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He earned a business degree from Emory University in the 1930s. During World War II, he served as a soldier in Europe and helped liberate the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany. The experience left a profound mark on him, shaping his lifelong commitment to civil rights and social justice. After the war, John pursued a successful career in business, running a retail store, working in the mortgage industry, and developing real estate in Atlanta.\u003cbr\u003eMarian Irene Brody Glustrom was born on April 16, 1916, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She earned her master’s degree in social work from Yale University and dedicated her career to helping others. During World War II, she worked in Atlanta, supervising the treatment of wounded soldiers at the Veterans Administration Hospital. That experience deepened her dedication to social justice, which guided her professional and civic contributions for decades to come.\u003cbr\u003eMarian served as a professor at both Georgia State University and Mercer University, training future generations of social workers. In the private sector, she was hired to design social programs for the community of Shenandoah in Coweta County. She also secured grants to fund pioneering initiatives, including programs to aid abused children, establish a drug treatment center, and expand services for women, children, and the elderly. Deeply committed to civic engagement, Marian was active in the League of Women Voters and became a respected voice for equity and reform.\u003cbr\u003eTogether, John and Marian were deeply involved in advancing civil rights in Atlanta. They worked to integrate a veterans’ organization, as well as the city’s library, police, and fire departments. They also co-founded the Atlanta chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.\u003cbr\u003eJohn and Marian married in 1948 and built their life together in Atlanta, where they raised two sons. Their partnership was defined by shared values of justice, equality, and service to their community.\u003cbr\u003eMarian passed away on February 5, 2007, and John followed on October 26, 2008. Together, they left behind a legacy of activism, compassion, and dedication to building a more just and inclusive society.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eMarian provides her family background. John introduces his family. Marian and John talk about their wedding and how they raised their children. John discusses his business ventures. He mentions what motivated him to actively support civil rights. Efforts to integrate the Atlanta school system and police force are recounted. The Glustroms remember their early efforts in the Civil Rights Movement. They chronicle membership in American Veterans Committee and American Civil Liberties Union. John shares his experiences with the American Veterans Committee and ACLU. John recalls joining the Atlanta Urban League. The couple consider ramifications of their involvement in civil rights. Marian speaks about Help Our Public Education. John talks about being audited and indicted for conspiracy. Marian details the integration of Atlanta’s schools and the activities of HOPE. John explains how the IRS investigation into his activities was resolved. He remembers some of the religious leaders active in civil rights in Atlanta. John reflects on his relationship with the Temple and interactions with journalists. Marian and John consider their personal legacy in the civil rights movement. Marian traces her career. The Glustroms recall how civil rights activism impacted some friends and family members. 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The experience left a profound mark on him, shaping his lifelong commitment to civil rights and social justice. After the war, John pursued a successful career in business, running a retail store, working in the mortgage industry, and developing real estate in Atlanta.\u003cbr /\u003eMarian Irene Brody Glustrom was born on April 16, 1916, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She earned her master\u0026rsquo;s degree in social work from Yale University and dedicated her career to helping others. During World War II, she worked in Atlanta, supervising the treatment of wounded soldiers at the Veterans Administration Hospital. That experience deepened her dedication to social justice, which guided her professional and civic contributions for decades to come.\u003cbr /\u003eMarian served as a professor at both Georgia State University and Mercer University, training future generations of social workers. In the private sector, she was hired to design social programs for the community of Shenandoah in Coweta County. She also secured grants to fund pioneering initiatives, including programs to aid abused children, establish a drug treatment center, and expand services for women, children, and the elderly. Deeply committed to civic engagement, Marian was active in the League of Women Voters and became a respected voice for equity and reform.\u003cbr /\u003eTogether, John and Marian were deeply involved in advancing civil rights in Atlanta. They worked to integrate a veterans\u0026rsquo; organization, as well as the city\u0026rsquo;s library, police, and fire departments. They also co-founded the Atlanta chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.\u003cbr /\u003eJohn and Marian married in 1948 and built their life together in Atlanta, where they raised two sons. Their partnership was defined by shared values of justice, equality, and service to their community.\u003cbr /\u003eMarian passed away on February 5, 2007, and John followed on October 26, 2008. Together, they left behind a legacy of activism, compassion, and dedication to building a more just and inclusive society.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eMarian provides her family background. John introduces his family. Marian and John talk about their wedding and how they raised their children. John discusses his business ventures. He mentions what motivated him to actively support civil rights. Efforts to integrate the Atlanta school system and police force are recounted. The Glustroms remember their early efforts in the Civil Rights Movement. They chronicle membership in American Veterans Committee and American Civil Liberties Union. John shares his experiences with the American Veterans Committee and ACLU. John recalls joining the Atlanta Urban League. The couple consider ramifications of their involvement in civil rights. Marian speaks about Help Our Public Education. John talks about being audited and indicted for conspiracy. Marian details the integration of Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s schools and the activities of HOPE. John explains how the IRS investigation into his activities was resolved. He remembers some of the religious leaders active in civil rights in Atlanta. John reflects on his relationship with the Temple and interactions with journalists. Marian and John consider their personal legacy in the civil rights movement. Marian traces her career. The Glustroms recall how civil rights activism impacted some friends and family members. John and Marian reflect on the relationship between the Jewish community and black community.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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Today is February 7, 1997. It is for the Jewish Oral History Project, which is co-sponsored by the American Jewish Committee, the Atlanta Jewish Federation, and the National Council of Jewish Women. This is tape two, side one. I appreciate your time again this morning. The last tape was exceptionally good. There are a few things I would like to go over to clarify one or two items—more than one or two—on the tape, and then we will press on to other areas of interest. To start with, Marian, you mentioned your mother and father, and how your mother got to Minneapolis [Minnesota], and so on. Can I have your mother's and your parents' ... mother's maiden name, father's name, and place of birth, please?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3.27,51.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e My mother was Ethel Silin, and she was ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=51.41,54.6"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Spell the last name, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=54.6,55.44"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e S-I-L-I N. Now that's the spelling we have from when she came over to Ellis Island. She was born in a small shtetl right outside of Vilna [Poland], or Vilnius [Lithuania] now. The story of her coming here, I think, is a very interesting one. Her grandfather, who was supposed to be a hundred years old, walked to Vilna the day of his birthday to have his picture taken, and when he came back, he collapsed. He walked all this way, and collapsed, called the family together, and said that they had to send my mother to America because that was the only way the family could survive. She was to come to America, save up money, and then bring her two brothers and your sister over. My mother didn't want to go. She was about 15, at least that's the estimate. We don't know what her birthday really was. She cried and he said, \"You know, you have to go,\" so the family saved up enough money for her to go and her uncle, who was homesteading, I told you, in South Dakota, was going to be her sponsor. Her mother saved up enough money to go with her one stop on the train. The conductor did not have the train stop at that first stop and then threw her off the train three stops later because she was Jewish. The last time my mother saw her mother was walking back, I don't know how many miles, to this small town. The only thing her mother had to give her of value was a rolling pin that she made noodles with. My granddaughter now has that rolling pin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=55.44,166.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e How about your father?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=166.41,167.52"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e My father was born also in a small shtetl somewhere in Lithuania, but we don't know where it was, but he went in, came into Russia. He was well educated. When he was 13 years old, his father took him in back of this little synagogue and told him he was going to tell him something that he must never tell anybody, especially the mother, because he would be thrown out of the village if they knew. He said, \"I don't believe it. I don't believe in a G-d. I only believe in mankind.\" And he gave my father, at 13, a cigarette, and that started my father on his road to being liberal. My father never believed it. He was in the Revolution of 1905 and was in hiding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=167.52,217.66"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e What revolution?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=217.66,219.66"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was in Russia. It was the Tsar, 1905. He was in hiding, and his friends came to his mother, who operated a lace factory—they were fairly well-to-do people—and told her that her son, if he was found, would be sent to Siberia, and that they had to get him out of the country. Well, fortunately, she had a visa for him because he was supposed to go into the army. So, he left Russia without saying goodbye to his family at all. He was spirited out of the country and went to Milwaukee [Wisconsin] because there was a socialist mayor there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=219.66,254.14"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e His name again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=254.14,254.92"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Morris Brody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=254.92,255.62"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e B-R-O-D-Y?