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She tells that both of her grandparents owned a dry goods store. She talks about her father’s store in Rockmart and reflects on working in the store from a young age. She tells humorous stories about her father’s customers, including bootleggers. She talks about the black clientele and having one dressing room for both black and white customers.  \u003cbr\u003eFran talks about growing up in Rockmart and describes their family home in the Goodyear Rubber Plant mill village. She talks about her childhood friends being Methodist and Baptist and tells they gave her a Bible. She discusses integration of Rockmart during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s.    \u003cbr\u003eShe tells that she did not date much as a teenager but mostly participated in group activities. She reflects on always knowing that she would marry somebody Jewish. She discusses the family going to services in Rome, Georgia, and that her mother was very active in the synagogue. She tells she attended Sunday school.  \u003cbr\u003eFran talks about meeting her husband, Jeff Engel, at Hillel at the University of Georgia. She talks about their first date and tells that she was immediately quite taken with him. She talks about raising their daughter and attending Sunday school and Shabbos at a Conservative synagogue in Athens. Fran talks about their Jewish and non-Jewish friendships in Athens. \u003c/p\u003e (scope content)","\u003cp\u003eFran Rives Engel was born in 1950 in Carrollton, Georgia, to Betty Sue Blumenfeld and Joey Rives. She grew up in nearby Rockmart, Georgia, where her father had a dry goods store. Her grandparents on both sides of the family were merchants in Rockmart and Cedartown. Her father attended Georgia Institute of Technology and took business courses at New York University. Fran’s family attended High Holy Day services and Friday night services in Rome, Georgia, where she attended Sunday school. Her brother was bar mitzvahed there. Fran’s family lived in the Goodyear Rubber Plant mill village in Rockmart.  \u003cbr\u003eFran’s great grandfather was from Latvia. He had been conscripted by the Russian army. He escaped, and the family eventually settled in Dothan, Alabama. Fran’s maternal grandmother was born in Chicago, Illinois. Her paternal grandmother, Hattie Esserman Rives, was born in Rome, Georgia, around 1898. The Esserman’s were a merchant family.  \u003cbr\u003eFran graduated from Rockmart High School in 1968. She went to University of Georgia and attended nursing school at Emory University. She married Jeff Engel in 1973 after meeting at Hillel at University of Georgia. They have one daughter. They attend Conservative services in Athens, Georgia.  \u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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She talks about the black clientele and having one dressing room for both black and white customers. \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eFran talks about growing up in Rockmart and describes their family home in the Goodyear Rubber Plant mill village. She talks about her childhood friends being Methodist and Baptist and tells they gave her a Bible. She discusses integration of Rockmart during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eShe tells that she did not date much as a teenager but mostly participated in group activities. She reflects on always knowing that she would marry somebody Jewish. She discusses the family going to services in Rome, Georgia, and that her mother was very active in the synagogue. She tells she attended Sunday school. \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eFran talks about meeting her husband, Jeff Engel, at Hillel at the University of Georgia. She talks about their first date and tells that she was immediately quite taken with him. She talks about raising their daughter and attending Sunday school and Shabbos at a Conservative synagogue in Athens. Fran talks about their Jewish and non-Jewish friendships in Athens.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eFran Rives Engel was born in 1950 in Carrollton, Georgia, to Betty Sue Blumenfeld and Joey Rives. She grew up in nearby Rockmart, Georgia, where her father had a dry goods store. Her grandparents on both sides of the family were merchants in Rockmart and Cedartown. Her father attended Georgia Institute of Technology and took business courses at New York University. Fran\u0026rsquo;s family attended High Holy Day services and Friday night services in Rome, Georgia, where she attended Sunday school. Her brother was bar mitzvahed there. Fran\u0026rsquo;s family lived in the Goodyear Rubber Plant mill village in Rockmart. \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eFran\u0026rsquo;s great grandfather was from Latvia. He had been conscripted by the Russian army. He escaped, and the family eventually settled in Dothan, Alabama. Fran\u0026rsquo;s maternal grandmother was born in Chicago, Illinois. Her paternal grandmother, Hattie Esserman Rives, was born in Rome, Georgia, around 1898. The Esserman\u0026rsquo;s were a merchant family. \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eFran graduated from Rockmart High School in 1968. She went to University of Georgia and attended nursing school at Emory University. She married Jeff Engel in 1973 after meeting at Hillel at University of Georgia. They have one daughter. They attend Conservative services in Athens, Georgia. \u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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We're going to find out more about where you are from. Please. Why don't we go ahead and start by just telling us a little bit about your background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=0.0,13.26774"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e  Okay. Well, I was actually born in Carrollton, Georgia, and then we lived in Cedartown [Georgia] for a very short period of time, and then we moved to Rockmart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=13.26774,23.4253"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e  How long did you live in Cedartown before Rockmart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=23.4253,27.90762"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably lived in Cedartown, maybe two years. But I'm in my family telling the story of -- we had a cat named Boots. And when they moved to Rockmart the cat walked 12 miles back to Cedartown, because he wanted. So they just, you know, the people that had moved into our house agreed to let the cat stay there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=27.90762,49.98622"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So Cedar, Cedartown and Rockmart were very close by.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=49.98622,51.79669"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, 12 miles apart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=51.79669,53.13901"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. And how long did you live in Rockmart until?