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Janet emphasizes that her parents taught her to treat everyone equally despite their background, both inside and outside of the family business. Kayser and Lilienthal was never segregated, and the store served customers of all backgrounds. Janet also shares how her brother’s death impacted her parents before mentioning the store’s competitors, the Kiralfys. Again, she explains how she briefly took over the store’s management after her father died before eventually closing the business.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e            Janet also shares her experiences attending Jewish social events throughout the South, such as Ballyhoo in Atlanta, the Falcon in Montgomery, and the Jubilee in Birmingham, Alabama. She then talks about growing up with American Christian traditions, like Christmas trees and Easter eggs. She also explores her dating life and explains why she decided to marry Aaron Cohn. Janet talks about why she and Aaron decided to remain in Columbus as well. 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Consequently, she was one of the original, \u0026ldquo;Ten Best Dressed Women in Columbus.\u0026rdquo;\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; She grew up attending the Temple Israel Reform congregation in Columbus and was a part of the local Jewish youth group, which included children from the Reform and Conservative communities. She met her future husband, Judge Aaron Cohn, through this youth group. As a young woman, she attended multiple gatherings hosted at Jewish social clubs throughout the South, like Ballyhoo in Atlanta, the Falcon in Montgomery, and the Jubilee in Birmingham, Alabama. \u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; Janet married Aaron in 1941, and together they had three children: Gail Cohn, Jane Cohn Kulbersh, and Leslie Cohn. In adulthood, she focused on raising her family but also participated in philanthropic efforts. She volunteered at the Medical Center and was on the board of the Ann Elizabeth Sheppard Home.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; Janet passed away in 2011 at the age of 89.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eJanet begins by exploring her family history, describing how her parents moved from Selma, Alabama, to Columbus, Georgia, shortly after she was born. She tells the story of how her father founded the high-end ladies\u0026rsquo; ready-to-wear clothing store, Kayser and Lilienthal. Janet also shares how her parents met in Baltimore. She then explains how her grandparents came to settle in Selma, Alabama and opened a family business. Janet also discusses how Fort Benning provided an important clientele for her father\u0026rsquo;s shop in Columbus before explaining her decision to close the store after her father died.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; Janet then talks about her family\u0026rsquo;s membership at Temple Israel, a Reform congregation in Columbus, Georgia, and about growing up Jewish. She explains that she joined a youth group that consisted of children from both the local Reform and Conservative communities, and that this is how she met her future husband, Judge Aaron Cohn. She also discusses what it was like to grow up Jewish in Columbus and have predominantly non-Jewish friends.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; Janet also talks about living through the integration period in Columbus, and the racial as well as religious divides in the community. She then returns to discussing her father\u0026rsquo;s store, and how she worked at the store. Janet emphasizes that her parents taught her to treat everyone equally despite their background, both inside and outside of the family business. Kayser and Lilienthal was never segregated, and the store served customers of all backgrounds. Janet also shares how her brother\u0026rsquo;s death impacted her parents before mentioning the store\u0026rsquo;s competitors, the Kiralfys. Again, she explains how she briefly took over the store\u0026rsquo;s management after her father died before eventually closing the business.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; \u0026nbsp; Janet also shares her experiences attending Jewish social events throughout the South, such as Ballyhoo in Atlanta, the Falcon in Montgomery, and the Jubilee in Birmingham, Alabama. She then talks about growing up with American Christian traditions, like Christmas trees and Easter eggs. She also explores her dating life and explains why she decided to marry Aaron Cohn. Janet talks about why she and Aaron decided to remain in Columbus as well. She also discusses her limited Jewish education and how many of her family members were not especially religious. Before concluding, Janet talks about her paternal great-grandfather, Jacob Rothschild and her life in Columbus.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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My name is Sandra Berman; I'm the archivist at the Breman, and I'm very thankful and grateful that you were here with us today and have agreed to do this interview. I'd like to talk to you a little bit about your background, initially. If you can tell me where you were born and where you were raised, and your parents' names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I was born in Selma, Alabama [United States], in September the 2nd, 1921. I left there with...[banging noise in background]...my parents when I was two years old and came to Columbus, Georgia [United States], where my father opened up the ladies' ready-to-wear store. He came here because of Fort Benning [Georgia, United States], and he knew that the ladies all dressed very eloquently at the affairs that they had. We were very happy here in Columbus because my mother was very miserable in Selma, Alabama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=31.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What were their names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=67.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: My mother's name was Ruth Gump Lilienthal. The Lilienthal came, of course, after she married my father. My father's name was Leslie Holzman Lilienthal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=68.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Why was your mother miserable in Selma, Alabama?