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In her late teens Frances left Germany, first for England, then for the United States. Her brother had left before her, settling in Elberton, Georgia. After each of the children had struck out on their own, Bunzl’s mother, father, and maternal grandmother also immigrated to the United States.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn the states the women of the family all continued to have impressive service careers, and Frances married Walter Bunzl, an Austrian immigrant. The two had two children together, Richard and Susan (or Susie). The Bunzl’s also started a travel agency, Bunzl Tours, where the couple worked together. At the time of this interview, Frances is about to retire.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eFrances Bunzl covers a lot of territory in this interview, spanning some of her childhood in Germany, her experience of immigration to America, her and her mother’s volunteer work, and her travels, both back to Europe and to Israel. Bunzl also discusses raising her children, the immigrant population of Georgia, feminism, and how her experience of Nazi Germany has and hasn’t impacted her life.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/28794"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Bunzl, Frances (personal name)","Bunzl, Walter (personal name)","National Council of Jewish Women (corporate name)","American Jewish Committee (corporate name)","Atlanta, Georgia (geographic term)","Elberton, Georgia (geographic term)","Holocaust (named event)","Germany (geographic term)","Medicine, Nursing (topical)","Travel (topical)","Immigration (other)","Israel (geographic term)","Jordan (geographic term)","Palestine (geographic term)","Women's liberation (other)","Feminism (seconde wave) (topical)","Voluntarism (topical)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eFrances Bunzl interviewed by Ray Ann Kremer on October 28, 1985 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eFrances Bunzl was born on March 22, 1920, and grew up in Germany with her parents and younger brother. Her family was well-to-do, and her parents, Ann Kahn and Arthur Abraham Hamburger, were very active in the Jewish community, especially her mother. In her late teens Frances left Germany, first for England, then for the United States. Her brother had left before her, settling in Elberton, Georgia. After each of the children had struck out on their own, Bunzl\u0026rsquo;s mother, father, and maternal grandmother also immigrated to the United States.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn the states the women of the family all continued to have impressive service careers, and Frances married Walter Bunzl, an Austrian immigrant. The two had two children together, Richard and Susan (or Susie). The Bunzl\u0026rsquo;s also started a travel agency, Bunzl Tours, where the couple worked together. At the time of this interview, Frances is about to retire.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eFrances Bunzl covers a lot of territory in this interview, spanning some of her childhood in Germany, her experience of immigration to America, her and her mother\u0026rsquo;s volunteer work, and her travels, both back to Europe and to Israel. Bunzl also discusses raising her children, the immigrant population of Georgia, feminism, and how her experience of Nazi Germany has and hasn\u0026rsquo;t impacted her life.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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Today I am interviewing Frances Bunzl, Mrs. Walter, at\n5735 Wieuca. Mrs. Bunzl, do you mind if I call ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you Frances?\n\nBUNZL: No.\n\nKREMER: Because by the time we're through with this we'll get to know each other\nvery well. Or at least I'll get to know you, hopefully. Could you tell me a\nlittle bit about your background, where you were born, and what your life was\nlike in the early years?\n\nBUNZL: I was born in Wiesbaden, Germany, which was a very small Jewish\ncommunity. Even so, it had two synagogues, an Orthodox and a Reform, only the\nreform wasn't quite as reformed as here. My parents ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were active in the\ncommunity, even my grandmother. My mother, and I have to come back to her, she\nwas in the second class of certified, female social workers in Germany. She\ngraduated in 1918, got married in 1919, and never worked except as a volunteer,\nand my grandmother also did volunteer work. My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandmother was a widow of 21\nyears or 22 years, never remarried, had two children to raise. My parents were\nwell to do.\n\nKREMER: Now, did your grandmother work, do volunteer work, or did she have to work?\n\nBUNZL: No, no. Volunteer work. She did want to go to work still. When she was 85\nyears old she visited old folks, she said. For B'nai B'rith, she did that, here\n[in Atlanta].\n\nKREMER: What did your grandfather do for a living?\n\nBUNZL: He was a wine merchant. 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My father's parents were in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"linen and furniture business. They\nowned stores. But my father used to push the baby carriage of my mother. They\nknew each other all their lives. My father was eleven years older. My mother did\na lot of being a social worker, she did the volunteer, Jewish social work\n[Indistinct]. Mother was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"active in the equivalent [of] NCJW [National Council of\nJewish Women], when it was called [Indistinct: a German word/name], and when we\nhad the national convention here there was a woman from South Africa here, and\nsuddenly those two women embraced each other! They knew each other from 1924\nwhen they had a United Jewish Women's conference in Berlin [Germany]. I was\nbrought up, actually, in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Indistinct: includes the word Jewish], as children\nwe had to help out in the daycare center. It was just expected of us. Mother\nfounded a daycare center in our town. We had a lot of white Russian\n[Indistinct], who partly were well to do, partly not, where the parents had to\nwork, and they didn't speak German. They ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had a qualified teacher in the daycare\ncenter who helped the children with the homework in the afternoon. It was next\nto [Indistinct: likely a foreign name] kosher kitchen.\n\nKremer: This was for Jewish children?\n\nBUNZL: It was only for Jewish children, and in fact, with the kitchen and the\ndaycare center, and the kitchen was for the elderly, you know, it was all one\nthing. I know my father bought the building and gave it to the Jewish community.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That kitchen worked until 1940, until they were deported and stuff. The kitchen\nwas continuous. The daycare was closed, but the kitchen went on. It was all\nvolunteer work.\n\nKREMER: In other words, Jewish people did volunteer work for Jewish people, and\nnot non-Jewish people, and vice-versa?\n\nBUNZL: Mother did mostly Jewish volunteer ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"work. [Indistinct] were affiliated\nwith the others, but when I was grown old enough to understand, there wasn't . .\n. Hitler was already there. There was only Jewish people. I mean, Mother did it\nall her life long, even here. She was [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: Now, tell me what your father did.\n\nBUNZL: My father was a furniture dealer.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: That's what his family had done before, and so . . .