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He married his wife Ann in 1956 and they had three sons, David, Eric, and Jeffrey.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eIrving was active in ROTC while attending Central High School in St. Joe and entered West Point in 1944. He served his country for over thirty years in the U.S. armed forces beginning in the Strategic Air Command (SAC) in Okinawa during the Korean War. He was Legislative Liason and White House Aide under President Dwight D. Eisenhower and worked at the Pentagon for the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force. He later became Brigadier General as Director of Materiel Management at Air Force Materiel Command, Warner Robbins, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAfter his retirement in 1973, Schoenberg took a job at Abrams Industries in Atlanta. He was a division president for Abrams Fixture Corporation and ultimately became Executive Vice President for Investor Relations for the organization. After retiring in 1991 he conducted investor relations seminars at the Goizueta School of Business, at Emory University.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThroughout his military career, and following it, Irving Schoenberg has been a patriotic and dedicated man. He continues to help others by serving on the board of directors/being a member of organizations including Kiwanis, Boys and Girls Clubs, USO, American Red Cross, Hillside Hospital, and others. Throughout his life, his commitment to his Jewish faith has been an important part of his own life and the upbringing he and Ann provided for their sons.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eSchoenberg describes his upbringing in St. Joseph Missouri and shares stories of his parent’s and grandparent’s escape from Moldova and Bessarabia during the time of the Russian pogroms. He describes the Orthodox shul he attended as a boy, and his educational upbringing at Hebrew School and Talmud Torah School.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eHe describes his many years of military service, beginning with his days at West Point, then his time in the Army and Air Force. He tells of his work at Abrams Industries after retiring from the service, his involvement with numerous nonprofits, his life with wife Ann and their three children, his writing, and his interest in his family’s genealogy.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/28033"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Marvin Weintraub (personal name)","Irving Schoenberg  (personal name)","St. Joseph, Missouri (geographic term)","Dunwoody, Georgia (geographic term)","Okinawa, Japan (geographic term)","Republic of Moldova (geographic term)","United States Air Force (corporate name)","West Point (corporate name)","Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) (corporate name)","Pi Upsilon Pi (corporate name)","The American Red Cross Holocaust and War Victims Tracing Center (corporate name)","Korean War (chronological term)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIrving Schoenberg interviewed by Marvin Weintraub on July 7, 2005 and July 14, 2005 in Dunwoody, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eIrving Shoenberg was born on November 5, 1925 in St. Joseph Missouri, the son of Morris and Mary (Hochman) Schoenberg. He married his wife Ann in 1956 and they had three sons, David, Eric, and Jeffrey.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eIrving was active in ROTC while attending Central High School in St. Joe and entered West Point in 1944. He served his country for over thirty years in the U.S. armed forces beginning in the Strategic Air Command (SAC) in Okinawa during the Korean War. He was Legislative Liason and White House Aide under President Dwight D. Eisenhower and worked at the Pentagon for the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force. He later became Brigadier General as Director of Materiel Management at Air Force Materiel Command, Warner Robbins, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eAfter his retirement in 1973, Schoenberg took a job at Abrams Industries in Atlanta. He was a division president for Abrams Fixture Corporation and ultimately became Executive Vice President for Investor Relations for the organization. After retiring in 1991 he conducted investor relations seminars at the Goizueta School of Business, at Emory University.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThroughout his military career, and following it, Irving Schoenberg has been a patriotic and dedicated man. He continues to help others by serving on the board of directors/being a member of organizations including Kiwanis, Boys and Girls Clubs, USO, American Red Cross, Hillside Hospital, and others. Throughout his life, his commitment to his Jewish faith has been an important part of his own life and the upbringing he and Ann provided for their sons.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eSchoenberg describes his upbringing in St. Joseph Missouri and shares stories of his parent’s and grandparent’s escape from Moldova and Bessarabia during the time of the Russian pogroms. He describes the Orthodox shul he attended as a boy, and his educational upbringing at Hebrew School and Talmud Torah School.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eHe describes his many years of military service, beginning with his days at West Point, then his time in the Army and Air Force. He tells of his work at Abrams Industries after retiring from the service, his involvement with numerous nonprofits, his life with wife Ann and their three children, his writing, and his interest in his family’s genealogy.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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Today is\nJuly 7th, 2005, for the Jewish Oral History Project of Atlanta, which is\nco-sponsored by the American Jewish Committee, the Jewish Federation of Greater\nAtlanta, the National Council of Jewish Women, and the William Breman Jewish\nHeritage Museum. We are at the home of Colonel Schoenberg?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Colonel Schoenberg, Mr. Schoenberg, whichever you prefer, I'll use.\nThe Colonel is sitting here at his home ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down Winding Ridge Circle...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Court.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...Winding Ridge Court. I say Atlanta, Georgia, but...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Dunwoody.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...Dunwoody--which is not an incorporated city, but may be next\nweek--Dunwoody, Georgia. Nice to be with you.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Thank you, Marvin.\n\nWEINTRAUB: We'll discuss a few things today, and then carry on one day next\nweek. Let's start with some of the basics--date of birth ...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Five November 1925 [11/5/1925].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: ...1925, good night, that means you're going to have a birthday in November.\n\nSCHOENBERG: In November I'll be eighty years old.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You're a youngster. I do know you keep very active, and we'll get to\nthat in a little bit. And where were you born?\n\nSCHOENBERG: St. Joseph, Missouri, which is in the northwest corner of the state.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I haven't been to \"MO.\" [Missouri] It's one of the two states I have\nnot driven in.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, you need to do that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I'll get there one day. St. Joe, MO [Missouri], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and how about your\nparents? Let's talk a moment about [them]. Were they born in St. Joe?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, no. My father and mother both were born in a country that is now\ncalled the Republic of Moldova.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Moldova.\n\nSCHOENBERG: M-O-L-D-O-V-A. At the time that they lived there, it was an area\ncalled Bessarabia and Bessarabia went between Romania and Russia ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"back and forth\nduring the war years [World War I]. My parents both left there. My mother [Mary\nBertha Hochman] left in 1909, and she was seven years old at the time. My father\n[Morris Schoenberg] had gone off to a gymnasium in Chisinau [also called\nKishinev], which is the capital city of the Republic of Moldova. He was sent\naway to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school and was fifteen or sixteen years old when he got word--through a\nvery minor government official, a friend of our family--that the Czar was out to\nget students who were too radical and too inclined to raise hell. So they got\nhim out, he was about fifteen years old, and he came to the United States.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Where did they land, do you know?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, both came through Ellis Island. My mother ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came with her family,\nshe was the last of the ten children who came [to] this country. My father and\nmother both came from a shtetl called Telenesht which I visited in 1996.\nKishinev is the site of some of the worst pogroms in Jewish history, in 1903 and\nagain in 1905. The family left in 1909, but my grandmother and grandfather\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"already sensed that things were not going to get any better. They had ten\nchildren to worry about, and so they decided it was time to leave. The oldest\nbrother--for whom I am named--Israel ...\n\nWEINTRAUB: That's on your mother's side?\n\nSCHOENBERG: All of this is on my mother's side, the Hochman side.\n\nWEINTRAUB: H-O-C-H-M-A-N?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. My oldest uncle--my mother's oldest brother, Israel\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Hochman]--had been drafted into the Russian Army and served for thirteen years.\nYou never knew how long you were going to serve when you got drafted, and he\nserved thirteen years, as far as I can tell [through] my genealogical research.\nHe sired four children and [he and his wife] lived in a small town not too far\nfrom Telenesht. The family arrived in dribbles and drabbles--the children left\none at a time, two at a time. There were four boys and six girls, and of course,\nthe boys were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all interested in avoiding military service. So after my Uncle\nIsrael [Hochman] was in the military, my Uncle Henry [Hochman]--who was the next\noldest son--they managed to get him some kind of papers, and he was smuggled out\nof Europe and came ...this is quite a story. He was headed towards the United\nStates, and by this time the family had decided they were going to go to St.\nJoe, Missouri because there was already a colony being formed, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of people from\nBessarabia and Telenesht, going to St. Joe, Missouri. That's a very strange\nstory, how they picked that out. The family began to move, and the older sisters\nand older brothers started leaving in about 1905. The oldest boy at that time\nwas my Uncle Hymia [Hochman], and he came directly ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the United States. But my\nUncle Henry, who was next older to him, got on a boat in Bremerhaven--I\npresume--somewhere up in the North Sea. For some reason, he got communicating\nwith a man who was Hispanic and spoke Yiddish, so they could communicate\nsomehow. This Hispanic fellow said to my Uncle Henry, \"Where are you going?\" He\nsaid, \"To St. Joseph,\" but he didn't say, St. Joseph, Missouri, he just said,\nSt. Joseph. This fellow said, \"Ah, San José!\" so my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uncle ended up in South\nAmerica. I'm not sure whether it was Argentina or Puerto Rico or Costa Rica, but\nfor three years he was there, and he eventually came back to St. Joe, Missouri.\nThe family worked, saved their pennies and dimes, and managed to bring [the\nsiblings] over one at a time, two at a time, and the last four children--of\nwhich my mother was the youngest--she and two sisters and a brother, all came\nwith my grandparents and landed at Ellis Island in 1909.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: So all ten. How about your grandfather? You said this is your mother...\n\nSCHOENBERG: My grandfather came too. The two grandparents came with the four\nyoungest children.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...ah, the four youngest children, meanwhile having sent the other ones.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, everybody else had gone. The only one left then, in Europe, was\nmy Uncle Israel, the oldest of the four [boys]. It wasn't until 1922 that they\nwere able to get him out. But [they] saved enough money to pay the passage for\nthe whole family, so he reunited with the family in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1922. An interesting\ncomment, the first thing he said was, \"Where's my baby sister?\"--my mother,\nMary--and this was 1922. So my mother was already twenty years old. He only\nlived, Uncle Israel, until 1924.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Just two years [in America].\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, I don't know what killed him, but something. The reports are\nstrange as to what was the cause of death. But [in] 1924 he died, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was born\nin 1925, so thus the name, Israel.\n\nWEINTRAUB: How did your father end up in St. Joe?\n\nSCHOENBERG: There was a relationship between my father and my mother...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Back in the old country.\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...in the old country. My father's family also came from Telenesht,\nand they knew each other, the families knew each other. But my father didn't\ncome until about 1915 or 1916. One of his first ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cousins--my Uncle Chaim Fishman,\nmy father's first cousin--was already living in St. Joe and, incidentally,\nmarried one of my mother's sisters. So my father and my Uncle Chaim were first\ncousins, and they both married sisters--double relations. My father managed to\nget out. Again, people told him that the Czar was going to send him to Siberia\nif he didn't get the hell out. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So he came to the United States, and he lived in\nNew York City [New York] for a short while, barely surviving--he told me in one\nof our conversations--because he had a second cousin, or somebody, living in New\nYork. Then he went to St. Joe to visit his first cousin, my Uncle Chaim. While\nhe was there, he met my Aunt Goldie [Golda Hochman Wienshienk], who was my\nmother's next oldest sister, and they fell in love, but they didn't get married\nright away. My father went back to New York, and what do you know, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he got\ndrafted into the United States Army in 1917. He told me that he was one of 100\nmen who were called down to the draft board. They examined them, and they chose\ntwo--my father was one. So he got into the Army in 1917, and they sent him up to\nCamp Upton, New York, that's on Long Island [New York]. He hadn't been there\nvery long, and they put him on a ship going to France.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Going back home.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Going back home, yes. 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So that was my father's\nfiring range experience. He got to France, and he was in France until the end of\nthe war, until 1918. Then they sent him over to Eastern Europe. Because he spoke\nRussian, he was a translator, so he stayed [past] the end of the war. He didn't\nget back to the Sates until after about twenty-some months over there.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So he missed the Czar's army for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seventeen years but spent a few\nyears with the American army.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, quite a few years.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Did he ever get back to the shtetl while he was there?\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, he never did. When we were stationed in Germany in 1959 to 1962,\nI tried to get him to come back to visit us. We weren't very far from a lot of\nthe World War I battlefields. He didn't want to come, he wasn't interested, so\nhe never did come.