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=53.13901,56.6321"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I went to -- I graduated high school in 1968, and then I got married in 1973. So I lived for a short period of time after I graduated college because my mother died, actually the day that college graduation was, and so I stayed with my dad and, you know, worked various jobs and then got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=56.6321,83.52991"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So you were raised in Rockmart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=83.52991,84.69889"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I was raised in Rockmart, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=84.69889,86.30713"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. And when were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=86.30713,89.33517"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e February 21st, 1950.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=89.33517,91.95757"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, 1950. And what were your parents’ names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=91.95757,96.33598"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. My mother was Betty Sue Blumenfeld, and my father was Joe -- no, it was actually, Joey Rives. It was Joey on his birth certificate. No middle name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=96.33598,108.76042"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e What originally brought your family to Cedartown and then to Rockmart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=108.76042,114.13053"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Everyone was a merchant, you know, dry goods. My grandfather on my mother's side, “Ike”, Isador Blumenfeld, and my grandmother was Martha Goldman Blumenfeld. I don't think anybody had middle name. So they, I'm not sure how they ended up having the store in Rockmart, but it was just seemed like a good place to have a store, I guess. And my grandparents on my father's side, “Mose” from Morris David [Rives], and Hattie Rives [Harriet Irene Rives]. Well, Hattie was an \u003cunintelligible\u003e, so she grew up in Rome [Georgia], and Cedartown was also close to Rome. So I guess he'd decided -- and they actually had dress shops, women's stores. And at one point they had several of them until I think during the Depression they had some problems. But my grandmother, after my grandfather died, he died in 1957, had a woman’s, had a dress shop. And I remember going there because they still had an operator. They didn't have dial telephone numbers in Cedartown. And she also had like a second story that was sort of just a display area. So it was like a fancy store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=114.13053,204.38785"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=204.38785,206.16543"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e And so…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=206.16543,208.41398"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e How far was Rockmart from Rome? Because you moved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=208.41398,211.61463"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e 25 miles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=211.61463,214.16203"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. So they were relatively close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=214.16203,218.66526"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The store… My grandfather's store was the famous store, and then after a while, my father bought it and took it over. Then my grandfather got tired of being retired, so he opened the store next door to the famous store, but it sold slightly different merchandise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=218.66526,241.24496"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So were they competitors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=241.24496,243.27365"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Sort of, but not really. They. sold slightly different merchandise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=243.27365,248.06546"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that okay in the family? There was room for two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=248.06546,249.31957"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it was fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=249.31957,251.81377"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e There was room for two. And what do you remember about the stores? What kinds of merchandise did they sell?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=251.81377,259.34368"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e It was dry goods, so it had clothes, shoes, fabric, some patterns, foot lockers. My father also had a store in Jefferson [Georgia] that my grandfather had originally been with. I don't remember the name of the store in Jefferson, but it had like little toys, like, you know, dollar toys and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=259.34368,286.85633"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, when your grandfather opened up the store next door to your father, what kind of store did he have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=286.85633,292.77266"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e He had a dry goods store, but it was almost more like lower quality things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=292.77266,301.21386"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=301.21386,302.5643"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e It was still it was clothes and hats and. But I remember the hats because hats were going out of style, but they still had the hats and the boxes and. Because obviously we all had to work there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=302.5643,316.375"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Were there other stores like that in Rockmart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=316.375,318.71185"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e There actually were other stores. One of them was Carlton’s, and they were a family that had more upscale merchandise. But the thing I remember in sixth grade, we had a science teacher that did lots more talking than teaching science. And so at one point he had said something about did we let -- I don't know if he said colored or [the N-word] or what he said -- try on clothes. And it was like, yeah, of course! In Carlton’s and at other stores, they wouldn't let Black people try on clothes. It never entered my mind that that's not what you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=318.71185,358.65353"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e That's interesting because we're going to be talking about that a little bit later. I wanted to find out from you, too, about some of the other Jewish families that were in your community. Were there other Jewish families?