\n\nBUNZL: It was the family business. Mother didn't do anything else. Of course,\nthen we came here. My brother was apprenticed as a plumber, because we all had\nto quit school. I [guess I got through] the high school equivalent, but didn't\ngo far enough that I could get into the university. I had to get out. My brother\ngot out ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the same year and he couldn't even finish high school.\n\nKREMER: But you were still in Germany?\n\nBUNZL: Still in Germany. I never went to school here. My brother did. He went to\nhigh school, and college, and all that.\n\nKREMER: Your brother was younger than you?\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\nKREMER: How many years younger?\n\nBUNZL: Two years. He went to Elberton, Georgia to high school, and went to Uncle\nSam and the war, and then the G.I. bill, got two ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"degrees at the University of\nGeorgia, and now what is he doing? What he learned in Germany: being a plumber!\nBut that's what he is! He does very well in Elberton, Georgia.\n\nKREMER: I'd like to go back and hear more of what your life was, growing up, and\nhow it changed. Obviously, you were a well to do family, and how was it, at that\npoint, before Hitler?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: Mother played tennis in the morning, [then] work, social work, just like\nthe women do here! She had a cook, she never cooked, except when she wanted to,\nand they'd play cards in the evening, just like people do. But, funny enough, I\ndon't remember any non-Jewish homes. They were all Jews. [I remember] the way\nthey came together. 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As a child, I don't remember . . . of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"course, we were taken to the\nholy days.\n\nKREMER: Did you have Sunday school?\n\nBUNZL: It was part of the school curriculum, then, at the day school. [But] not Sundays.\n\nKREMER: You went to a Jewish day school?\n\nBUNZL: No! Regular day school.\n\nKREMER: Oh, regular day school.\n\nBUNZL: I mean, it was like this. It was religion, like you have history here.\nThe protestant children went to one room, the Catholics went to another room,\nand the Jewish went to another one, and then the priests came ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":". . . Only we, as\nJewish children, had to go extra in the afternoon to learn Hebrew. That was extra.\n\nKREMER: And these were the German public schools?\n\nBUNZL: They were public schools, and that continued way into high school. Even\nduring Hitler they still had those classes. 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Cultural things.\nWe were confined into the Jewish community.\n\nKREMER: That happened in 1936?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: It started in 1933.\n\nKREMER: So, at that point your life changed.\n\nBUNZL: It changed, yes. We didn't have help anymore, because we couldn't get it.\nI mean, we had help, but it wasn't like this. My aunt moved in with us, because\nwe, in that house we owned her apartment, was rented out to some Americans. Not\nbecause they needed the money. 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How long were you there?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: Three months. That's all I could take, then I got back like that. Then I\nwent back to Germany, and then I started working at the Jewish hospital,\napplying what I'd learned to be a laboratory tech.\n\nKREMER: Now what year was this? Was this at a time when you knew you should be\ngetting out of Germany?\n\nBUNZL: Oh, yes!\n\nKREMER: You didn't want to just stay in London, but you did go back.\n\nBUNZL: I went back because I had nowhere else to go. 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We lived in the hospital.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: What was your family doing all this time?\n\nBUNZL: My father, he still had the store. I think they got rid of the store in\n1938, 1937 [or] 1938.\n\nKREMER: And was he able to sell it?\n\nBUNZL: More or less . . . it was taken away. It was said it was sold, but it\nwasn't sold. It was a formality. You didn't get what it was worth. 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I can't remember, I think that happened when I was [Indistinct] I was in\nFrankfurt, in the hospital, and all that . . .\n\nKREMER: And your brother was still at home?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: Oh, yes. He was working for the plumber. He left before I did.\n\nKREMER: When did he leave, and why?\n\nBUNZL: Right after the Kristallnacht. He was taken in custody to the\n[Indistinct], my father was, too, and my father was the least worried, by the\nway. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have a very bitter taste towards\nLondon. It's not my favorite town. I didn't have money to go on the subway, I\nhad no money whatsoever. They were supposed to give me an equivalent of $1 a\nweek, $2 a week. Never gave it to me.\n\nKREMER: How did you get placed in these homes from Germany?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: There was an agency in London that looked for au pair girls. People came\nand said, \"Oh, those poor German [Indistinct] get out alive.\" That's the way it\nwas. Then I finally got my visa to go to America in December of 1940.\n\nKREMER: How did you go about getting these visas, you and your brother? You said\nyour brother already had his . . .\n\nBUNZL: He had one. 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The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Indistinct] pictures and all that belonged to my\nmother. But they had no frames, they were just rolled up. [Indistinct] this is\nfrom my house, the rest belongs to [Indistinct] [My grandmother and parents]\nwent first to Berlin [Germany], then they were in a train, which was completely\nsealed, and they went to Spain. 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Started menstruating the minute ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hit that ship. It was a\ndisturbance, and it took me that summer in New York to lose about thirty pounds!\nWhen I came I wore a size 16, never wore a size 16 since.\n\nKREMER: It was probably a great emotional upheaval, also. Physically . . .\n\nBUNZL: I don't think so. I tell you, emotionally, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm pretty strong. Even seeing\nthe Kristallnacht . . . see, I'm backtracking now . . . When I was working in\nthe Jewish hospital, in Frankfurt, we saw an awful lot at that time. See, in the\nsurrounding areas, from Frankfurt, there was a Jewish hospital [Indistinct], and\nJewish private home for the insane . . . 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was the first horror. After that my mother said, \"Out, as quick as possible.\"\n\nKREMER: Where did the doctors go?\n\nBUNZL: Dachau, Buchenwald, [I don't know].\n\nKREMER: They were taken to the concentration camps. You must have known many\npeople at that point, who were . . .\n\nBUNZL: Yes. A lot of people and they came back, a lot of people who died there .\n. .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: But what about your family?\n\nBUNZL: That's what I see people always . . . I know people here who are victims\nof the holocaust. I cannot say I'm a victim of the holocaust, nothing personally\nhappened to me! Nothing happened to my parents. I mean, uncles and aunts, but to\nthe real, immediate caucus nothing happened. Fortunately. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While with my brother it\nhappens all the time. When he was in the army he was with [Indistinct] when they\nwent to Dachau. You know, they were one of the first ones to get out, my brother\ngot to the gate and saw the first body, and fainted. They never got him in. It\naffects different people. But I, personally, don't say ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm a victim of the\nholocaust. I lived through it, but I'm not a victim. It didn't victimize me. It\ndidn't leave a lasting effect, I don't think so. You know what I'm saying.