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She is the middle child of two other siblings, an older sister, Anne, and a younger sister, Jean. Growing up, Sugarman attended E. Rivers Elementary as well as Westminster before attending college at Emory University. In 1963, Sugarman married Edward, who is a dentist in the Atlanta area. The couple have three children together, Pam, Susan, and Jeffrey. Sugarman is highly involved in the Jewish Community and served as the president for the National Council of Jewish Women for some time. While in her position, she volunteered at programs like the Louis Kahn Group Home and the Genesis Shelter. Although she is no longer involved with the National Council of Jewish Women, she continues to be an active member at The Temple and other Atlantean-centered projects. \u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eBeth Sugarman starts the interview by reflecting on her family history. She discusses how her mother’s side of the family ended up in Atlanta and their history in the United States. She details how her mother met her father. Sugarman goes on to describe her father’s side of the family. Sugarman reminiscences on The Temple Bombing and how that impacted her. She discusses her family life and childhood in Atlanta. She reflects on her dad’s career at Montag as well as her aunt’s involvement as a pilot. She discusses her teenage years at Westminster and involvement in summer camp. Sugarman recalls the marriage between her and her husband. She talks about her involvements in the Jewish Community. She reflects on her time at the National Council of Jewish Women and her presidency. Sugarman also details her involvements in projects like the Louis Kahn Group Home and the Genesis Shelter. She concludes the interview through a discussion on how COVID-19 has impacted her. \u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/29029"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Atlanta, Georgia (geographic term)","Immigration (topical term)","Montag Brothers, Inc (corporate name)","Spanish-American War (chronological term)","Hanukkah (topical term)","Christmas (topical term)","Women Airforce Service Pilots (topical term)","Dentistry (topical term)","National Council of Jewish Women (corporate name)","Louis Kahn Group Home (corporate name)","Genesis Shelter (corporate name)","The Temple (corporate name)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBeth Sugarman interviewed by Sandra Berman on May 14, 2021 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eBeth Sugarman was born on June 26, 1943, at Emory University Hospital to Harriet and Sidney Greenblatt. She is the middle child of two other siblings, an older sister, Anne, and a younger sister, Jean. Growing up, Sugarman attended E. Rivers Elementary as well as Westminster before attending college at Emory University. In 1963, Sugarman married Edward, who is a dentist in the Atlanta area. The couple have three children together, Pam, Susan, and Jeffrey. Sugarman is highly involved in the Jewish Community and served as the president for the National Council of Jewish Women for some time. While in her position, she volunteered at programs like the Louis Kahn Group Home and the Genesis Shelter. Although she is no longer involved with the National Council of Jewish Women, she continues to be an active member at The Temple and other Atlantean-centered projects.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eBeth Sugarman starts the interview by reflecting on her family history. She discusses how her mother\u0026rsquo;s side of the family ended up in Atlanta and their history in the United States. She details how her mother met her father. Sugarman goes on to describe her father\u0026rsquo;s side of the family. Sugarman reminiscences on The Temple Bombing and how that impacted her. She discusses her family life and childhood in Atlanta. She reflects on her dad\u0026rsquo;s career at Montag as well as her aunt\u0026rsquo;s involvement as a pilot. She discusses her teenage years at Westminster and involvement in summer camp. Sugarman recalls the marriage between her and her husband. She talks about her involvements in the Jewish Community. She reflects on her time at the National Council of Jewish Women and her presidency. Sugarman also details her involvements in projects like the Louis Kahn Group Home and the Genesis Shelter. She concludes the interview through a discussion on how COVID-19 has impacted her.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/173/886/small/Sugarman_Beth.mp4_1674096416.jpg?1674096421","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Sugarman_Beth.mp4"]},"duration":6695.456,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/173/886/small/Sugarman_Beth.mp4_1674096416.jpg?1674096421","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-thebreman.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/173/886/original/Sugarman_Beth.mp4?1674096363","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":6695.456,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Sugarman, Beth [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" \n\nBERMAN: Today is May 14, 2021, and I am with Beth Sugarman, who has agreed to\nparticipate in the Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project of the William\nBreman Jewish Heritage Museum. I really want to thank you, Beth. I've known you\nfor so long, and it's I'm really looking forward to speaking with you about your\nfamily and your Atlanta connections and your history. I'd like to begin with\njust saying where and when you were born.\n\nSUGARMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was born June 26, 1943, at Emory University Hospital, two weeks\nbefore the Army took over the hospital. My mother talked about how horrific the\nexperience was, that they were just in total disarray. That's when I arrived.\n\nBERMAN: Beginning, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"since you mentioned your mother, I want to begin with your\nmother. You can mention her name. Then I'd like to know how your mother's side\nof the family ended up in Atlanta.\n\nSUGARMAN: My mother, Harriet Weisberg Greenblatt was a fourth generation\nAtlantan. Her, what does that, great great grand parents came to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta. I've\njust gone brain dead. Jonas Loeb Cohen came over, I believe, in 1848. It's all\nin the book. I can't at this moment remember exactly where he came from but\nit's, but we do know that. He came over and went first ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Vermont and then came\ndown to Rome, Georgia. Because he had a cousin here. And the cousin was Jonas,\nwait a minute, Levi Cohen. He came and they were in Rome and then Levi said to\nhim, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Nobody knows the Loebs here. You should take my name.\", so he became Jonas\nLoeb Cohen. Then they moved to Atlanta. Off the top of my head right now I can't\nremember where he met his wife. I should have . . .\n\nBERMAN: That was Sarah Cohen [sp]?\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah, Sarah.\n\nBERMAN: What kind of work did they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do?\n\nSUGARMAN: It says on his papers that he came, when he came over. Oh, I'm sorry,\nbut I feel, I mean, I have all this information, I just don't have it on the tip\nof my tongue right now.\n\nBERMAN: It's okay, because we'll just get, and we'll fill in with the book and\njust relax. We don't have to even go into that many specifics. We'll just talk\nmore about . . .\n\nSUGARMAN: Let me think about. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"May I think about that just a minute?\n\nBERMAN: Sure.\n\nSUGARMAN: He . . . as you know, there's so many ancestors that I tend to get\nthem a little bit confused and so I would have to look back specifically at, I'm\nnot sure that he was a peddler when he came here, but he possibly was. I want to\nsay that he was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a farmer in the old country. That can be either verified or not\nverified in our family history book.\n\nBERMAN: Did any of the relatives fight for the Confederacy?\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay. Jonas Loeb Cohen, my mother ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said was a block-, no I'm sorry that\nwas Morris Weisberg [sp], was a blockade runner. He either paid somebody to\nfight for him or, but he was supposedly a blockade runner. It's noted that the\ngirls, the women in the family always had beautiful clothes. It was thought\nbecause he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brought the fabrics back from Europe.\n\nBERMAN: We have one of those dresses in the collection.\n\nSUGARMAN: Yes, you do.\n\nBERMAN: It's a beautiful dress.\n\nSUGARMAN: I used to play dress up in it when I was a child.\n\nBERMAN: Your family has just been here forever, and we're still on your mother's\nside of the family. How did they conform or live. I mean, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they were truly\nsoutherners, weren't they?\n\nSUGARMAN: Oh, yes, yes. Both Jonas Loeb Cohen and Morris Weisberg and siblings\nof theirs were founding members of the temple. We have a letter from Morris\nWeisberg's daughter. He had nine children and the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"youngest, when she was growing\nup, her father was retired and they spent a great deal of time together. She\nwrote these firsthand accounts of what she learned from her father. She said\nthat he bought, when they were selling seats for the temple, he bought a seat on\nthe back row so that that his bald head ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wasn't . . . wasn't out there. Also he\nwas very . . . I guess introverted would be the right word. Once there was an\narticle in the paper about the largest landowners and he was listed, and he was\nabsolutely livid and wanted to sue the paper. 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What was the question?\n\nBERMAN: About just being so entrenched in the southern culture and southern . . .\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah, they, Morris Weisberg, when he came to Atlanta with his\nmother-in-law who had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been, you want me to go back with his story?\n\nBERMAN: Sure.\n\nSUGARMAN: Morris Weisberg left Latvia and went to Australia. I'm sorry. He left\nLatvia. His mother was from Wolverhampton, England. They moved from Latvia to\nEngland. 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My sister actually,\nwas in Australia ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years ago in Melbourne and went to the archives, to the temple\nand found him listed and where he lived and, and places that he owned. It's kind\nof a really fascinating journey. He then went to San Francisco and because of\nthe San Francisco fire, we can't find the records of when he arrived in San\nFrancisco because everything burned up in the fire. 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Supposedly, so his wife, his wife-to-be parents had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gone to\nMemphis, and he went to Memphis and married this young girl who, the story is\nthat that when she was a child, he used to bounce her on his knee because she\nwas like eight years younger. He took her back to Arkansas.\n\nBERMAN: Her name?\n\nSUGARMAN: Just a minute, we're talking about Morris Weisberg. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One story is that Morris put 11 bales of cotton down a dry well in\nArkansas, and after the war, came back and sold the cotton for $1,000 a bale.\nThe other story is that he went to, so I guess this must have been, yup, this\nwas after the war. 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At that point, the temple would have been\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"orthodox. I have, I actually have a kiddush cup that he brought from, well it\nhad to be Latvia. So, they were practicing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jews.\n\nBERMAN: Tell me about, so I get a little confused myself because you have so\nmany relatives. But how does Harry Silverman come into this mix?\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay, Jonas ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Loeb Cohen, had five daughters.\n\nBERMAN: Sarah married Harry.\n\nSUGARMAN: Sarah married Harry. One of his daughters was Cealy [sp]. What was her\nfirst name?\n\nBERMAN: Not Lucille?\n\nSUGARMAN: No, Lucille's mother.\n\nBERMAN: Okay, Lucille's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mother. I have to go back and look.\n\nSUGARMAN: Oh, I can't believe I can't come up with this. It's an E. So yes.\nSarah, my mother, Edward loves this story, my mother always said Sarah was born\nin the basement during the siege of Atlanta. We were out at Oakland Cemetery one\nday and Edward looks, and Sarah was born in January and Edward says, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"The siege\nof Atlanta was in July.\" My mother said, \"Well, things were really. bad then, too.\"\n\nBERMAN: That's great. Harry was your mother's grandfather?\n\nSUGARMAN: Correct.\n\nBERMAN: Did she talk about him much? I've heard such a bon vivant kind of figure.\n\nSUGARMAN: Oh, my mother talked about him all the time. She adored him, he adored\nher. 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They went to live\nwith his sister, Pauline ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Auerbach, and Harry was, you know, kind of in and out\nat that point in their lives. Harry opened the cigar store at Five Points, which\nwas referred to and my cousin came, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my cousin who really did the family history\nbook. I helped her, but she put into newspapers dot com Silverman's corner and\nthere were over 50 references. It was known and, as Silverman's Corner. That was\nFive Points, and I can't think of his name now from the History Center. Oh,\nFranklin Garrett, mother and I went to talk to him once, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he talked about\nHarry, and he said, \"Oh, absolutely. You know, it was known as Silverman's\nCorner.\" There are newspaper articles in their family history book about the\nbuilding of the cigar store. It was just this incredible interior. It was right\non the point of Marietta Street, and I'm not sure what the other street is.\nDecatur and Peachtree were crossing in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"front of Beautiful carved bar, very large\nwith mirror. You have the pictures.\n\nBERMAN: Right.\n\nSUGARMAN: He had this booming tobacco and cigar store. Then he opened a\nrestaurant in the, I believe he opened the first restaurant in the Kimball\nhouse, but I could be wrong about that. 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To walk into\nthis home, it's a Neel Reid home and so nobody had like ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"touched anything. The\nkitchen had been redone, but it was still in the same space. To walk and my\nmother say, \"This was my bedroom.