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=358.65353,370.53992"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Not really. There were the Aronoff’s, and actually they had a store also that was down another block. But we never really had that much to do with them, I'm not sure how active they were in the synagogue in Rome because my mother was really active.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=370.53992,389.36059"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. So that's where you all went for services and holidays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=389.36059,393.00995"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=393.00995,394.1238"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, what about in Cedartown, were there Jewish families there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=394.1238,396.55107"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e No, just the Rives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=396.55107,398.1845"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So it was really just 2 or 3 families it sounds like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=398.1845,401.66368"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I guess that's how my mother ended up getting married to my father. They were the only Jewish high school age kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=401.66368,408.47558"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e These other families you mentioned, they were in like businesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=408.47558,412.82977"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=412.82977,414.13683"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e The Aronoff’s and the other family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=414.13683,416.93646"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think the Aronoff’s were the only other Jewish family in town I can think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=416.93646,421.65609"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And they were dry goods as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=421.65609,423.22955"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, they were dry goods as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=423.22955,424.77812"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAUDIENCE MEMBER:\u003c/strong\u003e How did they get to Georgia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=424.77812,428.03739"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e How did they get to Georgia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=428.03739,431.09953"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e How did your family get to Georgia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=431.09953,433.23654"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e My grandparents, my great grandfather was from Latvia and he had been conscripted by the Russian army for 25 years, so he escaped. One of the things my mother remembers more than I do because I was little when he died was that he had saber cuts on him. And he was very tall, which was unusual, he was over six feet tall. But somehow he escaped and eventually sent for his family. I have no idea how they ended up in Dothan, Alabama, in south Alabama. But then my grandmother was born in Chicago [Illinois] and her mother died when she was maybe 5 or 6 years old in the flu epidemic. Well she would have to be, she was born in 1910, so she must then 6, I think, when they had the Spanish flu epidemic. So her father, they lived in boarding houses a lot because her father traveled and he was a merchant. One of her sisters, her older sister got married. I have no idea how, she got married to someone who lived in Savannah. Then my grandmother came to Savannah and my grandfather met her when he went to Savannah to visit some relatives and they were on the trolley to the beach. They met on the trolley. And he said that as soon as he saw her he knew he was going to marry her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=433.23654,526.53067"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e That’s a great story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=526.53067,528.20809"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e So they were both 18 when they got married, they got married January 1st, 1929. So they got married in a bad year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=528.20809,536.75038"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. So they met on the trolley car going out to Tybee Island?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=536.75038,538.96398"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, going out to Tybee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=538.96398,540.84197"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. That's a great story. When would you say your family actually got to Cedartown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=540.84197,549.56086"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e My grandfather was probably – he never really admitted whether he was born on the boat or born soon after they’d gotten to the United States. But Mose Rives, he had a brother also, I have no idea how… He lived in... Maybe he had a store in Sandersville [Georgia]. That's how I got mixed up. Yeah, Sandersville. And then, I don't know how he met my grandmother. She was considered an old maid, she didn't get married until she was like 27 or something, but she played piano. At one point a vaudeville troop that had children had wanted to take her on tour with them and they had a tutor. Her parents wouldn't let her go, but she played piano all her life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=549.56086,610.23657"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So when did your grandparents actually get to Georgia and to Cedartown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=610.23657,617.75407"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e My grandmother [Hattie Rives] was born in Rome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=617.75407,626.67303"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And about what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=626.67303,628.67551"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was about 1898. She never really said it. She was close to hundred when she died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=628.67551,636.45778"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And what is one of the earliest memories that you have growing up in Rockmart? Just something that stands out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=636.45778,650.62424"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I actually remember when my little brother was born, and I had to be four years old then, but we were living in Rockmart and we lived in -- they had a Goodyear Mill there. We lived in a house in the Mill Village, they didn't work there but that's where they built little houses they could afford. It had four rooms. We would get dressed, in the wintertime, we'd get dressed in the living room because that's where the heater was. The bathroom was off the back porch and it had a little space heater and I burned the back of my legs when I was little. And I remember that, it hurt!