\n\nKREMER: Have you been back to Germany since? How do you feel when you go?\n\nBUNZL: It doesn't bother me. Except Munich, [Germany]. Somehow Munich I don't\nlike. With the children, I went. Children were there, grandparents were there,\nthey're building a school . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: It's all still there?\n\nBUNZL: No, the schools aren't there anymore. Yes, the grammar school is there,\nthe high school isn't there. See, Mother and I went to the same high school. The\nschool where my brother and my father went is still there.\n\nKREMER: And your house?\n\nBUNZL: That's there, yes. See, they got it back after the war.\n\nKREMER: They did get them back?\n\nBUNZL: Oh, yes. 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He had a job.\nHe stayed with them until 1965, in the same business, and even last week, you\nknow the association of the waste people had a thing, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he still went to the\nluncheon. He hasn't lost contact with them. [Indistinct] he had a job.\n\nKREMER: How did the two of you meet?\n\nBUNZL: When I came from Elberton to Atlanta . . . because I wasn't staying in\nElberton. I said, \"The country's not for me.\" It's alright for a week or two,\nbut after three months I'd had it. I couldn't stand it anymore. 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So, I stayed in New\nYork, worked for the milk farm in the summer, worked for another milk farm in\nthe winter, then worked in New York until my parents get me down here . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: When you were all leaving, how did you . . . obviously, you didn't have\nthat much trouble getting out at the time you were going.\n\nBUNZL: No. I had a ticket with my money, and I took some . . .\n\nKREMER: But the Germans were letting you out at that point?\n\nBUNZL: Oh yes. My parents had to pay. I think they had to pay for me, too. But I\ncouldn't take anything. 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You\nknow, things . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: Practical.\n\nBUNZL: [We'd call it] the kitchen English. They did that. Now, I went to those\nmeetings, too. We had a lot of fun.\n\nKREMER: What was it called?\n\nBUNZL: It first was done Monday night, then it became New World Club. Later on,\nafter everybody got integrated in, and it stopped.\n\nKREMER: It hasn't revived with other immigrant groups coming in?\n\nBUNZL: No, no. Not that I know of. 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How did you live, where did you live . . .\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: We lived [in our] first apartment, we had a furnished apartment, on\nRidgemont road behind Emory. I know the first time I fried chicken it nearly\nburnt the house up. I had company, and we had fried chicken, and I didn't know\n[Indistinct] caught fire!\n\nKREMER: My goodness, all that practical schooling . . . !\n\nBUNZL: We never had fried chicken! 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See, we're still friends, so we went for\nNew Year's Eve, to a movie, Harvey, and we never had anything to drink, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I\nhave never giggled and laughed as much as we did. Afterwards, we went to a\nrestaurant, and it was after 12:00. After 12:00 you couldn't get any liquor\nanymore, you know, it was a Saturday, and I tell you I have never had a funnier,\nmore laughing New Years Eve than we had. We did it with nothing. We always had\npoise, and were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very simple, but we always had a lot of fun.\n\nKREMER: Were these other immigrant couples?\n\nBUNZL: They were all immigrant couples.\n\nKREMER: You kind of stuck together.\n\nBUNZL: [We] stuck together. Some of them we still speak German to. Some we\ndon't, [we] speak English. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we brought the gefilte fish for the long fish, and sweet,\nand sours, and then came the [Indistinct] fish, and we both tried it, and we\nboth spit it out, and none of us eats more of it.\n\nKREMER: How was your Seder . . . you said your Seder was different?\n\nBUNZL: We had different types of food. 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That aunt I was telling ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you,\nearlier, lived with us, her name was Frieda, and you know how kids are. Another\nadult in the family, and she was a pipsqueak, and she didn't want to interfere,\nbut she did . . . which I think is a very normal reaction of kids [not liking\nrelatives]. I didn't want to be called Frieda, so I changed my name to Frances.\nWhen I became an American citizen I officially changed it.\n\nKREMER: Wow, that's interesting.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: Yes. It was very personal, [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: Back to the foods in your celebrations, you mentioned your husband\nhadn't been to a Seder or anything, was his family just not very observant?\n\nBUNZL: No, they were not observant at all, but he was bar mitzvah-ed, so was his\nbrother, but they never went to synagogue at all, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"never observed the holy days,\nhad Christmas during all this time . . .\n\nKREMER: And yet, when the Nazis came, didn't make any difference.\n\nBUNZL: Didn't make any difference. When my father-in-law died my husband had to\ngo to the synagogue, got the certificate for marriage, so that [his parents]\ncould be buried in the Jewish part of the cemetery. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had a brother who was\nthere, buried, already.\n\nKREMER: Was this here [in Atlanta]?\n\nBUNZL: No, in Vienna.\n\nKREMER: Oh, in Vienna.\n\nBUNZL: Both my in-laws are buried in Vienna.\n\nKREMER: But they moved here?\n\nBUNZL: They moved here, then they moved back. 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They had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a beautiful apartment.\n\nKREMER: When they went back.\n\nBUNZL: Yes. With the same stuff. I mean, those two chairs, that table, they've\nbeen over the ocean three times already! I brought them back afterwards.\n\nKREMER: Did they have any relatives left in Vienna when they went back?\n\nBUNZL: Yes, they had a nephew, who was in England, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but he went back to the\nbusiness. See, they got their business. After the Russians left, they got\nbusinesses back. Their factory. [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: What was their factory?\n\nBUNZL: They had paper. Of course, now they are all sold.\n\nKREMER: The nephew's still there?\n\nBUNZL: Yes, but he's retired now.\n\nKREMER: And your husband's brother?\n\nBUNZL: Lives in Richmond, Virginia. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"has a cigarette business. He wants to\nretire, now, too. The only one who doesn't want to retire is my husband.\n\nKREMER: He's having fun at what he's doing.\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\nKREMER: Back, then, to your early days. You had a lot of fun with friends who\nwere also German immigrants.\n\nBUNZL: Or Austrian immigrants. 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You always were treated, more or\nless, [as] the outsider.\n\nKREMER: By the Jews and the non-Jews?\n\nBUNZL: By the Jews. More than the non-Jews. But, [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: You're talking about mainly the native, Southern Jews?\n\nBUNZL: We were charity cases to them.\n\nKREMER: But they weren't paying for you at that point, you were all . . .\n\nBUNZL: Of course not! And they never paid. The only thing they did for me, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was\nfinding me, which was a telephone call, a place to live, and I paid rent to\nthose people. So, they didn't give me any charity, really.