{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/j678s4mb0p/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Penso, Irving RE: Rosalind Penso Cohen"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["UNKNOWN (captured)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Penso, Irving (Interviewee)","Feinberg, Susan (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum","Esther and Herbert Taylor Jewish Oral History Project of Atlanta","Jewish Women of Achievement"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIrving Penso was interviewed by Susan Feinberg about his sister Rosalind Penso Cohen at an unknown date in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e (general)","\u003cp\u003eIrving Penso (1946-2019), younger brother to Rosalind Penso Cohen (1944-1984) is from Atlanta, Georgia. He attended Morningside Elementary and Grady High School and went on to attend Georgia State University where he studied English. Irving joined the Peace Corps in 1968 where he served in the Minas Gerais region of Brazil. Upon his return from Brazil, Irving spent the rest of his life in numerous teaching and administrative positions in ELS Language Centers in Atlanta. Irving met his wife Jan at ELS and together they shared 39 years of marriage and raised two daughters, Becca and Lillia.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIrving and Rosalind (Roz) have a younger brother, Elliott, who later marries Pescha Penso.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e Rosalind Penso Cohen (1944-1984) was a native Atlantan and Vanderbilt graduate in art history. She served as President of the National Council of Jewish Women and was involved in grassroots political efforts for Wyche Fowler, who was elected for City Council 1973. In 1980 Roz was named as one of the 'Ten Outstanding Women in Atlanta.\" She was instrumental in establishing the Louis Kahn Group Home and was a member of Leadership Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eIrving Penso details memories of his older sister, Rosalind Penso Cohen, following her life from grade school through adulthood. Growing up as the middle child, Irving recalls his older sister’s love for Florence, Italy, local and national politics, caring for her family, and her death.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eRosalind, called Roz, grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, where she was known as a bright student, a progressive political advocate, and an active volunteer by her peers and family. She was a graduate of Vanderbilt University and the President of the National Council of Jewish Women. Following graduation, she visited Florence, Italy and spent two years volunteering in flood restoration efforts. Following her return to the United States, Roz worked on numerous political campaigns, most notably as the office manager for Wyche Fowler’s successful campaign for President of Atlanta City Council in 1973. Though her illness eventually overcame her in 1984, she was surrounded by love, joy, laughter, and the company of her brothers Irving and Elliott, and her sister-in-law Pescha.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/29274"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Cohen, Rosalind Penso (1944-1984) (personal name)","Fowler, Wyche (1940-) (personal name)","McGovern, George (1922-2012) (personal name)","National Council of Jewish Women (corporate name)","Penso, Elliot (personal name)","Penso, Irving (1946-2019) (personal name)","Penso, Pescha (personal name)","Vanderbilt University (corporate name)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIrving Penso was interviewed by Susan Feinberg about his sister Rosalind Penso Cohen at an unknown date in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eIrving Penso (1946-2019), younger brother to Rosalind Penso Cohen (1944-1984) is from Atlanta, Georgia. He attended Morningside Elementary and Grady High School and went on to attend Georgia State University where he studied English. Irving joined the Peace Corps in 1968 where he served in the Minas Gerais region of Brazil. Upon his return from Brazil, Irving spent the rest of his life in numerous teaching and administrative positions in ELS Language Centers in Atlanta. Irving met his wife Jan at ELS and together they shared 39 years of marriage and raised two daughters, Becca and Lillia.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIrving and Rosalind (Roz) have a younger brother, Elliott, who later marries Pescha Penso.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;Rosalind Penso Cohen (1944-1984) was a native Atlantan and Vanderbilt graduate in art history. She served as President of the National Council of Jewish Women and was involved in grassroots political efforts for Wyche Fowler, who was elected for City Council 1973. In 1980 Roz was named as one of the 'Ten Outstanding Women in Atlanta.\" She was instrumental in establishing the Louis Kahn Group Home and was a member of Leadership Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eIrving Penso details memories of his older sister, Rosalind Penso Cohen, following her life from grade school through adulthood. Growing up as the middle child, Irving recalls his older sister\u0026rsquo;s love for Florence, Italy, local and national politics, caring for her family, and her death.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eRosalind, called Roz, grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, where she was known as a bright student, a progressive political advocate, and an active volunteer by her peers and family. She was a graduate of Vanderbilt University and the President of the National Council of Jewish Women. Following graduation, she visited Florence, Italy and spent two years volunteering in flood restoration efforts. Following her return to the United States, Roz worked on numerous political campaigns, most notably as the office manager for Wyche Fowler\u0026rsquo;s successful campaign for President of Atlanta City Council in 1973. Though her illness eventually overcame her in 1984, she was surrounded by love, joy, laughter, and the company of her brothers Irving and Elliott, and her sister-in-law Pescha.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Penso__Irving_RE_Rosalind_Penso_Cohen.mp3"]},"duration":1391.75184,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-thebreman.