D. Frazier's involvement in this task ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"force and\nthe studies that we did, we were able to establish through the General Assembly\nin 19--, I guess it was maybe 1980, the Telecommunications Commission. Don't\nhold me to the date; I'm not certain on that.\n\nBRICKMAN: I will check it out.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. We were able to establish a Telecommunications Commission,\nand I became the first vice chairman of it. And toward the end of my term on the\nBoard of Education, I became ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5640.0,5670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"chairman of the State Telecommunications Commission\nand served in that capacity for about, maybe six, eight months. Interestingly\nenough, during that time, the Telecommunications Commission made its first\neffort to establish radio stations throughout the state with National Public\nRadio. We filed our first radio . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5670.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRICKMAN: License?\n\nOBERDORFER: Licenses, thank you. First radio licenses that we could get\nthroughout the state. The University of Georgia [UGA] held the license for\npublic television, Channel 8, in the City of Atlanta. The Atlanta School Board\nheld a license for 7 PBA, which is the radio station in Atlanta. Therefore we\ndid not have any contact with those two stations. However, we did have the other\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5700.0,5730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stations. Eventually, as a result of bringing together this Telecommunications\nCommission, the station in Athens became part of the State Telecommunications\nCommission. Now Public Television in Georgia manages nine stations in the state,\nvirtually covering the entire state with the public television signal. It was\nduring those early years in television when PBS got involved in the satellite\nbusiness. They were the first ones to put satellites in the air in order to do\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5730.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"programming and to transfer programming across the country. That was a\nfascinating time to meet with engineers and understand the whole process of\nsatellite transmission.\n\nBRICKMAN: So someone who majored in English and in education is now in telecommunications.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right, exactly.\n\nBRICKMAN: Amazing what experience will do.\n\nOBERDORFER: Exactly. And it's all associated with language arts which is what is\nso interesting. So that's basically been the background that I have. Since that\ntime, Gene and I have sponsored ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pilot films that Public Broadcasting has done\nhere in Georgia. One of the things we're proudest of is a program that's on\nevery Friday night at nine o'clock. It's called the Georgia Report, has to do\nwith, you know, with the Business Report. It deals with Georgia businesses and\nthe environment in Georgia and why companies have come to Georgia to do\nbusiness, and what the prospects are for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5790.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"growth, all that sort of thing.\n\nBRICKMAN: Is your involvement, I mean, I know the positions of leadership have\nmoved on, but what's your present involvement in this?\n\nOBERDORFER: Actually at the moment I am not involved in anything, which makes me\nfeel wonderful. I go through periods when I really do need a respite because I\ndo burn out very quickly sometimes, especially when you're dealing with\npolitics, and what ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5820.0,5850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is not political anymore?\n\nBRICKMAN: Not much.\n\nOBERDORFER: Gene and I worked very hard over the years, as you know probably,\nwith this semi-independent living program. We practically single-handedly kept\nit alive during a period when there was very little interest. Eventually we were\nable to interest Jewish Family and Children Services in the project. That\ncontinues to go on, and we're very proud of that. We have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5850.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"eased back from that\nand let somebody else run it. They know what they're doing better than we do.\n\nBRICKMAN: It is offering an opportunity for young people to stand and live on\ntheir own.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right.\n\nBRICKMAN: Which is so important.\n\nOBERDORFER: And teach them the skills they need to do that. We did the same\nthing, you know, with many projects that we've done. Actually, I shouldn't say\nI'm doing nothing. Gene and I have been very involved in establishing a Kuralt,\na Charles Kuralt Memorial Project at the University of North ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5880.0,5910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolina, again in\nlanguage arts. Charles Kuralt's widow gave to the University over 300 boxes of\nhis memorabilia and things that he had -- newspaper clippings, radio tapes --\n\nBRICKMAN: Did he graduate from [University of North] Carolina?\n\nOBERDORFER: Yes, in 1955. He was two years behind us, but his life was just full\nof wonderful stories and wonderful ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5910.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people. And when he died, much too young, we\nfelt the University really ought to memorialize him because he memorialized the\nUniversity in many, many ways. So we just have come back from opening up the\narchive that the library has done. We put some money into that project as well\nas heading it up to make others participate. And the learning center, which will\nbe coming online ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5940.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hopefully in the fall at the University of North Carolina in\nthe Department of Journalism and Mass Communications, will have his office,\nwhich will be completely replicated that they've moved from New York. They're\ngoing to replicate that office in the school, and they're going to establish a\nlearning center where students and adults and anybody can come in and can get\ninto his archives.\n\nBRICKMAN: Research.\n\nOBERDORFER: And do research, but where they can also see his tapes, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=5970.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and hear his\nvoice, and hear his tapes of all the things that he did, \"On the Road\" series,\nyou know, where he traveled, and his Sunday morning programs, and all those\nthings. All of that is being done in cooperation with CBS.\n\nBRICKMAN: I knew that you couldn't be completely quiet.\n\nOBERDORFER: No, no, no.\n\nBRICKMAN: You have to be involved in something.\n\nOBERDORFER: Right. That's what we're involved in. Then I served just recently\nfour years on the Atlanta Fulton Public Library Board. I served there as\nchairman ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=6000.0,6030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for about eight or nine months. That's something I'm glad to be out of\nbecause that was a no win situation there. It's becoming so political and so\nracially fraught that there is very little that is going to be accomplished with\nthe current government. That's a situation that needs to be totally changed, and\nthat's something that I'm sure I will be called upon to deal with at some point.\n\nBRICKMAN: You wonder ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are children really reading like they were and with all the\nmodern things. It's a loss.\n\nOBERDORFER: Well, people say they're not reading, but the fact of the matter is\nthey can't interact with the Internet if they can't read.\n\nBRICKMAN: That's true.\n\nOBERDORFER: So there is reading going on, but it's not Dick and Jane anymore.\nIt's much more involved. I think it's made us come to the realization that\nchildren don't learn, all learn to read the same way. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/40290/file/111953/transcript/24996/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have got to establish\nbetter lines of communication for people who don't learn to read the same way\nother do. What's interesting to me is that while I was at Chapel Hill this past\nweekend, we were talking with the former president of the University. On Friday,\nhe was talking about how the numbers, the illiteracy numbers have gone up so\nhigh. 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