\" To be in the room that my mother grew up in\nwas just . . . This was her grandfather Harry's room and that's where she would\ngo for the lessons when he would ring the bell. Then, sadly Harry had terrible,\nexcuse me, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"terrible angina. Harry was also very close friends with Joe Jacobs\nand Jacob's Pharmacy and the Coca-Cola story. One night they were all at dinner\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they hear a gunshot. Harry had committed suicide. My mother said, my mother\nthought that he was hooked on cocaine from.\n\nBERMAN: Coca-Cola, the pharmacy.\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah. You know whether he was hooked on cocaine, he. Or he was given\nmedication for his angina, you know, who ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knows, whatever. It was, you know, just\none more terrible, terrible blow to the family.\n\nBERMAN: That must have been so horrible for your mother and. How old was she\nwhen that happened?\n\nSUGARMAN: I'd have to look up the date. I am ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"assuming. I shouldn't assume. I'd\nsay she was a teenager. I think.\n\nBERMAN: Moving forward a little bit. How did she end up meeting your father? A\nhappier memory.\n\nSUGARMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother went to North Avenue Presbyterian School, NAPS. The\nforebearer of Westminster. My father's sister also went to NAPS. She was in a\nyounger class, but they were friends. My mother used to go and spend the night.\nAnd ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my father's family had a country place in Jonesborough. They would go up to\nJesters Lake [sp], that was the name of it. They would be in the room, and they\nwould be, the girls would be chattering, and Danny was on the other side of the\nwall and he would knock on the wall and he'd say, you know, \"Pipe down in there,\nPipe down in there.\" So, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mother, you know, knew him and when, my daddy went to,\nmy daddy was two years older. A year older.\n\nBERMAN: And his name?\n\nSUGARMAN: Oh, Sidney Greenblatt.\n\nBERMAN: And his sister.\n\nSUGARMAN: Evelyn Greenblatt. Haran later. So, daddy went to the University of\nGeorgia. He graduated Boys High, went to University of Georgia. My mother was\ngoing to the University ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Georgia, and my grandmother Helen, called up Sidney\nand asked if he would take my mother to Athens and take her trunk. He you know,\nhe did. At some point and I can't remember now exactly where it was. If it was,\nthen if it was somewhere, I think it was somewhere before that, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my mother looked\nat my father and said, \"I'm going to marry him.\" So they started dating at the\nUniversity of Georgia and they got married.\n\nBERMAN: Let's talk a little bit now about the Greenblatt side since we've\nbrought him in now into the picture.\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: His dad was Sam Greenblatt.\n\nSUGARMAN: Sam Greenblatt.\n\nBERMAN: If you could talk a little bit about Sam, his brothers, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the whole,\nwhen they got to Atlanta and the Spanish-American War, and you know a little bit\nabout that.\n\nSUGARMAN: Sam's his parents. You know, I looked for years and then I recently\nfound where they came in and now, I can't remember where that was. Sam's parents\nand Sam was about six years old, I believe, when they when they came over. Some\nof his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"siblings were born in the [United] States and some were born they came\nfrom Lithuania, from [indistinct: 00:30:35]. They, his father was . . . That'll\ncome to me in a minute.\n\nBERMAN: About what year did they arrive?\n\nSUGARMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In early 1880s they went to Birmingham [Alabama] and we have the\npapers signed by the judge. And I should have looked this up before I came. It's\nall in the book. I don't think he was naturalized there. I think it must have\nbeen the papers when he first came over. You had to register and then you had to\nbe here for so long before you could ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be naturalized. This paper is signed by\nthis judge in in Birmingham, Alabama. Fast forward, Edward's grandma, great\ngrandfather came over, came to Birmingham. We have his papers, and they are\nsigned by the same judge.\n\nBERMAN: That's great.\n\nSUGARMAN: They went from Birmingham to Knoxville, Tennessee, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was, I think\nhis father. Oh, my gosh. I can't believe, Bailey and . . . Bailey was the\nmother. I can't come up with his name. I want to say Isaac, but I'm not 100\npercent sure. They're living in Knoxville, and they had, they subsequently had\nnine children. Sam ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was the oldest boy. No, he wasn't. I'm sorry. That's wrong.\nThere were two older brothers. One stayed in Knoxville.\n\nBERMAN: I think that was Morris. Wasn't that . . . ?\n\nSUGARMAN: Morris is younger. One was Isaac, so his father wasn't Isaac. One was,\none stayed in Knoxville and married a Baptist ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the that whole branch of the\nGreenblatt family is Baptist, but one of the daughters contacted my father years\nago because she was trying to do a family of some genealogy for her kids and\nobviously that was part of the background so they. His son, he was a dentist,\nand his son was a dentist. I was once at the Hinman Dental meeting here in\nAtlanta, which is a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"huge, all over the Southeast dental meeting. walking by and\nthere's this really tall guy, and I am at eye level with his nametag, and it\nsays somebody Greenblatt Knoxville and I say, Oh, excuse me, but you're my\ncousin. All the Greenblatt's were tall. My daddy was six four and this guy must\nhave been, he was taller than my daddy anyway. 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Then I'm not sure how my grandfather got into the laundry\nbusiness, but he started American Laundry's. American Laundry's was a a huge\nbusiness. They built a beautiful building on . . .\n\nBERMAN: Walker, I think.\n\nSUGARMAN: I'm sorry.\n\nBERMAN: Wasn't it Walker?\n\nSUGARMAN: Yes, thank you. Walker Street, which is still standing, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it still\nsays American Laundry's over the door. He had a heart, Sam had a heart attack\nwhen he was, maybe in his fifties, I don't know. He was always working, always\nworking and very serious and very I mean, he just Sam didn't really know how to\nhave a good time. 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He didn't write the song, but he arranged it for Rambling Wreck from\nGeorgia Tech.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's the, stories are so amazing. I mean, it's just one after the other\nafter the other about Atlanta history and plant, and just what was. What your\nfamily has been involved in with the whole story, the Jewish story and the\ngeneral story of Atlanta and the growth. I mean it is truly amazing. Okay, so\ngetting back to your mother, she attended ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NAPS, which is North Avenue . . .\n\nSUGARMAN: Presbyterian School.\n\nBERMAN: Both of those, so NAPS and Washington Seminary merged to form\nWestminster. I just wanted that to be on the tape. Where were your parents\nactive with the temple crowd? Were they active members?