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=82.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: She came from a big city of Baltimore, Maryland [United States], and she was not used to the small talk that people did in Selma. Plus, everybody knew everybody's business, and she preferred her privacy, which she didn't have in Selma. My mother said you could even hear the toilet flush, that the town was so small. She made a couple of real big mistakes in Selma. It was best that she come to us...like the city of Columbus, which had about eight or ten thousand people at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=85.0,122.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What were her mistakes in Selma?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=122.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: [memoirist chuckles] She and my father... She was only 20 years old, and she had a little male dog. This gentleman, Mr. Jones, had a female, and it was in season. My mother, using the proper term, turned to Mr. Jones and said, \"Mr. Jones, I understand you have a little bitch in season. I would like to mate my male dog with it...with yours.\" The gentleman said, [memoirist imitates noise of exasperation] and Pop, my father, punched my mother. To make a long story short, she said to the gentleman...walked away and she said, \"I just don't understand why it was the matter with him. A little bitch is just a female dog. My father said, \"You are in Selma, Alabama, and we don't talk that way.\" That was the end of my mother. She was quite a character in Selma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=124.0,184.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: How did your parents meet if he was from Baltimore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=184.0,187.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: My God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=187.0,187.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: She was from Baltimore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=187.0,189.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: My father had played basketball in high school, and he had gotten blood poisoning in his arm, in his left arm. It went into his right arm, and they took him to Baltimore, Maryland, to Johns Hopkins, where my great uncle was a first graduate of Johns Hopkins. He, along with my aunt's future husband, took care of my father and, of course, saved his arm. They introduced my grandmother, [Annie Rothschild] Lilienthal—who was my father's mother—introduced her to my grandmother [Jeanette \"Jenny\" Hamburger] Gump, because they were going to be there for a lengthy time. In that way they...my father used to have meals with his...with my parents...my grandparents, my mother's parents, at least. He would carry my mother's books home from school. They were there for such a long period of time that they fell in love. My grandfather [Abraham Gabriel] Gump said, \"Ruth [Gump Lilienthal],\" which is my mother's name, \"You'll never make it in a small town like that.\" My grandfather was right and they moved to Columbus. But that's how they met through the surgery that my father had to have at Johns Hopkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=189.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: How did the...your grandparents originally come to Selma?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=277.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: My grandparents... What happened... My great-grandfather fought in the Civil War and he had... My great-grandmother had twin daughters and, eventually, my great-grandfather brought his twins to Selma. He had traveled many places before he came to Selma. But somehow, he just landed, and he came to Selma, and he had his twin daughters. He lost his wife soon after they were born. He raised the two girls and they moved to Selma. And they lived side-by-side until they passed away, which was... They passed away within two weeks of each other, and they lived to be quite elderly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=285.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What were their names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=336.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: My grandmother's name was Annie Lilienthal... Annie Rothschild Lilienthal. My other... My great-aunt was named Betty Holtzman Catten. No... What... Aunt Betty [Rothschild] Holzman. Consequently, they had a wonderful relationship. They were just with each other all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=337.0,367.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What did your family do in Selma? What did your grandfather do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=367.0,370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: My grandfather has...had a men's store in Selma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=370.0,376.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Do you recall the name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=376.0,377.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Was called Lilienthal's, and there was a big sign that said, \"We dressed your grandfather. Why not you?\" It was the 1800s then. But they came there when it was a little village. My grandmother had a brother named [August] Gus [Rothschild], and he opened up a ladies' shop. They were always merchants, until I married Aaron [Cohn]. [memoirist laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=377.0,405.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: It made sense, then, when your parents moved to Columbus, that they would be merchants. That he would—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=405.0,413.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: That is why he moved to Columbus. As I've already...[dogs bark in background]...have stated, that he moved to Columbus because of Fort Benning, and of course, the fine dresses and furs that he sold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=413.0,427.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What did he open here? What was the name of the store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=427.0,430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Name of the store was Kayser and Lilienthal. The Kaysers were also from Selma. They were the ones with the money, and they knew that they had a good person in my father, who knew the business real well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=430.0,446.