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=255.62,257.46"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, B-R-O-D-Y.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=257.46,258.8"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have a date of birth on him by chance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=258.8,260.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Not really. He took May first as his birthday. He never did know when his birthday was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=260.42,265.3"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably when he arrived in the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=265.3,266.91"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e When he arrived in the country. We figure he was about 65 when he died and he was a young man when he came, so we just go back that way. But we really don't know when either my parents were born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=266.91,285.55"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e John, just for the tape, you mentioned your sister, Ida. Spell her last name for me, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=285.55,290.05"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e M-A-C-H-E-R.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=290.05,292.46"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e That is the reason, because I would probably have spelled it differently. And how about Sylvia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=292.46,297.05"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e S-C-H-W-A-R-T-Z.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=297.05,300.28"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e May I ask what ... Are their husbands still alive? Yes. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=300.28,303.22"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=303.22,304.1"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. May I ask what they are doing or what they did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=304.1,306.44"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my older sister, Ida's husband, George, was in the liquor business and he ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=306.44,317.37"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Did he take over your liquor store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=317.37,320.29"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he had his own best of troubles. I had the younger sister's husband, Fred, was in the delicatessen business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=320.29,334.19"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you, I mean just for the tape's sake. Also going [back], you mentioned Betty Cantor. First, spell her last name, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=334.19,341.29"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e [C-A-N-T-O-R].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=341.29,342.79"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e What does she do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=342.79,343.68"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e She's the deputy director of radio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=343.68,346.1"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Going back a number of years now into the 1940s, you said you came to visit her. How did you meet her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=346.1,353.3"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I was in Atlanta [Georgia] for nine months during the war in the Red Cross. My youngest sister [Sarah Brody] had taught at Miss Davidson's School of Speech. She was a speech pathologist and came down here. She was here for about a year, met a very close friend of Betty's. So, when I came down, I looked up this close friend of Sarah's, who then introduced me to Betty. To this day, Betty and I are very close friends. I mean, we ... She introduced us. I would say we're really as close as people could be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=353.3,387.24"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, and again, now let us get off the family. Yes. 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We felt that they needed the benefit of a Jewish education so they could make their own minds up and not go on the basis of how we might feel. Now, we were not atheists. We were, you might say, agnostics. We didn't know any answers and didn't profess to know. We felt it was an obligation and duty of each person to make their own mind up about religion and their philosophy of life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=421.37,463.12"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, one thing, too, is that neither of us had had a ... We had a Jewish bringing up, but not a religious one, and therefore, we came to our being Jewish, I would say in adulthood, with difficulty. We both went with non-Jewish boys or girls, you know, dated inter-religiously, and we felt that our sons needed that background. Now, interestingly enough, when they were in college, they told us that we had done 85 percent right in bringing them up. Like fools, we said, \"What was the 15 percent?\" And they said, \"Sending us to the Temple.\" We told them why we had sent them and also that they would have been the only boys in their non-Jewish and Jewish group that wasn't going to Sunday school. 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You would take them to Sunday school and then go off to play tennis. Yes, sure. Yes, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=541.43,546.49"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=546.49,546.61"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, sure. Yes, sure. You know, I mean, children see a lot more in parents. We did celebrate the holidays in a cultural [way]. We're cultural Jews. We've never repudiated our Jewishness in any way. But I thought it was interesting that, as hard as we tried, the children, the boys still realized that we were sending them ... And we really weren't sending them to believe in the religion, but to get the background that we didn't have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=546.61,576.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Both of our sons married non-Jewish girls. Interestingly enough, the younger son's wife, Pam, tried to go to the Temple, where they are sending their sons, and she felt it was not a hospitable atmosphere there. 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[He] has been in a small town in Arizona, so he's not [or] hasn't been identified much with a religious institution, and now that he's moved to Boulder [Colorado], of course, things are in a state of flux. If they do become identified with some religion, it'll be a ... On a later date.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=629.7,659.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you. I appreciate that background. It fills in that picture. There is one other statement. You said you got married up in Minneapolis [Minnesota] and very rapidly—and it's like almost the exact [date]—you were due back in Atlanta after the wedding. 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We had to make a living, for one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=677.99,680.79"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e We had to make a living, for one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=680.79,681.15"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We had to make a living, for one. We had to make a living, for one. No, the real reason was that you had promised George Macher that you would take over the liquor store for a couple of weeks so they could go on vacation. Yes. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=681.15,691.74"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=691.74,691.82"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. And so, we felt a moral conflict ... Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=691.82,695.25"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=695.25,695.33"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. ... reason for doing it. You know, because, I mean, we had to make a living with that, but the first six months you didn't work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=695.33,701.93"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e We, interestingly enough, we took six months off as an extended honeymoon, and lived off our capital, and decided to have just a nice time getting to know each other without hassle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=701.93,721.89"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that is great but let us go into that aspect then. Marian has mentioned some of her relationships with the Red Cross, and then the Cancer Society, and doing some teaching but we ... Other than the liquor store, you got out of ... I asked last time. You got out of the military. Your father was in the liquor store, I assume.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=721.89,738.94"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e He ... 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Let us trace your work history for a few moments. What did you do when you got out of the military?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=742.73,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've done ... To begin with, when I got out of the military after the liberation of Buchenwald, I decided I had to devote myself to helping the underprivileged people in our society and the most underprivileged that I saw in Atlanta were the black people. So, I sort of established a rule of living where I would spend 20 percent of my time with the helping in social causes and civil rights movement, I'd spend maybe 40 percent of my time with my family, and the other 40 percent, I would spend in trying to earn a living. Literally, I devoted those percentages to those things. I didn't try to do it as a percentage each day, but over a period of a week or a month, it worked out. So, in actual business affairs, I always had to have types of business that I would be free to devote myself to these two different things. So, I happened to be fortunate. I found ... Each decade, I found a different type of business I could be in. From the liquor store, I went into retail children's shops business, and I had three shops in various parts of the city for seven, eight years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=750.0,866.2"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you operated those on an absentee [basis] really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=866.2,869.65"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I operated them to some extent in absentee where I had flexible hours and could be free for the kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=869.65,878.97"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Give me years, if you would, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=878.97,880.84"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e This children's shop was in the fifties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=880.84,882.77"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e 1950s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=882.77,885.83"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and it was seven years, eight years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=885.83,891.68"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Eight years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=891.68,891.79"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Then, in the 1960's, when I sold out my children's shops, I formed together with another man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=891.79,903.23"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Backup. Where were the shops located?