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This interview is part of the oral history project of the American Jewish Committee and Council of Jewish Women. Now, I know, Mrs. Holland, you told me who were born here in Atlanta, which is a nice kind of thing. Were your folks also born here? \r\r","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=16.0,50.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e No, our parents came from Germany. \r\r","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=50.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, both of them? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=52.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e Both. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=53.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh-huh. Were they married before they came here? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=54.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e No. A little bit of an unusual story. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=59.0,62.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you tell it to us, please? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=62.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e My father came to this country when he was very young, I guess around 14, 15 years old. I had written a little something here just as a reminder. He was trained in Germany. His father died very young, and he was sent to a vocational school. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=67.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Excuse me, what was his name? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=90.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e He was always known here as Jack Ronstock. And of course, it was Jacob in the old country. He was the best dispositioned and the best natured and the happiest person I think I've ever known. He just loved life, and he just adored America and Atlanta. He was very, very faithful. He felt like that he owed this country something and that he owed Atlanta something. In other words, if I was out of town with him, he didn't like for me to shop out of town. He said, I make my living in Atlanta, Georgia, and there's enough for you to buy there. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=93.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e May I stop you here and ask you, you say he came when he was about 15? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=144.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=150.0,156.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e When he came, did he come alone? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=156.0,160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHOLLAND:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he had a sister here, I think it would have been... Yeah, I think there were eight children, I'd have to count them up. But anyway, he had a sister here, an older sister who lived here. He was trained in Germany originally at this school. They sent him to study to be a baker. But Unberufeni had such a good appetite that he would eat the merchandise. So they put him into a horticultural school. And it was really synonymous of the person, his profession. Later on, after his death, and there were a couple of editorials written in the paper that they even mentioned that, that the flowers really represented him. When he first came, his first job was in a greenhouse. Is it on? His first job was in a greenhouse in Long Island for $5 a month. And later, he became the private gardener on the Joseph Pulitzer estate in Bar Harbor, Maine. He and my mother met at the German club in New York. And when I read the book, Our Crowd, a lot of the things in it were familiar to me from what I'd heard him talk about. They were married very young in 1913, and he came to Atlanta because he'd been offered a better job here in Atlanta, which was with the Nunley candy people, but in those days candy and flowers went together, and Nunley's had a flower shop in their candy store, which was opposite, it was on Peachtree, opposite where the Old Piedmont Hotel was. When they built the Peachtree Arcade, he was the first tenant in the Peachtree Arcade, and the shop was on the inside of the Arcade. But not long after that, for many, many years, until they tore down the Peachtree Arcade, the shop was at the Peachtree Entrance to the Arcade. Many, many politicians and bankers and friends of his, children, older people, would come through the store and he never let anyone go out without a flower. And that was, uh, he just, uh... He just loved his business, and my sister and I were talking about it the other day. The workroom was at the other end of the Peachtree Arcade, and he ran up and down those steps back and forth to the workroom. I don't know how he lived through it, but with every order. He was a very industrious, hardworking person, and he was beloved. And successful with it. He loved the land, he loved land. Many years ago, he bought this property that we live on, which is 50 acres, and built the store on Roswell Road after the arcade was torn down. At one time, there were three shops, when Lenox first opened, those we don't have anymore. But we do have the shop on Roswell Road that my sister runs. And in, that is the Weinstock's Flower Shop. My mother only came here, an aunt and uncle went to Germany to visit relatives. The aunt and uncle said, let Biddy, my mother, come back to the United States and go to school for a year or two. It'll be good. They had two children about her same age. And she liked it. So let me stay another year. And let me say another year, in the meantime, she met my father. And also, the First World War was imminent. And of course, they did not. My grandparents didn't let her come home then. She married my father. They came to Atlanta like on their honeymoon for this new job. My mother died in 1918 during the flu epidemic. And my father imported a German governess from New York. And she was with me from the time I was four until I was 12. Was very fond of her, and very close to her. But when I was six years old, two years after my mother died, and the war was over, my father went to Germany to show his respect and to meet his in-laws that he had never met. And my mother had one sister. And I think it's in the Jewish religion. He married, while he was there, he