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=650.62424,693.20775"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=693.20775,695.58151"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e And we had like a screened in porch and my family put plastic on it because otherwise you'd have to go outside to go to the bathroom, even though it was inside plumbing. Until we moved to a bigger house in 1957, the three children lived all in one bedroom and my parents had the other bedroom. My little brother would climb in and out of the baby bed because he was four years old before we moved and the baby bed fit in better than a bigger bed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=695.58151,730.56309"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So it was a sort of a modest home, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=730.56309,732.38467"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=732.38467,733.35449"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e But you made do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=733.35449,735.14595"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. I remember living in the Goodyear Village and having some really nice neighbors. We had a good time with the neighbors. They were really interesting people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=735.14595,745.23881"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Where did you go to school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=745.23881,747.45646"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I started. I spent one year at Goodyear Elementary School, and then we moved I went to U. Holly Elementary School. There were two elementary schools, there was one junior high, Rockmart and then Rockmart High School. And then I went to the University of Georgia when I left Rockmart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=747.45646,769.57962"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e These were county-operated elementary schools. [ENGEL: Yes.] Okay. And what was your interaction or how would you describe your interaction with non-Jewish friends and students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=769.57962,780.39394"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I went to everybody's church. I know lots of things about Baptist, Methodist, and the Catholics would have to go to Cedartown to go to mass. And then there were Pentecostals. But I went to everybody's church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=780.39394,799.28097"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And so there wasn't any problem as far as growing up around in a totally gentile...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=799.28097,806.06348"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the only problem was during the Cuban Missile Crisis. And I had friends crying because I was going to go to hell when I died because I wasn’t saved. And I’d tell them “no I wasn't. And then there was also… whenever they would be studying about Jews or having a mock seder or something. Obviously, my mother was still active going and then as I got older I would go. But I remember going to something where they had some story book and a mother had died and the family wasn't that sad because she was going to heaven. But a Jewish family whose mother had died was very sad, and I thought, that doesn't make any sense. I mean, if your mother died, you'd be sad no matter what. I learned pretty early, it made sense to me that nobody really knows what happens after you die. We had learned that the soul belongs to God and the soul goes back to God. And it was like, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=806.06348,871.79093"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So generally things were you felt very comfortable there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=871.79093,875.82531"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The Girls Auxiliary of the Baptist church gave me a King James version of the Bible, a little white leatherette cover and a zipper and pretty pictures. And they signed all their names to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=875.82531,890.21241"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e That was nice. So that was probably very important for you to get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=890.21241,895.92733"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I really wanted a Jewish Bible, and my mother got me a Jewish Bible when my brother was bar mitzvahed, she got a Jewish Bible for me, which I still have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=895.92733,907.28562"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And I was going to go on, what did you do about a synagogue or a temple growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=907.28562,911.77049"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e We went to Rome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=911.77049,912.73141"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e You went to Rome?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=912.73141,914.00839"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And they had Sunday school. They would have some services on Friday nights. And then they had a student rabbi when I was growing up so we got quite a variety of things. And then they started sort of a youth group and I was old enough to drive by then I was 15 so I could travel to Rome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=914.00839,936.67382"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So once you got older, you gravitated to Rome because of your Jewish life there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=936.67382,940.78852"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I really didn't do that much in Rome because everybody was my cousin..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=940.78852,950.2156"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Those years was it like a trip to go to Rome? Or it wasn't a big drive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=950.2156,954.11625"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e No, except my father smoked. That drove me crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=954.11625,958.6066"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. And as you grew older, how would you describe your life in Rockmart, as far as school, what about dating and stuff like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=958.6066,977.36346"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't do a whole lot of dating just because I didn't do a lot of dating. I tended to go with groups of people. And because I had two brothers, I had this mindset that guys were buddies. I had sort of boyfriends, but it wasn't really, you know, that much. It wasn't, you know, anything close because I always planned I was going to marry