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=903.23,906.12"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e One on Piedmont [Road].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=906.12,908.77"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Rock Springs [Road].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=908.77,909.24"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e On Rock Springs. Okay. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=909.24,911.02"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=911.02,911.31"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. It was the second shopping center built in Atlanta and built by Ben Massell. He personally leased my space to me before it was completed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=911.31,923.66"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e In Atlanta, where was this located? Piedmont. 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So, that is the first one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=926.09,927.94"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e So, that is the first one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=927.94,928.22"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, that is the first one. So, that is the first one. The second one was in West End, and the third one was East Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=928.22,934.28"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Pretty well scattered throughout the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=934.28,936.21"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and I used to go, and the only new car that I ever bought was a station wagon that I bought for that purpose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=936.21,947.19"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e To run about, to go back and forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=947.19,948.48"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we went into the children's shop, really, because we felt it was something we could do together, that I could be home with the boys. We only had one child when we went into it. But that was part of our thinking, that we could something together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=948.48,963.11"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e From the children's shop, that is where we interrupted you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=963.11,966.79"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e In the 1960s, with another man, I started a second mortgage corporation. It was the first second mortgage business in the state, probably in the Southeast, and we lent money out at a rate that's now comparable to a credit card rate of interest. We were cautious in knowing that the banks were not allowed to engage in that business in those days. So, we had the field more or less to ourselves for a couple of years. We built up a very nice portfolio of loans in which we very seldom ever had any losses. In fact, I can't remember a single loss that we've ever had, because if we had to foreclose, we always had equity in the property and we avoided foreclosure like a plague. We would lend to people with good credit that we wouldn't have to contend with taking their house. We ran it, sort of, on a social basis like that. It worked out well, but eventually I sold out of that business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=966.79,1053.95"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e For that, what was your partner's name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1053.95,1055.8"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e A fellow named Jim Coogler, C-O-O-G-L-E-R. Not Jewish. Not Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1055.8,1061.37"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Not Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1061.37,1061.49"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Not Jewish. Not Jewish. He wasn't Jewish. Eventually after seven, eight years, he began to exhibit traces of paranoia, and he became extremely difficult, and finally, we had to, I had to... I went out of the business really, and he bought my interest. It turned out that I had Edgar Goldstein as an attorney, and I bluffed Jim Coogler out of a very fine settlement. Edgar was in great praise and admiration for the fact that I got away with it. Then, in the 1970s ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1061.49,1103.39"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, from then you worked at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1103.39,1113.15"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I worked at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1113.15,1113.35"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Then, you met H. M. Bradford.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1113.35,1114.82"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I had taken over all the real estate that Jim Coogler and I invested in jointly and I operated that out. In seven years, I started a credit claims and collections organization, and we built up to a million dollars in collections per year before I sold out about four or five years later. I had limited duties in the mortgage business that we had built up to about a five-million-dollar operation of assets. We had half a million credit lines with five local banks, and we had two million [in] credit with commercial credit. Eventually, the money got tight and that's when things began to disintegrate for us in a joint venture. It really wasn't enough for two. Then, I met a man named H. M. Bradford, Harson Bradford, who was in Clayton County. I met him in 1963, and he and I began to go into more and more real estate ventures together. Sometimes I got partners for those ventures. I still work with him on the large land development, which we're carrying on right at the present.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1114.82,1227.25"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e May I ask where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1227.25,1229.25"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e In Pike County, which is north of Zebulon [Georgia] and a little west of Griffin [Georgia].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1229.25,1240.35"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e South of Atlanta? South of Atlanta. South of Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1240.35,1241.6"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e South of Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1241.6,1241.76"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e South of Atlanta. South of Atlanta. Yes, Griffin's in Spalding County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1241.76,1243.82"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1243.82,1244.99"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, and then I've had some investments of my own on the side, and I've had some notes receivable, and I've been living off of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1244.99,1262.44"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you, that gives us a background as to where you're from. Let me now go into some of the things in the [first] tape also. You mentioned the Human Relations Council last time and somebody coming from Wisconsin named Dan, but I never caught a last name for Dan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1262.44,1276.65"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Kinnerly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1276.65,1277.9"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you spell that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1277.9,1279.25"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e K-I-N-N E-R-L-Y, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1279.25,1283.62"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e K-I-N-N-E-A-R-L-Y.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1283.62,1286.06"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what it was? I don't think we ever knew","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1286.06,1287.04"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e And he arrived from Wisconsin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1287.04,1289.62"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the University of Wisconsin. Madison. Madison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1289.62,1291.85"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Madison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1291.85,1291.93"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Madison. Madison. Go into the background of the Human Relations Council, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1291.93,1301.24"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the Georgia Council on Human Relations, I was an officer and really treasurer for over 20 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1301.24,1311.6"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e What was its purpose?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1311.6,1313.85"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e There was an Atlanta Council on Human Relations and a Georgia Council ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1313.85,1317.55"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e They were non-governmental, they were private.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1317.55,1319.89"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e They were supported by private donations, and they didn't have a broad membership base. So, they eventually were able to hire an executive to run the groups, and they had an active board. I was an officer all this time and helped build it up. It was sort of a child of the Southern Regional Council, which also was active in there, mainly in the state of Georgia and Atlanta, although it was ... Many of the people in it were from very Southern states.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1319.89,1372.86"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e It had a charter, the Counsel for Human Relations? 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The laws were very definite and specific, and the court supported them. The police of Atlanta were 60 percent [Ku Klux] Klan members at that time. It was a stacked deck. When I participated in it in the late 1940s, it was actually a dangerous thing to be involved in, and risky for my family, my economic situation, and my social welfare because many people turned against me because I was involved in this terrible thing. I took the risk. I had been in the army. 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In fact, you were her chief confidant at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1538.44,1541.55"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, and I would sometimes go with her or participate in her activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1541.55,1546.72"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Spell her last name please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1546.72,1549.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. How about other individuals, names of other individuals who were associated at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1549.42,1555.19"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we ought to go back to the American Veterans Committee, because that's where ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1555.19,1559.3"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, okay, let's start ....