\n\nSUGARMAN: You know, my parents . . . were just not social beings. 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On the weekends, we were up at the lake and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my\nparents had a few close friends, but they were not in the social scene. That\njust wasn't their thing.\n\nBERMAN: Did you attend Sunday School?\n\nSUGARMAN: Yes, I always attended Sunday school. We, like all the other families\ninitially had a Christmas tree and we started, my mother tells the story. 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We didn't light Shabbat candles.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you celebrate Hanukkah and Christmas or mainly Christmas?\n\nSUGARMAN: By the time we got to Sunday school, we celebrated Hanukkah and\nChristmas. We started out one year we would do Hanukkah, one year we would do\nChristmas. I remember my friend from across the street coming and knocking on\nthe door and saying, is this a Christmas year or Hanukkah? Then my sister and I\ndeclared, no more Christmas trees. 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She bought this little Christmas\ntree like this and brought it over and put it in Jean's room and put presents\nunder it so that she could have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Christmas, because obviously, she grew up with\nChristmas. They didn't. There was no religion at The Temple then. When I went to\nSunday school, when I went to The Temple, the only Hebrew we had or knew was the\nShamar and Angelo Haney. We could sing and Callaway knew there was no other\nHebrew in the services.\n\nBERMAN: Even after ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jack Rothchild came. He became very involved in the civil\nrights movement. How did, did your parents ever discuss the fact that he was\nkind of pushing the congregation in that direction and the fear that they might\nbecome targets themselves, the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish community will become a target.\n\nSUGARMAN: I never heard that discussed. My parents were very liberal also and\nfelt that segregation was wrong, and segregation of the schools was wrong.\n\nBERMAN: Stop for one second, could you? 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My mother was very involved in this, right now I can't\nthink of the name, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was an international visitors program and people would\ncome to Atlanta . We had these two gentlemen from Kenya and the one walked in\nwith his . . . What do you call that thing?\n\nBERMAN: Staff or . . . ?\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah, like a staff, whatever ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and keep a skin cape, whatever, anyway.\nWe were sure he was Jomo Kenyatta because he looked just like him. There was no\nconflict with . . . To back up, you know, because my grandparents lived through\nthe Leo ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Frank episode, they were terrified of of speaking out. Not Harry. Harry\nwas gone by then. When was Leo Frank?\n\nBERMAN: 1913 to 1915.\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay. That's not right. No, never mind. My mother was born in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1916. I\nnever heard any discussion about fear, about standing up. It was this was right\nand this was what you stood up for.\n\nBERMAN: Do you remember where you were when the temple was bombed?\n\nSUGARMAN: Uh huh.\n\nBERMAN: Can you describe that?\n\nSUGARMAN: My parents were out of town and I was at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the house with our maid Marie\nand my younger sister Jean, and we got a phone call on Sunday morning. Janice\ndoesn't remember this, but I remember it distinctly. The phone rings and I\nanswer it and it's Janice, and she says, \"Don't bring Jean to Sunday school this\nmorning, The Temple's been bombed.\" What did I think? 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Rivers\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"School. When I was in kindergarten and my sister was, would have been in seventh\ngrade, E. Rivers School burned. There was no place for anybody to go to school.\nThe Temple offered the Sunday school, the Temple Spring Street School. I can't\nremember all the different places, but I do definitely remember that The Temple\nhoused two grades from E. Rivers. Fast forward when The Temple was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bombed, E.\nRiver School held Sunday school there.\n\nBERMAN: That's great.\n\nBERMAN: I want to get to a little bit about your dad and his career at Montag.\nHow did he end up working for them?\n\nSUGARMAN: The Montag's were, it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was, Harald Montag was head of Montag's and\nHarold Montag's wife. Rhea was my grandmother, Helen's niece. They were very\nclose. They were, again, it was the generation difference, so they were closer\nin age. It was her niece and the family, you know, the families were all close\nthen. That's who you were. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My daddy, he'd go into Georgia [University of\nGeorgia] and he finished Georgia. The year before, my mother finished Georgia.\nHe worked for another person that they knew at the Jack's Pants Factory,\nwhatever, in the state of Georgia, anyway. They lived in Athens [Georgia] and\nthen they moved to Atlanta. My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father and his father, I mean, they had a a kind\nof a difficult relationship. I can say, they're all gone. My father was not\ngoing into the Laundry. I don't know if that was his decision or my\ngrandfather's decision. I don't know. Here was Montag's, this basically family\nbusiness, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and my father was . . . [he] had a degree in, I forgot and whatever.\nAnyway, he was an engineer, whatever. Anyway, he was hired, so he got a job at\nMontag's, basically as like the office boy. Then he became, obviously, he worked\nhis way up and he was head of the office and then he eventually ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was head of\nmanufacturing. He was vice president of manufacturing. He ran the entire plant.\nThe building at that point was down on Marietta Street, on the railroad tracks.\nMy father would never take me there because he said the rats were bigger than I\nwas. Because he ran the factory, they had, I'll never forget this, aDT was their\nalarm system, and ADT would call ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all hours of the night that the alarm had gone\noff, with the alarm going off. Sure, there were rats running around all over the\nplace and my father would have to get up and go down to the factory. My father\nprobably learned from his father. He was all business. Everything was., he went\nto bed early because he had to get up early to go and open the factory. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They\nwanted to get out of that location. My father found this property on Highland\nAvenue, on the railroad tracks, which was this big open space where actually\nRingling Brothers, every year would come. The train would pull up and they would\nset up the big top there. That's where Ringling Brothers Circus would perform.