someone Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=977.36346,1008.16132"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And you touched on this before about your neighbors. You said when you lived in the Mill Village, you had wonderful neighbors. Was that true even after you moved into another home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1008.16132,1018.92737"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, we still had good neighbors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1018.92737,1020.89052"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So you felt really good about the environment you grew up in and the associations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1020.89052,1025.33643"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And there was no, you know, big problem with me growing up because we lived next door to the Methodist parsonage. Most people in town knew we were Jewish because my father had the store. And so it was like, that's just the way it is. And we had cousins in Cordele [Georgia] and we had cousins all over that had stores. Dry goods stores all through Georgia, they all had dry goods stores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1025.33643,1054.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Who were your cousins in Cordele?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1054.0,1056.81107"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't remember their name we visted them one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1056.81107,1059.5483"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. Did you ever regret not living in a large city? Did you ever think about what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1059.5483,1065.30429"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1065.30429,1070.33779"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. And do you remember when Rockmart became integrated, when the civil rights movement began? [ENGEL: Yeah.] How did that impact on your family and how did that impact on you personally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1070.33779,1089.42014"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e It actually was nice for me because I thought it was unfair. I mean, I grew up my family sort of had not quite prejudice, but some class lines as far as different jobs that people had. You know, Black people were maids and things like that. I worked in the hospital as a nursing assistant in high school, and they still had -- and this was 1967, 1968 -- and for some reason, even though the schools were integrated, the hospital still had a Black wing and a white wing. And it was a small hospital, so it was just a few beds down the corridor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1089.42014,1141.44375"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is in the late 60s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1141.44375,1142.95941"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, was in the late 60s. So I'm not sure how they did that. But I do remember when they decided instead of having school choice, because school choice obviously didn't work because nobody was going to choose the white high school that was black. They just made one high school and we turned the black high school into a junior high. The students from the black school really did have an inferior education they were, you know, just as bright, just as knowledgeable. They were very polite, sort of like they were supposed to behave. But they didn't have the background. We get some of the teachers from the black school, too, and they weren't as educated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1142.95941,1189.26406"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e What grade were you when you first became aware of the black students were in your classes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1189.26406,1196.22369"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e They didn't go to my classes till I was like a junior in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1196.22369,1200.72291"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So that would have been in the late 60s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1200.72291,1203.2187"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Late 60s, I graduated high school in 1968.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1203.2187,1206.64292"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. All right. How would you describe Rockmart today? Do you ever go back to Rockmart or Cedartown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1206.64292,1215.66147"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e We've been there, and it's probably smaller than it was. After my father died, my younger brother took over his store. My younger brother had gone to Berry College and gotten a degree in industrial arts education and taught school for a while. But my younger brother was the wild one and his students were wilder than him. So while they were running the store, he went to nursing school and his wife went to cosmetology school and obviously they were in the 30s. And then when they finished, they sold the store to like some wholesale job or whatever because it really people could travel more. I mean, when I was growing up, we would be open until 9:00 on Saturday, maybe later, as long as there were customers. My grandfather said that they used to open til  midnight because people would come to the movies and also the bootleggers would buy sugar. They were at the grocery store real late buying 100 pound bags of sugar or whatever. But they were open till midnight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1215.66147,1291.73586"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So he was waiting for that last sale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1291.73586,1294.09453"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e That last sale. And people used to call my father up and say, they had to go to the hospital and can he go and sell them a pair of pajamas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1294.09453,1303.23423"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And of course, he, the customer was king. That's great. That's great. Did he give credit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1303.23423,1311.29393"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he actually did. He had more layaway than actually credit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1311.29393,1317.2219"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e But more than likely, if somebody came in and said they didn't have the money to pay and he knew them, more than likely they could bring him money later on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1317.2219,1326.90555"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The other thing is the American Legion, would give away things at Christmas time and so they would buy gift certificates. At first, we used to… they would give us the size and we'd try to pick out clothes for them. 