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1559.3,1560.37"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, when you talk about individuals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1560.37,1562.26"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I knew all the Council members, but there's other organizations of equal importance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1562.26,1567.88"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e You noted that last time that you made a statement it was the first integrated organization in Atlanta, the American Veterans, and I was going to comment ... or Counselor Committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1567.88,1576.49"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the Georgia Council was integrated. I was trying to think of the name of the people who were associated with the Georgia council.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1576.49,1584.62"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Joe Wilber.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1584.62,1585.28"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Joe, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1585.28,1585.58"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e He is a minister from Macon [Georgia].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1585.58,1585.9"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Joe ... Jean's brother, not Wilber.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1585.9,1588.62"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wait a minute, it wasn't?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1588.62,1589.6"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Joe Wilber was the doctor. Jean Hendricks, Joe Hendricks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1589.6,1602.28"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Joe Hendricks. That's right. I forgot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1602.28,1605.09"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e So, the Council—since you mentioned—from Macon, the council really had representation from throughout the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1605.09,1612.14"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1612.14,1612.48"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e But most of the people were black.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1612.48,1615.35"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that gives us some idea. 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1622.04,1623.65"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1623.65,1624.08"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. They called it AVC and to get ... Me and several fellows bonded through our efforts. One of them was Sylvan Meyer, whose father was a very wealthy dealer in wholesale liquor. 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He then went on to The Miami Herald, and then he retired to write a book, and now he's very ill. 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He got reports that the dental school in Emory [University] was very antisemitic. You probably know that. Gerry Reed took part in that. Art was practically run out of town, really, by the Jewish community, who were so upset that he was attacking Emory. Mark Wittenbaum said, \"I'm on the board of visitors. What's he going to do with my position?\" I mean, literally, when he left to go to the Potomac Institute in Washington [D.C.], which was a promotion and everything, very few of the Jewish community leaders attended his farewell dinner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1691.99,1733.32"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e In fact, he wasn't attacking him, literally. 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Yes. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1739.11,1745.52"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1745.52,1745.6"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. That'd be Morris Goldman from CDC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1745.6,1749.81"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Morris Abram.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1749.81,1751.06"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Morris. What was he? CDC, too? I mean ... AVC, yes. 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He was head of [Children's Healthcare of Atlanta at Egelston Hospital].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1767.41,1768.94"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Okay, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1768.94,1770.69"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Joseph Patterson's Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1770.69,1771.58"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e The pediatrician?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1771.58,1772.4"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Let's see, and then, in the black community, there was Bill ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1772.4,1777.59"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Morris Goldman who was ... CDC. 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Odom Fanning. ... was a CDC scientist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1785.1,1786.26"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Way back in the 1950s, Odom Fanning, who was a scientific writer for CDC, went to Sears Roebuck for something, and he saw the black and the white water fountains. So, he went back to CDC and got out all the evidence that you aren't contaminated by water fountains and sent it all to Sears Roebuck. Sears integrated their water fountains way before any other form of integration. 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Who was an attorney for the Civil Rights Movement for many years and ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1820.84,1826.23"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Bob Thompson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1826.23,1827.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Bob Thompson, who is a federal housing employee. The black people that were involved, incidentally, were very beautiful characters, like the white people that were involved. Each one of them was an outstanding individual. And there was Bill Gordon, who's still a close friend of mine, as is Don Hollowell. Bill Gordon was the editor of Atlanta Daily World for many years. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1827.41,1864.28"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1864.28,1865.4"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? 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That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. A Niemen Fellow. That was the black newspaper? Yes. That was Arthur Smith, who was the head of a housing project, one of the big housing projects in the city. At the time, I was chairman of AVC. Walter Paschall. Walter Paschall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1867.64,1881.45"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Walter Paschall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1881.45,1881.57"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Walter Paschall. Walter Paschall. Walter Paschall, the radio commentator. But at the time I was chairman of AVC, we were ... 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It was 1948.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1896.0,1898.55"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was 1948.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1898.55,1898.71"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was 1948. It was 1948. Because it was right before we got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=1898.71,1901.47"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e During 1948 and 1950, I was chairman two or three times. It was in the late 1940s and early 1950s. The biggest projects that we had ... Not officially, you know ... AVC was one of the organizations supporting various forms of integration. Like I said last time, no churches were involved in any of these \"Communistic\" movements, as we were labeled. We were really a major factor in the integration of the Atlanta Police Force, and we spoke at the police committee, individuals for themselves and the organization, and at considerable risk. 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I think one of the family was ill or something like that and so, he went and that was the really key testimony.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2009.75,2035.21"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that is a good background. Let me also ... 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[Unintelligible] but we had our meetings in Atlanta. Right. [Unintelligible] but we had our meetings in Atlanta. Right. [Unintelligible] but we had our meetings in Atlanta. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2078.25,2079.45"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e [Unintelligible] but we had our meetings in Atlanta. Right. [Unintelligible] but we had our meetings in Atlanta. 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Of course, I became less active in ACLU about 15 or 20 years ago because when they took the role of supporting the Nazi's right to march in Skokie [Illinois]. 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We got married in 1949 and Lyndon Wade came on the Urban League when I was on the planning council.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2412.14,2418.28"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, it was Grace Hamilton that got me on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2418.28,2420.29"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Grace Hamilton got you, but I'm trying to say that Lyndon Way, I was with the community council in the 1960s, in the early 1960s. 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You know, it's interesting that you would ask who is Grace Hamilton. She was such a prominent figure in her day, and it was before your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2448.18,2463.66"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I know Grace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2463.66,2465.08"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e When she was elected to the state legislature, the first thing she did was have her picture taken with her great-grandfather, who was ... grandfather, who was governor of Georgia. 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She was just an amazing person for her time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2480.55,2487.12"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e I wanted that for the tape. I knew who Grace was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2487.12,2488.96"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought you would. 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You mentioned last time and this time again because I put it down here. The \"Communist\" connection, if I can use that term ... Yes. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2520.56,2530.59"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. ... that over and over again, if you did anything in the civil rights movement, this was a label. How did that affect you, both of you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2530.59,2539.48"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, there were Jewish people in Atlanta who would use that brand and wouldn't associate with me because of that brand. They were afraid of their own position as Jews in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2539.48,2561.69"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't blame anybody for not being active in civil rights. I do blame people who made it difficult for other people. There was a climate of fear, people had families. I don't blame them for not being that active, but I do when somebody can walk into my brother-in-law's store and say, \"Why don't you get rid of that Communist brother?