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Just for the record, and we'll get to it later, Colonel Schoenberg\nspent some time, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"obviously in Europe. We'll get to his military career later...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So...\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, let me continue with my father.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes, I want to see how he got back to St. Joe.\n\nSCHOENBERG: When my Aunt Goldie--the one who my father thought he had a love\naffair going with--when he left to go to France, my Aunt Goldie decided to get\nmarried to my Uncle \"Abe\" [Abraham] Wienshienk. She felt sorry for my\nfather--the poor soldier boy over in France--and she told her youngest sister,\nmy mother Mary, \"Why don't you write to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morris? He would really like to have\nsome correspondence.\" So he began writing to my mother, and after the war he\ncame back to St. Joe, Missouri, and they got married, eventually.\n\nWEINTRAUB: What did the family do in St. Joe?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, one of the reasons that St. Joe was attractive is that there\nwere five big meat-packing plants. Anybody who could lift anything could get a\njob, and this word got back to Telenesht, that if you're going to come to the\nUnited States, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come to St. Joe. There are people here who speak Yiddish and who\nare from our same place, and you can get a job just like that, and they did. So\nmy Uncle Henry and my Uncle Hymia, the third-youngest boy, came to the United\nStates with my Uncle Chaim Fishman--they were very, very close friends--in 1905.\nThey immediately went to work in the meat-packing plant. People were told that\nwhen you come here, you can get a job very quickly, and they did.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Is there still that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"large Jewish community in St. Joe?\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, unfortunately. At one point there were 300 Jewish families in\nSt. Joe and there were three congregations. [The] Orthodox, to which my family\nbelonged and where I grew up, was called Shaare Sholem, Gates of Peace. The\nConservative was called B'nai Yaacov, the Sons of Jacob, and the Temple was the\nReform, Adath Joseph, A-D-A-T-H. Adath Joseph ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is still functioning, and the\nConservative is now a combination. The Orthodox was combined with the\nConservative, and the Orthodox synagogue was torn down many, many years ago.\nIt's very, very difficult to get a rabbi who will minister to very few people.\nThe Temple has a hard time keeping a rabbi, and the Conservative congregation\nimports a rabbi a couple of times a month or for the High Holidays, however they\nwork it. There's a man who lives in Kansas City [Missouri] who's a rabbi but\nprimarily ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an educator.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Since we're in that area, let's talk about you growing up in St. Joe.\nWhat's a nice Jewish boy like you doing in St. Joe in--say--1930, when you begin\ngoing to school?\n\nSCHOENBERG: One of the things that was most interesting is the fact that this\nlarge family of mine--all my aunts and uncles--the only one who was dead was my\nUncle Israel, who died in 1924 ...I grew up with nine ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"aunts and uncles, or nine\nsets of aunts and uncles--except for Uncle Israel--and my mother and father; and\nthat family spawned 25 first cousins.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [whistles]\n\nSCHOENBERG: They ranged in age, of course--some of them are considerably older\nthan my mother--but I had first cousins that were way up there in age compared\nto my age. Because we are such a close-knit family, we all lived within spittin'\ndistance of each other on Ninth Street and Tenth Street. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We used to call it\nLokshen Boulevard and Kugel Avenue.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [chuckles]\n\nSCHOENBERG: I could walk across the street to my aunt's house, my Aunt Becky\nFishman--who was like another mother to me--and I had other relatives that lived\non Ninth Street, and some lived on Tenth Street. Uncle Henry--who finally came\nto the United States after three years in South America--had a store down near\nthe meat-packing plant. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He catered to the Poles and the Yugos and all the ethnic\ngroups that were there, working in the plant. (There's a very interesting story\nabout how he conducted his business.) He lived in South St. Joe, but all the\nrest of the family lived very close together, on those two streets. So you could\nwalk to the synagogue. We lived on Ninth Street, the synagogue was on Seventh\nStreet, so no problem. We walked to the synagogue for all the holidays. I grew\nup knowing that I was very definitely a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jew. My grandfather and grandmother were\nwonderful people. We always had seder on the first night, seder on the second\nnight. I started Hebrew school at the Talmud Torah when I was about seven years\nold and went until I was bar mitzvahed at age thirteen. I had to come directly\nfrom grade school. From grade school I had to come down on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tenth Street, where\nthe Talmud Torah was, and where the Hebrew instruction was to be given. So I was\nnot a Talmudic scholar, by any means, but I learned to read Hebrew and the\nprayers for holidays, et cetera.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You're talking about your grandmother and grandfather--this is your\nmaternal grandmother.\n\nSCHOENBERG: All my maternal family.\n\nWEINTRAUB: None from your father's family?\n\nSCHOENBERG: My father's family all remained ...eventually he got his mother and\nfather [to America], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because he served in World War I and he was a citizen. As a\nresult of his service, he was able to bring his mother [Raisel Fishman\nSchoenberg] and his father [name not given] and two brothers, two younger\nbrothers, and they all came to the United States.\n\nWEINTRAUB: To St. Joe.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, under his sponsorship. No, not to St. Joe, to New York.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Okay.\n\nSCHOENBERG: One brother in the Bronx [name not given], one brother in Brooklyn\n[name not given].\n\nWEINTRAUB: And the parents?\n\nSCHOENBERG: The grandparents, whom I visited as a small child, they stayed in\nNew York.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So you really are just talking about maternal family.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Mostly my maternal family.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes, your mother's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"side, interesting.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I have to tell you this story. Since the Schoenberg family was\nrelatively small, but it was an integral part of the overall Hochman family,\nwhenever the High Holidays came along, of course we were all in shul. My\ngrandfather--with a long white beard, who went to shul every day twice a day,\nmorning services, afternoon services--I always thought my grandfather looked\nlike God, or that God looked like my grandfather.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [chuckles]\n\nSCHOENBERG: [He was a] very stately man, very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"serene. And all of us--my\ncontemporaries, all of my generation--had to go sit with my grandfather at the\nfront of the synagogue. There was an honored place at the front of the\nsynagogue. He would go through every one of the males. Not the girls, because\nthe girls were upstairs. The women, the aunts and the grandmother, were all\nupstairs. My uncles and my father and all the males were downstairs. Every one\nof us males ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had to go sit with my grandfather for a short time, and every year\nhe would introduce [us] to his buddies who sat in the front pew.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Again, for the record, you mentioned Hochman, H-O-C-H-M-A-N, which is\nyour mother's maiden name.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's right.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [We'll] keep all that squared away for us.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Incidentally, in Russia there is no \"H\", so the name was [Goichman].\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I do genealogical research, I have to consider that possibility.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You're to be commended. I don't want to do genealogical research.\n[laughs], but I can tell you're into it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, I am.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, that's an interesting background. So you're growing up, and you\nmentioned the Talmud Torah. How about elementary school and high school? You\nwent, I assume, in St. Joe?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, across the street from where we lived on Ninth Street was a\nschool called Young School, a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grade school. I only went there one year because\nthey tore it down right after that year, but there was an interesting story\nabout that. When my mother and her siblings--and many other Jews who came from\nEurope--came to St. Joe and could only speak Yiddish--that's her language--there\nwas one woman in Young School. She was a German woman, and she could understand\nenough Yiddish to teach these kids how to speak English to go to school. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my\nmother arrived in 1909, she was seven years old. They had kids who were fifteen,\nsixteen, seventeen years [old] in the same class because that was the only place\nin the entire city where they could start getting an education. So [I went to]\nYoung School for one year. The next school was Everett Grade School, and it was\nup on Fourteenth Street, so from Ninth to Fourteenth Street. I was there through\nsix grades. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By the way, in doing my genealogical research--and writing this book\nthat I'm writing--I was able to find a fellow who had done a Master's thesis on\nall the schools in St. Joe. So I was able to go back and actually find the names\nof the teachers that I had in the first through the sixth grades. After I\nfinished sixth grade, I went to a school called Roosevelt Junior High School. It\nwas right next door, up on a hill, and it had been the original ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"high school,\nCentral High School. They had changed the name. So I went there for seventh,\neighth and ninth grades, Roosevelt Junior High School. Ninth grade has\nsignificance, and I'll talk about that a little bit later. For the tenth,\neleventh and twelfth grades, I went to Central High School and graduated there\nin 1943. Now, let me talk a little bit about Central High School. There was a\nwoman there who was the principal. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her named was Calla E. Varner, V-A-R-N-E-R.\nShe became one of the most decorated, most honored, public school principals in\nthe history of this country. Remember the \"This Is Your Life\" television program?\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: They did one on her. Ann and I were in Washington when she was\nbrought [there]. She and J. Edgar Hoover, and a couple of other people, were\nhonored as Great Living Americans at that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have an article out of\nReader's Digest [magazine] many years ago, talking about what a wonderful woman\nshe was, a real educator. She had a great deal of influence on me, as well as a\nwoman named Ruth Spangberg, who taught government, and that's another great\nstory. While I was in Central High School, I got interested in ROTC. Many of my\ncousins and other friends of the family had gone through the ROTC ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"program. I\nguess there was something in my blood that maybe came out of the fact that my\nfather had been a soldier in World War I. I had a trunk in the basement with his\nbayonet and his helmet, his gas mask and his leggings, papers and so on, some of\nwhich I still have. I guess I was very motivated, but I started thinking in\nterms of the military. The ROTC at Central High School had a very good\nreputation. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Calla Varner, the principal, was a great believer in supporting it.\nThere was a sergeant--he was a staff sergeant--who treated high school kids like\nmen. When I became a cadet captain, and company commander, I wasn't a senior in\nhigh school, I was a man, and he treated me like a man, and that was unusual.\nMost high school kids, and even below that, are treated like children. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His name\nwas Sergeant Jule McCroskey. He looked more like a general than a lot of\ngenerals that I got to know. I mean, straight, a handsome guy, every crease,\nevery shoe shined, and everything else. I used to spend Sunday\nafternoons--almost three or four hours--shining leather and brass, because\nMonday morning was inspection. I had a special pair of shoes and a special ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"black\nbelt, Sam Browne [belt]. I could only wear it on the days of inspection. The\nuniform had to be perfect, and that inspection was very important.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So [from] there you went on to college someplace?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. When I finished ROTC in 1943--I finished high school--the war\n[World War II] was on. There was no question, everybody was going to go into the\nmilitary. I was angling for an appointment to West Point, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and maybe this is a\ngood time to talk about that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: All right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: In the ninth grade, I was president of my class and the faculty\nsponsor was a man named Lewis Wallace. Lewis Wallace and I struck up a nice\nfriendship, and he knew that I was thinking about West Point. So I went from\njunior high school over to Central High School, and I was there for three years.\nBefore I graduated, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one day Lewis Wallace called my mother and father and said,\n\"I know that Irv is interested in going to West Point. I'm running for the\nMissouri state legislature, and I know that most Jews--in fact practically all\nJews in St. Joe, Missouri--are Democrats.\" My mother used to work at the polls\nat election time. She always worked, she liked to do that. My mother was very\ngregarious, a wonderful sense of humor, ability to do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"public speaking, and so\non. So Mr. Lewis Wallace says, \"May I come down and talk to you?\" He comes down\nto the house. Mother and Dad are there, and I'm there, and he says, \"I'm running\nfor the state legislature, and if you could help me with the Jewish people in\nSt. Joe, I would very much appreciate it.\" Now, let me back up. Lewis Wallace\nmarried a woman named Tekla Anderson [who] was the daughter of Leo Anderson, who\nwas the Chairman of the Republican County Committee. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lewis Wallace said, \"I will\ntalk to my father-in-law, I will talk to other people and see what I can do.\" So\nmy mother said, \"As far as I'm concerned, I am now a Republican.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: Sounds like a bribe. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: It was, it was. She and my father became Republicans. Eventually my\nmother became the vice chair of that Republican committee for the county of\nBuchanan. She eventually became the chairman of that Republican committee. I\ndon't know that she ever went around really harping on being a Republican, but\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she considered herself a Republican. Lewis Wallace did get elected to the state\nlegislature, and his wife, Tekla Anderson, was with him for many, many years. I\nused to see him periodically.\n\nWEINTRAUB: But, you've gone from the ninth grade into West Point? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, when I graduated from high school, as I told you, everybody went\ninto the military. The Army came out with a program called ASTRP, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Army\nSpecialized Training Reserve Program. It gave an examination to determine\nwhether or not you were qualified to go into a college program. The college\nprogram was to produce second lieutenants for the Corps of Engineers. So I got\naccepted into that program, and in the summer of 1943--July--I reported to Fort\nLeavenworth, Kansas, and I was inducted into The Reserves. I was given ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an ROTC\nuniform that I wore at the University of Kansas in the ASTRP program, and I took\ncollege courses in math and English, basic freshman courses. The objective was\nto determine whether or not you were qualified to go on and get a degree in\nengineering. After six months--from July to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"December--I got a letter from the\nArmy saying that I was a first alternate [to West Point]. Leo Anderson had\ncalled a newly-elected Republican congressman by the name of Bill Cole, C-O-L-E,\nand said to him, \"There's a Jewish boy in your constituency. I want you to\nconsider him for a nomination to West Point.\" So I got first alternate\nnomination. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My principal nominated me. In my group was a fellow named Carl Meyer\nJr., M-E-Y-E-R. His father was the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of a business\nthat inoculated pigs, cattle, all kinds of animals. Carl Meyer, a very wealthy\nman, had given a lot of money to the Republican ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"committee--the Republican\ncampaign--and Bill Cole got elected. He defeated a man named Dick Duncan. That's\nanother part of the story. Bill Cole called me up to his office one day and\nsaid, \"I'm nominating you as a first alternate.\" Dick Duncan was a judge, and\neventually became a congressman. His ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"law partner was a Jewish man by the name of\nLouis Kranitz. My family and I had known the Kranitz family, I grew up with\nseveral of the kids in the family, so they were very well known to me. My mother\nand father called Lou Kranitz and said, \"Could you get us an appointment with\nDick Duncan to talk about the possibility of Irving going to West Point?\" So\nLouis Kranitz got us an appointment with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dick Duncan. My mother and father went,\nI didn't go. This is one of the reasons I decided to write a thesis on the point\nsystem in the service academy.\n\nWEINTRAUB: That's why you know so well. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. So my mother and father go see Dick Duncan, and Dick Duncan\nsays, \"Well, you have a very fine son, and I think a lot of him. However, he has\nto get two years of college. So you have him get two years of college and come\nback and see me.\" In 1943 you couldn't get two years of college. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were either\n4-F or something [else], you had to go into the military. So that was the\nbrush-off, what he was doing was telling my mother and father to get lost. It\nwasn't until Bill Cole got elected as a Republican--defeating Dick Duncan--that\nmy family was able to do something. So I got the first alternate. Carl Meyer Jr.\nwas sent to a prep school on the Hudson River, Cornwall-on-the-Hudson. There\nwere ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"33 young men competing for an appointment to West Point, and all 33 had\nprincipal nominations. All they had to do was pass the exams--physical,\naptitude, and mental--take the exams and pass. Thirty-three of them there; 32 of\nthem got in, Carl Meyer, Jr. didn't get in. I got in. Why he didn't get in, I've\nnever been able to determine. His father wanted him to go to West Point, I'm not\nsure that Carl Meyer, Jr. really wanted to go. But for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three years he got the\nprincipal nomination, and for three years in a row he didn't go. First I went,\nand then another friend of mine from St. Joe went, and a third friend of mine\nfrom St. Joe went. So there's politics there.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Oh, yes, yes. Well, that's an interesting story of how you ended up\nat West Point.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So the Army sent me a letter that said \"you have an alternate\nappointment, and we've established a West Point prep school at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cornell\nUniversity, Ithaca, New York. If you would like to go to that, go down to Fort\nLeavenworth and get sworn into the Army of the United States (AUS), and then\nreport to Cornell University.\" So I did. I got there in January of 1944, and I\nwas there until June of 1944, when I got word from the congressman's office that\nCarl Meyer, Jr. did not pass and that I was going to West Point. They gave me\ntwo weeks' leave and I went home. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I reported to West Point on the 1st of July, 1944.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Good. Let me go back to your education in St. Joe. You mentioned the\nTalmud Torah, and others. How many Jewish students were in a class like that? It\nwas a small ...would you say 300 families?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Jewish families? Probably about. I've got a wonderful picture of the\nkids ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the time that I was there, probably about 40 to 50.\n\nWEINTRAUB: That's all age groups?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, but unfortunately it was not very well run. You were in the\nfirst grade with the second grade, or maybe the third grade, the entire time you\nwere there. It was just repeat, repeat, repeat, learning to read the prayers in\nHebrew and knowing about the holidays, and going to the bar mitzvahs. All of us\nhad to do that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: That was at the Orthodox congregation.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That was Orthodox.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: You also said at that time there was a Conservative and Reform [congregation].\n\nSCHOENBERG: There were some Jewish kids who were in the Conservative\ncongregation, not necessarily from the Orthodox [congregation], but who also\nwent to Talmud Torah. I can't think of anybody who was in the Reform Temple who\nwent to Hebrew school.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Was there also that clear a divide socially?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Very definite divide, a very noticeable divide. I belonged to a high\nschool fraternity, which was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"composed of kids from all of the congregations. So\nthere was no distinction whether you were at the Temple or B'nai Yaacov or\nShaare Sholem. We were guys that all got along. It was a little bit too\nselective, it was almost elitist, because it was a national fraternity called Pi\nUpsilon Pi (PUPs). It became Pi Tau Pi.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Was this only for Jewish high school students?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, Jewish high school.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I'm not familiar with that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Some of my best friends--Elliot Spar, Gene Sembler, Ted Vegder--were\nnot invited to join the fraternity. They were invited to join AZA, and they did\njoin AZA. It was never a very comfortable feeling. We were all Boy Scouts in a\nJewish troop.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Sponsored by which organization?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I don't know. They were just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"volunteers--I think they had support\nfrom all three, but nobody specifically said, \"We give our support.\" We used to\nmeet in a very interesting place. When the immigrants started coming to St. Joe,\nthey had a settlement house. There were settlement houses all over, there was a\nsettlement house in my hometown across the street from the B'nai Yaacov\nsynagogue. My aunt and uncle, the Vegders [Samuel and Mollie (Hochman) Vegder],\nhad a grocery store practically next door. Then, down a hill but on the same\nproperty, was a hut and that was the Boy Scout hut. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's where we had our Boy\nScout meetings. The fellow who was the scoutmaster, a fellow named Jack\nZurow--still living, 93 - 94 years old in a home in St. Joe, Missouri, where one\nof my cousins lives--was a very great influence. I mean, they got the word\nacross, we were good Boy Scouts.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So let me just clarify, you say the family is no longer in St. Joe\nexcept one cousin?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I have one first cousin and his wife. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stanley Fishman, who was the\nson of Chaim Fishman and Becky Fishman. My father [Morris Schoenberg] was\nmarried to one of the sisters [Mary Hochman] and Stanley's father [Chaim\nFishman] was married to another sister [Rebecca Hochman]--so we were doubly\nrelated. Stanley Fishman was two years older than I was. He was the guy who got\nme into the fraternity.\n\nWEINTRAUB: There seems to be both a cohesive Jewish community and a break at the\nsame time. It's a little strange.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Everybody got along well, they just didn't socialize. If you had a\nwedding, there might be some people from the Reform [congregation], but most of\nthem would be in the Orthodox [congregation] or Conservative [congregation]. It\nwasn't a difficult time, but it was definitely known. The German Jews belonged\nto the Temple, and the Eastern European Jews belonged to the synagogue.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, that's an interesting background of growing up.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Oh, yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: We got you all the way to West Point, in about forty minutes. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: In 1943, when I got word that I was going to be appointed to West\nPoint, I ran into what I called the Cossack mentality. You know who the Cossacks were.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: My parents grew up under them, all of my aunts and uncles grew up\nunder that influence. They still remembered the pogroms. They all knew what\n\"Living in the Pale\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"meant and how Jews were very much ostracized. As soon as I\ngot word that I was going to West Point, friends of my mother and father--older\nJewish women--came up to me and said, \"Oh, you're going to West Point?\" and I\nsaid, \"Yes.\" They said, \"Well, they don't let Jews graduate from West Point, so\ndon't be disappointed. If you go there, they have to let you in, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're not\ngoing to graduate, so don't get disappointed.\" That's what I call the Cossack\nmentality. I came back after my first year at West Point, and this same\ngroup--older Jewish people who knew my parents--asked, \"You still there?\" \"Yes,\nI'm still there. Finished my first year.\" \"Hmm. Well, probably they'll let you\nstay two years out of the four. Don't expect to graduate.\" Came home after my\nsecond year; the same thing. \"You still there?\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the end of four years, I came\nhome as a second lieutenant, and one of the first questions I got was, \"When are\nyou getting out?\" [laughs]\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs] Jews don't stay in the military.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Jews don't stay in the military. \"When are you getting out?\" The\nother thing that was funny was when I showed up in the summertime with my white\nuniform on, [people asked], \"Ah, how do you like the Naval Academy?\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: \"I like the Naval Academy, but I go to West Point.\" [They are] so\nfar removed from reality, in many of those older Jewish families, it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just is amazing.\n\nWEINTRAUB: This is Marvin Weintraub interviewing Irving Schoenberg. It's still\nJuly 7th, 2005, and this is tape two. We were talking about West Point, Irv, and\nyou were telling me Jews don't go to West Point, (chuckles) according to\neveryone in St. Joe. At least they never graduate. You obviously graduated.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I did graduate.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Tell me about four years at West Point as a Jew.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, let me tell you first that, there have always been Jews at\nWest Point, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always. I can't prove that every year there was a Jew at West Point,\nbut generally speaking there were always Jews at West Point. A book is being\nwritten about the Jews at West Point by a fellow named [Lewis] \"Lew\" Zickel, who\nused to live here in Atlanta, Georgia, graduated in the class of 1949. He and I\ntalked about this on a trip to Russia, that he'd taken on the job. He lives in\nDobbs Ferry, across the [Hudson] river, not too far from West Point. [He] is\nvery active in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cadet Jewish Chapel--there's a very active Jewish chapel at\nWest Point. So there've always been Jews at West Point. Mickey Marcus, for\nexample--who fought in the War of Independence for Israel--the Class of 1927 or\n1928. When I entered West Point in 1944, a very unusual thing happened, and I\nhave written a paper called \"The Turning Point at West Point.\" Let me back up a\nlittle bit. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I say there were a lot of people in the military in 1943, during the\nwar, of course. You were either drafted or enlisted or whatnot. Well, there were\nabout 12 million people in uniform, and a large portion of those were in the\nArmy. In 1943 the Army put out a battalion-level message--it went down to all\nbattalion commanders--and said, \"You look at your people. If you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have men in\nyour outfit who you think are qualified as officers, who could compete for an\nappointment at West Point, we want to know who they are.\" [They] had to not have\nreached their 22nd birthday by the 1st of July, 1944. So out of the 12 million\npeople--or whatever number was in the Army--they started screening, and they\npicked 400 to go to Amherst College to further compete for the appointment. Out\nof the 400 at Amherst College, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for about six months--or however long they were\nthere--they selected 120 to go to West Point. Do you know what percentage of\nthem were Jews? Damn near 50 percent of the 120, and that group of Jews were my\nclassmates entering on the 1st of July, 1944. [It was] the largest number of\nJews ever to enter the academy. There were two classes already at West Point,\nthe Class of 1945 and the Class of 1946. We were the Class of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1947. Alan Gould,\none of our good friends, was my classmate. [Bernard] \"Bernie\" Abrams was one of\nmy classmates in that group. Bernie and Alan and I got congressional\nappointments. Those others, who were at Amherst, got appointments directly from\nthe Army. Here we are, the largest group of Jews ever to enter West Point, [and\nthere are] mandatory chapel services every Sunday morning. The great big\nProtestant chapel up on the top of the hill, the Catholic chapel down ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"below on\nthe plain level, but no Jewish chapel. Where did you have Jewish services? In\nthe movie theater. The rabbi would come down from Poughkeepsie [New York] or\nNewburgh [New York] or someplace, and he'd run the service, and then we'd go\nhave breakfast in the dining hall. The authorities realized, \"Hey, we've got a\nbunch of Jews here. Let's give them their own chapel. The Catholics have one,\nthe Protestants have one, the Jews ought to have a chapel.\" So we got the oldest\nchapel on West Point, which is in the cemetery-- where Mickey Marcus is\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"buried--and that's where we began having services. There's a plaque on the wall\nin the old Jewish chapel that has the dates of birth and death, but no name.