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Was the store successful?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=446.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Very. Extremely. As a matter of fact, my father used to send...dresses to Europe. General [Geoege S.] Patton's daughter was one of his favorite, and she was in Turkey. She wrote my father a letter, saying, \"Dear Leslie [Holzman Lilienthal], please send me some magnificent clothes. I can't find what I need, and I know you know what to send me.\" My father was sending clothes to Turkey, or to Paris [France], wherever because the people that were at Fort Benning relied on my father, and knew that he could find the things they liked. General [Joseph] Stilwell's wife was here. General [George S.] Patton. You name any of the generals that passed through this world. They all were at Fort Benning at one time and bought from my father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=448.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I saw downstairs in the newspaper article that the store opened in 1923. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=510.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: That's correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=515.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: How long did it... When did it close?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=517.0,521.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: It closed when my father died. My father died in 1973. He had two stores here, one out in the suburbs and one downtown. He decided when he became quite ill, that he wanted to not have a one in Wynton [Columbus, Georgia, United States], which we wanted him to keep, in the suburbs, here. But he wanted the one that he had opened when he first came to Columbus, in 1923. In the meantime, he gets quite ill. When he passed away, he insisted that he buy...that we have the store downtown, which Aaron [Cohen] was very much opposed to, because we knew that downtown was going to start a new era, but I kept the store from... My father died in October, and I kept the store until February. I had gone to New York [City, New York, United States] to buy. When I came back, Aaron [Cohn] said, \"You're not going... You and your mother are not going to keep this store. We're going to close it.\" Within three weeks time, I had sold all the furs, all the jewelry, everything, the bags, the underwear at a third off. That people knew what...my father had, as far as merchandise. We even sold the fixtures, and in three weeks time, we were closed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=521.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: It must have been a big loss for the Columbus community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=614.0,617.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: They still talk about it. They still talk about, \"Oh, we miss Lilienthal's. Nobody has had clothes like that.\" I find that the make of clothes today are not in the same caliber as when my...I was growing up, my father used to have some things made for me, and I've still got some of them because I just can't part with them. But he's been a great loss to this community. We did all the weddings. When the little...when the girls were young, that would come in the store, he had a pocketbook for them. The mothers, he gave them Coca-Colas. Consequently, when the young girls grew up, they too came to my father to buy their wedding dress, and daddy did the whole bit. They still are talking about him. People still have hat boxes from his store and so forth, and they still say, \"There's never been another store like Lilienthal's.\" He had very fine, very expensive clothes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=617.0,687.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Your family also was...before you married the Judge [Aaron Cohn], part of the Reform Jewish community here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=687.0,698.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: That's correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=698.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: You were members of the Temple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=699.0,701.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=701.0,702.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Were your... How active was your family within the Temple community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=702.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: They were very active. We didn't go to Temple every Friday night, but we were very supportive and felt our Jewishness very strongly. I basically grew up out here in the suburb and basically went with non-Jewish girls and boys. My mother used to send me to Baltimore, Maryland at Christmastime, so I would be with more Jewish kids. I always felt my Jewishness. I never denied it. I was always very proud of being Jewish. When my brother was killed, my father really never cared about going back to Temple. Aaron [Cohn] and I go pretty regularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=709.0,756.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Are you at the Temple or are you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=756.0,757.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: At the Temple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=757.0,760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: But—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=760.0,762.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Aaron [Cohn] came from the Synagogue—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=762.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: The Synagogue—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=765.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: ...and they said, when they fought, we had a youth group because we were a small Jewish group. One of the rabbis decided that the two...the Synagogue group and the Temple group should get together. Most of the Temple...Synagogue group was much older than me, than myself, and most of the ones in the Temple were. I was about the youngest, and we formed a youth group, and Aaron [Cohn] became president, and I was a treasurer, and I actually was no good because later on, after we were married... A very sad story is that when he went on maneuvers, and he came back, he was furious with me. He said, \"How can you write all these checks? I'm going to be court martialed.