\" Socially, it really didn't hurt us because we didn't ... We weren't oriented to going up in the social world. And it certainly didn't hurt me. I have been ... I went all the way up in PTA [Parent Teacher Association] during the integrations. I was PTA president when our school was integrated. I was on the League of Women Voters Board. I got all the positions I wanted. All our neighbors knew we were entertaining black people. It was very interesting that our sons, myself, or you [John] ... Really, you bore the brunt of it because, although several people said to me, \"You know, you ought to tone it down, Marian. After all, you come from the North and you're influencing Johnny.\" And I said, \"No, fortunately, we influence each other.\" But that was a feeling, too. That was the only time I ever felt that. I worked for whole ... you know, Save Our School, they went all around the state speaking. It never seemed to lessen my effectiveness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2561.69,2652.81"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me interrupt for a moment. The tape is about to run out, turn it over. We will pick up maybe with HOPE [and the] League of Women Voters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2652.81,2658.92"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I wanted to ask that ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2658.92,2659.16"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e We will pick up where we were, but again, this is a tape two, side two interview with John and Marian Glustrom. You were talking about ... You mentioned a few new organizations now that you work with: HOPE, the League of Women Voters ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2659.16,2691.4"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the League of Women Voters, how long ago was that? That was before I started working for the planning council. So, it was in the 1950s, somewhere in the middle 1950s when they split on the integration problem, question. There was a group of League members that did not want to be integrated. They wanted blacks to have their own League. It was led by Mrs. Murdoch Equen, a doctor's wife, and she took her little cadre, and they went out of the league.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2691.4,2727.99"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Made a white league?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2727.99,2729.32"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Made a white league, Voters League, Voter's Guild at that time. Sarah Mitchell, who was on the league board, sort of became the leader of the new movement, and that's when I got on the board. I worked for the ... you know, got the new charter and everything. The state league was, of course, not supportive of us, because it was from all these Southern towns and the like. But the League then took a stand on integration, and we took a very strong stand on school integration, and we went all around the state speaking to our league boards and everything. And then, HOPE was formed by Helen Bullard and Muriel Lokey, and that was Help Save Our Public Schools. I was very active in that because I was PTA president. Well, I'd gone all the way up and I was supposed to be PTA president the year before our school was integrated, when they were preparing. A group of Jewish women came to me and said, \"Marian, would you mind waiting a year? We don't think this is the time to have a Jewish president.\" Now, that shows you the fear that the Jews were in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2729.32,2802.33"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And Sarah Mitchell, who is now Parsons, and she's a very close friend of ours and her husband.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2802.33,2810.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e She went on the school board and was very instrumental in getting the school system integrated and then remarried and went out to California. But you can just ... You know, when these Jewish women came ... You see, it wasn't non-Jewish women; it was the Jewish","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2810.42,2825.5"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the Atlanta City Public ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2825.5,2828.44"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Atlanta City Public Schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2828.44,2831.31"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Incidentally, I want to tell him about what happened in the Georgia Council.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2831.31,2836.96"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that I think is very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2836.96,2839.2"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you asked me what work they were doing. I had a major ... And you were asking about repercussions from my activities. Well, I told you one in connection with the library board. Then, the other friction or troubles I had was we started a program through the Georgia Council of Economic Development, and we had hired a new director named John McCown. A young black man. A young black man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2839.2,2879.62"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e A young black man. A young black man. A young black man. A young black man, very fiery, and dynamic, and an ex-marine. He chose to live in Hancock County, where he had some family roots, and he persuaded us to help him start an artificial lake fish farm breeding operation there. There's some of them around in other places where people were making a little money out of them and he felt that we could produce fish cheap enough it would help feed the poor in Hancock County, which was 90 percent black.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2879.62,2926.12"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Locate Hancock County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2926.12,2928.29"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it's about 120 miles southeast of Atlanta. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2928.29,2936.13"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2936.13,2936.29"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. It's near Madison, Georgia if that means anything to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2936.29,2945.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Near Milledgeville [Georgia], too. He was ... His program that he promulgated was in nature civil rights also because with 80 percent of the population being black, they had no representation in the Hancock County government whatsoever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2945.41,2966.7"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e In Sparta [Georgia].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2966.7,2967.78"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e In Sparta, the city [or] town was absolutely white, and blacks were not allowed to even have a business on Main Street. I don't think there were any businesses of black people in entire county, except maybe one filling station owner and one garage owner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2967.78,2992.51"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And no political offices for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2992.51,2994.65"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And no political offices. So, he began to work there in Hancock County, and I began to help him, and got a grant. He got a grant from the Board Foundation, and also from a federal agency, FHA [Federal Housing Administration], I think. HUD [Department of Housing and Urban Development], too, didn't he? HUD [Department of Housing and Urban Development], too, didn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=2994.65,3019.06"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e HUD [Department of Housing and Urban Development], too, didn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3019.06,3019.5"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e HUD [Department of Housing and Urban Development], too, didn't he? HUD [Department of Housing and Urban Development], too, didn't he? Was HUD, yes. So, we got ... I helped them with the business aspect. We got this program going, and started, bought some land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3019.5,3028.45"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you invested money in it, didn't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3028.45,3030.07"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, so I put a lot of my own money in that. I put about five or six thousand. And in order to buy the land, the climate was such that we had to pay the owner of all of this in cash, so that he could sell it through legal means by a small sum of money and get most of his money in cash. Well, I put up the cash to help him buy the land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3030.07,3058.26"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And they wouldn't sell it to a black man, so you bought it in your name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3058.26,3063.38"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I bought it in my name because they wouldn't sell to this organization. Then, after I bought it, I transferred it to the council. Then, many years later, after the fish farm has been operating several years in our ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3063.38,3091.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e This was in the 1960s that you did this in Hancock County. In the 70s, the early 70s was when the IRS [Internal Revenue Service] ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3091.41,3098.49"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e The IRS got in and they began to investigate this thing through their intelligence service. So, I was investigated. And finally, they got together a motion to try everybody involved in the conspiracy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3098.49,3129.79"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the district DA [District Attorney] in Atlanta wouldn't touch it, so they went to Macon. I was going to ... 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I think that's important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3135.12,3135.63"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e To finish your point, they couldn't get this board in Atlanta, where there was a Democratic DA. But in Macon, they found the Republican man, who had been appointed by Richard Nixon, and he was the archconservative, and he decided this would be good capital for him. So, he came up with this conspiracy theory to defraud the federal government of money. At that point, the fish operation had been harassed so much by then, it actually was literally out of business and they never ... They had a tremendous drop in the price of meat and fish on the market, where they had to sell it for less than a dollar pound and it cost them more than a dollar to bring it to the market. So, they came up with this big conspiracy theory and my name was prominently mentioned because I was the only white person involved. And that was a major blow to our family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3135.63,3213.74"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they were indicted. There was an indictment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3213.74,3216.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Because it was an indictment, including me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3216.42,3219.14"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Meanwhile, John McCown was killed in a plane crash, so ... Yes. 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They said, \"... and John Glustrom, a businessman.