\nMontag's bought the property and the last year ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that the circus was there, my\nparents got tickets for the very last performance of the circus and we went to\nthe last performance. I remember seeing Gargantua in the cage in the, what do\nyou call it? The midway? There was the circus then . . . after the circus was\nover, we stayed and we watched them take down the big top for the last time. You\nknow how they take down the big ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"top? They get the elephants and the elephants\nwrap their trunk around these big humongous tall poles that are holding up the\ntent and they pull the poles out and that's how they take down the tent. My\nparents, I mean, I guess my daddy, they were always doing those kinds of things,\nseeing things that were historical. When I was a teenager, I remember one Sunday\nmorning there was an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"article in the Atlanta paper about the monastery in Conyers\n[Georgia]. That I think that Trappist monks, I can't remember, they had spent\nyears building this monastery and they were getting ready to close it. That day\nthey were going to be open to the public and you could come and tour the\nmonastery. My mother says, \"Would you like to go?\" And I said, \"Sure.\" We drove\nout there and we waited in the longest line you could ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ever imagine. The monks\nwere given special dispensation that day. They're a silent . . .\n\nBERMAN: Order.\n\nSUGARMAN: Thank you. Order! But they were allowed to speak, and they, when we\ntoured inside of the monastery and saw . . . [we] could not believe that these\ngentlemen had built this entire structure. It was just amazing . . . and saw the\ncells where they lived. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe she got that from, she probably got that from\nHarry Silverman.\n\nBERMAN: Probably. Your father, he stayed his whole career with Montag right?\n\nSUGARMAN: Yes. He, so they built the new plant on Highland Avenue and it was the\nlargest paper converting factory, I think, I want to say in the world. They\nwould buy ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paper from the paper mills. It was these big rolls, big, huge rolls\nand they would convert them into school supplies, notebook paper and notebooks.\nThey had a lot of different logos. Then at some point, they decided instead of\nbeing so scattered, they would select one logo and they would put all of their,\ndirect all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their marketing and everything to that one logo. Everett's\ngrandfather, Sam Sugarman, who also worked for Montag's, he was a salesman. He\nsuggested that it be the blue horse and so it was always that. It was Montag's\nblue horse school supplies. They had these contests, you could collect the blue\nhorses from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything that you would buy. With so many you could get a notebook\nand so many more. You could get something else if you got however many. You\ncould get a bicycle, but not if you were a family member. They also, so they\nconverted these big rolls of paper because my daddy would bring home when they\nwould get down to the bottom there was just a little bit on the roll and they\ncouldn't use it in the machinery. He would bring it home. We use those for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"shelf\npaper and wrapping paper. When I use the last roll, probably when I was married,\nI was so sad that I had no more of that paper. They also made stationery.\n\nBERMAN: We have a lot of boxes of that.\n\nSUGARMAN: Yes. Yes.\n\nBERMAN: Did they eventually just sell out to it?\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay so Harold and Maria had one daughter, Elaine and Elaine married\nBud Weiss [sp], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who was working for Montag's, and he subsequently became\npresident because that's the way it was done. Subsequent to that, Elaine and Bud\ngot divorced. Harold, who was a formidable person, decided without telling\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anybody. All of Montag's was like a family. They were mostly Jewish. There were\na lot of people that were related a lot, and they all work together. Harold,\nwithout telling anyone, decided to sell the company because he wasn't going to\nleave it to Bud. He sold it to Champion Paper, which was it was located in North\nCarolina. We used to go up ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. They were the paper mill. They made the, it's\na big roll. It was a very, but it was to be, they were going to keep it was\ngoing to continue to run as it had, as its own entity. Well, P.S., Edward and I\nhave a disagreement about this. I remember that the head of Champion was driving\ndown the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"road and somebody was stopped because they had a flat tire and he got\nout to help them and he was killed. Edwards says he was killed in the plane\ncrash, too. Then Champion didn't have its leader, and Champion sold out to Mead,\nwhich was a big [group], they could care less about Montag's and what Montag's\ndid. Here's daddy running the plant. They also had, by this time, they had\nopened a plant in Texas, which ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"daddy had opened, and Mead started decided that\nall their plants should all run alike. They used to send machines down to daddy.\nDaddy would say, \"I can't use this machine. This machine is no good.\" He put up\nwith this and then he just he just couldn't take it. He did that in his early\n1950s. Lots of people came to him and wanted him to come to work and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he just,\nthat was it.\n\nBERMAN: The Montag story is an amazing one. Do you know we have the blue horse\nhere, a mechanical blue horse?\n\nSUGARMAN: Oh, right.\n\nBERMAN: From where the salesman used to take it to for promotions.\n\nSUGARMAN: What size is it?\n\nBERMAN: It's like a giant horse that you, a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mechanical blue horse like they used\nto have outside stores.\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah, right.\n\nBERMAN: A blue . . .\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: It will be in the exhibit.\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay, good.\n\nBERMAN: I wanted to spend a moment. I have so many questions speaking about your\ndad's sister.\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: Talk about an adventurous spirit. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did that come to pass? To be a\nflier of World War, to serve air service pilot, all of that.\n\nSUGARMAN: Okay, I'll tell you something interesting. When my father and Evelyn\nwere young. My grandfather, who had come from Lithuania and made a big success\nand had money. He was very interested in the world. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He always subscribed to\nNational Geographic magazine and read it cover to cover and was interested in\nthese places. When the Panama Canal opened, they went down to the Panama Canal,\nand they flew in a plane. I swear this is true. I always thought that that's\nwhen Evelyn got the bug about flying when she was in high school. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She wanted to\ntake flying lessons. Her parents, of course, said absolutely not. The story is\nthat when my daddy turned 16, he got a car. When my aunt turned 16, she got a\ndiamond ring. She wanted a car. She was really, she took the diamond ring and\nhocked it. [She] paid for flying lessons unbeknownst to her parents. She learned\nto ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fly. I guess when the war came along, she volunteered for Jacklyn Cochran's\nfirst class of WASP, Women's . . .