\nIt's Benedict Arnold's plaque, the traitor. Everybody has to see that one at\nWest Point. So for four years, we had Jewish services at the old cadet chapel.\nYour first year at West Point you go through basic training, it's called \"beast\nbarracks.\" Bernie Abrams and Alan Gould ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I were all in the same new cadet\ncompany, Company 6, and that's where we became friends for the first time [in]\n1944. I've written a thing called \"The Tale of Three Cadets,\" about how our\nlives intertwined and crossed many times, and they have.\n\nWEINTRAUB: To jump ahead, that's how you ended up in Atlanta.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's exactly right.\n\nWEINTRAUB: But we'll get to that later.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: For the first year we went through beast barracks, and the fact that\nI'd had a year in the military already didn't hurt me a bit, in fact, it helped\nme. I found that I had a lot of Jewish classmates. [Richard] \"Dick\" Littlestone\nwas one of my roommates. Bernie and Alan were both in the same company, I'd say\nthe first year or first two years at the academy. We went to services every\nSunday morning--cadet services--they didn't have a chaplain. It was on a\ntemporary basis.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Sounds like a Reform ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"congregation. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: So I went through my first year with no serious results and managed\nto get through plebe year. Went into my second year and had to fight pretty hard\nto stay up with academics because it was tough--they put you through the\npaces--but I got through that okay. Then, in 1945 the war ended. I had been at\nWest Point about two years when ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the war ended. The Army decided that instead of\na three-year curriculum--when I entered in 1944 I was to graduate in 1947--they\ndecided they were going to go back to a four-year curriculum. In order to do\nthat, my class had to be split in half, with half to graduate in 1947 and half\nto graduate in 1948. They did it primarily on the basis of age. Bernie Abrams\nand Alan Gould were both six to eight months older than I was, so they got in\nthe upper half of the class and they graduated in three years. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was five from\nthe middle because of my birthday, so I was put in the four-year class.\nSurprisingly, a lot of my classmates who, by age could have been in the\nthree-year class, opted to go for the fourth year at West Point. I think most of\nthem are glad they did it. If you look at the record of the two classes--I just\nfound this out when I went up to our fifty-fifth reunion--there were more\ngeneral officers in our Class of 1948 than there were in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Class of 1947.\nSeveral of my classmates made four stars, and a lot of them made three stars. So\nit was interesting to see that. The Naval Academy did the same thing, they broke\nup their Class of 1947 into two classes. They called them the Class of 1948A and\nthe Class of 1948B. I met my wife, Ann, through a member of the Class of\n1948B--[Richard] \"Dick\" Rubinstein, from the Naval Academy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: How'd you get hooked up with the Naval Academy?\n\nSCHOENBERG: He [Dick] was from Kansas City, Missouri, and my wife's from Kansas City.\n\nWEINTRAUB: All right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: We were at Operation Camid, cadet midshipmen amphibious maneuvers,\nat Little Creek, Virginia. It convinced me I never wanted to go in the Navy. So,\nat the end of the two years, the class had split. I became the Class of 1948 and\nAlan and Bernie became Class of 1947--with, of course--a lot of other people.\nThey ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"graduated in 1947, and I stayed for the fourth year.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Let's go on, then. So, you got four years in and you're now a Second Lieutenant.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. In September of 1947, the Defense Act of 1947 created the U.S.\nAir Force. There was no Air Force academy, so the Air Force said, \"Hey, we want\ngraduates of the academy [West Point] to be officers in the Air Force. How about\nyou, West Point, giving us 40 percent of your class of 1948, to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commission them\nin the United States Air Force?\" That's what they did, and I opted to go into\nthe Air Force.\n\nWEINTRAUB: That was a bright move, Irv. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Very bright. At the time, I really wanted to fly. We had been given\nsome flying training up at Stewart Field in New York, and I took to it fairly\nwell and decided I wanted to fly in the Air Force. When I took my physical exam\nat the end of four years, they said, \"Your eyes are a little bit off, but if you\nget ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out away from the books, there's a chance they'll come back and you'll be\nable to pass.\" So I said, \"Okay, I'll go in the Air Force and I'll take the exam\na little bit later and see if I can get in.\" I took the exam five times, and\nnever passed the eye exam. At one point, when I was stationed out of Barksdale\nAir Force Base [Bossier Parish, Louisiana] and I was working for Major\nCaffarelli. He was a good-looking guy, and he was the Base Adjutant; I was\nAssistant Base Adjutant. He said, \"I just got your Form 88.\" --the results of\nthe physical exam--and he said, \"You've been disqualified because of your eyes.\"\nI said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Well, I was afraid so.\" He said, \"But I'm going to sign off on it and\nsay you are qualified.\" I said, \"Hot dog! (claps) I'm gonna go fly.\" Well, I\nwent home that night, and I had a terrible dream. I dreamt that I was flying a\nvery large airplane with about a hundred people, and I couldn't see the runway,\nand we crashed. The next morning, I went back to the major and I said, \"Sir, I\nappreciate what you're trying to do, but the honor system tells me that you\nshouldn't do that, and I don't think I want to go through with that.\" He told me\nI could go to navigator training, and I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"No, if I can't fly it, I don't\nwant to sit through that.\" So, that's how I got in the Air Force.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Got in the Air Force, never flew.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Not as a pilot.\n\nWEINTRAUB: As a navigator, but you didn't go to navigator school?\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, I came close to flying at one point. After I'd been at Smoke\nHill Air Force Base, Salina, Kansas--my first duty station--I was in the\nmaintenance and supply group. I was Squadron Adjutant of the supply squadron. I\nwas home, and I had an apartment downtown, which I shared with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"another officer.\nGot a telephone call from the major, who was my group commander, and he says,\n\"Schoenberg, how'd you like to go to ECM school?\" I said, \"I'm not really\ninterested in that, sir. I'll be in the Air Force, but that's not my thing.\" He\nsaid, \"Well, I got bad news for you.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: He said, \"There are five bachelors in the group...\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: Goddammit. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: \"...and we drew names out of a hat, and you are the one.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now,\nnormally that request was put in by one of the bomb squadrons, 301st Bomb Wing,\nbut they were all on temporary duty. General [Curtis E.] LeMay kept them\noverseas a hell of a lot, and the guys that were supposed to go to fill that\nquota were not available. So somebody had to go from Smoky Hill, so I got\nselected. I said, \"Okay, Major, when do I have to go?\" He said, \"Tomorrow.\" I\nsaid, \"Tomorrow??\" He said, \"Yes, tomorrow, because ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you've got to start class\nthe day after tomorrow.\" I said, \"Sir, what am I going to do with all of my\nbelongings? Not that I have a lot, but I do have some, and I have an\nautomobile.\" I had to go to Keesler Air Force Base [Biloxi, Mississippi]. He\nsaid, \"We'll fly you down to Keesler, and then we'll come and get you a week\nlater and bring you back. You can get all your stuff, put it in your car, and\nyou can go back down to Keesler.\" \"Yes, sir,\" I said, \"That's an order?\" He\nsaid, \"Yes, that's an order.\" I said, \"Okay.\" So the next morning I go down to\nthe squad room, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Captain Arlo Anderson--who was my squadron commander--comes\nin to sign the morning report. He was so busy with supply squadron, running all\nthe warehouses and commissary and everything else, he was hardly ever in the\nsquadron. I ran the squadron. He came in and signed the morning report, and then\nhe left. So he comes in this particular morning, and I said, \"You know, Captain\nAnderson, I'm leaving.\" He said, \"You're what??\" I said, \"I've been told I'm\ngoing to school.\" He said, \"Well, nobody told me.\" And I said, \"Well, I'm sorry,\nsir, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's the way it is. I've already started packing, and I'm supposed to\nleave today.\" He said, \"Come with me.\" So we go up to wing headquarters,\nLieutenant Colonel Beshard. Anderson--a real nice guy--goes in. He says,\n\"Colonel Beshard, you take Schoenberg away from me, I can't run this squadron. I\ndon't have anybody. You can't do that.\" Beshard says, \"Well, I'm sorry, Arlo,\nbut we've got to send somebody.\" And fate stepped in. There was a Sergeant\nLoeb--who looked like a Sergeant Loeb--a little ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"short guy. I don't know whether\nhe was Jewish or not, but he was a Master Sergeant, the highest ranking they\nhad. He was the Sergeant Major in the personnel office, and he heard the\nconversation through our very thin doors. As he's listening, a major walks in,\nreporting for duty from Keesler Air Force Base. He hears the conversation and he\nsays to Sergeant Loeb, \"I'll go down to Keesler. My wife and kids are still in a\nhouse down there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll join that class.\" So Sergeant Loeb gets up from his desk\nand he goes and says, \"Colonel Beshard, I've got somebody to send down to\nKeesler.\" Then he says, \"Schoenberg, get the hell back to work.\" [laughs]\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs] So you never got...\n\nSCHOENBERG: I never got there.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, that shows the power of an NCO, doesn't it? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: It sure does.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, that's a good story.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So that's the closest I ever came to flying as a regular officer.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Good, well, I thought you'd flown for a while.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Nope, I wanted to.\n\nWEINTRAUB: It also says you're a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bachelor at this time ...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...and you made reference to meeting your future wife through the Navy.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. That didn't come until some years later. I was a bachelor for\neight years.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, you were a bachelor longer than that, [laughs] while you were\nin the military, eight years. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, well, when I graduated, I didn't get married. I graduated in\n1948 and got married in 1957.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Okay.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Smoky Hill Air Force Base in the squadron.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Where is Smoky Hill Air Force Base?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Kansas. It became Schilling Air Force Base, they changed the name.\nRemember, [David C.] Schilling was a hotshot fighter pilot. We got word that the\nbase was being closed and that the entire wing was being moved down to Barksdale\nAir Force Base, Shreveport, Louisiana. So we left in November of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1949, and went\ndown to Barksdale, and who did I run into, but Alan Gould! He was with the 91st\nStrategic Reconnaissance Wing, and they had been stationed at McGuire Air Force\nBase [Burlington County, New Jersey]. In the consolidation, they brought the\n91st down, and the 301st combined into one unit under the Fourth Air Division.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: Now, just for the tape, all you people listening to this, you're\ngoing to have to look up all this stuff. We're not getting into real background.\nGo ahead, Irv.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So, got down to Barksdale Air Force Base, and not too long after\nthat I got promoted to First Lieutenant, and I got selected to be the Assistant\nBase Adjutant. I left the supply squadron and went to the base. I had been\nworking on the base a year or so when there was a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quota for an administrative\nofficer to go to Okinawa [Japan] for the Korean War. I figured--I'd seen friends\nof mine being called up--I said, \"It's about my time,\" so I volunteered, and I\nsaid, \"I'll go.\" I didn't know where I was going at first, but they told me I\nwas going to Okinawa to join the 307th Bomb Wing. The 307th came out of MacDill\nAir Force Base, [Tampa] Florida. They had been taking people on temporary duty\nto fill up the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"slots of this 307th, which was stationed over at Kadena Air Base\nin Okinawa. So I checked out of Barksdale Air Force Base. By the way, I had a\nvery interesting career in Shreveport, as a bachelor. They had a Holiday in\nDixie thing and they needed escorts for the beautiful girls. I had some\nexperience doing that, so that was fun. And I joined the [Shreveport] Little\nTheater. I did several shows with the Little Theater [in the Marjorie Lyons\nPlayhouse] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at Centenary College [of Louisiana]. So I report to Camp Stoneman,\nPittsburg, California, to be shipped overseas. Eventually they called my name,\nand I went out to Japan, stayed there a couple of days, and then went to\nOkinawa. Let me back up. I met a young lady ...Dick Rubinstein, who had become\nmy good friend--Naval Academy, same year I graduated--we had met on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Operation\nCamid, the amphibious maneuvers. His family is from Kansas City [Kansas], and\nover the years, my family had adopted Dick, and Dick's family had adopted me. So\n\"Aunt Fan\" [Rubinstein] and \"Uncle Leo\" [Rubinstein], Dick's parents, were very\nwell known to me. When I got orders to go to the Pacific, and I had a couple of\nweeks' leave, I was in Kansas City and I stopped in to see Dick's parents. Dick,\nby the way, had been called back out to active duty. He had gotten out of the\nNavy because his father had a stroke. They were in the bottling business--they\ndid ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Squirt and all kinds of soft drinks--and he had to go back to help his\nfather in the business. So he got a compassionate discharge from the Navy, just\na year or so after he graduated from the Naval Academy.\n\nWEINTRAUB: What year was this?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I think he got called back in 1950, when the [Korean] War broke out,\nso he'd been out two years. He was now assigned to an aircraft carrier out in\nthe Pacific, the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[USS] Bon Homme Richard. So I stopped in to see his mother and\nfather, and Aunt Fan and Uncle Leo said, \"Hey, if you're going to California, we\nhave relatives in California--the Risskins--and you want to meet them because\nthey have a daughter that you would like very much, Cathy Riskin.\" So I made a\npoint of doing something about that. When I got to Camp Stoneman, I had a first\ncousin living in San Francisco, and I got in touch with him and his wife. But I\nalso got ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in touch with the Riskins, and the daughter certainly was a very\nattractive young lady, who was at Stanford University, co-ed at Stanford. I get\nto Okinawa, and I'm assigned as the Assistant Wing Inspector General (IG). We\nhad a real mess going on. People ended up over there without pay records,\nwithout personnel records, our tech order library was practically ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nonexistent,\nand we had damn good aircraft mechanics, and sergeants, who were literally\noperating from memory; they didn't have any documents. But we managed to get\nthrough that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: And Curt LeMay let that go on? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: We were working hard to get it straightened out, but it took a\nwhile. One of my interesting duties as Assistant IG was to interview young\nairmen who were applying for marriage, who wanted to get married. There was a\nlittle village outside of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the air base, Kadena Air Base, called Koza, K-O-Z-A. A\nbunch of \"nasongs\"--native Okinawan girls--not bad looking, not bad at all...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Brings a smile to your face.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. As we always used to say, \"When I arrived in Okinawa, I looked\nover the railing of the ship, and saw these very short, dark nasongs. Six or\neight months later, when we left, I looked over the rail and saw those tall,\nblonde, good-looking gals.\" [laughs] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would have these young airmen come in for\nan interview. They'd want to make an application to get married. My routine was,\n\"Well, we have 20th Air Force regulations, Far East Air Force regulations, U.S.\nImmigration and Naturalization regulations, and SAC [Strategic Air Command]\nregulations. A lot of paperwork.\" He [the soldier] said, \"Yes, sir.\" I said,\n\"How long have you been here?\" He said, \"Almost four months, sir.\" I said,\n\"You're on your six months TDY [temporary tour of duty]?\" He said, \"Yes, sir.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shall I start filling out the papers now?\" I said, \"Whenever you want to, just\ncome on in and we'll start filling out the papers. But, you're going to have to\nextend your tour at least three months more. So if you've got four months,\nyou're going to have to go at least for seven.\" Did they ever come back? Never.\nThe whole purpose was to discourage them from doing it, and that worked. But, I\nhad some very interesting experiences as the Inspector General.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I didn't know the IG was in the matrimonial business ...[laughs]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: I didn't either. [chuckles]\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...or lack of.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, I didn't either, but that's who handled it. You would have\nthought the personnel office [would have done it], but they assigned it to the\nIG's office, and I did it. I worked for two very interesting lieutenant\ncolonels: [Lieutenant Colonel] George Sutling and [Lieutenant Colonel] Thomas\nHoyle Jackson Fowler from North Carolina. Good men.\n\nWEINTRAUB: But Ann wasn't in this group ...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, no, no ...\n\nWEINTRAUB: We're trying to get to Ann. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay, back to Okinawa. I lived in a Quonset hut. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was the only\nunmarried officer in the Quonset hut. I was giving up my quarters allowance\nbecause the other married guys were getting their quarters allowance. There were\nsix of us in a Quonset hut. You had to have a box with an electric light bulb on\nall the time because the mold and the humidity over there is terrible. A pair of\nshoes would be gone in a month, be absolutely gone. So I started writing to\nCathy Riskin.\n\nWEINTRAUB: All right, that name is familiar, you mentioned her.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: I had a very nice picture of her on my desk, and I began writing,\nand she wrote back, and I thought that there was something there. Now, this is a\ncousin of Dick Rubinstein. Near the end of my temporary duty--which ended up\nbeing about seven months--word came out from Headquarters USAF [United States\nAir Force] they were looking for instructors for the ROTC program, the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college\nlevel ROTC program. I found out I'd been promoted to captain ...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah!\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...by reading the Air Force Times. I never saw an official piece of\npaper until I started looking for it. I found out by reading the Air Force Times\nI'd been promoted. That was interesting, because one of the officers that was at\nBarksdale Air Force Base with me had written on my OER [Officer Effectiveness\nReport] that \"Lieutenant Schoenberg is a typical West Pointer.\"\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: It looked bad, and the thing went up to the colonel. Colonel\nRobinson was the base commander and he called me in one day. He said, \"Have you\nhad trouble with Captain Farley?\" I said, \"No, we were down at \"Air Tac\" [Air\nCorps Tactical School] together, and I thought he was a good friend of mine.\" He\nsaid, \"Well, he wrote something that's not very good for your OER.\" He said,\n\"I'm not endorsing it. I'm overriding it.\" It was on that basis that I got\npromoted to captain. [laughs] Anyway, I was writing to Cathy, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the word comes\ndown from Headquarters USAF [that] they're looking for ROTC instructors, and I\nfigured with her at Stanford, this is a pretty damn good opportunity. I knew I\nwasn't going to get promoted to major for several years, and it was an\nopportunity to get a master's degree. And I always believed in [the] ROTC\nprogram because...\n\nWEINTRAUB: You went through it in high school.\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...I went through it in high school, and I believed in it. I had\nvery good training, and I was impressed with the way they did that.\nIncidentally, one day while I was in the ROTC program ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in high school, the Army\ncame in and took our 1903 rifles [M1903 Springfield rifle] away from us to send\nthem out to the people in the field, shooting with weapons made out of wood,\nbroom sticks typically. So I applied for ROTC duty, and on the application it\nsays, \"Where would you like to go?\" So I said, \"Stanford University, University\nof Southern California, UCLA\"--any school on the West Coast. I got the\nUniversity of Maryland.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: [laughs] That was a long way away.\n\nSCHOENBERG: A long way away.\n\nWEINTRAUB: That sounds like a typical military act.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So I came back from Okinawa, I landed in California, and I had a\ncouple of weeks' leave before I had to report to ROTC. The first thing I did was\nget in touch with the Riskins and let Cathy know I was back. She said, \"How'd\nyou like to go down to Palo Alto [California] and see Stanford University?\" \"Oh,\nyes, that'd be great.\" So she drives down in her car, and we stop in front of a\nfraternity house. She honks ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the horn, and out comes this very good-looking,\ntall, blonde fraternity man. I find out later that his name is [James] \"Jim\"\nGraham, and he and Cathy are semi-engaged.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah, okay.\n\nSCHOENBERG: So that put the kibosh...\n\nWEINTRAUB: There went Cathy.\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...there went Cathy. However, Mr. and Mrs. Riskin--\"Nat\" and\nRosalie--thought great things about me, and I think they were really\ndisappointed. Jim Graham was not Jewish, and it ended up as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a bad marriage.\n[They had] two sons, [he had a] Ph.D., and ran away with one of his graduate\nstudents, and the wife of another faculty member at Purdue University. Bad\nstory. I get to ROTC at the University of Maryland--College Park, Maryland--and\nI get assigned to teach freshmen and sophomores. The curriculum included a\ncourse in international ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"relations--geopolitics--and there was a colonel from\nWest Point who was head of that department. His name was Bucullough [pronounced\nBYU-kuh-luh]. He had quite a reputation in the academic world, and he instituted\nthat. He felt that ROTC people needed to have that kind of background. So we had\na textbook that had a chapter on France and one on Germany and one on\nCzechoslovakia, and I was teaching that course. I also signed up to get a\nmaster's degree in international affairs. I had a letter from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colonel Bucullough\nto get into graduate school, so I got into graduate school. I ended up getting a\nmaster's degree in international affairs, taking courses at night. After I'd\nfinished six hours, I decided that Georgetown University had a really\noutstanding school in international affairs. So I asked to transfer, and I\ntransferred over. The first two semesters I had to take a course in political\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"philosophy. I had to read ten books by Immanuel Kant and Immanuel Hermann Fichte\nand all those guys. It was really hard going, but I passed with colors, I have\nto say. Then they told me that the next courses I had to take were catechisms,\nthe Catholic dogma. I had to take two semesters of Catholic dogma. I said, \"Hey,\nI'm Jewish, I'm not going to take Catholic [dogma classes].\" They said, \"I'm\nsorry, that's a requirement.\" So I said, \"Bye.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went back to the University of\nMaryland, and I finished my master's there. [laughs]\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs] Yes. We're still getting ahead, Irv. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay ...oh, this is a very important part of my life. I got a call\none day from the Air Force aide to the President of the United States. They\nwanted me to come over for an interview [because I was a] bachelor, assigned to\nthe Washington area. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"We're looking for a White House aide.\" There were seven\nAir Force, seven Army, five Navy, and two Marines--21 all together--social aides\nat the White House under President [Dwight D.] Eisenhower. I went over for the\ninterview, I got selected, I came back to teach at the University of Maryland.\nOn Christmas leave from University of Maryland, I went back to Kansas City--St.\nJoe, Missouri--Kansas City, and went to see Dick [Rubinstein] and his wife. By\nthis time he's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married and has a couple of kids. I had dinner at his house,\nstayed at his house, double-dated with a woman that lived nearby. Then I said,\n\"You know, I've got to come back through Kansas City to go back to Washington\n[DC] for New Year's. I've got a date in Washington, D.C.\" The airport in Kansas\nCity is where you flew from--St. Joe doesn't have an airport--so my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dad drove me\ninto Kansas City. I was going to spend the night with Dick and his wife. Dick is\ngoing to pick me up downtown, and he says, \"We've changed plans.\" [Aunt] Fan and\n[Uncle] Leo have decided they're going to have dinner at their house, and Dick's\nsister Audrey and her husband George--who was a doctor--and [Dick's] cousin from\nWellesley College is in from college. She's gonna be there. Well, the story is\nthat Ann is told she will ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go to dinner at Aunt Fan and Uncle Leo's, and if she\nhad a date that night, that's too bad, she had to break it. She couldn't have a\ncar because my mother-in-law- and father-in-law-to-be were going to use the car.\nThey would drive her over to Aunt Fan and Uncle Leo's to meet with \"the young\npeople.\" The youngest person, other than Ann, was her cousin Audrey--who was\nabout eight years older than she was--and this man that they were talking about,\nwho was a friend of Dick's. He was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to be there at dinner, too. That's\nwhere we met. We met at Aunt Fan and Uncle Leo's, and would you believe that I\nproposed to her that night?\n\nWEINTRAUB: Good. Did you keep your appointment in Washington? Honorable.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Honorable.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You proposed to her after meeting her for how long--six hours, five hours?\n\nSCHOENBERG: A very large snowstorm happened ...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Uh-huh! [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: We had gone back to Dick and Jean's house--all of us, everybody from\nthe dinner party--because one of Dick's kids had a bad cold or something. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we\nall went back there, and Aunt Fan and Uncle Leo said, \"C'mon, we'll take you\nhome, Ann.\" It was early in the evening, and I said, \"If Dick will lend me his\ncar, I'll take her home.\" He said okay, so Aunt Fan and Uncle Leo left. Ann and\nI, and Dick and Jean, and Audrey and George, are still there talking by the\nfireplace. Then everybody decides it's time to go home and I'm going to take Ann\nback to her house. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I took her back to her house, I said goodnight to her, and I\nsaid, \"I really want to see you again.\" She said okay--she was at Wellesley\nCollege up in Massachusetts. I went outside and the snowfall is coming down in\nbig chunks. I turn the ignition and this new Chevrolet [car], that Dick had\ngiven me to use, wouldn't start. [There was] a slight downhill on the driveway,\nand I let it coast [claps], tried to kick it in, nothing. So I went back [raps\ntable twice], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knocked on the door and said, \"We've got to call AA.\" Ann said\nokay and called AAA. I said \"How long is it going to be?\" They said, \"Three\nhours.\" So for the next three hours, Ann and I talked, and that's when I proposed.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Nice. All that in five hours, then?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. So I got back to the airport about seven o'clock in the\nmorning, and I called her. I woke her up, [laughs] she's never forgiven me for\nthat, either.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: I guess that was 1954, and I went back in 1955, we officially got\nengaged in 1955, and got married in 1956--because of Dick Rubinstein! I never\nwould have met her except for the Naval Academy.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes. Well, why don't we leave it here, now, Irv? You're married...\n\nSCHOENBERG: All right.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...we'll pick this marriage up--and how you got to Atlanta, and what\nyou've been doing here--next time.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And we have to talk about the White House aide business.\n\nWEINTRAUB: All right, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do you want to talk about that right now? We've got a few\nminutes on the tape.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So, you become a White House aide because somebody picks you out of a\nhat. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: I don't know, I really don't know how they got my name. I guess they\nwent to The Pentagon and said, \"We need a bachelor.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: A bachelor, yes, because you need escorts, as part of it.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, it's what you do in the White House. So somehow or other, my\nname popped out as a bachelor assigned in the Washington [DC] area. I'm sure\nthat my record was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty good or they wouldn't have bothered with me, and\nthat's how I got selected. A fellow named Lieutenant Colonel William C. Draper\nwas the Air Force presidential aide. There was a Naval aide, and there was an\nArmy aide, and each was responsible for selecting the ones representing their\nservice. When you're a White House aide, you are top of the heap in the social\nlist--and they always need escorts for the regattas, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and for the balls, the DAR\n[Daughters of the American Revolution] ball--and I got called to all these\nthings. I got so many invitations that sometimes, during the Christmas holidays,\nI had to stay home and write official thank-you notes, so I couldn't come. I had\nso many invitations, I just couldn't do it all.