\" You know, they kept stressing that fact that ... And later, we were told that one of the reasons the DA had zeroed in on you is that he wanted one big white man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3223.49,3243.86"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e In the process of reselling this land to the Georgia Council, to the program—the fish farm program called ECCO—I charged part of the money back that I had paid out in cash. I got most of it back, but not my other expenses. So, I ... It was 5,300 differentials showed on the record in the price, and that was part of the charge. Now, the trial was due to come up. There was a great deal. I had to get an attorney, and everybody involved had to get attorneys to defend themselves. The other people were all from Hancock County. John McCown had died, and he was a ... They were still accusing him as a conspirator after death. So, at that time, Jimmy Carter got elected president. And the first thing he did was take this rotten egg out of the Macon District Attorney's Office and put in a decent man to be head of that, prosecuting on. The first thing this man did was drop the whole trial. 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We couldn't have had a more supportive group than we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3375.31,3381.25"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I have over a hundred letters that I was going to use in the trial from the people that praised me enormously, like I was some kind of a saint. 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Of course, you were early, because fish farms are in today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3401.5,3411.73"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we were pioneers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3411.73,3414.75"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We were too early for many things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3414.75,3417.68"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a fish farm in Alabama and one in Texas that operated and made a little money. Other than that, there was none in the United States that I know of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3417.68,3429.96"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And Israel's been very successful in fish farming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3429.96,3433.63"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3433.63,3433.91"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e You also mentioned HOPE, Marian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3433.91,3436.64"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e HOPE, as I said, was started by Helen Bullard, who was a public relations person, but she was the mastermind behind [William B.] Hartsfield's campaign and Ivan Allen's campaign. She was sort of the power behind the throne, wouldn't you say that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3436.64,3452.71"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, she was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3452.71,3453.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And Muriel Lokey, who is Hamilton Lokey's wife. Hamilton Lokey was an attorney. In fact, you debated Hamilton Lokey—that was another thing—on ... What was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3453.42,3463.82"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e United World Federalists. That was back in late 1940s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3463.82,3469.5"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We were World Federalists at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3469.5,3472.45"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e There is another communist conspiracy, isn't it? \u003claughs\u003e.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3472.45,3474.7"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3474.7,3474.85"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We're just full of that. And well, what's interesting is that neither of us have ever even, we're liberals, but we never have even approached that. My parents were socialists. Your parents leaned more to the communists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3474.85,3492.85"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but I had never ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3492.85,3493.86"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e But you never did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3493.86,3495.31"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e ... never believed in that philosophy. 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I started reading it, and they had an article about Atlanta, and they said that there were barefoot women with scabrous children on their own, who walked the gutters of Atlanta begging for food. I went through all the Atlanta gutters myself. I had done it for a couple of years, and I never saw that. So, I figured that any organization that had to lie to make its point couldn't be good. 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Yes, that is ... Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3552.01,3555.38"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e But HOPE was started when the Sibley Commission to decide how they were going to integrate the public schools had started. We were sort of a grass roots in contrast to the commission, which was an official commission, and we really organized the grass roots. It's interesting, we had ... Everybody was putting bumper [stickers] on their car, HOPE, everything to help our public schools. And our manager from one of the children's shops said to me, \"Marian, you better take that off before Johnny goes down to East End ...\" West End? What's it ... East? What were they called? East Atlanta. East Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3555.38,3591.98"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e East Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3591.98,3592.1"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e East Atlanta. East Atlanta. East Atlanta, \"because they will never accept it here, down there.\" Of course, I think they made a mistake with the Atlanta Public Schools when they integrated from the high schools down, but it was integrated, and it was a peaceful integration. But then, that disbanded once the schools became integrated and there were ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3592.1,3615.49"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I wanted to tell you about the IRS audits, as a result of the Hancock County thing. But every year from 1969 to 1979, they audited, and of course, they never found it. Hold a minute, Marian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3615.49,3639.17"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Several times they had to pay us money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3639.17,3641.91"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Wait a minute. Let me tell it. So, one year, I got a close friend of mine to take me up to the director of the IRS in the South and introduce me, and he had himself and a gimlet-eyed assistant there, and I told him, \"You've been auditing me every year. I don't think it's fair to hassle me each year, and you never get any money.\" And I said, \"It costs me. Every year, it costs me maybe $800,000 accounting.\" He says, \"I'm going to audit you as long as I feel.\" He said, \"It's my judgment call that controls it and I feel like I'm going to have to continue auditing you,\" which he did. So, he sent me a bill for $8,000 for a year 1969, 1970 and 1971. Then, I had Kurt Dunnberg as my CPA [Certified Public Accountant]. Kurt took some positions on the corporation I had as ... Treated me like an individual. He was a refugee from Germany, and he probably wasn't aware of the tax laws to that extent. So, we used the ... We bought them and paid the $8,300. Then, finally, I was mentioning it to a close friend of mine ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3641.91,3746.23"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Wait a minute. Before that, you protested. \u003cInterview pauses; then resumes\u003e You protested. After they audited him, they said to our accountant, \"Why was he protesting? 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Did you hear it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3762.54,3777.17"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e She said that there was a protesting what ... I can go back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3777.17,3784.26"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's alright. I'll tell you the rest. Anyway, one year, towards the end of this [unintelligible] 10-year audit, I happened to mention it to a close friend of ours, Father John Mulroy, who was a Catholic priest. He had the parish on Ivy [Street, which is now Peachtree City Avenue] and Peachtree [Street], which was a big operation at that time. We had been to his priest house, and many times for social reasons, he had come to our house many times. He had a brother who was high up in the IRS in Washington [D.C.] and I think he wrote his brother or called him about this. And do you know that about three or four weeks later I get a letter from the IRS saying they were wrong in auditing me all these years? And they found that they owed me $21,000 instead of me owing them $8,300. So, they sent me a check with the letter for $21,000. And do you know that it covered all my years of accounting pieces and all the audits? 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There was Rabbi Jacob Rothchild and Father Mulroy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3891.15,3901.83"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Spell his name. 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Experiences with the board?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=3961.78,3965.91"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e My experiences with the board were really good. It was Temple business, and I found them to be very fine people for that purpose. I didn't have any particular repercussions that I know of if people were going to talk about me. They didn't do it at that board meeting while I was president. That's been generally the case. 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Can you go into that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4018.44,4020.31"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e You remember Johnny Popham? Well, he was the Ralph McGill of Chattanooga [Tennessee]. Okay. 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They started ... A group of newspaper people got together, and started this series of seminars once a year, and they would meet here in Georgia. They were meeting in Atlanta and now they're meeting in Athens [Georgia at the] University of Georgia. They talked about past problems, and future plans and problems. So, quite an interesting group of people. 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So, this has been going on for a few decades now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4114.39,4118.32"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, way back when Ralph McGill was still alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4118.32,4121.96"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e But I only participated about three years. Three years. 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He gave me the background and when I went back to the committee, for interview purposes, they still don't know who you are. 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We talked earlier, you know, in spite of all the nasties at that time, you are virtually unknown in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4257.96,4264.67"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I purposely wanted to keep it that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4264.67,4267.89"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I know, and that is why I make this comment for the tape's purpose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4267.89,4270.71"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, also, though, it's ... You know, when you go back to the Temple bombing, especially, who did she talk to but the in-group, the old boys' network, or whatever you ... And they weren't about to ... 