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And one of the things I remember is the Black high school didn't have a football field, so they would play games on Thursday night and we would be practicing in the band out on the football field. Then we'd leave and they would let -- the black high school would let us come to the game free. So we watched the black players play and they also they had really good concession stand. I mean, they had hot chocolate. And I mean, their concession stand was nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1366.17846,1409.51145"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember was it an easy transition growing up in a small town as far as the integration was concerned? Or do you remember that there were some ugly incidents or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1409.51145,1420.01336"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't really remember any ugly incidents, but I do remember somebody that we knew who was just talking to my father about how the Klu Klux Klan were protectors, and I thought that was so crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1420.01336,1436.33355"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Would protect your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1436.33355,1437.48327"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And protect, particularly a daughter from black students. And it was like these people are crazy. Because I also remember going with my father to the American Legion and them talking about when I was in college, talking about, “Well you don't see people using that marijuana, do you?” and I mean, they would drink and they were getting drunk on beer, which you have to drink a lot of. I was thinking this is not quite understanding the rest of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1437.48327,1468.0618"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e During civil rights, your father had black customers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1468.0618,1472.69673"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but he had them before then too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1472.69673,1474.70738"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1474.70738,1476.14237"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if he ever hired any black employees, but I don't know if anybody ever wanted to work for him or applied.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1476.14237,1483.2035"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Okay. Were there any were there any incidents involving during the civil rights period with your dad or in the store at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1483.2035,1498.01822"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Not that. Not that I can remember. Because he was always the store that black people came to and they tried on clothes and there was one dressing room. And so, I mean, I remember separate water fountains in town. I remember a lot of things that were separate. And it just didn't, I never really liked that idea because I just grew up that people were people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1498.01822,1523.78094"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever work in your dad's store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1523.78094,1527.28319"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. That's why all three of us decided we were going to do something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1527.28319,1531.80785"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. You had enough, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1531.80785,1535.21169"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I had enough! The one thing that he did that was really interesting, he's really good with arithmetic. So when we did inventory, he can multiply, like, $14.95 times 72 in his head. So he used to, at supper time we would be doing math problems. He'd come with arithmetic and I thought that was great fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1535.21169,1559.641"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Were there favorite customers that you had or you remember any really unique people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1559.641,1565.85445"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I just remember this was sort of halfway between self service and somebody helping you. So somebody come in and it's like, you know, May I help you? What can I get? And sometimes people tell us, go away because, I mean, you're just hanging around people. So I don't think there was a whole lot of theft because the staff was always hanging around the customer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1565.85445,1590.55265"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e How many years did your dad actually operate the store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1590.55265,1593.99845"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Let’s see, he died in 1985 and he probably got the store when I was… Well he was working for my grandfather as soon as we moved to Rockmart. He got the store by himself, probably about 1960, so it was 25 [years]. But then he had grown up with his parents having the store. He actually went to, when he went to college at Georgia Tech for some reason, I think his father wanted him to for a short period of time. He graduated high school when he was 16 because they only had 11 years of school instead of 12. And somehow he ended up, they would make buying trips to New York so he went to NYU and took business courses because I remember seeing some of his books, they were sitting in the house and, you know, his business books and I liked New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1593.99845,1657.19896"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you meet your spouse?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1657.19896,1659.42317"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e At Hillel in Athens. I went to, it was a freshmen \u003cunintelligible\u003e I was a sophomore, and I thought he was a freshman with the mustache so he'd look older. So he gave me his name tag, “Hello, my name is..” and I kept it for years because I latched on to him. I mean, I thought he was really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1659.42317,1680.52059"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And you've already commented on this, but you said that you had sort of known from the time you were young that you were going to marry somebody Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1680.52059,1690.01765"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah but my mother would get upset because at one point I was dating someone from Thailand. Part of the problem is, part of the problem is I didn't -- I never really had serious boyfriends. But I'd spend the whole lot of time with one person, so he taught me how to cook, and he'd have Thai friends over. He taught me some phrases so I could say hello, you know, How are you doing? Would you like some dessert?