married my aunt. And brought her back to this country. So that my sister is my cousin by my mother, by this mother, this Ann, and my sister are my father's son, by my father. But of course we're very, very close and there's no difference. I mean, we're just sisters, that's all. As I said, he loved the land, and he bought this property in 1926 or something. It was just wilderness. I mean, where we live now is the center of town. At that time, it was wilderness. We didn't build any homes here until a number of years later, and then he built the Greenhouses and not enough store first in the green house It's like family property. He built himself a home, which is there, and later gave it to my sister and brother-in-law. Three years later, we built this home, which is like 45 years ago. And then. He built a smaller home for themselves at the foot of the hill, and then... My daughter built next door. So there are four homes here, and they're family homes. My mother only died two years ago. I'll say that during the... My father brought many, many people to this country, including... Grandmother and my mother's mother and his sister. Well, he brought about 30 people to this country, some that he knew and some that only knew of and was asked to bring. And finally, the government stopped him and wouldn't allow him to bring anymore because you had to vouch that you would support these people if they were brought to this county. But we have many nice stories to tell of their success and he was never disappointed in anyone that he ever brought. And it brought him. A great deal of pleasure to do that. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=160.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Did the government... Feel that if these people could not earn their own way, that your father could not support them all, is that why they stopped him? 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We've stopped at this point because Betty Nathan, the sister of Carolyn Howling, came in. And we thought it would be nice if she could join in part of the interview about old family patterns and activities. So she will be joining us from time to time. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=690.0,713.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e When I was born, we lived on Washington Street, and that's where most of the Jewish people lived. I still have very close friends that... See, and with, and have been, you know, for all these years, and it's one of the great advantages of living in the same city that you're born in, which makes it very sentimental and wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=713.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e How old were you when you lived on Washington Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=744.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e We moved away from Washington Street when my sister was just still a twinkle in mother's eye, and because, to tell you the truth. My mother saw a mouse run across the bed, and she called my father and was so upset. And he was the kind of person, he went out that day, found a house, it belonged to a prominent minister here, and his wife had died and he wanted to sell. And my father just bought the house, lock, stock, and barrel, furniture in it, called her up that, called her that night, and said, you have a new house. But that's the way he did things. And we lived on Park Drive, which was right at the entrance to Piedmont Park, and Betty was born there, until I got married. I was married at 18, and then my parents lived nearby in the neighborhood. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=748.0,807.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e When was that, when you were 18? What year? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=807.0,812.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e 1932. We moved in 1933. You moved in 33. Well, I was born, I mean, I married in 32 and a year later they moved, but we lived there and had wonderful neighbors and they're still friendly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=812.0,827.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it a Jewish neighborhood, both on Washington Street and Park Street? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=827.0,832.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e No. There were many more Jewish people on Washington street. No, I don't know, but two Jewish people that lived in our neighborhood on Park Drive. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=832.0,844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Was your father active in the synagogue? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=844.0,848.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Not really active in a synagogue. He joined anything and everything in the city. There wasn't anything that he didn't participate in and join. In fact, my mother didn't speak a word of English. My aunt didn't speak a word of English when she came to this country. That's how I learned to speak German, and I do speak rather fluently. But they, you know. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=848.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Betty, let me say this, daddy was not a participant in the temple, not the synagogue, but the temple. He was a member and He was not a temple goer, but he was a religious man, in my estimation. My mother was very active in the temple, and did all the cooking. She did all of the sedars. Every year for the public sedars, she cooked for all the sisterhood meetings. And I can remember every holiday, Dr. Marks calling her in, because she was in the kitchen, and blessing her. We were always very active in the temple. Dr. Marks was our rabbi, as you know, for many, many years. And I would say he felt very close to our family because we were participants and supporters of the temple \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=883.0,951.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, in fact, I am a past president of the Sisterhood, Temple Sisterhood. My mother and I did a lot of work for the Council of Jewish Women during the war. We were the committee to greet the newcomers and to find lodging for them, collect furniture, clothing, all that, you know, sort of thing. And we had some wonderful experiences that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=951.0,989.