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Clay, stands in Marietta Square in Cobb County.  His grandfather, Lucius D. Clay (1898-1978), born in Marietta, was a Military Governor of Germany.  He helped engineer the Berlin Airlift of 1948-49 and assisted with Jewish displaced persons.    \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eIn 1978, Charles Clay moved to Marietta, Georgia, where he learned of his great-uncle, Eugene Herbert Clay (1881-1923), and his involvement with the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915.  He had served as mayor of Marietta, Georgia, from 1911 to 1912 and acted as the state’s chief prosecuting officer. \u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eCharles Clay reflects on his ironic connection to the community in Marietta, Georgia.  He talks about returning to Marietta in 1978, where he learned by happenstance of his great uncle, Eugene Herbert Clay, and his involvement with the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915.  Charles talks about his great uncle, Lucius Clay, who assisted Jewish displaced persons as Military Governor of Berlin after World War II.  Charles reflects on his own career in law and his thoughts on the Leo Frank case. \u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/27994"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Charles Clay (personal name)","Leo Frank (personal name)","Eugene Herbert Clay (personal name)","Lucius Clay (personal name)","Marietta (Ga.)  (geographic term)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCharles Clay interviewed by Sandra Berman on November 6, 2007 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eSenator Charles Clay served in the Georgia State Senate for six terms from 1988 until his retirement in 2004.  Charles was not born in Georgia, but his family roots are in Cobb County.  As a child, Charles’ family moved frequently because his father was a career military office in the United States Army.  A statue of his great grandfather, Senator A.S. Clay, stands in Marietta Square in Cobb County.  His grandfather, Lucius D. Clay (1898-1978), born in Marietta, was a Military Governor of Germany.  He helped engineer the Berlin Airlift of 1948-49 and assisted with Jewish displaced persons.    \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eIn 1978, Charles Clay moved to Marietta, Georgia, where he learned of his great-uncle, Eugene Herbert Clay (1881-1923), and his involvement with the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915.  He had served as mayor of Marietta, Georgia, from 1911 to 1912 and acted as the state’s chief prosecuting officer. \u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eCharles Clay reflects on his ironic connection to the community in Marietta, Georgia.  He talks about returning to Marietta in 1978, where he learned by happenstance of his great uncle, Eugene Herbert Clay, and his involvement with the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915.  Charles talks about his great uncle, Lucius Clay, who assisted Jewish displaced persons as Military Governor of Berlin after World War II.  Charles reflects on his own career in law and his thoughts on the Leo Frank case. \u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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My name is Sandra Berman. I am here with Senator Chuck Clay, who has graciously agreed to be interviewed for the Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\n\nCLAY: You got that out.\n\nBERMAN: I hate saying all that.\n\nCLAY: Great job.\n\nBERMAN: Mr. Clay, I realize in our conversation that you are far removed from\nwhat happened to Leo Frank. The case. The lynching. But how did you first hear\nabout the case and about the involvement of your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"great uncle, Eugene Herbert Clay?\n\nCLAY: I'll be honest. I think my first awareness of ever hearing anything about\nthis case . . . first of all, my dad was a military guy, so I did not grow up in\nMarietta, Georgia. We moved around. I, literally, which I find was maybe an\nintro to me, what I find interesting is sort of winding back up in that home\nplace more by happenstance, totally by happenstance, not by any plan on my part. If it was in Georgia ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"history books, or Georgia discussions, I didn't grow up\nhere. [I] didn't hear any of it. Never heard the case in law school. That may be\ngood or bad. Maybe there wasn't legal precedent that would make it law school\nmaterial. It was when I returned to Marietta at the lowest rung as a prosecutor\nin Cobb County, which means traffic court, in 1978, the Marietta Daily Journal\nand Bill Kinney were writing a story about the Leo Frank case. Bill, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"early on\nbecame an acquaintance. I guess, if you are in that business you like to have\nfriends. We all like to have friends in the media. But he has been a dear\nfriend. I just started asking him about that amongst other things. He was kind\nof the local historian. I don't remember what prompted it. Ironically, about the\nsame time, my granddad died in 1978, so there was a series of articles, a little\nbit about Lucius Clay. I vaguely remember, there were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"articles about Leo Frank,\nnot connected, but they happened to be threads of some history and locally, so I\nstarted a friendship. Bill Kinney never told me anything, to his credit. Whether\nhe's one of those sworn to silence. He would kill me if I said he was that old.\nHe has, maybe in the last few years, been more openly public about involvement. He introduced me, and this is along the way of getting me to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"answer your question. He introduced me to the young man who was interested in writing a book, named Steve Oney. I met Steve at Bill Kinney's office one day. He and I, if not certainly friends, struck up some conversations back and forth as he began his investigation on that in prelude to writing his book. At that point in\ntime, Herbert Clay's son was still living, Eugene Herbert Clay, Jr. [He] was a\nvery distinguished . . . I say ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"distinguished. He was one of Tom Dewey's\nanti-corruption, Columbia Law School, and the variety of different posts. [He]\nwas still living down in Sarasota, Florida. I think I may have made inquiry to\nHerbert, \"Don't be alarmed or would he be offended if this individual called\nhim.