\n\nKREMER: How did you feel about that? Did you and your friends care?\n\nBUNZL: It did not bother me as much as some other people. As I said, I'm very\neasy to get along with. I learned long enough, what cannot be, cannot be, so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you\ndo the best you can with what you have.\n\nKREMER: But it bothered some of your friends.\n\nBUNZL: Some of them. But it worked itself out over the years. Don't forget,\nstrange [Indistinct] who all spoke differently, all had strange accents, you\nknow. 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I think they did it better with the German\nimmigrants than they did with the Russians before.\n\nKREMER: Well, actually, you were the second wave of German immigrants, a lot of\npeople you're probably talking about . . .\n\nBUNZL: No, the ones I'm talking about were ones where I think the prejudice\nstill existed, even worse, were the immigrants ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who came in in prior [to] World\nWar I, and their descendants. It took about two generations until the Jewish\ncommunity was completely integrated with each other, because they kept odd\nlanguages and customs. Again, customs. 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[We felt like\noutsiders] until I had children in Sunday school and the came to know better the\nother people who had children in Sunday school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: Were you working when you got married, you and your husband both worked?\n\nBUNZL: At that point. Until after . . . see, Richard was my second pregnancy. I\nhad seven pregnancies and two children. After the first pregnancy I couldn't work.\n\nKREMER: Were you miscarried each one?\n\nBUNZL: One was a stillborn. That was much later. 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She didn't need the work, with social\nsecurity and her husband worked for the federal reserve, so she [Indistinct].\nBut she has a lot to do, her husband's very ill.\n\nKREMER: Your first outing, then, for real volunteer work, was being a Brownie leader?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: I think the [first] real big one, yeah.\n\nKREMER: Now, where was this Brownie troupe? Was it a Jewish troupe?\n\nBUNZL: No, no.\n\nKREMER: It was a school troupe?\n\nBUNZL: It was a school troupe. It met at the Lutheran church, and I got really\ninvolved with that.\n\nKREMER: Did you have co-workers? Co-leaders, who were not Jewish?\n\nBUNZL: Yes. 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When I was president there was Head Start,\nand one agency became double my funding, that was all during ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my . . .\n\nKREMER: Tell me about these . . .\n\nBUNZL: The first grant the council got, it was a government grant, was during my\nadministration. It was a study for the golden age [Indistinct].\n\nKREMER: Did you write for that grant? Did someone else?\n\nBUNZL: I didn't. I wasn't real good at that. I wasn't real hot at that. Don't\nforget, my English isn't so hot. 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I mean, there was a lot that I could do, and\nthere was immigration stuff that was all during that time.\n\nKREMER: What years were you involved?\n\nBUNZL: I think it was 1961 to 1963 [that I was president], because I got out of\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"office after the national convention was here, and Marilyn Shubin. Marilyn\nShubin and I were very close together, and Barbara Lipchutz, who doesn't live\nanymore. I don't know if you heard the name, she was Bob Lipchutz's wife. She\ndied of cancer, but only fifteen years ago, but it was right after my Susie was\nmarried, because we had lunch together, looked ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the wedding pictures, and that\nnight she died. We had the Golden Age Club, The Golden Age employment service,\nand Head Start. The reading program in schools. That was what we did. 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You can [only] do so much and not more, and I said\nto myself, \"Now, even if I'm going to retire, which I hope to do [soon], I don't\nknow if I'll do anything but spot jobs.\" Never anything [Indistinct]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: You mentioned federation, have you also been involved with them in the past?\n\nBUNZL: Only [Indistinct], things like that. Not any big job, not any planning.\nNothing like that.\n\nKREMER: So, your major volunteer commitment was to NCJW?\n\nBUNZL: Yes. 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I'm sure I did a lot of things with [Indistinct], and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nnever was actually the lead fundraiser. [Indistinct] I'd rather do the work,\n[and] work-type things. It's easier to clean out a food shop than ask people for money.\n\nKREMER: The community service sorts of things.\n\nBUNZL: Yes. I thought family outreach center would interest me, that would be\ngood. 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He had a woman with him, she had\nfour kids, and one time a kid got sick, so somebody had to come to the office.\nIt went from occasionally ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to more and more, and I got completely involved in it.\n\nKREMER: So, what do you actually do?\n\nBUNZL: Sell travel. From selling you a ticket from here to Memphis, to a\ncomplete trip around the world with cars, and shoppers, and all that, or\nwhatever you want to do.\n\nKREMER: Do you do a lot of traveling yourself?\n\nBUNZL: Not as much as I used to, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"though I do still quite a bit. This year, we\nwent, in February, on a week's cruise. Then I went to North Carolina, where I\nhave a timeshare, and that was in October. In August I went with my husband to\nGermany. 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[Indistinct] You ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have to know who\nyou sell less to and who you sell that to. That's easy. The tours are easy. The\nhard things are if people say, \"I want to see 15 countries in one week.\" Then\nyou talk them out of it.\n\nKREMER: You actually deal with clients?\n\nBUNZL: People. That's why I say service. 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They\ndon't even give money.\n\nKREMER: Do you think it's because they don't feel a part of it?\n\nBUNZL: I had this one girl, she goes to the Temple Senior Citizens Services, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or\nsomething, but I don't think she ever, even when her daughter went to Sunday\nschool, has she ever cooked a meal. You understand what I'm saying? Sure, she's\na member . . . I don't think she's a member of [Indistinct]. Never has been. But\nnow, since she is old, she goes to the [Temple]. She is a widow. We laugh about\nher now. 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I have to say, about a year before, I\nwas very, very interested, I saw some of those camps, and I read the\n[Indistinct], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I understand perfectly what happened. Those people are\ndesperate. But I think if the Arabs would [Indistinct]. They were the worst\ncamps I have ever seen. I saw one in Germany, too, you know. I have been in\n[Indistinct: Sh/churin?] in Austria and [Indistinct]. The Russians came and they\nsent to Israel, those concentration camps. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had lunch in Jericho and went\nup to the Dead Sea. We went everywhere Jesus stopped. I mean, this was\ndifferent, but I wanted to see that side. It was very interesting. [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: Do you worry about Israel's survival?