\n\nWEINTRAUB: What year was this, again?\n\nSCHOENBERG: 1954.\n\nWEINTRAUB: This is the same year you proposed to your future bride.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, that was an unofficial proposal.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: [laughs] The official proposal came later, yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I served in the\nCherry Blossom Festival. White House aides always got involved in the Cherry\nBlossom Festival--it was good duty--banquets and balls and all kinds of things.\nI think one of the most interesting things was that every Christmas ...I've got\na couple of paintings that I'll show you, that President Eisenhower did. He was\na painter, he got inspired by [Winston] Churchill to start painting. Every year\nat about Christmastime, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the White House aides were called up to the White\nHouse--to the presidential living quarters--for a party. Mrs. [Mamie]\nEisenhower, and the President, and Mrs. [Elvira Carlson \"Minnie\"] Doud,--that\nwas Mamie's mother--who lived in the White House. We go through a receiving\nline, and the President called me by name, by first name--I'll tell you about\nMr. [Richard M.] Nixon a little bit later, that was part of my White House\nexperience--and I said to him, \"Mr. President, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going home and propose to a\nyoung lady,\" and he said, \"She'll take it. She'll accept.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: \"Don't worry. It's okay.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: That gets you out of the aide business. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, yes, you have to resign. So in 1956, when we got married, I had\nto give up my White House aide position. I had two years at the White House. But\nevery year, when the President had us to his quarters for a party, we presented\nhim with a gift. I think the highest grade of any of the aides was major, most\nof us ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were captains. One or two were lieutenants I guess, but mostly captains.\n[We] didn't have a lot of money, but we had to chip in. We didn't have to, but\nwe chipped in to buy the President and Mrs. Eisenhower a present. So in this\nyear, we decided that the Steuben Glass--which Eisenhower loved--[would be the\ngift]. He presented Steuben Glass to visiting dignitaries at the White House. We\nwould ask the Steuben people to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make a punch bowl and all the cups, and the\nthing must have cost thousands and thousands of dollars. It had a Presidential\nSeal on it, it was absolutely [lovely]. I think my part of the thing was fifty\ndollars, at the most. But [we had] 21 times $50, and the rest of it was picked\nup by the Steuben people as a gift. The President absolutely loved it, he\nthought it was one of the greatest things ever. So ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went home, and I proposed\nto Ann, and that's another good story, about how I slipped the ring on her...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, let's pick up the wedding afterwards.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay.\n\nWEINTRAUB: This is Marvin Weintraub interviewing, for the second time, Colonel\nIrving Schoenberg. Today is July 14th, 2005. This is for the Jewish Oral History\nProject of Atlanta, co-sponsored by the American Jewish Committee, the Jewish\nFederation of Greater Atlanta, the National Council of Jewish Women, and the\nWilliam Breman Jewish Heritage Museum. That's a mouthful, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"isn't it? This is tape\nthree, and again, we don't have any noise in the household. It's being\nrefurbished, and we're in the home of the Colonel. What I'd like to do today,\nIrv--if I may call you Irv--\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, of course.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...is continue where we were, get the ending of your military career,\nand how you ended up in Atlanta. Because your family was heavily involved in St.\nJoe at the time. So let's see how you ended up here. To start ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with, you were a\nWhite House aide where we ended off.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: How about picking it up there?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay. I was a White House aide for two years. I left the University\nof Maryland to come over to the White House as legislative liaison, and that was\nin combination with the fact that I had been appointed a White House aide. I\nthink one of the unique things about my White House experience was that at one\nof the receptions--just by circumstance, or by a hit-or-miss proposition--each\nof the White House aides would go and greet ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the guests coming in the White\nHouse. The guest that I went to greet happened to be the ambassador from Israel,\nAbba Eban. I said to myself, \"He and I are probably the only two Jews in the\nentire White House at that time.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: Did he speak Hebrew, Yiddish, English, German, French? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: He was educated in England, so he spoke English very well, very fine\nman. Then, [another special thing was] the fact that President Eisenhower and\nMrs. Eisenhower and Mrs. Doud, all lived in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"White House and every Christmas\nthey had a Christmas party for the White House aides. Twenty-one of us always\npresented the President and Mrs. Eisenhower a gift. One time, a beautiful\nSteuben glass punch bowl, which I'm sure cost the Steuben people a lot more\nmoney than we contributed to it. After I finished my tour in the White\nHouse--and I'm still a legislative liaison--eventually I became the executive\nofficer there, and then my boss, General [Joseph] Kelly, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"asked me what I wanted\nto do from that point on. I said, \"Well, not being a pilot, I don't have any\ncommand experience,\" and that's really what I wanted. To make a long story\nshort, I got into the tactical [ballistic] missile business and was sent to\nBitburg, Germany. We had atomic weapons aimed at the Russians on 24-hour alert,\nseven days a week. I started out as a commander of B Flight and was proud of the\nfact that [it was] the first crew to make ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lead Crew. If you're familiar with how\nSAC used to operate [you know] this was a select crew. One of my crews, headed\nby a captain, became the first Select Crew in all of the European command. I\nwent from there to be the Executive Officer of the group and eventually came\nback to the Pentagon. That was a surprise, because one of my classmates--Jay\nJoseph--said he had checked with the personnel people and I wasn't going back to\nthe Pentagon. I'd been there before and I was probably going to be in the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"long-range missiles, like the Jupiter or the Titan or one of those, and work\nsomewhere out in the \"boondocks.\" That didn't please Ann very much because she\nwanted to be in a Jewish community, obviously. Instead of going out into the\nboondocks, I came back to the Pentagon. I was put into the operations business\nas Chief of Tactical Missiles. I was there two years and was then assigned up to\nthe Office of The Secretary of The Air Force, where I wrote speeches. I was a\nSpecial Projects Officer.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Wrote speeches?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Wrote speeches. At the end of that time, I got moved up to be the\nDeputy Executive Assistant to the Under Secretary of the Air Force. I left there\nto go to the Industrial College of the Armed Forces, which was over at Fort\n[Lesley J.] McNair, still in the Washington [D.C.] area. Finished there, as an\nhonor graduate, I might say...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah!\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...and got a master's degree ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from George Washington University in\nbusiness administration. That was my second master's degree. I spent the next\ncouple of years, until 1969, at the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force. In\nfact, I broke in three Under Secretaries, who knew very little about the Air\nForce, I had to teach them. One very interesting thing [was] I helped select the\nfirst female colonel to be a brigadier general in the Air Force. Her name was\nJeanne Holm. Her name is in The Greatest Generation, [Tom] Brokow's book. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I left\nthere and went out to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base to be commander of a\nworldwide organization called Air Force Contract Maintenance Center. A\ndetachment of mine was in Tel Aviv, at Ben Gurion Airport. So, I had detachments\nin Europe, I had them over in the Far East. I made my one trip to the Far East,\nI visited Vietnam, and I was over there for a little while. 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Beck (Jewish, by the way), Commander of Air Force Materiel\nCommand's Warner Robins Air Logistics Center ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down in Warner Robins, Georgia. I\naccepted that job, and went down to Warner Robins and became the Director of\nMateriel Management, which was a Brigadier General's job. I stayed there for\nthree years and finally at age 48--I had actually been selected for brigadier\ngeneral, but that's a long story that I won't go into--Ann and I decided it was\ntime to get out. The education of our three sons was most important in our lives.\n\nWEINTRAUB: How old were the sons ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at that time?\n\nSCHOENBERG: David had one year of high school [left], so he would have been 17.\nEric was three years younger, he was 14. Jeffrey was three years younger than\nthat, so he was 11.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You mentioned Ann wanting to go to a Jewish community.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Absolutely.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Let me look at two aspects of this. Antisemitism in the military?\n\nSCHOENBERG: People have asked me that question, Marvin. I think I may have said\nthat Jews in my hometown had the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Cossack mentality\"--believed that always there\nwas antisemitism. There probably was antisemitism, [but] I personally never\nexperienced it. Nothing that I can put my finger on said that \"you are a Jew and\ntherefore we treat you differently.\" In fact, my career was exactly the\nopposite. I got promoted several times \"below the zone,\" which would indicate\nthat I was satisfying my bosses. I was doing a job well enough to get those promotions.\n\nWEINTRAUB: For people who don't understand, what do you mean, \"below the zone\"?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: The criteria for being eligible for promotion. You have to have so\nmany years of service, so many years in grade, but there is an area called\n\"below the zone.\" People with outstanding records are considered below the zone,\nand they select some of those with every promotion.\n\nWEINTRAUB: A fair amount of your time in your travels appears to have been in\nthe Washington, D.C., area.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's true, 14 years altogether.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, that's half your career, more than half your career.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, of 30 years, that's right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: How would you describe your moving around, as a Jew, to communities\nwith and without Jewish communities?\n\nSCHOENBERG: In Washington [D.C.] that was no problem. There were several\ncongregations, and we belonged to one down in Alexandria, Virginia. The rabbi,\nwe got to know quite well, and our boys went to Sunday school and went to Hebrew\nschool. There was no question that they were going to be bar mitzvahed when the\ntime came, because we thought that way, both of us. Ann and I both had good\nJewish backgrounds. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was brought up in an Orthodox synagogue; Ann was brought\nup in a Conservative synagogue, but her family had always been involved and my\nfamily was very much involved in congregational life. So as we moved around, we\nwent \"shul shopping.\" We would ask locals where they belonged, and we'd\neventually make a mis- ...make a decision, and we continued to do that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You started to say \"make a mistake.\" [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Well, we almost made a mistake one time ...but we always belonged to\na synagogue, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always belonged to a synagogue. When we left Washington and we went\nout to Wright-Patterson, again we belonged to a synagogue, and the boys had to\ndrive from outside of Dayton [Ohio] --where Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\nwas--down into town for the Reform synagogue, Reform temple. Ann was very busy\nmaking those carpool [trips], she did a good job, but we were only there one\nyear. When we got ready to leave Wright-Patterson for Warner Robins, the chief\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish chaplain, a fellow named [Calvin] \"Cal\" Levitan--whom I had served with\nin Okinawa ...let me mention Okinawa. He was on a circuit. He rode from the\nPhilippines to Okinawa to Guam, serving Jewish personnel.\n\nWEINTRAUB: A large circuit for a circuit rider.\n\nSCHOENBERG: A large circuit. When Cal couldn't be there one week out of the\nmonth, I and a Dr. Schneeberg used to conduct services. So I was the semi-rabbi,\nI like to call it. [laughs]\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Cal Levitan, by the way, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"moved back and was in Wright-Patterson Air\nForce Base when I was leaving there to go to Georgia. Cal wrote a beautiful\nletter, recommending to the rabbi that Ann and Irv were coming down and to\nwelcome them, and so on. Well, that's another story. We ended up in the\nConservative synagogue rather than the Reform, and that's a rabbi kind of a\nquestion. That's where the mistake almost came in. While we were at Warner\nRobins, Ann was again carpooling from Warner Robins, which is about ten, fifteen\nmiles outside of Macon, Georgia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went shul shopping both Friday night to the\ntemple and then Saturday to the Conservative, and the Conservative was warm,\nwelcoming, and they wanted us, and we didn't get that feeling [from the Reform\ncongregation], so we belonged to that synagogue. We've maintained that\nfriendship with those people from Macon all of these years, still do. So we shul\nshopped, [laughs] and we selected, and we belonged.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You shul shopped but ended up mostly in temples.\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, the Conservative was a synagogue. Once we got ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Atlanta, yes,\nagain we shul shopped and decided that Temple Sinai was for us.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Temple Sinai, which is a Reform congregation.\n\nSCHOENBERG: A Reform congregation, and we still belong there, since 1973.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So, you had good relations, as a Jewish individual, with the\nnon-Jewish civilian community also? Did you have any relationship in the military?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, yes. In the military, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I was at Warner Robins, I was the\nSalvation Army representative on the Board, and I used to go to all the\nmeetings. Interesting story. We chipped in, because the Salvation Army captain's\nlifelong ambition was to go to Israel, to Palestine. We chipped in, and we\nbought him a ticket, and he went to Palestine. He came back and he was about 17\nfeet off the ground. He was naturally thrilled.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Interesting, from Warner Robins?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Because I know you've done extensive work in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"community here in\nAtlanta. So you're at Warner Robins and you decide to get out of the military.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Retire.