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/227/906/original/Penso__Irving_RE_Rosalind_Penso_Cohen.mp3?1707884000","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1391.75184,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Penso, Irving [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Feinberg: I'm interviewing Irving Penso for the National Council of Jewish\nWomen American Jewish Committee Oral History Project, with regard to Roz Penso\nCohen. Let's just start talking a little bit about Roz in terms of what you\nfirst remember as a young child, you being the older of the two brothers.\n\nPenso: . . .Going back in time and thinking about Roz, it's hard to, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"imagine,\nfirst of all, when she wasn't there when we were growing up. I sort of envision\nher as an older sister -- even though we were kids at the time -- who helped\ntake care of us, took care of me, was very bright, did well in school, and\nsmiled a lot. We had our fights ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and disagreements, but for the most part, I\nthink we got along quite well. She was certainly a caring person when she was\nyounger, and it showed in the relationships she had with her siblings.\n\nFeinberg: What was the age difference. . . between the two of you?\n\nPenso: Two years.\n\nFeinberg: Any anecdotes that you particularly remember, talking about the caring\nor the older ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sister type? Any particular [anecdotes about] taking you by the\nhand to school or does anything come to mind?\n\nPenso: I can't think of any one particular anecdote. I do know there was a sense\nof trust and protection with her. She let me go with her to her friends' house,\nwhich was always a drag to have your little brother along, but she didn't seem\nto mind too ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much. There was a lot of laughter and singing. Not just because of\nher, but because of the atmosphere established in our home by our parents. I\nthink that, like I said, there was this sense of warmth [and] I felt like she\nwas there when I needed her and I wasn't afraid.\n\nFeinberg: Do you. . . Is there anything that you remember with regard to\nfollowing Roz in school, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"being two years apart? I'm sure that you probably went\nto the same school and had a lot of the same teachers.\n\nPenso: In some cases, when one sibling is better at academics than another it\ncan leave a person feeling inferior. Even though Roz's academic ability preceded\nmine going into those grades, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and people would say: \"Oh, you're Roz Penso's\nbrother\", it was never in bad taste. I felt her being intelligent and making all\nA's all the way through high school, elementary school, and doing well at\nVanderbilt [University]. [Her successes] never made people compare me to her\nbecause she was never pretentious about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. She certainly was a very bright\nperson, but never [a show-off]. That made it easier for me once I became a\nstudent of a teacher who had had her. They just remembered good things about\nher, not that she was a show-off. And so, they didn't expect me to [memoirist\nand interviewer laugh] [indistinct 3:51] because I had a hard time doing it anyway.\n\nFeinberg: When you think about Roz and her many ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"causes when she was an adult,\ndoes anything come to mind, like in high school? Were there particular\norganizations that she was involved in? When did this intense concern about\ncauses and organizations come to [light]?\n\nPenso: It first became apparent to me when Roz was in eighth or ninth grade. 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I know she went to\nFlorence [Italy], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but in your mind, what happened during those years?\n\nPenso: Preceding her trip to Florence? One thing was that Roz developed an\nincredibly strong network of friends, and it wasn't that she was the center, but\nshe was one that everybody knew. It was very unintentional. I think it was just\nher ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"personality and the way she responded to others in this very caring,\nnurturing way that people, in turn, responded to her. Along with her academic\nexperiences, she had these social interactions that were incredibly valuable to\nher. She established this during her four years at Vanderbilt. And . . . 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Certain people like Mike Marshman and\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mary Byrnes -- these are names that I'm throwing out now that I remember growing\nup and knowing -- Frank Leoni. These are people that she met as a freshman -- a\n\"freshwoman\". Their friendship never died even after they graduated, in fact, it\ngot even more intense through the separation. So I think she took these things\nwith her when she went to Florence. 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Especially since she worked so hard ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and worked so hard\nthroughout her professional school career. But she probably deserved it. I know\nthey were very proud of her, always very proud of her, but they didn't dote on\nit. They didn't go around bragging about it.\n\nPenso: I think when she volunteered to go to Florence and help with restoration\nafter the flood they thought, well [that was Roz]. 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We were so\nignorant, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not in a mean way, but just in the not knowing type of way. We were\nsaying, well, how could you like Italy more than the United States? We'd go\naround the house saying, \"Rosalind really hates Italy, she loves the United\nStates.\" Elliot and I would make these recordings saying, \"USA, yes, and Italy,\nno.\" It was only [until] I left the country two years later to go to Brazil,\nthat I realized that [the United States] is not the only place in the world. 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So I think, our reaction was [that] it was\nhard to take that she was going to be leaving us, but it was out of love, not\nout of jealousy that we felt that way.\n\nFeinberg: So she came back and what happened then?