\" He said he would not. I really stepped back. I think Mr. Oney has\nindicated that I think either Herbert came to Marietta. If he did, he didn't call me. That ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doesn't mean we weren't good friends, but it was not my place. It was not my business. There was some level, I think, of very emotional discourse on something that maybe had been in Herbert's heart for many, many years.\nCertainly he was a small, small boy. [He] would have probably been too young.\nI'm not even sure he was born, exactly, when this happened. I think, for whatever reason, these things occur. He certainly felt that his father had been\ndirectly involved. That is probably the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first that it sort of came to me through\nthat sort of circuitous route, that there was some indication that he had been\ndirectly involved, if not specifically, how.\n\nBERMAN: Your grandfather, who was the younger brother, never discussed this with you at all?\n\nCLAY: No. My grandfather . . . one, you have to remember families back then were long and extended. Herbert was almost 20 years older than my granddad. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At least, I never knew him. I had a sense that there was not a terrible closeness, as there may have been between other members of the family. They all died young. That was a very Faulkneresque family. Herbert died young. Alexander died young. Frank died young. His sister [Evelyn] was always a little bit different. I'll say that. Ryburn, who became a very prominent banker, had his own set of issues. Very brilliant, but very meteoric ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in many respects. I think he, sort of,\ncompartmentalized that part of his life and then went off to West Point and\nnever came back. And he did not come back or stay in touch with his mother or\nthat type of thing. His involvement, directly, with Marietta ended when he got\nout of Marietta High School in 19 whatever. It would have been 1913, 1914, 1915. Something like that. Back then, folks didn't fly to and from for vacations,\ncertainly not from West Point. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"World War I began, and everybody went off to war. In his later years, and my granddad lived until I graduated from law school, it never came up. But it also never came up until late in life that I even knew he\nwas from Georgia. I was wondering. We had a place up in Cape Cod, and he kept trying to grow peach trees. I always wondered, why is this guy growing peaches up in Massachusetts? They don't grow them there. They grow in Georgia. I remember him at the dinner table peeling peaches and saying, \"That's a pretty good ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Massachusetts peach for a Georgia boy.\" I thought, \"Georgia boy?\" Then, I guess, all this sort of fit together. He was great on current events. Loved history. Had been in a lot of places. Would sit there and talk to you but was never a reminiscer on anything. Now, this one may be intentionally so, but he certainly was not a cold, brusque guy. Would talk. Was a wonderful granddad but was never a reminiscer. Didn't talk about his childhood.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or his siblings.\n\nCLAY: Or his siblings. I think there was a lot of pain for a variety of reasons.\nThat could have been part of it. No sibling hates their sibling. I think it\nangered him to a degree that they had so much talent and some of it was\nsquandered. But that was never articulated. That was never, specifics given.\nIt's not a child's place to ask, but I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sensed that there was a sense of, \"Why did you do this? Why did you let us all down? You had so much. You could have\nbeen so much, and you let it get away.\"\n\nBERMAN: Do you think Herbert's involvement influenced the family's dynamics and choice of careers?\n\nCLAY: He was a lawyer. A very distinguished lawyer. One of a first prosecutors\nof the Blue Ridge [Circuit], then a Solicitor General of the Blue Ridge Circuit.\nWhen this happened, he was the youngest president of the Georgia Senate. He was, sort of, being groomed to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be the inheritor, I guess, the next generation for\nSenator Clay. He let life and alcohol, bluntly, and a variety of other things\nside track it until at the end, sadly, it was more a caricature than a real person. I think those things played a huge impact, emotionally, in my granddad, who was one of the most disciplined. He was not a teetotaler, but he never had more. 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The other thing my dad, who was also a career military officer, ever said he wanted to be, \"If I couldn't have been an officer in the United States Army, I would have been a lawyer in Marietta.\" There was that sense of tremendous, even a connection, to a community that drew ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me back, ironically, to the same place, more specifically to this case. Again, it was always unspoken. What I found personally fascinating is in one family you had Herbert, who was involved in this, and then Lucius Clay, who was the military governor in the U.S. zone in Germany. First and most direct political governmental responsibility was the DPs. The displaced persons. The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Holocaust survivors, in many cases, hundreds of thousands of Jewish citizens from all over Europe suffered under the most horrific of circumstances. I don't know that that is justice, God's hand, a touch of how small the world really is. I'm not saying that he did everything perfectly or right or all the bad people were punished and things were roses and honey. They weren't. 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Survivors will tell you, the most important thing that I ever remember is when a GI or an American ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gave me a pair of shoes [or] gave me a chocolate bar. Those are the things that reminded me that I'm still human. You would like to think, and I don't want to be Pollyannaish, because nobody's ever said that, but it's certainly something I like to look at when you get a little down, saying, \"Okay. You know, the world is a pretty small place.