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. I was 48 years old, and I had 30 years of service. As I said,\nwe were concerned about [the] education of our children--our three sons--and we\nfigured it was time to go. So I put in for retirement, and I was retired on\nSaturday night, the 30th of June, 1973. The 1st of July was a Sunday. I was\npicked up on the payroll of Abrams Industries, and on Monday morning ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at eight\no'clock I went to work.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah! Abrams Industries, let's talk a minute, then. If you picked up\nthat, you didn't job shop.\n\nSCHOENBERG: No. Abrams Industries' [Chief Executive Officer] CEO was my\nclassmate, Bernard Abrams, who was an infantry officer in Korea--badly wounded,\nretired for disability as a captain--with Silver Star, Bronze Star and all the\ngood stuff that he got in combat. So if you want to talk about antisemitism,\nthere really isn't any in the foxholes, at least ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not in his case. Many of my\nJewish classmates served in Korea.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Let me take an aside, then--and we'll get back to Atlanta in a\nmoment--because of the controversy surrounding the Air Force Academy. Currently,\nand for the future, it appears to be a group of evangelicals are evangelizing.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, it disturbs me greatly, very badly. If you look at the Naval\nAcademy, if you look particularly at West Point, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jews have always been given\ntheir position. I told you about the Jewish cadet chapel [being] built, money\nraised by private individuals. The only thing the Army gave West Point for the\nchapel was the land on which to build and a set of criteria that determined what\nit would look like. So it's a Gothic-looking chapel, but it's very much a Jewish\nchapel, and very active with not only the cadets but with the Jewish community\nall around: Dobbs Ferry, White Plains and so on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: So no real problems as you saw. Let's get back to Abrams, what sort\nof business was Abrams here in Atlanta?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Abrams Industries was, at that time, primarily construction, but\nstore fixture manufacturing, real estate development, and there were two or\nthree other, smaller companies. I came directly to the manufacturing company.\nSince I had a degree in engineering and also a degree in logistics and a degree\nin business administration, it seemed to fit.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: And you worked in those areas in the military.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, I did.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Did you sell to the military? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, absolutely not. But I was very much involved at Warner Robins as\nDirector of Materiel Management with 3,200 people, and my budget for a year was\n$1,000,000,000 (not \"m\" but \"b\"), billion dollars. It was a very large business,\nand by the way, I was there when much of the military equipment was sent to\nIsrael in 1973. Do you remember that?\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: The C-130 aircraft--which was the primary aircraft for the Israeli\nAir Force--was my problem, my management. That's how I met many Israelis.\n\nWEINTRAUB: But you never gave Abrams any business while you were in the military.\n\nSCHOENBERG: There was no opportunity.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs] Okay, so you obviously maintained a friendship with Mr.\nAbrams ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"over the years.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, classmates since 1944...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes, which leads then...\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...and by the way, Alan Gould was another classmate.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Just for the record, who was Alan Gould?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Alan Gould, in my class at West Point, who came to Atlanta as the\nrepresentative of Lockheed. While he was here his wife, Mimi [Gould] had some\nheart problems, so he retired here. But he went immediately to work for Abrams,\nso he was with Abrams for a good many years, too.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Before you were there.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Before I was there.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Who recruited you, which of the two? Or do you [know]?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Bernie. Bernie and Alan both came down to my retirement ceremony out\nof Warner Robins.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah!\n\nSCHOENBERG: And we used to come up here periodically to see [them].\n\nWEINTRAUB: So during the retirement ceremony, you got recruited?\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, even before that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Before that.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Long before that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So you knew you were going to...\n\nSCHOENBERG: We went back to Israel on a \"space available\" [basis], and all of\nthese people that I had worked with at Tel Aviv at the detachment--the Israeli\naircraft industry and the Israeli defense department--all of them had people\nthere ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5490.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to receive us and escort us. They flew us around all over Israel. We met\nall kinds of people. It was a great trip.\n\nWEINTRAUB: The boys with you?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, no, just Ann and I.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Just Ann and you.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That was our last big fling overseas before we became civilians and\nmoved to Atlanta.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So you go to work for Abrams. What did you do at Abrams?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I was president of the company for--\n\nWEINTRAUB: President of Abrams?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Abrams Fixture Corporation.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Okay, yes. You indicated there were a number of divisions. 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I won't go into detail, but, remember the Town Hall case, where\neverybody all got upset ...Investor ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"relations--financial communications and\ninvestor relations--[is the part of a company that] talks to the people that own\nstock, and that kind of thing. So after I'd been there for a couple of years,\ndoing investor relations, surprisingly, I was asked to be on a committee in\nNASDAQ, the National Association of Security Dealers [Automated Quotations]. For\nfive years I served on a committee up in Washington, and the last three years I\nwas the chairman of that committee, a very responsible position. I learned an\nawful lot. 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I liked\nteaching, I enjoy teaching. I think I mentioned before that I was a great\nsupporter of the ROTC program.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: That's what I taught at the University of Maryland, as well as a\ncourse at the College of Military Science, which was separate from the ROTC. I\ntaught a course in the psychology of military leadership.\n\nWEINTRAUB: That's interesting.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I had been very much influenced by a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5670.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man--for whom I worked as a\nfull colonel, as a two-star general and as a four-star general--General Joe\nKelly, Class of 1932 out of West Point. He--I guess [you] would say--is really\nmy mentor, and I've written a great deal about him. He became a four-star\ngeneral, would have been Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and I'm convinced\nwould have been chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff except that he was a\nsmoker, and he had lung cancer and had to be retired. He was told by the\nSecretary of the Air Force he was going to be Chief.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Okay. 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He married us in Kansas City.\nSo David went back to have his bar mitzvah in Kansas City.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I see.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Eric and Jeffrey, in turn, had their bar mitzvahs here at Temple Sinai.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: So they almost consider themselves native Atlantans. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, almost. David is very, very active in Temple Sinai. He's been\non the board, he's been all kinds of things, vice president...\n\nWEINTRAUB: How about your activities since you retired? Let's start with the\nJewish community.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Okay, the Jewish community ...with Temple Sinai I served on the\nboard, I served on committees. 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Eventually\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5820.0,5850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I became the president of the Kiwanis Club, and I think I was the first Jewish\npresident of that club. I don't know of anybody who had preceded me as\npresident. I was in it from 1976 and still am. I have 23 years of perfect\nattendance at the Kiwanis. Well, through friends of mine in Kiwanis, I was asked\nto be on the board of Boys and Girls Club, and that's interdenominational. 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I've been on the board for eight years or so and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5910.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"firmly\nbelieve in it. They're doing a great job.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So primarily your activities today are--[he's] building a house\nattached to his house right now--[what,] other than building your house?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I have been a very great supporter of The [American] Red Cross. Ann\nhas been on a committee called The [American Red Cross] Holocaust and War\nVictims Tracing [Center]. We're still finding people who lost each other during\nthe Holocaust--brothers and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=5940.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sisters, aunts and uncles, cousins--people that the\nrecords didn't show where they went. The Red Cross--through this committee--has\nfound over a thousand people, reunited them. Some absolutely unbelievable\nstories that we could spend hours and hours talking about. So I've been a\nsupporter of that. I've not been on the board, but I have gone to every\ncommittee meeting and have helped Ann, who eventually became the chair of that\ncommittee for two years. 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I have served on many boards,\nMarvin, of selection for candidates to the academy: Newt Gingrich's board, Ben\nJones --when he was congressman ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here--Senator [Max] Cleland, and others up in\nOhio and various other places. I've written a master's thesis on the subject of\nthe appointment system to the service academies. I've always felt that it was\nmuch too political. It's getting away from that, to a large extent, but there is\nstill some political influence.\n\nWEINTRAUB: How many Jewish individuals approach these boards? 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We have a Muslim in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6150.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish cadet chapel.\nWe have many non-Jews [who] go to the Jewish chapel. Why? Well, we have an Oneg\nShabbat . . .\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...after every service, and we have Passover meals up there.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Does the Oneg Shabbat supply the wine too, or are you using grape juice?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I can't say.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: I don't think--no, no wine.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs] I wouldn't think so.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I've been there before, but I've never noticed that.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I'll give you an aside. As you know, I was at Maxwell Air Force Base\nin Montgomery [Alabama], and they have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6180.0,6210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a prison there also...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: ...which is pretty open. One day, the rabbi approached me and says,\n\"You know, there are three Jewish individuals there. Would you like to take them\nto service?\" So Doris [Weintraub] and I pick them up for a number of months and\ntake them to service, and you know why they went?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: To drink the wine. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. [laughs] So Jews in the military--and you know that out of the\nfirst class [to graduate West Point, in 1802], one of the two in the class was Jewish.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Right.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Simon Magruder Levy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6210.0,6240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: Talking about West Point and the International Conference of the Red\nCross, of course, is of interest to most Jews who know about the area.\n\nSCHOENBERG: One interesting trip that Ann and I made when she was on the board\n[Holocaust and War Victims Tracing Center] ...The man who usually went to the\ninternational meeting of all the signatories to the Holocaust Tracing\nOrganization [couldn't go, so] Ann was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6240.0,6270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"selected as the representative. I went\nwith her, and we went to Berlin. We had a two-day meeting, talking to the people\nfrom the Netherlands and France, Israel had a representative, and so on. So it's\nbeen very interesting to see how that works. And Berlin was amazing, it reminded\nme of Atlanta, the cranes--[because] of all the big buildings.\n\nWEINTRAUB: [chuckles.]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Very busy.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Do you miss working for a living, for a paycheck?\n\nSCHOENBERG: No. No, because I keep very busy, Marvin. I'm writing a book...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah!\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...and I attend the Kiwanis meeting every ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6270.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tuesday--not\nreligiously--but I go almost every week. I try to play tennis to keep in good\nshape, but I spend a lot of time on my computer, communicating with people all\nover the world. And I am writing this book, it is autobiographical. I call it,\nMy Family, My Life. And I'll tell you that I learned from a young woman here in\ntown name Jacki Morris--there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6300.0,6330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is such a thing as an ethical will, and so this\nbook is my ethical will. They define it as, all the answers to all the questions\nthat my great-great-great-grandchildren would have asked me had they had the opportunity.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, all they would have to do is listen to this tape. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Listen to the tape. [laughs]\n\nWEINTRAUB: [laughs] But, no, you want them to go out and buy the book when it\ncomes out.\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, the book will never be commercially published.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Okay.\n\nSCHOENBERG: It's being written for the benefit of my children primarily, and my\nrelatives. I have taken excerpts from it and [I'm] sending it to various cousins\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6330.0,6360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around the country too, just so they know what's going on. I am the family\ngenealogist and historian. So I have on my computer the Family Tree Maker, and I\nhave trained my cousins, primarily, to send me information about weddings and\nbirths and deaths and so on, and I've kept busy.