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: Not as long as the Arabs behave themselves with each other like that.\n\nKREMER: You think if they all start getting along, then . . .\n\nBUNZL: Then there is danger. But right now, there is no danger. The Islamic\npeople, the Shi'ites, and the Christians, and the others, they don't get along\nwith each other. Did you ever read that book, The Haj? One of the worst [books].\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not talking about worst written, but contents. But after you have seen some\nof those camps, you understand it, and I can understand how they treat\nChristians, and how they treat each other.\n\nKREMER: But along with that, I have been told that they also give those people a\ngreat deal of hate propaganda, blame it on the Jews and Israel, and all that.\n\nBUNZL: Oh, yes.\n\nKREMER: They're ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fostering the hate.\n\nBUNZL: They do that. That, you see, came in that book, too. They have to blame\nit on something. The people in those camps were betrayed by their own people.\nThey were [Indistinct]. They were good friends with the Jews before that, you\nknow, on an individual ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"basis, again.\n\nKREMER: Can you compare that to Germany?\n\nBUNZL: No, it's different. I think the Germans were bad, too, but they were not\nquite as primitive [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: But, in the end, they were.\n\nBUNZL: In the end, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Indistinct]. But with the Arabs, I understand. You\nunderstand what I'm talking about? Because they live in a tribal state. They're\nstill tribal.\n\nKREMER: Well, they're not as civilized. The German society was a very cultured,\ncivilized society.\n\nBUNZL: That's why it's harder to understand that.\n\nKREMER: But do you think it's the same hate and the same ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5490.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"psychological . . . ?\n\nBUNZL: A scapegoat. Now, in Germany, it was [Indistinct] the Jews were\nscapegoats. But this was brother against brother, this way, with the Jews and\nthe Arabs. Don't forget, we all come from the same place.\n\nKREMER: December 9, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5520.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1985. This is Ray Ann Kremer at 3755 Wieuca, interviewing\nFrances Bunzl. This is tape number two, side one. This is for the American\nJewish Committee, National Council of Jewish Women's project, Women of\nAchievement. Mrs. Bunzl, on our last tape, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we were talking about your feelings\nabout Israel. You had been there, and you had certain observations. One of the\nthings that I didn't get a chance to ask you about were your feelings about the\nway the Arabs were treating their own people as compared to the way the Germans\nwere treating their people at the time of the war.\n\nBUNZL: You mean how the Germans were treating the Germans, or how the Germans\nwere treating the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jews?\n\nKREMER: Well, there were supposedly other people besides the Germans and the\nJews. There were Catholics and et cetera.\n\nBUNZL: I have the feeling that the Germans did it more deliberately, while I\nthink to the Arabs it's second nature. You know, the Arabs, that hate business\nis going for generations. I think they are not up to our moral levels. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the\nGermans, it came from above, more than the bottom up. You understand what I'm\ntalking about?\n\nKREMER: But the people had to react to what they were being told. Something\nwithin must have responded.\n\nBUNZL: I tell you, you have to look at the circumstances, too. They lost the\nwar. I'm talking about the Germans. They were unemployed and they were hungry. I\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5640.0,5670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think if you are hungry, you will do a lot of things which you're not supposed\nto. I don't want to take sides with the Germans, but you have to be a little bit\nobjective to see how the things developed. They needed a scapegoat, and don't\nforget that there were very, very few poor, real poor, German Jewish people. 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It ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5730.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"shouldn't be, because there's no religion in Russia,\nyou know. Everybody is equal. Antisemitism is people and scapegoats. The Jews\nhave been the scapegoats for centuries, more than the German Jews.\n\nKREMER: But you were saying that the Germans were hungry. I'm not taking sides\nwith the Arabs, either, but these ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people are certainly poverty-ridden. The\nPalestinians don't have anyone who will let them in. Even their own people don't\nwant them in their countries. They're living in horrible squalor.\n\nBUNZL: They live awful. But I think the hatred and the sadistic behavior of the\nArabs toward their own. I'm not talking about towards the Jews. These\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=5790.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"terrorists, they don't care if they get killed. The suicide bomb squad and all\nthis, is something which somehow is inbred to them for centuries. The Germans\nsure didn't use suicide squads to kill the Jews. You understand what I'm saying?\n\nKREMER: But they did some pretty cruel, horrible things.\n\nBUNZL: To the Jews, but not while they were doing it to themselves. 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You understand what I'm . . . ?\n\nKREMER: I do, but I think when you're killing somebody, or torturing them, I\nwould think any human being would know that that's a pretty terrible thing to do.\n\nBUNZL: It's a terrible, terrible thing, but as I said, the Arabs have done it\nand done it and done it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6000.0,6030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in course. [It's their] way of life. Sounds horrible,\nbut it was, or is. While the Germans, it wasn't a way of life. It was suddenly.\n\nKREMER: Since you've been back to Germany, what is the attitude you have felt\nafter the war there?\n\nBUNZL: I never feel a hundred percent easy. Especially Munich. I don't know why\nMunich just gives me the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"creeps. I always think of everybody: is he a Nazi, or\nis she a Nazi? It left a stigma or whatever you want to call it.\n\nKREMER: Do you still feel Nazism is sort of underneath a lot there?\n\nBUNZL: No, it isn't, but you can't forgive completely. You should, but sometimes\nyou don't.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: When it's drastically changed your life, I don't know why you should.\nI'd like to go back and fill in some other places. One thing, this is just a\nsingle question, but I wasn't quite sure whether when you came from New York you\nwent to Elberton or Albany [Georgia].\n\nBUNZL: Elberton.\n\nKREMER: But your parents were in Albany?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6090.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: No. My brother is living in Albany.\n\nKREMER: Oh, okay.\n\nBUNZL: He's living now there.\n\nKREMER: I see. I couldn't quite tell from my notes. You had told us how you met\nyour husband, but I'd like to, if you know enough, to go into his background,\ncoming from Vienna, because I think your two combined backgrounds, and then your\nway of life here, is interesting.