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Yes. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4293.35,4298.59"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4298.59,4298.67"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. Just for the tape's purpose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4298.67,4300.54"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and so that ... Then, I think, you know, fame is fleeting, too. We never aspired to be ... We didn't join any clubs. You know, what I meant is, we weren't ... Our friends were always a mixed group, both non-Jewish and Jewish. I don't know. We didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4300.54,4322.35"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e We are still that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4322.35,4322.59"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And this house was always ... I remember when there was a problem at school, somebody called me up and said, \"Marian, I think it's time we had a meeting at your house.\" But it was a small group, because it was a small group of people who were involved, really involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4322.59,4335.63"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e You are one of the few families I know that brought your children up in this home and have remained in it. I mean, most of the ... When I have interviewed people, they have moved from here to here, to here, to here, and you two have been here forever it seems like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4335.63,4348.76"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what's interesting about this home and this street, when we first built here, we wanted to live close to Lester Bercetto, who we were good friends with, him and his wife, and the American Veterans Committee group. So, then later, he bought a lot up the street and built with us. And then, along comes Richard Naiman and Doris, who also were involved with this, and they built this house across street. 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Arthur Levin's wife built the house up the street and Harold Fleming came and rented the house there. We had a civil rights neighborhood right here for a number of years, but everybody is gone. Many of them divorced or died. Yes. 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We're the only ones left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4409.98,4414.45"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e For the record, what is the address here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4414.45,4417.8"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e 1860. The street? The street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4417.8,4420.75"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e The street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4420.75,4421.1"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e The street? The street? Wellbourne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4421.1,4421.34"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4421.34,4421.8"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e See, I think, too, it's that we didn't ... Well, I was a leader. I mean, I held offices and ran, but we didn't aspire to be community leaders in any way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4421.8,4433.04"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to go into that. We haven't mentioned the social organizations that you ... All the organizations that have been mentioned so far have been with civil rights, except for the Temple. 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Incidentally, we ought to mention that she was one of the chief planners for the Community Council of [the] Atlanta [Area], a United Way organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4461.15,4467.74"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We did planning for all these social agencies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4467.74,4476.61"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e She was ... For a number of months, she was the highest paid woman planner in the Southeast probably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4476.61,4484.11"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's when I was with Shenandoah. She was serving with Shenandoah. What is ... She was serving with Shenandoah. What is ... She was serving with Shenandoah. What is ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4484.11,4487.78"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e She was serving with Shenandoah. What is ... She was serving with Shenandoah. What is ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4487.78,4488.38"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e She was serving with Shenandoah. What is ... 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So, I went as a result of my work with the community council, where they asked me to be the social planner for Shenandoah. The first bill I sent—I was never on their payroll—I sent them for $25 an hour. That's what the community council was paying me. And the lawyer who had gotten me into it called me and he said, \"Marian, your bill has been passed around to everybody at the office.\" He said, \"And it's the biggest joke.\" He said, \"Next time, please raise your salary.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4488.98,4550.46"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is a different aspect of your life in a business community, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4550.46,4554.47"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd never worked for a business; I was always non-profit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4554.47,4558.27"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4558.27,4559.81"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, then I raised it. And they raised it where, at that time, I was getting $150 an hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4559.81,4565.32"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, then in addition to that, she taught at Georgia State about eight years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4565.32,4574.93"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e About eight years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4574.93,4575.24"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And then at Mercer University for another eight years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4575.24,4579.59"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I was president of the Social Workers Club. I've done social work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4579.59,4583.33"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e That is what is amazing to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4583.33,4585.05"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I was on the board of the Georgia Council on Public Welfare, something like that. It's changed its name now since I was the board. I was president of Volunteer ... I started Volunteer Atlanta and Volunteer DeKalb. I was on the board of that. It goes way back. I was president of the Gerontology Society. 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At that time, HUD had just started funding high rises for the elderly and they could not ... By law, HUD could not do social services. So, we were asked to provide the social services, and that's how senior citizen services and all the area agencies and everything got started through the initial planning that I did. But I don't know. I think we just purposely had a low-key life. We were very happy, very satisfied, and we didn't feel the need for any kind of social prominence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4618.57,4660.7"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Besides trying to be low-key because of the dangers, I'm just not a high-key person. I've never tried to pedal my own way, and Marian has been the same way. 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Nobody knows Bob Thompson. They may not even know, probably don't even know Donald Hallowell. Donald Hallowell was the first group of black lawyers that were trained in constitutional law so that they could go out and test these cases. And he went all over Georgia being called 'Boy,' and he's a very handsome, dignified man. I don't know. I'm not surprised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4682.12,4719.51"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And your friends in the social work school at [Clark] Atlanta","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4719.51,4724.99"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Ginger ... Hill. Hill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4724.99,4729.5"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4729.5,4729.58"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hill. Hill. Hill. Yes. 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I don't know what even happened to her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4729.9,4730.34"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you could go through a litany of people that used to be involved and dynamic and active. 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She was involved with a girl named Lucille Dennison, who had been May Queen of Agnes Scott [College], and Edith Merlin, who was a close friend. Ida was not ... Edith was in Agnes Scott. Ida was not a student, but a close friend of these two. And back in the early 1940s, wasn't it? When I was in college, in the 1930s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4766.09,4798.14"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e In the 1930's? Yes. 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You know, I wasn't here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4799.91,4801.94"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e She went to ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4801.94,4804.49"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e An integrated meeting of some kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4804.49,4807.46"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e An integrated meeting in the 1930s and way across town in the black community, she and these other two girls. And police raided the meeting because they heard it would be integrated, [which was] against the law. So, these three girls were taken down, and booked in the police station, and finally their parents got them released. And nothing ever happened to the charges, but it scared the heck out of me, [unintelligible]. And my sister has never since taken any activity that might produce that type of result. 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R-E-I-D?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4872.28,4884.58"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e R-E-E-D. Okay. 