\n\nBERMAN: Air Service.\n\nSUGARMAN: Thank you. Women's. Their job was to fly the planes from the factories\nto the ports where they would be flown overseas ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the war. The thing about the\nWASP's was that the pilots, the Air Force and the Navy pilots would be trained\nto fly one plane, but the WASP had to fly all the different planes. I think\nbefore that, she was in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Civil Air Patrol and then she became a WASP. Then\nafter the war, she came back to Atlanta and Butch Hillman Haran [sp], who whom\nshe later married, was at the airport. He had, he lived and he grew up in\nHapeville [Georgia] and he was always at the airport. After school, he would ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go\nto the airport and hang around and he'd watch the people and he learned how to\ndo anything mechanical. He could fix anything mechanical and so he and Evelyn\nhooked up. This was when the GI Bill had been started and pilots, people were\ncoming back from service and they wanted to learn to fly. So Evelyn Butch wanted\nto start a flying school. There were a bunch of flying schools that started ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and\nthey just, they wanted to incorporate . . . They went to the bank and they\nwanted to borrow money to purchase a plane. The banker said, well, he actually\nhad a, but no. They said they were looking for a plane so the banker calls Butch\nand he says, \"I got a plane for you.\" And Butch says, \"Oh, great, fine, I'll\ncome see it. Where ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is it?\" He says, \"It's up in a tree.\" The tree, the plane\nthat crashed into a tree, and the person had walked away from it and the bank\nnow owned the plane. Butch goes out and he looks at the planes and says, \"Yeah,\nI can get that down from there. I can make it fly.\" So he does. Then my\ngrandfather says to them, \"You've got to incorporate because if something\nhappens, I don't want them coming after me.\" They go to a lawyer and they want\nto incorporate ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the lawyer says, \"Okay, how much money do you have?\" They\nsaid they had $200. They said,\" And what's your address?\" They said, \"Well, we\noperate out of the trunk of everyone's car. We got a typewriter, we got this,\nthat and the other, whatever.\" I don't know what address they use. So anyway, he\nincorporated them and they got a post office box and they go to get the mail.\nThe first piece of mail in the post office box is a letter, a bill from the\nattorney. He wanted $200 for incorporating ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them. They opened their flying\nschool. I've forgotten how many flying schools there were. After a certain\nperiod of time, they were the only one that was left. They also started a, they\ngot to a hangar and they started storing planes and refueling planes. They had\nquite a business going at the Atlanta airport, Candler ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Field at that point.\n\nBERMAN: It was even after the war. It was still unusual for a Jewish woman to\nmarry someone who wasn't Jewish.\n\nSUGARMAN: They didn't marry for years. They didn't marry until after both my\ngrandparents were dead.\n\nBERMAN: That's why?\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah.\n\nBERMAN: But it was also very unusual for a Jewish woman to be a flier. Was she\nthe only one in the WASP class? Do you know that first class of women ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fliers?\n\nSUGARMAN: I don't know for sure. It's something we could look up. I would\nprobably imagine so.\n\nBERMAN: Did she ever talk about any antisemitism that she experienced?\n\nSUGARMAN: No, because she was the most a-religious person. I mean. She never,\nI'm sure she never. 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My mother, her parents took her out of Sunday school, sent her to the\nChristian scientist because one of the aunts, that Mama Helen had lived with had\nbecome Christian ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"scientists.\n\nBERMAN: It was very vogue back in that part time period. Did your mom ever talk\nabout at Westminster, well, at NAPS or any antisemitism that she experienced.\nDid she feel included?\n\nSUGARMAN: She never talk about any antisemitism. 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One in particular she\ntalked about because she didn't go to Sunday school, she felt a little bit out\nthe Jewish [community]. She said that there, it was almost like that there was a\ncrowd above her and there wasn't really that much of a crowd her ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"age. It was all\nin, everything was in crowds that that she talked about. When she went to the\nUniversity of Georgia, she wanted to join a non-Jewish sorority because she\ndidn't feel like she had anything in common with the . . . I'm going to say the\nword girls in the Jewish sororities. 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Westminster wasn't any\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different to me. There were . . .\n\nBERMAN: How did the other students treat you?\n\nSUGARMAN: Because I started Westminster in the 10th grade, I felt like I was\ncompletely out of it because they had this history, even though a lot of my\nclassmates had gone to Rivers with me and I knew them. 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There were also other students at\nWestminster in my class that were not part of that social group, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they\nweren't part of it either. It wasn't a fact that I was Jewish, although we did\nhave, I mean the famous. Christian emphasis week speaker who asked everybody who\naccepted Jesus Christ to stand up. Interestingly, I told you there were three of\nus. The one person, the one Jewish person stood up. The other one and I just\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stayed seated. I didn't think it was, it was just the way things were. I didn't\nthink it was all that terrible. Everybody makes such a big deal over how\nhorrible it was. Yeah, I guess it was, but that's the way things were.\n\nBERMAN: I wanted to change tracks a little bit and talk about. Something that I\nask ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"most memoirist about growing up in the South. That's about the black help\nthat you had in the home and the relationship with the help. Did you also have\nhelp growing up in the home?\n\nSUGARMAN: Always.\n\nBERMAN: Especially with . . . your parents always probably remembered having\nhelp or were those relationships maintained? 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My father's family kept up with Annie way past the time that she\nworked for them, and I think probably sent her money. I don't honestly know what\nhappened to, because my grandfather lost the business, and they lost the home\nand they moved into a rental home further down the street so they . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't\nknow what happened to their help. We never had a separate toilet for the help.\nWe didn't have separate dishes or glasses for the help. I would, the friend who\ncame and wanted to know if we were celebrating Christmas or Hanukkah that year.\nI would eat at her house. 