\n\nWEINTRAUB: How far back have you traced the family?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Back, absolutely sure, to 1866. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6360.0,6390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My grandmother and grandfather were\nliving in what is now the Republic of Moldova. It was then called Bessarabia,\npart of Romania, part of Russia; it went back and forth. I went back there in\n1996 to see for myself. Three interesting things happened, and this I think is\nworth telling. I organized a trip of seven people: myself; a fellow named Victor\nYoukilis, who lived in Cincinnati [Ohio], and his significant other (his wife\nhad died); his nephew, David Schorr ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6390.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and his wife; and Victor's son and daughter.\nThe seven of us went to Kishinev--Kishinow, it's now called--and then went to\nTelenesht, the village. We had a Jewish man who did a TV program called On the\nJewish Street. He came with us, and he had it all videotaped. But three things\nhappened to me. Number one, we were received by the president of the district,\ngiven red carpet treatment, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6420.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the thought occurred to me that my grandparents\nand my aunts and uncles who lived in a great antisemitic environment would not\nhave believed what was happening to us. They knew we were Jewish. At one point,\nfifty percent of the population of this village was Jewish. Now, there are less\nthan fifty people. So that was the first thing, that [because of] the\nantisemitism [my grandparents endured], they wouldn't believe [how well we were\nreceived]. Number two, I had this kind of emotional thing. When I walked the\nland, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6450.0,6480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knowing that so many of my ancestors had been there, had lived in this\nplace. But the third thing that really hit home: thank God my grandparents had\nthe guts and the knowledge and the stick-to-it-iveness to get the hell out of\nthere. Because they avoided the pogroms, what came after 1903, 1905. They missed\nWorld War I, they missed World War II, and they all settled in St. Joe,\nMissouri. Fiddler on the Roof.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Let me ask this. You mentioned ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6480.0,6510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your parents--while we were chatting\nbefore we put the tape on--were here in Atlanta, at the Jewish home.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, I brought them here from Tucson [Arizona].\n\nWEINTRAUB: Are they buried here in Atlanta or did they go back to St. Joe?\n\nSCHOENBERG: Both are in St. Joe, Missouri. The cemetery has close to ninety\npercent of all of my family. Shaare Sholem Synagogue, the Orthodox synagogue.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Interesting. Well, what else do we need to talk about, now, Irv?\nWe've got you to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6510.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta, and we've got your family. Very active in the\nKiwanians and with Hillside. What else are you doing to keep busy, other than\nplaying tennis? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: [laughs] Well, I communicate a lot with my cousins. We have a net,\nwe have a Hochman-Schoenberg net. So I've said to them, \"When you want to let me\nknow that there's a new child in the family or a wedding or a bris or anything\nof that sort, give me the information, and I'll crank it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6540.0,6570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into the Family Tree. I\nhave a very extensive family tree. I got Ann interested in that, she's done a\nlot of good research.\n\nWEINTRAUB: So you're essentially looking at both families, yours and Ann's.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. Ann does most of hers, of course, but we are on the net with\nthe ROMSIG, which is Romanians Special Interest Group. She's with the Lithuanian\nSpecial Interest Group [LitvakSIG]. There's a tremendous amount of traffic that\ngoes on, asking questions about, \"Do you know so-and-so? I'm trying to find\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6570.0,6600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"information on so-and-so, and they lived at this shtetl or that shtetl,\" busy,\nbusy. Genealogy, you'd be amazed, if you go down to south of town, where they\nhave a branch of the U.S. Archives...\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes, I know.\n\nSCHOENBERG: ...there are people in there all the time, reading the 1920 census,\nthe 1910 census--every ten years there's a census--trying to find Aunt Sylvia or\nwhoever. They're always down there, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6600.0,6630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's the greatest hobby for retired people.\n\nWEINTRAUB: I just assumed they'd all be Mormons. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, no, no. That's a good point. The Mormon church out in Salt Lake\nCity--very cooperative. They have a branch--I think two churches, Mormon\nchurches--here in Atlanta. You can go and use their archives, use their library,\nand see what they've got available at Salt Lake City, and you can request it.\nYou can request a tape or a CD of whatever they have.\n\nWEINTRAUB: This is Marvin Weintraub again. We're still interviewing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6630.0,6660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Irv\nSchoenberg, and we're still in his house, and it's still the middle of July, and\nthis is tape four. Irv, we were talking about genealogies and nets and why you\ngot interested and how you're interested in other things, but let's go to the\nfuture. You say you're writing a book for future generations. What are your kids\ndoing nowadays? Are they using their Jewish education, which--they seem to have\ngood ones...\n\nSCHOENBERG: I think so. Ann and I are very fortunate that all three of our sons\nlive in the Atlanta area, and we have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6660.0,6690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"four granddaughters.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Ah! None have gone to West Point, the granddaughters? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: I doubt that. I doubt it seriously, but it's possible. Eric--the\nfather of two of those daughters--after he graduated from the University of\nVirginia, was given an Air Force medical school scholarship and went through\nmedical school at Tulane University. When he graduated, he became a captain and\nserved for ...well, it was in the First Gulf War, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6690.0,6720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of the first people to\narrive in Saudi Arabia. He has some very interesting comments about the Saudis,\nby the way. Eric graduated from the University of Virginia, as did his oldest\nbrother--my oldest son--David. Both went to the University of Virginia. All\nthree graduated from Dunwoody High School. Jeffrey was four years at Princeton\nUniversity up in New Jersey. David got a law degree from the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6720.0,6750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University of\nGeorgia. Eric got his medical degree from Tulane, where he met his wife. Jeffrey\ngot his law degree from the University of North Carolina.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You've got two lawyers, I don't know if that's good or not.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I don't, either. [laughs]\n\nWEINTRAUB: \"Kill all the lawyers!\" [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: I need a CPA among the family.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Let's go back--for a moment--to their education at Dunwoody [High\nSchool], as three academically bright Jews.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6750.0,6780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We came to Dunwoody because the real estate people all kept\nsaying, \"That's a growing community. You'll like it out there. There are a good\nmany Jews in the community.\" On this cul-de-sac, when we first moved in, it was\nfifty percent Jewish.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You decided there are too many Jews? [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: [laughs] Yes, maybe, but Eric had quite an accomplishment. There was\na thing called Academy of Achievement. They pick out seniors that go out to\nCalifornia, all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6780.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"expenses paid. Herschel Walker [football player] was in the\ngroup that Eric got chosen for. Eric was a Presidential Scholar, three kids out\nof the state of Georgia were selected. Eric was one, a Jewish girl named Sylvia\nSorrell was the second, and the third one was a young man that had a Chinese\nname like Wang or something. They served in the Fourth of July parade as grand\nmarshals here in Dunwoody. David ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6810.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is very much involved with Temple Sinai, as I\nsaid before, and has maintained his extremely good relationship with the coach\nof the University of Virginia swimming team. He was the manager at Virginia, and\nhe's now kind of an assistant coach, and travels with the team all over the\ncountry. Jeffrey spent two years in a law firm, decided he didn't want to\npractice law. He got out, and he's sort of in the public domain these days. He\nworked for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6840.0,6870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Senator [Max] Cleland for about five years, until he was defeated.\nThen he went to work for Congresswoman [Denise L.] Majette until she was\ndefeated--well, before she was defeated; that's a long story.\n\nWEINTRAUB: What's he doing now?\n\nSCHOENBERG: He's looking for a good position. Eric is an anesthesiologist, he\nhas an M.D. degree [Doctor of Medicine] from Tulane, and he's head of the\nanesthesiology department at Barrow County Hospital in Winder, Georgia, so he\nlives in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6870.0,6900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gwinnett [county]. As Ann says, \"It's almost in South Carolina.\"\n\nWEINTRAUB: No, it's not that far. Just for the record, Dunwoody is an affluent\nsuburb of the city of Atlanta. We're northeast of the city, essentially.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Right.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Are your children as active in the Jewish community as you were?\n\nSCHOENBERG: I would say not quite, because the four granddaughters are almost\ntwelve, almost ten, three, and six months. They're still very young.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6900.0,6930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WEINTRAUB: All right. I know you had--in addition to working with the State of\nIsrael, and the Kiwanians--you've had other activities ...\n\nSCHOENBERG: Oh, the USO. I'm very much a believer in the USO, and I spend time\ndown there with the people who operate it [in Atlanta]. It's considered one of\nthe best USOs in the United States. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6930.0,6960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For example, last Christmas I got a group of\npeople from Temple Sinai, and we went down there to help the troops. We served\nmeals. There's always a bar that they can have coffee and soft drinks and\ncookies and cakes.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Well, I'm glad you clarified that bar. [laughs]\n\nSCHOENBERG: Yes, [chuckles] coffee.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And like B'nai B'rith's \"pinch hitter\" does for the hospitals?\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes.\n\nSCHOENBERG: I think we're going to continue that with the USO. But, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6960.0,6990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let me back\nup about USO. In St. Joe, Missouri, I enlisted in the Army in 1943. My mother\nwas already a volunteer with the USO. She worked very hard, got to know a lot of\nthe soldiers, and she has wonderful stories. But my own experience with the USO\nwas also very, very positive. While I was at Cornell University, at a West Point\nprep school, we had a weekend--not very many, but we had a few weekends--down in\nNew York City. We were riding the Lehigh Valley ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=6990.0,7020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Railroad, very, very smoky and\n[laughs] it was a bad ride. I had to carry a uniform, one clean one to always\nhave available. We'd stop at a place called Sayre, Pennsylvania and there was\nalways a group of women there with milk and cake and coffee and apples and\noranges. They were typical of what was going on during World War II. There was\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=7020.0,7050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tremendous support for the military people. So, when my mother--may she rest in\npeace--not preached, but she always gave the impression that USO was a great\nthing. When I joined the USO board here in Atlanta, I have told--in fact, I've\nbeen interviewed on TV--\"Why are you interested in the USO?\" I said, \"Because my\nmother was interested in the USO. It's a carry on.\" I feel that it is a good\nthing you can do to help the troops. That Budweiser ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=7050.0,7080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ad--at the Super Bowl--that\nBudweiser ad showed soldiers going back to Afghanistan or to Iraq, and it's a\ngood feeling to know that you're helping those people.\n\nWEINTRAUB: You're pretty active. You've got Hillside, the USO, Kiwanians.\n\nSCHOENBERG: West Point Society.\n\nWEINTRAUB: West Point Society.\n\nSCHOENBERG: Boys and Girls Club.\n\nWEINTRAUB: Yes. I haven't heard any Jewish activities in there except you said\nyou were on the board of [Temple] Sinai.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=7080.0,7110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHOENBERG: Yes, I belong to the Jewish War Veterans. I can't say that I'm very\nactive with them, but I belong, I support them. And B'nai B'rith, I support the\nB'nai B'rith.\n\nWEINTRAUB: But not the way you support Kiwanians, actively.\n\nSCHOENBERG: No, no, it's true. I can't tell you why, except that maybe there's\nsomething about the Kiwanis program that appeals to me. It's serving the youth\nof our community, and I think we do a good job. 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I mentioned Calla Varner, and Bruce Fangler, people that influenced\nme; Sergeant McCroskey, who was my ROTC instructor, and people that I served\nwith in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=7350.0,7380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/transcript/22287/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"military, General Joe Kelly, for example. People from whom I learned\na great deal. When I taught that course on the psychology of military\nleadership, I was really echoing the things that I saw demonstrated by people\nlike General Joe Kelly. He was the kind of a leader that would march his troops\nto the end of the cliff and if he said, \"Jump,\" they would jump. But I have to\ngo back to West Point. 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So\nwe'll close it right there, and again, thank you, Irv.\n\nSCHOENBERG: And thank you, Marvin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074#t=7560.0,7590.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/annotation_set/429","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Irving Schoenberg [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/31557/file/100074/annotation_set/429/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Republic of Moldova is in Eastern Europe, bordered by Romania to the west and Ukraine to the north, east, and south. 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I got a call one day from the Air Force aide to the President of the United States. 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