\n\nBUNZL: His background was similar to mine, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6120.0,6150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"except his family was more wealthy\nthan ours. Actually, they were not observant Jews, even though my in-laws were\nmarried in the synagogue, which was a blessing when my mother-in-law died,\nbecause all the records were there. Because they needed the records for the\nfuneral. 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You had always the\npeople coming in from Poland, and Russia, Romania, who stayed in a certain part\nof town.\n\nKREMER: So, there was a class difference?\n\nBUNZL: There was a class difference.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6240.0,6270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: And the upper class of Viennese Jews were very . . .\n\nBUNZL: . . . Very liberal . . .\n\nKREMER: . . . and part of the community.\n\nBUNZL: Part of the community. But in Austria, there was a difference. Prior to\nWorld War I, in Austria, a Jew could become an officer in the Army. In Germany,\nyou couldn't. 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Right\nnow, we have one in jail here. They're trying to send him back. It's a lot of rigmarole.\n\nKREMER: What is your involvement in all this? You do a lot of this ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6540.0,6570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paperwork and stuff?\n\nBUNZL: Walter goes to jail. I mean, Walter visits them in jail, and goes and\ngets in touch with the embassy to see what they can do. But this guy is also\nwanted in Austria, so the minute he lands in Vienna, he is going to jail there.\nHe's a real criminal. Then people die here, and the bodies have to be shipped,\nor the ashes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6570.0,6600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He has to do it. Or they lose their passports. All kinds of things.\n\nKREMER: And your involvement with this?\n\nBUNZL: Oh, I answer the phone, and easy questions I can answer. Somebody called\nthe other day and wanted Swarovski, the thing like this thing over there, this\ntype of crystal? She wanted candlesticks, and I said, \"Have you called gift\nshops here?\" She wanted to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6600.0,6630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know if we knew how she could get . . .\n\nKREMER: Wait, what did you call that kind of crystal?\n\nBUNZL: Swarovski.\n\nKREMER: How do you spell that?\n\nBUNZL: That I don't know.\n\nKREMER: It's an Austrian-made crystal?\n\nBUNZL: Austrian. 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It's mostly representations.\n\nKREMER: I hope this is a paid position?\n\nBUNZL: No, it isn't.\n\nKREMER: There is no pay?\n\nBUNZL: Not even a postage stamp.\n\nKREMER: They don't even ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6780.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pay for your postage?\n\nBUNZL: No. [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: I'll bet there is. I'm just amazed.\n\nBUNZL: Like for instance, he has to travel, not very often, to Savannah or\nsomething. He went to Savannah for the 200th anniversary . . . 400? When did\nOglethorpe come? Is it 200 or 400 years ago?\n\nKREMER: Two.\n\nBUNZL: Two hundred years ago. 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One luncheon, one dinner, last\ntime he had a conference.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=6870.0,6900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: How many cities in this country is there an Austrian consul in?\n\nBUNZL: Let me see. There is one here and one in Miami [Florida], one in New\nOrleans [Louisiana]. That's the honorary ones, the ones who don't get paid. One\nin Houston [Texas], one in Pittsburg [Pennsylvania], one in Boston\n[Massachusetts], one in Detroit [Michigan], one in Minneapolis [Minnesota], one\nin Seattle [Washington], one in San Francisco [California]. 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She's not a very easy\nperson to get involved, and of course, maybe because she is working.\n\nKREMER: Well, a lot of that generation is working, and some of them find time to\nget a little involved, and . . .\n\nBUNZL: Some don't.\n\nKREMER: I mean, you found out how hard it was to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7140.0,7170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do volunteer work after you\nstarted working . . .\n\nBUNZL: It's impossible. I mean, for me, it's impossible.\n\nKREMER: How does your husband view you as a worker as opposed to a volunteer?\nDid he differentiate that?\n\nBUNZL: No.\n\nKREMER: He still just wanted to make sure he got dinner?\n\nBUNZL: For instance, Walter just said to me this afternoon, \"Go home early. I\nhave to eat early.\" I mean, to be home on time. He doesn't want me to leave\nearly, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7170.0,7200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sometimes he'll stay half an hour longer. But when he wants to eat\nearly, he wants to eat early.\n\nKREMER: If you had a choice, right now, today, or say even ten years ago, or\nfifteen years ago, of either doing volunteer work, as you were doing it, or\nworking, not both . . . If you could do it all over again, and you didn't need\nto work, and you had your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7200.0,7230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"choice, what would you have preferred doing?\n\nBUNZL: I did volunteer work, but I found out that volunteer work is just as hard\nas regular work, if you really do it. But there comes a time where you get\nenough, because I had the feeling that, especially in Council, you work with\nprofessionals, and the professionals look down at the volunteers. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7230.0,7260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At least some\nof them did.\n\nKREMER: What professionals are you talking about?\n\nBUNZL: I tell you, we had one woman at the employment agency, in Council . . .\n\nKREMER: The Golden Age . . .\n\nBUNZL: . . . Employment, and she thought . . . 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Of course, a volunteer always can say, \"No, I don't do it,\" but\nusually, I have found the women, when they took a job, they usually finish it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7290.0,7320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[They] work real diligently at it, just like a professional. I think somehow . .\n. not to me, but they felt that they were not appreciated enough. It's not that\nthey wanted to be recognized as such, but the professionals look down on them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7320.0,7350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\ndon't know who had the feeling.\n\nKREMER: Not in that particular instance, or in that sort of way, [but] I think\nthat a lot of women today don't feel their self-worth unless they're getting\npaid, almost as they have to prove something. Had you gotten to that point where\nyou needed to get paid for all the work you were doing to feel that it was\nworthwhile, and that no one was looking down at you?\n\nBUNZL: Yes, it got to that point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7350.0,7380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: So, whether it was your husband's business or not, you would have gotten\na job?\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\nKREMER: Do you think your daughter feels that?\n\nBUNZL: Yes. But, right now, I'm quitting again.\n\nKREMER: You're quitting work again?\n\nBUNZL: I'm quitting. I'm going twice a week starting the first of the year, and\nquitting altogether in April, and then I'm going to do volunteer work again, but\nI'm not going to do it on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7380.0,7410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"executive level.