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I mean, that's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like a picture that we'll never forget. I can\nremember watching and helping and having the maid teach me how to make biscuits,\nwhich she would roll out the dough on the counter and then take off, take a\njuice glass and press out the biscuits. We were, there was always great respect\nfor the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"help. We were taught they were human beings.\n\nBERMAN: Was there any, as things started to change, and integration began and\nthe marches and all of that and Selma to Montgomery . . . I mean, I know Atlanta\nintegrated fairly peacefully. Were there any discussions in the home about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what\nyou could do to help the situation or how you, your family might get involved in change?\n\nSUGARMAN: My mother was involved with HOPE. My father was working. That was his\npurview. I was a teenager. I was, it all went . . . we went with Temple ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sinai a\nfew years ago with Billy Planer to Montgomery [Alabama], to the to the museums\nand to Selma [Alabama] and walked across the bridge and then to Birmingham\n[Alabama]. I was totally fascinated by all of this and all the history and every\nbecause I lived through it, but I was living my own life. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My sister was 15 and a difficult person, and she spent the\nentire summer in her bunk smoking. She came home and told my grandparents that\nmy grandparents had sent us to camp and so my grandparents wouldn't send me\nback. I went to Skylark in North Georgia.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also, a nice camp.\n\nSUGARMAN: Not so much by comparison.\n\nBERMAN: Now I'm moving up into your year later. How did you meet your husband .\n. . ?\n\nSUGARMAN: Again, Edward's father went to dental school, opened his practice. His\nfather was at Montag's. My father was at Montag's. 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He came home from college and he needed a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"date for a\nweekend. He asked Bryce Lamberg, who then was the general dentist. Edward's\nfather had already specialized in periodontist, so he didn't treat me. He asked\nBryce. He said he needed a date. Who should take out? And he said, \"Oh, you\nshould call Beth Greenblatt.\" So that's . . .\n\nBERMAN: The rest is history.\n\nSUGARMAN: That's right.\n\nBERMAN: What year did you get married?\n\nSUGARMAN: 1963.\n\nBERMAN: How many children do you have?\n\nSUGARMAN: We have three children. Their names. 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I had to get that in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. Right, refresh my memory. What was the question?\n\nBERMAN: NCJW.\n\nSUGARMAN: Oh, NCJW. Okay, so after I graduated that fall, I get invited to a new\nmember team by the National Council of Jewish Women. I still remember whose\nhouse it was that and I show up because this is what young married . . . I came\nto find out later, young married reform ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish women did. I had no idea at that\npoint that it was just reformed. I went to the tea and I joined and, I just I\nstarted doing volunteer jobs. That was my, I played a little mahjong with, that\nwas the other thing that young married . . . but it really didn't, that really\ndidn't appeal to me. I went more towards the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"volunteer.\n\nBERMAN: What drew you? What projects and NCJW drew you in?\n\nSUGARMAN: You know, it was just the organization for Jewish women to be able to\nbecome involved in the city and to be able to . . . We had this strong you make\nthe world a better place and you take care of people that are that aren't able\nto take care of themselves ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and less fortunate and that . . . My mother had been\npresident when I was living at home. After I left Newark [New Jersey] for my\nsecond year I was living at home before I got married and she was president, and\nI would get all these phone calls.\n\nBERMAN: Oh.\n\nSUGARMAN: I knew a lot of what the organization was doing. That was just, I\nwasn't as opposed to my sister who went out. She got out of Atlanta as fast as\nshe could ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and became very worldly. I was much more of a you don't you just\nfollow the tried-and-true path.\n\nBERMAN: Did you have any leadership roles in NCJW? Were you an officer?\n\nSUGARMAN: I had all kinds of [roles. I did all kinds of jobs. Then I was all\nkinds of chairman. Then I was all . . . every officer I did I edited the\nbulletin. 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I\nmean, we had and this was it opened before I became president, but it was all\nconsuming as I was president. It was in an old home which Judith and Mark Taylor\nfamily had made available for us, and they helped us with the renovations, which\nwere extensive. It was on three levels. We ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had people with mobility issues we\nput in a chairlift so that they could get up and down the stairs. That was fine\nuntil the chairlift would go out and then, don't ask. One of the, as I said, it\nwas an old house. We had bees. We had bees in the walls. We would hire people to\ncome and get the bees out and the bees would come back. Every year the bees\nwould come back. I remember going over there with Edward on a Sunday. I mean,\nand the beekeeper got out I don't know ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how many hundreds of pounds of honey.\nSomebody finally did get rid of the bees, but it was just, it was one thing\nafter another.\n\nBERMAN: Where was the house?\n\nSUGARMAN: It was on Markham Drive off of Rock Springs. It had been the Taylor\nfamily home. Then someone else from the family had to live there. 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Eventually was able to secure an endowment from the\nCohen family and we built the new facility which, so we ran it as volunteers,\nand then we finally we hired a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5670.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"director. It was . . . the person who kept it\nrunning again was the cook and the housekeeper. I mean. I can't remember her\nname right now, but, which is terrible. That was very time consuming. We also\nhad an attention home in Cobb County that had been started. 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Temporary housing. When mothers\ndelivered, probably at Grady, and they had probably just shown up at Grady to\ndeliver and we would take . . . the ticket to get into Genesis shelter was a\nnewborn ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5850.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"baby. The newborn baby would come with its mother. It might come with\nits mother and its father. In instances, it came with its father. The mother,\nyeah, sometimes it was the mother and the grandmother. Many, most times there\nwere siblings. It was, it was quite an undertaking and quite a . . . It wasn't\njust a shelter. 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She got up and she\ngot dressed and they said they worked with her and got her a job at McDonald's.\nThen she became a manager at McDonald's and then she and another mother that\nwere also at Genesis, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=5970.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they made enough money that they could move into an\napartment together. She was such a success story. She brought back and the child\nthat had been born there came back and spoke. This was really impacting lives.