\n\nPenso: It was obvious that she had fallen in love with Italy and the people\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. She spent more time developing her Italian, and I believe she took\ncourses at Emory University, all in preparation for going back. She told us\nabout her first love, who was a Carabinieri, and she had a little doll that he'd\ngiven her. His name was -- I forget what. And I think we were beginning to see\nthat Roz was breaking away from the family, but not leaving the family. She ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was\nbasically striking out on her own and developing herself in other ways. As she\nprepared to go back to Italy, it was hard [to realize] that she had found\nanother love in her life. We had not seen that particular love, so it was hard\nfor us to accept it, but we did.\n\nFeinberg: She was there for how long?\n\nPenso: I believe she was there, after she went back, for another ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"two to\ntwo-and-a-half years.\n\nFeinberg: When she came back, did she did she live at home?\n\nPenso: She lived at home. Despite the fact that Roz and I both were world\ntravelers, we still came back to live with our parents, which was always hard\nfor our friends to understand. I think the economics, but also the emotional\nties, made it okay for us. At times it was hard, but it seemed to work out okay.\nShe came back, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it was in 1970 or 1971, and she began working for the\nGeorge McGovern Presidential Campaign and quickly became one of the main\ncoordinators for some aspect of the campaign. So she involved herself, she\nwasn't the kind of person who would sit home and watch television.\n\nFeinberg: What was her first job when she came back? Was [that role] volunteer\nor was it paid?\n\nPenso: I believe so. 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She probably would\nhave increased her involvement. She would have probably taken more time to be\nwith her children. Although she was somehow miraculously -- just like I'm sure\nyou were able to do -- able to work it in with everything else she was doing. I\ndon't think she would have stopped looking for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"new things to do or searching for\nnew ways to express herself. I think, once again, that network of friends would\nhave been increasing and strengthening a lot.\n\nFeinberg: Did she ever talk to you about running for public office?\n\nPenso: She never did. I don't know if Roz had the desire to be put in the public\nspotlight. 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Even though she would have certainly been\nqualified for [some position], or for consideration in some capacity, I think\nshe would have put her family first and seen that it would have taken away too\nmuch time from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/transcript/64586/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"her husband, her children, and the rest of her family.\n\nPenso: That would have been a sacrifice for her. So I think it would have been\nsomething that she would have smiled at, but would not have actually gone\nthrough with. But she would have done other things.\n\nFeinberg: To personalize just a little bit, I'm real curious, I've asked Elliot\nand Andrew the same question. 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They strive to improve the quality of life for women, children, and families.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/annotation_set/1289/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eVanderbilt University is a highly-competitive, private research university in Nashville, Tennessee.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/annotation_set/1289/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eJohn Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917-1963), often referred to by his initials \"JFK,\" was an American politician who served as the 35th president of the United States from 1961 until his assassination in 1963. Kennedy served at the height of the Cold War, and the majority of his work as president concerned relations with the Soviet Union and Cuba. A Democrat, Kennedy represented Massachusetts in both houses of the U.S. Congress prior to becoming president. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/annotation_set/1289/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe 1966 flood of the Arno is considered the worst flood in the city of Florence, Italy’s history since 1557. 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This deadly flood took the lives of 101 people and damaged or completely destroyed countless numbers of artwork and rare books. \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/annotation_set/1289/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eSenator George McGovern of South Dakota bid his second campaign for the 1972 presidential election following his loss in 1968.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/124435/file/227906/annotation_set/1289/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003ePassover [Hebrew: Pesach] is the anniversary of Israel’s liberation from Egyptian bondage. Although enslaved by the Pharaoh, the Israelites continued to survive and even increase in numbers. Dismayed, the Pharaoh declared that all sons born to Hebrew women must be killed, but Hebrew midwives defied the Pharaoh’s decree. One mother, who had given birth to a son, placed him in a basket in the Nile River. The baby was found by none other than the Pharaoh’s daughter, who scooped him up, named him Moses, and raised him as her own. When Moses had grown up, God spoke to Moses saying that he, along with his brother Aaron, would be the one to take the Israelites out of Egypt. Moses challenged the Pharaoh, demanding freedom for the Israelites. When the Pharaoh refused, God sent a series of plagues upon the Pharaoh and Egyptian people. There were 10 plagues in total: blood, frogs, lice, wild beasts, diseases, boils, hail, locusts, darkness, and the most severe of all, the death of every Egyptian first-born son. In order to protect the Israelite children from the Angel of Death, the Israelites marked their doors with lamb’s blood, so that their houses would be passed over (hence the holiday name, “Passover”). Finally, Pharaoh surrendered and ordered the Israelites to leave Egypt. The Israelites were in such a hurry to leave Egypt that their bread had no time to rise. Pharaoh had also soon changed his mind and sent his armies after the Israelites. When the Israelites came to the Red Sea, they were trapped until God miraculously parted the sea. 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