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e This was refugees from Hitler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=989.0,992.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. That's right, from the Holocaust. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=992.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e My mother did take both of us to Europe when I was two and Karen was nine to see our grandparents. We grew up as a big part of the temple, and of civic things. 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And she remembered in the, as I said, he joined so many things, he joined everything for her too. She was a member until she died of the burdens club and it was really quite something to hear her say the poem. Uh, we level now see in her with a German accent. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1058.0,1082.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e It sounds as though your parents were very intellectually active as well as communally active. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1082.0,1094.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we were brought up to... 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I don't think that they felt any as such I know that My father made the KKK pieces for funerals, and he did all of Governor Talmadge's funeral. In fact, when we had two governors at that time, they went and decorated the governor's mansion. I know when I was at the store one day working, and my husband was already with my father in business, I was opening the mail and I saw a check come in from Samuel Green, who was head of the Ku Klux Klan. And I got, it said on that, be careful Jack, it's Ku Klux money. And I've got panicking, ran to him, you know, look at this, and he said, oh Betty, don't pay any attention, he's been sending it in that way for 20 years. And we're very good friends, it was just a joke. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1121.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e He never really, he was an optician and his place of business was in the Peachtree Arcade too. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1174.0,1180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e So they knew each other back then. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1180.0,1181.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e They knew each other and they were friendly. In those days, Atlanta was small and there were very few floors. All we had to do was say our name was Weinstock and everybody knew who it was. And he knew everybody. And he was very beloved. Beloved. Well, when he went to Europe. Twice with my grandmother. I have letters that are from the mayors of the city and the governors.\r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1181.0,1218.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e You didn't have the plastic cards then, so these were letters of recommendation for money that, you know, that he could go to a bank and get money, or what have you. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1218.0,1231.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e One was Hugh Dorsey, one was, I had two from Governor Talmadge, I have one from Mayor Ragsdale, Mayor Kee, Mayor Hartsfield, they all, you know, he was, in fact, when they dedicated the building in Long Springs to President Roosevelt, he was head of the committee for decorating it. And he went down there and. Oh, I still remember when he came back how excited he was. There were mostly big men there, and so there were no place guards. And I think it was Roosevelt and his bodyguards, and then General Falling, and then Daddy was sitting. And he was so impressed with Roosevelt and how his courage, you know, because he had to unscrew everything to sit down and get up. But he was very impressed with him. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1231.0,1289.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e It must have been very exciting. 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There was a time there was hardly anyone that we didn't know, But from the all groups and all synagogues, temples, and what have you. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1300.0,1337.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we had a very happy family, like my father was very easy going, and he did not make it easy for my mother because if she corrected us, he said if you have to correct the children, I'll just go to the Kimbell House, which was across the street from his door. 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But I think that we grew up with a very warm family feeling, which is what he wanted, and he would have liked everybody to be around. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1366.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you observe the Sabbath or birthdays, holidays? 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And always had, during the war, always had one, two, or three soldiers, always joined us for dinner. And we had, my parents had very close friends that one year we had Passover in their home and one year they had it with us. They alternated. But that was the same wonderful, wonderful person who worked in the kitchen with mother to do all the sisterhood luncheons and Passover affairs and things like that. In fact, the first Temple Sisterhood cookbook was dedicated to my mother and Elsie Salamons. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1396.0,1454.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's nice. Mm-hmm. When you married, did your husband go into your father's business?  \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1454.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my husband was an attorney, and he also came from Germany. He'd had a very difficult childhood because he lost both of his parents by the time he was four. And he came to live with the bachelor uncle here, who ran a furniture store. And he, the uncle, played Pinochle every single night. My husband, I think, was very lonesome. So he went to night school with an English-German dictionary. And took law grad, thinking it would help him learn the English language and improve himself. 