\" Your endeavors one day, you're never quite sure if they circle back around. Having been around politics for a while, I've ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"found that to be pretty fast.\n\nBERMAN: You brought with you today a box.\n\nCLAY: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: I'd like you to maybe hold it up and talk about it a little bit.\n\nCLAY: Sure. This was actually a silver box that was hidden by a Jewish family, I\ndon't know, who probably perished in the Holocaust. You can see, for purposes of the camera, it looks like about a 17th century village scene. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had told you before, and I did not bring\nthat. The Russians gave my granddad, as the conquerors of Berlin, several items from the Chancellery and a couple items from Berchtesgaden [Germany]. That one is so vibrant. To me, it is such a contrast of horrors of a philosophy dedicated to the total extermination of these people. In the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"greatest, just the greatest horrific tragedy, this box represents in so many ways: You didn't kill us. You didn't do it. We're here and you are dead.\n\nBERMAN: It's truly remarkable two brothers, twenty years apart, two different...\n\nCLAY: It's a small world.\n\nBERMAN: Yes. Is the Frank case discussed in Cobb County today in Marietta?\n\nCLAY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is sort of two worlds in Cobb County. If you looked at Cobb County\nat large, 650,000, cosmopolitan area, the majority of whom are people who came from areas outside of Georgia, I doubt that you would find one in a hundred that would have any idea or clue what you were talking about. Maybe that's good. Maybe that's bad. History changes fairly fast. 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[He] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a fine personal friend\nand a former governor. That's the Marietta Bar. Amongst that closer knit, more\nhistorical community . . . again because I didn't grow up [there], you would\ncertainly had a greater awareness, probably in many respects, a universal\nawareness of this case. Now, is it talked about? There was very little discussion. It sort of peaked again amongst that group when Steve was writing his book ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because there was that sense of, \"What are the names? Who are the names?\" That has sort of been done. Folks can argue whether that's 100 percent accurate or not. Who, there, or whatever. It's more looked at if it's discussed now as a factual issue than a \"who done it\" type of issue. To me, the more important aspect is, there is still something universal ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and emblematic about the\ncase at a variety of levels. I don't like to be those who live in the past for\nthe sake of the past, but there are certain circumstances or certain events that\ndo have a universality to them. There is something to be remembered. One of the reasons, if you look at the Georgia flag, we're under the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Constitution. The word \"Constitution\" is on the gate from the University of Georgia. We're supposed to be a nation of laws and not individuals. It's very easy, if a community's finest can rationalize their behavior as being morally right because \"we are the upstanding leaders of the community.\" That doesn't make it so. Even if you disagree. Even if sometimes justice is not done, the law ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is there for a very\nprofound purpose. This case is emblematic of how that can go awry for what at a time and place was considered the very best and honorable of reasons. It doesn't make it so.\n\nBERMAN: That sort of leads me to the next question, which you partially\nanswered. Why do you think this case still resonates? 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I think at one level, it tells us: be very careful when we start categorizing people ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and forming judgments based upon ethnicity, whether that be Jewish or African or Irish. If I met you outside of this building, I would have no more clue if you were Jewish. If you had told me you were Norwegian, I would have believed you just as much. I would have said fine. You would probably said the same about me. The fact that because I later found out you were Jewish, that then changed or tilted my perception of you, you need to be very careful. 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I think in a larger ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sense it is important, and as a former history major and anthropology major, I am always fascinated in human events, in what pushes and pulls and what creates. There are certain things that you hold on to because they say and repeat universal messages. I do think this case does [that]. Whether you agree or disagree with who did it or who did not, there are certain things that are unalterable, and I think they are universal.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Getting back to Herbert again. Based on his untimely death, I mean he died rather young. Do you think, and this is just your own opinion since it\nwasn't discussed, that the lynching had an effect on the rest of his life? That\nit affected him in a . . . ?\n\nCLAY: I've had it said after the fact by people who wouldn't know, but [I'm] not\nsaying it couldn't be true either, felt ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in some in some respects, yes. I've had\nsome say that at a certain point of time played into that sense of, \"What have I\ndone?\" I had one person many, many years ago, say that his guilt over that,\nlater in its political career, I don't think this is really true. But it is one of the stories, that he was, in fact, murdered. But later in his political career, [he] had taken on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KKK, as a sense of either guilt or possible reparation for his involvement earlier and was beaten up because of that, trying to take on some of the more strident aspects of the Ku Klux Klan. I don't know. I've never had that confirmed. I've never read that anywhere. Those are the few things I have heard over the years. 