\nThis was changing lives. We raised a lot of money to convert a building that The\nTemple owned on that property. 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Our role was to identify, meet an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unmet need in the\ncommunity, come up with a solution, create a pilot program, and then spin it off\nand hopefully have it replicated. Genesis was taken over a few years ago by our\nhouse in Decatur, which dealt with homeless populations. I mean, it's still on\nits ongoing and strong and wonderful. The Cohen Home is ongoing, strong and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wonderful.\n\nBERMAN: That's quite a legacy. Yeah. Quite a legacy. Are you still active within NCJW?\n\nSUGARMAN: I moved on. I worked with the Louis Kahn home for years, and I worked\nwith the with Genesis for years, getting it up and running. 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That's another\ntrue success story, not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6150.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because of us, for me, but it's just it was in a\nterrible neighborhood in terrible disrepair. It had a lot of vandalism, and a\ngroup came together, I think. Probably started by the Junior League and created\nthis Historic Oakland foundation and raised money. 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Because I don't want ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6210.0,6240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to . . .\" Great, so we'll\ngo to Arlington because that's the up-and-coming cemetery in Atlanta. We go to\nArlington, and we buy lots together and Arlington it just gets worse and worse\nand worse. My father's cremains were buried at Arlington, and then my mother, by\nthis time, Historic Oakland, was the neighborhood was gentrified. 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I loved working\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6270.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on that at Oakland because it combined my love of history and my love of\ngardening and it was, as opposed to the Jewish volunteering that I did, which\nwas I always . . . I felt I didn't see NCJW, the national instigator, not the\nlocal in siege, but I always felt was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6300.0,6330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very political. The Federation was\npolitical and Historic Oakland was just people that wanted to be there to make\nthis place better. There was no ego involved. It was wonderful.\n\nBERMAN: Your cousin Mendel used to give tours.\n\nSUGARMAN: That's right. He did.\n\nBERMAN: I went on one.\n\nSUGARMAN: Did you?\n\nBERMAN: Yes. I think we've pretty much covered everything. 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In the beginning, let me think back to\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6360.0,6390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"beginning. It was just, it was like great fear. My kids would not come into\nmy house. They were terrified they were going to make us, you know, my daughter\nwould say, \"I don't want to kill you.\" They only started coming into my house\nvery, very recently. Now, my son Jeffrey and his wife Shannon are both\nphysicians, so they were vaccinated very early. Their kids are young. They\nhaven't been vaccinated yet, although ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6390.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ella is now eligible, and she may have\nbeen. I haven't talked to them about it this week. We would go over to Jeffrey.\nJeffrey, the year before, he had built this big outdoor room, which I thought\nwas the craziest thing I had ever seen. Why are you doing this? Well, thank God\nthey did this because we would get together in this great outdoor room that was\ncovered. So and he had heaters and he had fans in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6420.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"summertime and we could\nstay distanced from each other and with masks on. We could see them. My daughter\nPam would grocery shop for us. I mean, I would order stuff and then, you know,\nstand at the front door and wipe everything down, whatever, whatever. Everybody\nwas . . . 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I\nwas going somewhere, but I forgot where.\n\nBERMAN: You were talking about the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6510.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"summer home in Maine.\n\nSUGARMAN: It was before the summer home in Maine that I was going to say\nsomething about COVID. I don't know what it was. Oh, I know what it was. We\ngenerally would go to Maine for the summer, and we'd come home for high holidays\nto be with the family. 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I mean, when I first got a hug from a grandchild a few\nweeks ago, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6570.0,6600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was just the best. I have to tell you this about Nate. Nate is our\nyoungest grandchild. He's six. He's five. I say to Nate, \"Nate, do you know what\nI just read? He says, \"What?\" I said, \"I just read that if you're masked and I'm\nmasked, you can hug me around the knees.\" He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6600.0,6630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"says, he throws his arms up and he\nsays, and he starts running away from me and he says, \"Germy, germy, germy.\"\n\nBERMAN: That's great.\n\nSUGARMAN: I don't, I did enjoy being out of the rat race. Absolutely. I loved\nnot being in traffic because that's the way things are in Maine. I resent, now I\ngo places like, where did all these ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=6630.0,6660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/transcript/41483/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people come from? I don't know how we're\ngoing to . . . what our lives will be like. From here forward, I think they'll\nbe a little different.\n\nBERMAN: think we've all reassessed.\n\nSUGARMAN: Yeah, exactly.\n\nBERMAN: On that note, I think we'll conclude. Thank you so much, Beth. 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The Breman also contains the Cuba Family Archives for Southern Jewish History, which houses thousands of manuscripts, oral histories, and photograph collections, related to southern Jewish history and the Holocaust. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/annotation_set/963/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eEmory University Hospital is a hospital located in Atlanta, Georgia, affiliated with Emory Healthcare.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/annotation_set/963/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Confederate States Army (CSA) was the military ground force of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/85725/file/173886/annotation_set/963/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eA small group of sailors who sailed goods in and out of Southern seaports under the guns of Northern ships. 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In 1905, it was reorganized as the “Standard Club” and moved into the former mansion of William C. Sanders near the site of Center Parc Credit Union Stadium (formerly Turner Field). In the late 1920s the club moved to Ponce de Leon Avenue in Midtown Atlanta. Later, the club moved to what is now the Lenox Park business park and was located there until 1983. 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