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And my sister who at the time was 11 years old, invited my husband's uncle to come live with my parents. And he came and lived with my parents. For about three years, and until we brought my husband's sister and brother-in-law and their daughter, young daughter over. And he was so attached to my parents that he rented a home in the back yard. They touched each other so that he would be close to my parents. Every occasion and every affair, they will, you know, always, always hear. One little incident that might be of interest, I don't know it's, when my parents went to Germany because my grandfather had passed away, my, they brought my grandmother back and she had, there was just a little bit of money, a little, a very little, but they, there There was a game called Mensch ärgere Dich nicht that's 'person don't aggravate yourself' played something like It was checkers or something. I am Pollyanna and they put a little bit of money in the bottom of the cardboard box to this game They left that, because they were being searched and so forth on board ship, they left that game casually on a deck chair for the whole trip for the week. And then when they were ready to disembark, they just casually picked up the game and brought it. 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The oldest is a stockbroker. And my daughter works part-time at the Suzuki school, and my youngest son followed in my husband's footsteps and is an attorney. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1698.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e They all live in Atlanta? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1723.0,1724.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e They all live in Atlanta, fortunately. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1724.0,1727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e You're lucky. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1727.0,1728.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Very lucky, very lucky. 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Well, I'll say that my two sons are very active civically, very. My youngest son is on the board at the temple right now, he's in the head of the education committee, the Sunday school committee. And my oldest son is... Very active, you know, in a more city-wide capacity. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1759.0,1801.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e One time he was president of the junior chamber, don't worry. I have a daughter in law who's very, very active at the museum. At council, I did a lot of work, various jobs for council. 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I had a nice incident, it was a German family that I settled here and they had one son, very young, and she was pregnant and very much upset about it, but we moved her and she had the new baby and we moved her into an apartment and she called me the next day absolutely beside herself. There were bed bugs in the apartment. So I went over and I got the baby who was about three months old at the time and brought her to my house and kept her overnight while they fumigated the apartment, and so forth. And sixteen years later, when my daughter was being serenaded to become the sweetheart of one of the fraternities, we went by to pick up the other two girls that were on court, and one of those girls was this little girl that I had had at the house, as a little baby. And it was very nostalgic and very sweet. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1876.0,1985.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e You were active with the Temple and the Service Guild and Council while your children were going up. 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It just so happened that when the family, they were related to a very prominent family here, the Detles, and when the son and daughter-in-law and very young child came to this country. Mr. Diller asked if I would go to the train to meet them because he couldn't speak the language, which I did. And then a few years later they brought her mother over and it was after that that she came and lived with us for 18 years and we were. Still reminisce about her and just love her, and we're still very, very friendly with her grandchildren. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=1995.0,2080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's nice. In later years, more recently, I know the Council of Jewish Women has been very active in helping to settle refugees not from Germany, but from the Soviet Union. Were you active in that aspect at all? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2080.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e No. I have not participated in that. I just sort of do those spasmodic jobs that I've been asked to do with various things, but I have not participated in them. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2096.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e It certainly sounds as though your family's activities and yours in helping to resettle Holocaust refugees was probably almost full-time work. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2113.0,2127.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e It took a lot of time that it did, but it was very pleasurable and very rewarding, very rewarding. \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2127.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e We always had someone living with us at many, a lot of the time that we had brought over. Mother's cousins and my grandmother and my aunt, my father's sister that came over in 35. No, my grandmother came over 35 and my Aunt came over 38 and they lived with us. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2139.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e In fact, one of my mother's cousins, that we brought over as a very young man, went to work for my father, became a florist, and moved to LaGrange, Georgia, and was a florist down there, and he was very successful, he's retired now, and very successful. And I had a lot to learn. Thank you. The business from a father. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2162.0,2193.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, but you were president of the sisterhood at the temple. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2193.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.\r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2197.0,2198.