\" Said, \"What's the matter with you?\" I thought as long as there were checks on a checkbook, you could write checks. That's the way I grew up, not knowing anything about checks on money. My father was just the type...generous type of person, as was my mother. That's how Aaron [Cohn] and I met, was through this youth group. But they said our marriage would never last because we came from two different worlds. Now it's 68 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=765.0,848.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I guess you proved them wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=848.0,850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I think we've been a better match than any of the rest, though. That's my opinion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=850.0,856.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What's it like growing up in Columbus, a young Jewish girl with mostly non-Jewish friends?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=856.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I didn't feel it. I didn't feel my being Jewish was any different than their being a Christian. They treated me the same way. My best friend, her mother, was Jewish and her father was Christian. But...and she knew she was not completely a Jew, a Jewish girl or Christian. We were together every Friday night. I slept with her, and the whole group of us were close together. But I never felt being Jewish. They never criticized me. I had it, and I never had any problem being Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=864.0,912.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What about again, I asked the Judge [Aaron Cohn] this question earlier, about growing up and seeing the racial divide. Did that affect you? Did you think about it, or was it just...so natural that you didn't think of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=912.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: This sounds a little, I don't know, but we had a lot of help, and they were like part of our family. We had a lot of Black help and in fact, one couple lived above our garage. I never felt that they were any different than anybody else. My mother always taught me that it didn't make any difference, if you were...who you were or what you were, if you were rich, or if you were poor. You were all the same, and you should treat everybody the same. I was raised... Some of my friends were not raised that way. But I always felt it didn't make any difference, your color, or whether you had money or whether you were poor, you were the same. I just never felt that people were different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=931.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: When the schools got integrated in the early 1960s, were your children still in school then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=983.0,991.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Mhm. [memoirist nods]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=991.0,991.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What happened here in Columbus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=991.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I don't think my children felt very strongly, one way or the other. I think they went along with the system. I think the Black kids, they were friendly with them. In fact, which one of the children brought home...? Used to bring home a Black friend, and that was fine with me. I don't think my children ever...I think they felt the way Aaron [Cohn] and I raised them, from the time they were little, that it didn't make any difference who you were or what you were. You are a human being and you should be treated as you are...as we would treat...as we were being treated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=994.0,1039.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Was it a trying time for families here during the integration era?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1039.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I really didn't feel that much, and that's... I know Aaron [Cohn], growing up felt a lot of things. I didn't feel those things. I was very blessed. I don't... I still think that Gail [Cohn] felt it very strongly when she was growing up. She had a lot of non-Jewish friends. She was a Girl Scout and so forth. Aaron [Cohn] had told her, when she reached a certain age, that they were going to go their way, and she was going to go her way. She really didn't quite grasp that, but it happened to her, and she was very hurt. But today, she's got a lot of these non-Jewish girls, that she grew up with, that she's very friendly with in Atlanta [Georgia, United States], now. They're very close, but at that particular time, they were going to be in the cotillion, and so forth, and make debuts, and it hurt her. Then Jane [Cohn Kulbersh], she insisted upon being a sub-deb. Aaron [Cohn] and I tried to convince her that it was not the right thing, but she wanted it, so she joined. Three weeks later, she came and she said, \"The boys are jumping in and out of the houses and this is not for me. I'm coming home. I don't want to be a member anymore.\" Leslie [Cohn] was a football player, so he really didn't feel it. I think our children grew up feeling that they were very Jewish, and very proud of that fact. But I think Leslie [Cohn] felt it least of all, being an athlete. But I think my girls felt it. I did not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1046.0,1150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: As you grew older, were most of your friends within the Temple community, or were they still your childhood friends?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1150.0,1158.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Most of them became my Jewish friends. That was more my fault than theirs. I'm kind of alone at times, I guess, and I like people. I like all people. But, I think it was basically my fault, why I drifted more to the Jewish community than the non-Jewish community, which was my own fault. Because, today I have just...quite a few non-Jewish friends as I've gotten older.