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1690.01765,1725.72773"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So your parents weren't real excited about that relationship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1725.72773,1728.27829"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e My mother got real it was like, “Well, is he brown?” And I said, yeah, he’s sort of brown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1728.27829,1735.50658"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So that was sort of discouraged, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1735.50658,1738.17478"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But she really couldn't do anything because I was off to college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1738.17478,1742.54955"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Now with your husband. Where did you go on your first date?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1742.54955,1748.45555"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Mite collecting, you know, the little bitty critters. Well, maybe we went hiking before that on the Appalachian Trail. He had a ’56, ‘53 car, what was it, a Buick. And it had holes in the floorboard, so it was filled with dust inside and out because he liked driving on dusty roads. And it also had airplane seat belts because it had belonged to his grandparents that had an accident, his grandmother broke her kneecap. So the grandfather got seatbelts before people had seatbelts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1748.45555,1786.85295"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. Wow. Okay. So you went actually on a date on hiking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1786.85295,1791.6747"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And then we went collecting mites, you just sort of gather up leaves and things like that and take them back. I thought he was real interesting. [OFFSCREEN: His name?] His name? His name's Jeff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1791.6747,1805.78013"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e His? Your husband's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's the one who had the old Buick with the holes in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1805.78013,1811.29672"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e The one with the old Buick with holes in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1811.29672,1812.26337"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1812.26337,1813.60435"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e He just fascinated me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1813.60435,1815.14746"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e How have you tried to ensure for your own children that they would receive a Jewish education?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1815.14746,1820.85585"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the interesting things is we became more observant. He's from a conservative background, he's also from New Jersey. So he grew up in a Jewish community and so together we just became more observant. We actually started going to Orthodox services because we like the people. And the people actually planned our wedding, and at that point, the rabbi in Athens was partly for the temple and partly for Hillel, and his wife baked the wedding cake. We get married at the Hillel House. We had a good time, my friends planned the wedding. Somebody took wedding pictures and made us an album now. Oh, with my children. I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1820.85585,1870.20925"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e There was an orthodox group group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1870.20925,1873.26061"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that met at Hillel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1873.26061,1874.12722"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1874.12722,1875.30658"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we've just got one daughter. But we would light shabbos candles, say the blessing of the wine. We always said hamotzi when she was little, and she just, as she grew up, she had this concept that she was Jewish. We never had any problem with the idea of Santa Claus and whatever, because this is the way the world is. And she's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1875.30658,1899.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1899.0,1901.15008"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e And the next door neighbors sort of were like grandparents. We lived in a small house then. When I mentioned growing up, you know, having a house without air conditioner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1901.15008,1911.85516"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1911.85516,1913.11577"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a starter house that we stayed in forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1913.11577,1916.60804"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, is there anything else you'd like to add that maybe I haven't touched on regarding your life in Rockmart or any questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1916.60804,1925.42895"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAUDIENCE MEMBER:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a question. When you went to the UGA and all of a sudden you had, like, peers who were not your cousins that were Jewish, how did you experience that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1925.42895,1937.66382"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I actually didn't like them that much as people. I still like people from small towns. At one point, we actually both worked in Danielsville, this small town near Athens, which ended up with one Jewish teacher, one Jewish nurse practitioner, a Jewish pharmacist that were working in the town. And the doctor that I worked for in Danielsville was, you know, very religious. When I applied for a job, he said, how do you feel about, he didn't use the word faith, but, you know, he immediately learned that I was Jewish and that was fine with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1937.66382,1983.56655"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was a Jewish doctor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1983.56655,1984.94393"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no, no. I'm just talking. No, he was. He was Baptist and he tithed and there was certain things that he wouldn't do but would let me do them. As far as, it’s the equivalent of like a morning after pill, it's just a big dose of birth control pills. He'd let me call it in but he wouldn't do it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=1984.94393,2006.09669"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e He wouldn't want to do it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2006.09669,2006.94163"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2006.94163,2008.36593"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so