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e More than once, I guess, right? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2198.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but the second time I didn't serve very long because I was pregnant. Today that wouldn't happen. You'd go right on to the ninth month. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2200.0,2209.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e What kinds of special projects was the Sisterhood involved in when you were that active? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2209.0,2219.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Mainly I think with the activities at the temple, also fundraising for various things that we thought were needed at the Temple. Service to the blind. We did have a committee for that, and some people took the courses. And some of us, at some time, drove this blind man who was going to school and needed transportation. He was a remarkable person. We did assist that way. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2219.0,2268.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Did that lead to participation in the Atlanta Association for the Blind? \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2268.0,2281.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e He taught, and many of his sisters and members did the braille work on the special machine. It was connected very strongly with the city. Of course, some of that time it was war time, and mother and many other ladies with the temple, a lot doing Roman bandages or whatever they did during the war. I was away with my husband because he was in the service and I was a camp follower so I don't remember what all they did. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2281.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I worked at the Red Cross and Buckhead during that time, too, but I'm very excited because just this past month, my ten-year-old granddaughter had a project for school, and it was on the blind about seeing eye dogs, and this child went into it in great depth. She wrote all over the country for information. She has a beautiful booklet on it. We collected all of her money and donated her $40 to the blind. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2318.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e That's lovely, at age 10. \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2360.0,2362.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e At age 10, and now she's busy trying to train her Ed Dale dog to be a lead dog. I think he's a little old. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2362.0,2373.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e To be trained in this new profession. Do you think that your participation in the community, your husband's, your whole family's, has influenced your children in any way in their communal participation? \r\rHOLLAND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2373.0,2393.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I don't think it can help but rub off a little. It has to, yes. As I said, the two boys are very, particularly are very active. The oldest one is very active right now in the project Exodus, which is cities... Cities in schools. There's one at Rich's, in the basement of Rich's. A school there. These are children that have been on the street, that are on their own. I think there are full schools in there. One at St. Luke's and one at Ritchie's, I know. I was very impressed with it. My older son, who just turned 50, wouldn't let me give him a gift. And he asked me to donate to the school in his honor instead. But I went down to see the school, and I went to a meeting. And I was impressed with that. And he's very active in that and has been on the. Campaign to raise funds for it, just recently. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2393.0,2470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e In what other ways do you think that you and your husband and your total family have influenced your children and their interests in what they've done? \r\rSpeaker 3","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2470.0,2483.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I sense it. A lot of it goes back to their memories of daddy and mother, like, of course, in the later years. But daddy, the children were very close to daddy. And I think that a lot of what he felt was rubbed off because he didn't want to do it. They all feel very good. Close family, I mean, between us. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2483.0,2516.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I think they're civic-minded, is the best way I can put it. I know that my youngest son is very active in the children's school, where they go to school. My husband was a great believer in education. He always told them that he would pay for as much education as they wanted, and that That was the one thing no one could ever take away from. 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Some of the grandchildren, three of the boys went, or two of the boys went to Lovitz for a short time, but they, the others have all graduated from public school. One is out of college and in radio work. One will graduate this year, and two, well, one's going to be in the computer field. And the other one, I think, is going to go to New York to study and follow his father's footsteps as a stockbroker. So good. All coming along. I've got one graduating from high school, two from college. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2562.0,2621.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e My grandchildren. Grandchildren. I imagine you're very proud. I'm very proud of you. Very. I just think so. If you were a little children now. Would you raise them any differently than you raised your... \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2621.0,2645.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I would try to raise them the same. I don't know how far I could get with that project. It's a very, very different world. Alright, in what ways is this different? I'm very, one of those that's very upset that they don't have their parents with them as much as I think is necessary. Very upset about it. Both parents, I think with both parents work and they talk to me about this thing called quality time. How much quality time is there for a woman and a man that work come home at six o'clock at night have to worry about feeding the children have to do their studies and then what time is left for this so-called quote quality time this upsets me and if a child has something on their mind or is upset about something at two or three in the afternoon when they get home from school and there's no one there to discuss it with or help them work out their problem then where do they turn? They turn to the wrong source. And I give this a lot of thought. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2645.0,2727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e That is something that's different. Yet you were active while your children were growing up. Did you adapt your activity to their means or by subversive? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2727.0,2739.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Well I was home, I mean for instance, with all of that, I had a daughter that took music twice a week, dancing twice a day, and was in the scouts once a week. So that was five days and I had no one to drive so I certainly worked it in between that. You know, what I did, I worked that out because we lived here where there was no transportation. We only had one car at the time, and I had to pick my husband up in Buckhead, take him to Buckhead to get bus every morning, and then pick him up at night. My son was in football, and that meant six, seven o'clock at night, picking him up, my older son. It was, they had my time, they got plenty of my time. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2739.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Some people call that chauffeuring. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2795.0,2799.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but they have you in that car, your undivided attention. The phone isn't ringing, and they have your undivided attention even when you're in the car. And I know that now they chauffer in larger groups. Nice trips with my mother before she passed away. Twelve years ago, we went to Africa. Where she had cousins that lived there. And we ran across them again in a very strange way. But it was when my mother died during the First World War and there was no correspondence between America and Germany, it was through this uncle in Africa that they finally got the message and he got it to my grandparents. And we were traveling in Europe once. Mother, my sister Betty, myself, and my brother-in-law sent us a letter that the cousin had written that they were coming to the States and wanted to see us and that they was sorry that so much time had elapsed since we'd seen them and so forth. And we figured out they would be in Rome the same time we were. We didn't know where they were staying. And of course, they didn't we were abroad. So they, when we got to Rome... We had the concierge call the hotels and of course we found them very quickly and this was one cousin that my mother had never met and she had met her sister. Her sister had come here on her honeymoon and visited us and she's a pianist, well a prominent pianist and does adjudicating in South Africa and since then they've come here to visit us and we have been there to visit them. Which was a wonderful trip. Then one other time, my mother wanted to go back to Germany, particularly to visit a school friend of hers. Munich, Germany. The parents of this woman were friends of my grandparents. They were non-Jewish, but they'd always remain very close friends. And we did go back. We, of course, made it a longer trip, but we did go to see them, and we have kept in touch the whole time. In fact, they are under a little financial difficulties, and my sister and I have... Continue to do what my mother did, send things to them during the years. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2799.0,2966.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e So your family ties have extended over half the world. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2966.0,2972.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Very nice. The cousins from Africa have a home. Miami and they come once a year and sometimes I go down and see them and sometimes they come here now when Betty and I were in Europe this past fall we did go to see them at home they're making their home now in Cannes because they were from Rhodesia and needless to say they can't live there anymore And we, they make it in can, and we did go and have three nice days. With a man visiting. In your travels, have you ever been to Israel? That's quite a story, too. Please, be my guest. My father lost both of his parents about the time he was four. And I think a year later, his A year after his mother died, his father remarried. They had another, there was my, by the first marriage there was my husband and his sister. They were just a year apart. A year after the mother died, he remarried, and there was another child by that marriage. Many years later, my husband, the poor woman, I guess, didn't have any money, and she didn't know what to do with these children, and she put them in a Catholic orphanage in Germany. A maiden aunt who lived here in Atlanta, she happened to have been one of the three people that started the community center over on Capitol Avenue. She and Mr. Lichtenstein and Creeks Harbor and Melanie Fieberman was her name. She went over and she kidnapped these two children out of the orphanage and she was apprehended but they got it settled and they settled the two children. With an aunt and uncle that had no children in Germany, and they were educated and raised there. When at the age of 19, my husband came to this country to go to work for the... Bachelor uncle here. But, oh, about, I think about 1968 or 1969. Israeli consul here had a letter from a young man in Israel saying that he thought he had an uncle here By the name of Kurt Holland and did he know him and he contacted him and then we were very Correspondence went back and forth and we were they're excited about it and my husband and I went to Israel and We were there two weeks and we of course saw them Numerous times we didn't stay with them. They didn't have the room naturally, but We were with them and saw them This was after \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=2972.0,3161.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e 1969 yeah, was that the only time? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3161.0,3164.