\n\nKREMER: Just pick things you like to do?\n\nBUNZL: Yes, and short-term projects.\n\nKREMER: What do you like to do best when it comes to volunteer work?\n\nBUNZL: Something where I can really help people. Where I really think I'm\nuseful. I enjoyed working at the employment agency or even cooking. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7440.0,7470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: Maybe that's your new project.\n\nBUNZL: I don't know.\n\nKREMER: Who is your husband replacing you with? Because I know he's got a lot\n[to do] there.\n\nBUNZL: He is selling the place, and he's staying on for another year. Then\npeople who buy it bring somebody in, but the person they bring in had no idea [Indistinct]\n\nKREMER: The business is sold, then?\n\nBUNZL: Yes, but it's not final yet.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7470.0,7500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: You had mentioned you were ready to retire.\n\nBUNZL: I have [Indistinct]. It's getting too hectic.\n\nKREMER: And then he'll be retired, too. Will you still get your goodies to travel?\n\nBUNZL: No.\n\nKREMER: You'd better get a few more trips in.\n\nBUNZL: I don't think there's any more. That's finished.\n\nKREMER: Is your daughter going to stay on there?\n\nBUNZL: Yes, she is.\n\nKREMER: That's good. I know you're looking forward to that.\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7500.0,7530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: Now, back to Germany: this was a question I thought about, because I\nlooked at you, and when you talked about role models, sort of not directly, that\nyour family was involved in volunteering . . . but when you were young, did you\nhave a role model? Was there someone you really looked up to? 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The time when I was 15, 16. But I think it had a lot to do with\noutside pressure. You see, my teenage years were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7590.0,7620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different than anybody else's.\nWe were reading the philosophy, Jews reading philosophy and talking about Gandhi\nand stuff like this. We were 15, 16, [doing] things like this.\n\nKREMER: You were doing that education on your own because you weren't allowed in\nschool at that time, isn't that true?\n\nBUNZL: I don't know. My mother made me read all those things.\n\nKREMER: But were you out of school at that time?\n\nBUNZL: No. Partly I was still in school. But the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7620.0,7650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friends I had, we were not as\nsilly and giggling like they are here. But I'm sure that was more the outside\nthan . . .\n\nKREMER: What do you mean, \"the outside?\"\n\nBUNZL: The Nazis and all this. You know, the pressure from the outside. Then I\nthink we would have been normal teenagers, I would have been a normal teenager,\nif all that wasn't happening. 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I think that's because we had to.\nBut I can't say that I was unhappy.\n\nKREMER: So, you looked up to intellectuals?\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\nKREMER: At that point . . .\n\nBUNZL: At that point, I mean . . .\n\nKREMER: Who was your favorite philosopher at that point?\n\nBUNZL: Martin ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7680.0,7710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Buber, Leo Baeck, and [Indistinct]. All those things were\ndiscussed. Not in school, of course, and I didn't go to [Indistinct] or anything.\n\nKREMER: [Indistinct] discussed between your friends?\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\nKREMER: What about at the dinner table at home with your parents?\n\nBUNZL: Not so much. [These things weren't discussed.] With my mother more than\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7710.0,7740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my father. My mother was, I think, the better-educated one of the two. Made me\nread if I liked it or not.\n\nKREMER: That's good, because I try to make my children read. Were you able to\nmake your children read?\n\nBUNZL: Susie, yes. Richard, no. I think it's an individual thing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7740.0,7770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother, for\ninstance, [Indistinct]. When my brother came here, when he came back from the\nwar, on the Bill of Rights, I mean, whatever the thing . . . the [thing] boys in\nthe Army got and went to college. [When he went to college] she made him take\nGerman, and she insisted that he should take the most advanced German course\nwith the great German literature because he never had it in school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7770.0,7800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: When you came to this country, did you have different role models? Who\ndid you look up to here that you can remember?\n\nBUNZL: You mean as a person?\n\nKREMER: Somebody who you have aspired to be like.\n\nBUNZL: I became [Indistinct], too down to earth. I'd like to be like my mother.\nShe was . . .\n\nKREMER: She was your role model?\n\nBUNZL: Yes. 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I knew that when I came here.\n\nKREMER: What was it about her that you admired?\n\nBUNZL: She was intelligent in her way of life and philosophy.\n\nKREMER: What was her way of life?\n\nBUNZL: She was a very simple ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=7860.0,7890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Indistinct]. I think the way she achieved was\nthrough hard work. She didn't go to college or anything. She just learned by doing.\n\nKREMER: Sounds like you. Sounds like what you just described!\n\nBUNZL: I liked her. 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Reformed\n[Judaism] in Europe is different from Reformed here. Reformed in Germany was\nmore like Conservativism. 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You just have to believe, and it's up\nto you. It's just like a point. There is nothing smaller than a point.\" That was\nthe type of discussions we had in confirmation class. I don't know if kids have\nthe same kinds of discussions right now. Of course, they are only four or five.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8010.0,8040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: That's wonderful. Have you found something on that intellectual level\nsince you've been in this country with discussions? Has that need been fulfilled here?\n\nBUNZL: When I was younger, I used to go to the Center, and I loved the courses\nthere. Here I think of the rabbi, and of course, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8040.0,8070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love the Rabbi. what's our\nRabbi's last name? . . . Lehrman. I loved him. He and Feldman were the two\nrabbis. [Indistinct] because even though he's orthodox, he's also ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8070.0,8100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a little bit\nlike the rabbi in Germany, down to earth. Because once the question came up,\n\"You pray three times a day; does it mean anything?\" and he said, \"Not always,\nbut it's there when I need it.\" I like that, you know?\n\nKREMER: Well, you'll have time to do that. [Indistinct]\n\nBUNZL: I'm having time again. I go and do things, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8100.0,8130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I have neglected my\nown [interests], because I'm just retired. But now I can do things.\n\nKREMER: How has the women's movement affected you in this country? Does it have\nany special meaning to you?\n\nBUNZL: No. [Indistinct] I'm not a women's libber. 