he respected your religion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2008.36593,2010.58317"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2010.58317,2011.97057"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. I think that's it. Let me just thank you for coming in from Athens to share your story with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2011.97057,2021.15624"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, we have fun coming to Athens. I love talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2021.15624,2023.95831"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Want me to ask the question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2023.95831,2025.52062"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAUDIENCE MEMBER:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2025.52062,2026.37361"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe you can share with us, too, since you went to the University of Georgia and then you remained there and made it your home. What has life been like for you living in Athens as a Jewish couple?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2026.37361,2040.6476"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things is that, you know, people know we're Jewish and we just sort of fit in. People that don't know we're Jewish will say things that are pretty anti-Semitic without realizing it. And yeah, when I was in nursing school, I had someone who -- I went to nursing school at Emory. I had a patient who was from Alabama having a knee replacement, it was a fairly new procedure. So, you know, she's a big player and she's just talking about “those Jew boys”. And I told my teacher, I said, I'm getting you know, I'm having a real hard time dealing with this. I'm being very polite to her. And if she knew how Jewish, she wouldn't be saying these things. But she was this, you know, very prim and proper lady from Alabama. And my teacher said, you shouldn't care, that shouldn't bother you. And I was like, I don't like this teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2040.6476,2095.88459"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e So you never said anything to the patient?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2095.88459,2098.09686"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e I never said anything. But I have, somebody at the gym that I go to got to know me and we'd see each other a lot and then she'd talk about someone else who she’d know is Jewish and talk about how nervous Jewish people are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2098.09686,2113.48854"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e High strung.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2113.48854,2114.578"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, high strung. And I don't know if she knows I'm Jewish yet. And then I went to some conference with another nurse and she started talking about Jewish people, all these stereotypes, and eventually I told her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2114.578,2128.36199"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Now your social group in Athens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2128.36199,2131.31862"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e So our social group in Athens we go to, there's a woman who started Conservative Services and she's from Boston, has a degree and a master's in Jewish studies and then has a doctorate in education. But, I mean, she is really good. I mean, you know, she reads the Torah. So there's this group that we go to. We never really fit into the temple. Our daughter, you know, we belong. And I taught Sunday School some and then I was the librarian and… but we never quite fit in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2131.31862,2170.36508"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e That is that the Children of God?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2170.36508,2172.85564"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e The children of Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2172.85564,2175.46821"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Children of Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2175.46821,2177.57266"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah but we fit in with the orthodox group that had meeting at Hillel. Now there's another orthodox group now that is way Orthodox. Someone had come in once and decided that there needed to be a mechitza. But when you trying to put up a curtain when there's no place to put up a curtain, I mean it keeps falling down. Okay. But the Orthodox, when we started, it was just that men and women could sit together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2177.57266,2202.38863"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And you have Jewish as well as non-Jewish friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2202.38863,2205.94051"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we probably have more non-Jewish friends. We have a few Jewish friends, I mean, one, one Jewish couple that we're close to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2205.94051,2218.43174"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e And are these people typically involved with the university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2218.43174,2224.82793"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e The people at the temple are, but the people that are friends, the ones that are close friends are not involved with the university, but she's Israeli and we tend to like people that are interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2224.82793,2240.76066"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2240.76066,2242.76258"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e And like to argue and discuss things. And then with the conservative group, they have Shabbos services maybe once a month, they're mostly involved with the university. We like them. We get along with them fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2242.76258,2260.27548"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2260.27548,2261.89522"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eENGEL:\u003c/strong\u003e But we're not real close to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2261.89522,2263.11843"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/transcript/81851/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTROTH:\u003c/strong\u003e Well again, we thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. \r\r\r\r\r\r\r​","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971#t=2263.11843,2268.61843"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/annotation_set/1954","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Engel, Fran [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/139176/file/257971/annotation_set/1954/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eCarrolton is a city in western Georgia, about 45 miles west of Atlanta. 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