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the only time I've been to Israel, yes, but I found it fascinating and I loved it, and that was great. Fascinating in what ways? It's just different than any other place that you visit. I love that the people live their religion rather than worry about whether they have formal religion. They live it. That I appreciate. Don't appreciate that reform Judaism, which is what I practice, is not allowed to be practiced to the full extent in Israel, that upsets me and aggravates me. But it doesn't keep me from contributing and wishing them well. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3164.0,3225.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e And success. I know that people have different attitudes depending on their own beliefs and their own thinking and their feeling. When you went abroad, whether with your husband or after his death, did the children go with you at any time? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3225.0,3256.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. It was a long time before my husband and I traveled, because financially, people would say, where are you going on your vacation in the summer? And he would answer and say, my children went to camp. So we tried to send them to nice camps. Two oldest ones went to up to the north woods of Wisconsin, and the youngest one went to Maine. But after that, My husband wanted to go back and visit his mother's grave. Well, my oldest son was sent, during the Berlin crisis, was sent to France. And we went over to see him and then, of course, made a trip out of it. That's. Well, that was, I think, our first trip. We did go, we did find his mother's grave. We found it in perfect order. It was a very interesting experience. People, it was a couple there that ran the cemetery, a very small one. It was like a little park and their home was attached to the cemetery which was completely walled in. And they showed us the book where his mother was the 14th person buried in that cemetery. Sorry, I'm not in the mood. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3256.0,3349.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it an old Jewish cemetery? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3349.0,3356.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e And they had built a memorial monument there when you entered the cemetery. But the couple that ran the cemetery, when we walked in, he was sitting out there just sunning. And he was Jewish, and she was non-Jewish. She had rescued him. Excuse me, either before or after they were married, I don't know, he was blind and it was because of the atrocities that he was blind. But they they just clung to us and she wouldn't let us go and she had to tell us the whole story. It was quite a thing. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3356.0,3403.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e That's going to remember, obviously. Did your husband die a long time ago? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3403.0,3411.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e It'll be seven years in August. \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3411.0,3418.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I think at one point I had asked you if you were raising children now, today, would you do anything differently than you did when they were young and you were raised in the \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3418.0,3439.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e I doubt it. I doubt. Maybe that sounds conceited, but I feel that they had a lot of attention. That we, I think we've set a good example for them. They certainly had a lot of love, a lot of love and were very fortunate. To live next door to grandparents. Who adored them, and they adored the grandparents in turn. I don't think...I don't know of anything that... \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3439.0,3481.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e Are they as close with each other and with you and your sister as you and your husband were with your larger family? You mean the grandchildren? Yes. Do your children keep as closely knit together as you and your sisters did and your grandparents? \r\rALPERT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3481.0,3502.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959/transcript/87259/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALPERT:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think they're quite as close, and they don't see as much of each other. I know that the two boys have to talk to each other a great deal because they do so much for us and handle all of our business affairs, otherwise it would have to be in public as far as I'm concerned. My sister's good at it, but I'm terrible. The lives that they lead, I think, I don't know what it is that people don't have as much time. Well, I do know. Part of it is they don't the help at home to give them the freedom to do. I mean, they have the trouble of getting citizens, because some of them, the older men don't meet citizens, but the young ones. The problem of citizens and so forth. Deal of the grandchildren and all the other grandparents live out of the city and I say I know about all the chickenpox broken bones and the toxalitis and they don't have that pleasure but I get a great deal of pleasure out of them and they are here with me a great many times. They're very considerate of me, and my children are wonderful. I try to be very independent and not burden them, more than necessary, but they're very, very attentive. I think that shows the quality of what you gave them when they were younger, too. I'm trying to think at the moment of other kinds of things that may have been of great interest in your life that we haven't even touched on yet. I don't know if you were active with the museum or you said your daughter had music and dance lessons. Did you have, were you involved with music in any way or dance? You know, as a young child, I had... All of those privileges. I took music lessons, I can't play a note, and I took dancing lessons and that I was very interested in. My daughter was in the Atlanta City Ballet for a time. But no, I have not been very active at the museum. Financially but not. I haven't worked for you. Have you developed what people might call