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They should\ndo it discretely and quietly without the men knowing it, because that is what a\nsmart woman is.\n\nKREMER: That would be the European attitude.\n\nBUNZL: I mean, I always look at Susie's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8160.0,8190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mother. We just discussed it today in\nthe office. She is also the smarter one of the two. She's a [Indistinct]. She\nmade all his business decisions, she did everything, but she always said,\n\"Murray said it should be done that way.\" It was always he who did it. You get\nwhat I'm talking about?\n\nKREMER: Does Susie do that?\n\nBUNZL: No, I don't think . . . 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I think a\nsmart woman lets her husband be the boss, and does the finagling nicely behind him!\n\nKREMER: What about in business, the opportunities for women, etc.?\n\nBUNZL: I think that should be, but they shouldn't . . .\n\nKREMER: Can women function that way in business?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8220.0,8250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BUNZL: I think women can be as smart as men.\n\nKREMER: But can they function by finagling and doing it behind the scenes and\nletting the man get credit for it when they get to business?\n\nBUNZL: I don't think they want it. No, I think business is something else.\n\nKREMER: Different than the man-woman relationship?\n\nBUNZL: Yes. 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You\nunderstand, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8400.0,8430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"child support does not pay for the mother being out of work when the\nchild has measles.\n\nKREMER: I don't think that most women wanted no alimony. 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But I've heard that from a lot of people who have European ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8460.0,8490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"husbands.\nThey don't help and it's sometimes individual. Since my children don't have\nchildren, I cannot say what will happen in their cases. I have no first-hand\nexperience with it.\n\nKREMER: Does your son-in-law share more with your daughter in household things?\n\nBUNZL: Not too much, no. 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That's the child my daughter was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=8880.0,8910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: How old were you when your mother died?\n\nBUNZL: Let's see. It was the year before Susie was married, so I was already forty.\n\nKREMER: Oh, so she lived quite a long time.\n\nBUNZL: She died 17 years ago. . . .Susie got married in [1969] . . . 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She was visiting\nold people who were about 20 years younger than ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=9030.0,9060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she was. So, I come from a\nfamily who always has a lot of friends.\n\nKREMER: I would not give up on your daughter yet. I think that she could\ndefinitely [get involved in service]. How would you define what it is to be a\nJew? 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I mean, I don't know how the\nchildren feel. Both my children are hundred percent Jewish, but they're not\nOrthodox. But they wouldn't be anything else but Jews. Do you get what I'm\ntalking about? We are not observant Jews, but we are Jews.\n\nKREMER: Are you concerned about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=9210.0,9240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"assimilation in this country, losing a lot of Jews?\n\nBUNZL: You gain [Indistinct], too. I think that Jewish people as a whole here\nare good Jews. 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Don't you\nthink so?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=9300.0,9330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: Being Jewish is a little more than just a religion, though.\n\nBUNZL: Of course, it's more.\n\nKREMER: It's an identity that's been a peoplehood, that's nice. And it's also\nsomething that got a lot of people shoved into the ovens, whether they believed\nin it or not.\n\nBUNZL: Yes. I personally don't think that those six million people died in vain.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=9330.0,9360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think they strengthened the Jews, the survivors. I think people become more\nidentified with being Jews. You know, \"it could happen to me.\" As I said, I'm\nnot a survivor, because I left before. 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I didn't\nnotice that I did that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=9570.0,9600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/transcript/35528/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KREMER: Is this the time when you save the doctor's life?\n\nBUNZL: Yes.\n\nKREMER: This was all in Frankfurt?\n\nBUNZL: That was all at that time. I see there something good in every bad.\n[Indistinct] There are bad things. There's always something. I always say\nusually everything comes out in the wash. 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I hope to do some work with you on a volunteer project.\n\nBUNZL: Oh, yes, always one of those things.\n\nKREMER: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=9660.0,9690.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/annotation_set/674","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/annotation_set/674/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eWiesbaden is a city in the state of Hesse in western Germany.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/annotation_set/674/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eOrthodox Judaism is a traditional branch of Judaism that strictly follows the Written \u003cem\u003eTorah\u003c/em\u003e and the Oral Law concerning prayer, dress, food, sex, family relations, social behavior, the Sabbath day, holidays and more. On the other hand, Reform Judaism A division within Judaism especially in North America and Western Europe. In general, the Reform movement maintains that Judaism and Jewish traditions should be modernized and compatible with participation in Western culture.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/annotation_set/674/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eB'nai B'rith International (Hebrew: ‘Children of the Covenant’) is the oldest Jewish service organization in the world. B'nai B'rith states that it is committed to the security and continuity of the Jewish people and the State of Israel and combating antisemitism and bigotry. Its mission is to unite persons of the Jewish faith and to enhance Jewish identity through strengthening Jewish family life, to provide broad-based services for the benefit of senior citizens, and to facilitate advocacy and action on behalf of Jews throughout the world.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/60161/file/148879/annotation_set/674/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Dutch Quarter in Potsdam, Germany was built from 1733 to 1740 and is considered Europe’s greatest collection of Dutch-style houses outside the Netherlands. 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Amid an economic depression and increasing political instability in Germany, Adolf Hitler and his party, the National Socialist German Workers' Party or Nazi Party rapidly rose to power. In 1932, the Nazi party was elected to fill more seats in the \u003cem\u003eReichstag\u003c/em\u003e (parliament) than any other party. In 1933, democratically elected President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Hitler Chancellor of Germany. 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