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I'm sure it has come up occasionally in passing with, Roy Barnes, Otis\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brumby, folks that . . . not in any detail. Whether it be a casual conversation\nor something comes up again. \"Well, I guess the families going to the whatever\nmovie or this or that. Maybe we're going to get another six phone calls from The\nNew York Times about whether I'm still wearing overalls or not down here.\" That\ntype of comment but not in any great detail. 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While everybody, including myself, when I got back here never ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"heard that so-and-so was involved, whoever, or whatever. Or that Herbert Clay was this. I never heard a thing. Whether that's accidental by design. I suspect, for even a lot of the folks in Marietta, who may wink and indicate they know something about it, they don't have a clue. Everybody wants to be on the inside, but their grandparents or great grandparents didn't talk about it.\n\nBERMAN: It is amazing. I think that is what sometimes is forgotten . . .\n\nCLAY: And it died with them.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By historians or just popular writers that this happened only 50 years\nafter the end of the Civil War.\n\nCLAY: It was tough times.\n\nBERMAN: It was still a very sectional kind of conflict between, I mean, the kind\nof South resented what the Northern newspapers . . .\n\nCLAY: They were hardscrabble. One step away from starvation, with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everybody's brother, uncle, or dad having been wounded, fought, or otherwise killed in the conflict. I hate . . . to them, forget whether or not this individual was\nJewish, black, brown, or green. Death and destruction was an everyday matter for these folks. That doesn't make it right. [I'm] not saying anything to be\nexcusable. One of the worst things a historian can do is impose their sense of\ntoday on yesterday, because if you do that, then you are losing all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"impact of\nhistory, and hopefully, hopefully, an evolution for the better.\n\nBERMAN: How did you react to the publication of Steve Oney's book and also some of your contemporaries?\n\nCLAY: I don't know anybody that wasn't . . . I don't know whether it began back\nthere, but certainly, publicity tours started in Marietta. He must have felt that there was some value in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doing that. You have to separate out the good will and some of the . . . I'm smiling. Obviously the event we're talking about is tragic. Steve is a great guy. He's fun to be around. To come back to Kiwanis Club with a Tom Watson Brown and half the other folks, many of whom all probably thought their families were involved that weren't. 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I think at this time, my dear friend and\nlong-time the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"court room opponent Van Pearlberg, who's now a city councilman in Marietta, has made a different sort of aspect and view and speaks at a variety\nof civic clubs, men's clubs, churches, and places about the case. People are\ninterested. [He] does a good job. That's probably a good thing. I don't know\nanybody, there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"may be . . . I've picked up an occasional grumbling, \"I got to get another New York Times reporter calling me and asking about . . . talk about\nthe rural south.\" Well, we are really not all that rural. I mean, you can look a long way in Cobb County without finding a farm. Most people say the truth is the truth. One of the better things of today . . . there is something noble about being able to shut up. But there's also something noble, hopefully, about being able to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"learn and being open. I used to always say, I prosecuted for years, there is a reason there's no statute of limitations on murder because it doesn't really matter when it's resolved. If you can resolve it, it still brings closure somewhere. Somehow. In the respect that there was a murderer, whether one would believe that this man was guilty of the murder of Mary Phagan or not, he was\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lynched and hung and murdered by people, none of who were ever identified and brought to any sort of justice, assuming justice at the time and place could\nhave even been imposed. There was even no attempt. There is no statute of\nlimitations on murder and whether it is some monstrous guard who is living under guise comfortably in Dearborn, Michigan, after murdering people in a\nconcentration camp in Poland 50 or 60 years ago, or whether it's somebody in\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/transcript/19298/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marietta Georgia, who lynched and hung somebody illegally. Or any of the other\nunsolved, horrific killings, murders, and maimings, from missing children to\nunidentified folks on a railroad track late at night. You don't close the book on murders until they are solved because somewhere, somehow there's an open\nwound. There is a lesson to be learned, and there's a book to be closed.\n\nBERMAN: With that, I thank you. This was wonderful. I appreciate it so much.\n\nCLAY: My pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=1710.0,1740.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/index/47240","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Charles Clay [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/index/47240/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Personal knowledge of Leo Frank ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000#t=15.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/30033/file/98000/index/47240/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Clay, I realize in our conversation that you are far removed from what happened to Leo Frank. 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