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1158.0,1195.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1195.0,1195.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I've gone back. I've tried to sort of stabilize my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1195.0,1201.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Are you involved with any community activities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1201.0,1204.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Not really. I've always basically let Aaron [Cohn]... I've always stayed home, taking care of the kids, and just been a mommy and a wife, and let Aaron [Cohn] do it. I've always supported him and gone with him, whatever he does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1204.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Getting back to the store. There was a strong relationship between the store, and Fort Benning, and the local community as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1224.0,1234.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1234.0,1237.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: On their side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1237.0,1238.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=1238.0,4837.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Do you remember any memorable customers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4837.0,4840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Sure. General [Joseph] Stilwell's wife, as I said before, General [George S.] Patton's wife—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4840.0,4846.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Locally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4846.0,4848.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Locally, there was the Williams family, there was the Humes family, there was the Pease family—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4848.0,4858.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: But this was a high-end store, correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4858.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: This was very expensive clothes. You didn't have any customers in there that could, as a general rule, that could not afford expensive clothes. The one thing that we did have which was not as expensive, were the shoes. But we sold... You buy a fur coat in those days, you pay $10,000 in Daddy's store. You bought a dress, it was $100 and some odd dollars in those days. After the war, we had to come down some on prices, but we had a very high class of people. We had a lot of blacks, as well, that were able to buy. Anybody was welcomed into the store. It wasn't a question of whether you had money or not. If you wanted to come in the store and just look around, my father was always glad to have you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4860.0,4921.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I know in some of the department stores, and some of the people we've spoken to across the state, and in Alabama [United States] as well, the dressing rooms were an issue before integration. That the...after...the Black customers were not allowed to use the dressing rooms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4921.0,4938.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: That was not true in Daddy's store. We had a...like the Lunsford family, a very wealthy Black family here in Columbus. They was welcome in the store as anybody. My father came from a family, though, that from Selma, Alabama, as you can imagine. But when they came to the store and everything, it didn't make any difference who you were. Like one time, a lady came in the store, and she was poorly dressed. Nobody wanted to wait on her, so I decided I would help her. My father had a poop deck, I called it, where he could see everybody. I asked if I could help her. She...we went upstairs, and she said she wanted a buy a fur. Immediately, I called my father, who was an authority on furs. People from Atlanta, and all over, Eufaula [Alabama, United States]—you name it—used to come here to buy from my father. She... Daddy explained everything to her and she said, \"Oh, well, Mr. [Leslie Holzman] Lilienthal, if you'll order it, I'll be glad to buy it.\" She said, \"How much will it be?\" He said—and this was in those days—\"$10,000.\" She said, \"That's fine.\" Daddy's sales ladies were very upset, that... They said they wanted to wait on her. Daddy said, \"No. I saw from my poop deck that none of you all… I've told you before, it doesn't make any difference how a person is dressed. You don't know what they have, or they don't have.\" Some people that are dressed so fancy, don't have anything much. This woman was poorly dressed, but she had plenty of money. There was a house of ill-repute here...[memoirist and interviewer laugh]...that my father used to get all the gowns, and the slippers, and all the niceties for underwear. They've all bought it from my father. It was all very expensive underwear and night gowns. He just... He was greatly loved, and people still talk about him. Because, after my brother was killed overseas, my mother had never worked, and had always played bridge, and sewed. My daddy was really paralyzed and we didn't know why, but he'd had a heart attack and the doctor didn't realize it. But they did say to my mother, \"You can't just sit around. You need to help Leslie [Holzman Lilienthal], my father. She went down to the store, not knowing anything about it, learned to buy and went... Used to go to New York with Daddy, until he died. She was a great lady. She never went around, and said, talked about her sorrow, her loss of her son. She went on with her life. She said, \"You have to live for the living,\" and she believed that. She was almost 100.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=4938.0,5133.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5133.0,5133.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5133.0,5133.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5133.0,5135.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: She was quite a character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5135.0,5137.