hobbies? That things that interest you Whether it's just for fun or whether you're skillful at it or whatever No, I enjoy entertaining, and I enjoy cooking. I love to have people in. And somehow or another, I'm very fortunate with all the friends. We stay very busy and go out a lot. People have been wonderful to us, and we have some very, very close friends that we can just wait. We've made a ruling that we pay our own way, so that we go out with another couple or so. We don't want to be a burden, you know, so we can just on the spur of the moment go out with someone, have a supper somewhere, see a good movie. We have season tickets for the ballet, for the symphony, for all the theater that comes. All of that we do. And then a little work here at the Philip, for one organization or another, just a little something. Oh, I'm driving for Dart. Oh. Yeah. So I know it well. And I've driven this one gentleman from the Jewish tower a couple of times just last week. And he was really a jolly nice man. When I told him who I was, he said he remembered some of the black people bringing flowers down to his brother's shoe store down on Alabama Street. I can assure you the flowers were stolen. My father had a terrible problem. You know, he probably got a pair of shoes for the flowers that he brought. But it was funny. This man had been in Atlanta for many, many years. I don't know whether he was born here. But he just knew everybody. He knew everybody, too. Nice purse. I'm newer to Atlanta. But I understand that the cultural kinds of things that you're enjoying now have not been so widespread in Atlanta until comparatively recently. Isn't that right? Is that true? You're correct. Opera, except for a few short years, we had opera for... You mean an Atlanta Opera Company? No. Well, it was, but no, no, no. But the Met came, because I remember going as a child, I remember exactly what I saw. But no, there were many things missing. I'm very proud of my city for what it's doing now. I think when you go to the ballet, it's a beautiful thing to behold. The symphony is marvelous. I'm very thrilled that we had that. I can't see that I'm so thrilled that the city is getting so big. It's really growing a little too fast, because I think some of the things that need to be done are being overlooked. But some of it is transportation and roads, but they're just making it impossible. There isn't enough planning done, not nearly enough, for what they're letting go up. They're letting them build too close to the street so that it can't be widened. I mean, Leonard's Road is an example that's impossible. It's just unbelievable. And I'd understood that. Northside Drive and Lennox Road are the two that I'm thinking of, just off the top of my head. But I had understood that those were on the planning board for years and years to be widened. And it's, it's not being done and that can't be done because of those thousands of condominiums on Lennox road. But they're adding another hotel and something else for traffic, Which I think is just terrible I think our city planners need to do a little more. One of my questions was going to be, you know, what do you think of Atlanta and its growth? And you've gotten right into that right away. That's what I think. Yesterday, a Tuesday, the traffic was unbelievable. I had to go nearly to Roswell, Georgia and come back. And it was awful, just terrible. The whole day was awful yesterday, the traveling. Usually Mondays and Fridays are the worst, but this was just the worst I've ever been in. So, in other words, you would recommend more comprehensive planning. Yes, I certainly would. For amenities as well as new growth. I've often heard that if you stand still, you're going backwards. There's no such thing as standing still. But I'd like to see us go forward with a little more city planning. And our transportation is, the public transportation, they are of course, with more, that's a big help, but still the parking and all, and to get there is... And you don't feel as though you're in the country anymore? Oh, no, I'm not in the county. I used to ask people if they'd come over for an evening, and they would say they'd live in Druida Hills. And they said, I just don't know if we can get to Tennessee to do it. It's a little too far. And now we're right in the middle. Well, when we moved out here, we were not in a city limits. And we did not have city water. We had an artesian well. We didn't have city wall. And, in fact, we didn't even have gays. When my father built the house, they had to have it all electric. By the time we built the house, because he was going to build the greenhouses and use gas. Then they piped the gas in. Doing something. So I sound like I come from the Middle Ages. No, but you know, through this kind of thing, we get a sense of the movement and growth of a city, which you don't get just from looking at it front-wise, as it were. That's right. So that's why. Because I can go to an affair. Many many times and people say where you from and I say Atlanta they say no I mean before that where you're from I say well I was born here and I can be the only person in the room of 50 That came from Atlanta was born Well, that's what makes for cosmopolitan cities, I guess. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages. In slow periods and depression periods that we've had a little bit of off and on, you certainly don't feel it as much in Atlanta as you do in other places. You don't hear about it as you need to. It doesn't exist as much. They just keep right on building. I don't know who goes into all these places. Somebody must. You know, I'd like to stop here. I think we've both kind of worn down a bit. But if I would like to leave it open, in case you think of something that I haven't thought to ask you, you have my telephone number. You can call me and I can return. That's very sweet. I'm glad we got to know each other. I am, too. Where are you from originally? My home is New York, Manhattan. What I would like for you to do is to sign this release. Is this still on? Yeah. And this release with your signature says that only this material will be available only for scholars and research, not for any other purpose. And with that, I'd like to say thank you very, very much. It's been a pleasure. And it's been lovely to meet you. Well, it was very nice. And I hope that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163677/file/297959#t=3502.0,4299.0"}]}]}]}