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Do you want to tell him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4886.85,4892.01"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Do you want to tell him? Right. Do you want to tell him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4892.01,4892.61"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Do you want to tell him? Right. Do you want to tell him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4892.61,4893.21"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Do you want to tell him? Right. Do you want to tell him? Right. Do you want to tell him? Well, Gerry was a dentist and came to Atlanta in the 1950s, because Gerald is ... Well, they were married, you know, when Elizabeth was 16. She was not Jewish. She comes from an old line. Her mother was ... There were suffragettes in her family. It's a real old line of Americans. Gerry was a first generation American and he brought this 16-year-old girl into his home. They got married and he was in dental school. So, he couldn't afford in the private home. Really, in credit to Elizabeth and his family, they still are friends. She speaks very lovingly, very nice. There's no animosity about the family. I think that was a really unusual situation. But when they came to Atlanta—and Gerry selected Atlanta—and he got very interested in the Civil Rights Movement, Gerry joined a Great Books course. That's how he met the Hollands and that's how we met Gerry Reed. Anyway, he came up by way of the race question. He ran for the school board after he did a lot for the black community, and he was not elected, and it made him feel ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4893.21,4972.52"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e They supported a wealthy white fellow that they felt [was] like Gerry, but he could do them more good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4972.52,4981.58"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it made Gerry kind of bitter. I think what it showed us, too, is that you could not participate in the Civil Rights Movement in those days with hope of gain, or you know, any personal thing. You took your chances. But Gerry then went on and started a business with Julian Bond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=4981.58,5003.55"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And Hank Thomas, who was to operate the business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5003.55,5007.44"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e They started a business of ice cream stores, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5007.44,5010.88"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I can tell him. Yes, you better go on for that. Yes, you better go on for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5010.88,5012.51"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you better go on for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5012.51,5012.83"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you better go on for that. Yes, you better go on for that. It was Dairy Queen stores. Pop, pop, pop, they opened five of them right away without determining if they could run it. Those businesses were a real laughingstock because either they were being burglarized at night, or held up by armed robbers during the day, or employees were stealing merchandise out the back door. It was a terrible thing. And Julian Bond, of course, was way in the background. He would be the first in line if they were handing out profits. But when it came to paying for losses, he was not to be found. Gerry had really got to the point where the government was foreclosing on him, on his dental equipment for escrow money that Hank Thomas had withheld but not paid to the government. So, eventually the businesses were closed, you know, and he came and he borrowed a substantial sum against his dental equipment, so that I would have a first mortgage and the government wouldn't be able to take it. He paid the escrow taxes off and then he paid me. 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It was ... We have never heard so many antisemitic comments. We finally left. We were the only Jews there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5126.05,5162.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess they didn't know we were Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5162.41,5163.63"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e They obviously didn't know or they wouldn't have said anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5163.63,5165.77"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e That, of course ... We might have a few minutes to look at that. That, of course, is a whole change in the black community, even the older generation. That's right. 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I tend to think of it only as the younger, black-educated individuals are antisemitic, but you are telling me even in the older generation, you get that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5176.83,5185.04"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e That antisemitism is a throwback, because, I guess, that they felt that the Jews were the most vulnerable whites. Therefore, they could attack them and be accepted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5185.04,5197.77"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Dollar did this study way back—you know, it must have been done in the 1940s—about Brooklyn and antisemitism among the blacks. He found that the blacks in Brooklyn and the Bronx were very antisemitic because it was the Jews that had their stores. They worked for the Jews as domestics. They felt that they were being exploited. This was ... Dollar, did this way back. I think it was the 1940s that he did it. So, I think this is ... You know, even your father had ... Apparently, everybody we knows father had a store in the black neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5197.77,5240.11"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e And the Koreans have them now, but they were ... The blacks were kind of ... You know, I remember seeing this movie by this black director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5240.11,5255.09"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Spike Lee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5255.09,5257.58"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Spike Lee. He shows two old black men sitting in the front of their house playing checkers. One of them looks over—there's a store that this Korean family had started—and says, \"Look, at that store. That building has been vacant for over 20 years, and they come here, and start a store, and they start making money. And why didn't a black person ever do that?\" And this is the essence of the problem. The blacks have not been businesspeople, and they haven't learned how to be businesspeople. There's one other concern. There's one other concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5257.58,5296.96"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e There's one other concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5296.96,5297.16"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e There's one other concern. There's one other concern. I think one of the biggest mistakes the American Indians made was not to set up a system of courthouses and record deeds to their properties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5297.16,5305.12"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e \u003claughs\u003e So, the white people came, and set up courthouses, and took the property away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5305.12,5310.37"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e But there's one other factor about the black-Jewish feeling, I think, is that ... You're right, it's the young blacks that are the militants that are antisemitic. But we had ... We were friends—very good friends—with this black doctor and his wife, who was a social worker. We went out for dinner with them. 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I had invited them for dinner and then, we didn't hear from them again. 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Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5361.44,5361.78"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5361.78,5361.86"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. And I said, \"That's too bad because I don't ask my children who I entertain.\" They've invited us to weddings and that showed a difference. Just last year, we went to their daughter's wedding in a very fashionable church. There were only two white couples. Even 15 years from then, there would have been a lot of our other friends there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5361.86,5386.23"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I hate to end on a down note, so to speak, but the tape is about out. Okay. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5386.23,5391.61"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. Okay. I am delighted that you gave us this experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5391.61,5396.09"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e I want to say on this tape that you are an excellent stimulator of conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5396.09,5402.32"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. Very much so. Very much so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5402.32,5403.13"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Very much so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5403.13,5403.29"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eJOHN:\u003c/strong\u003e Very much so. Very much so. You really have done a remarkable job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5403.29,5406.14"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e With that, we will close because I got about maybe a minute left in before that. But you have taken us through an entire, not one, but two or three generations in human relations, not just black, white, black, Jewish, and so on. It'll be interesting to see what happens when your children get interviewed as to what the relationships are at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5406.14,5428.7"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We might add ... One thing I would like to say is that about four or five years ago our younger son said to us, \"If you knew then what we know now, would you still have acted the way you did?\" And we said, \"Yes, because you can only act the way you feel you have to act.\" But it shows his feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5428.7,5452.41"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5452.41,5453.06"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he grew up and his college life was militant among the blacks. There was no communication whatsoever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5453.06,5462.66"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Separate dormitories and everything else. Rather than integration, you get segregation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5462.66,5466.42"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Segregation, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5466.42,5466.93"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Voluntary segregation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5466.93,5468.33"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Voluntarily, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5468.33,5470.04"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, again, thank you. I will turn the tape off, and I appreciate it for myself and the organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5470.04,5475.34"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMARIAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you because you've really been very ... \u003cInterview pauses,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5475.34,5476.3"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/transcript/89056/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eWEINTRAUB:\u003c/strong\u003e resumes\u003e. For the record the tape was actually done February 4, 1997; not the 7th as indicated at the beginning of the tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580#t=5476.3,5487.8"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/annotation_set/2282","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/158879/file/289580/annotation_set/2282/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe American Jewish Committee (AJC) was founded in 1906 to safeguard the welfare and security of Jews worldwide. 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