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I'm sure—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5137.0,5138.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: She was lots of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5138.0,5140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Were there other Jewish department stores here in town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5140.0,5144.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes, there was another one: Kiralfy's, who came later and they were competitors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5144.0,5153.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: How do you spell that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5153.0,5154.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Kiralfy's? How do you spell it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5154.0,5154.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A. COHN: K-I-R-A-L-F-Y.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5154.0,5158.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: -F-Y. They were competitors, but they were nice competitors, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5158.0,5164.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: That same caliber of goods?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5164.0,5165.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes. Basically, they didn't sell the furs and things of that kind that Daddy did. People still talk about Daddy, that Daddy had the better store, and Kiralfy's was a very nice store. I even worked for them later on, but it wasn't really this...quite as good as Daddy's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5165.0,5188.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Did you work at the store a lot—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5188.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5190.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: ...when you were growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5190.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I sure did. I love the business. Jane [Cohn Kulbersh], our younger daughter, loved the business. Gail [Cohn] liked nothing of that type. She was more like her daddy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5190.0,5203.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: So, you are a merchandizer at heart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5203.0,5205.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: At heart, I am, because I kept the store for a while after my father died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5205.0,5211.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: That must have been very difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5211.0,5213.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: It was very hard, and people wanted to buy his name and use it, because he had such high rating in the market. But Aaron [Cohn] told us no, we couldn't sell my father's name, that he had such a high...people respected him so. His name was so well known in the market. He said, \"You all don't need that money. You just let it go to sleep,\" which we did. They went and might have made it into...[dog barks in background]...a cheap so or something. That was not what my father would have wanted, and Aaron [Cohn] knew it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5213.0,5253.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Growing up, did you ever attend any of the Jewish functions around the South, like Ballyhoo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5253.0,5259.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5259.0,5260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Tell me about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5260.0,5260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I went to Ballyhoo. I went to the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5260.0,5264.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Did you do the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5264.0,5266.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Falcon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5266.0,5266.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Falcon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5266.0,5266.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I went to Atlanta, and the one in Atlanta was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5266.0,5272.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: That was Ballyhoo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5272.0,5273.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes, that was Ballyhoo and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5273.0,5276.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: ...the Jubilee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5276.0,5276.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: The Jubilee. I went to all of them when I went to the Ballyhoo. They also had...the guys had a thing, called The Top Hat. I've still got my little top hat. When I look back on it now, they were a bunch of real snobs, really, and I was just as bad as they were, I'll admit it...[electronic music begins playing]...but I didn't realize at the time. Then, when I finally realized what snobs they were, really. [tape cuts and music ends playing]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5276.0,5304.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Ballyhoo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5304.0,5305.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Ballyhoo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5305.0,5307.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: They were snobs, you were saying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5307.0,5308.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: They were...all three of them were snobs. I used to go to all three of them, and I had a wonderful, wonderful time. But my... I had two cousins, both young men, and I never had a late date because they were always very careful that I didn't have a late date. But I'll say the one in Atlanta, the Ballyhoo, was the biggest snob of all three of them, but they were all snobby. The one in Birmingham [Alabama. United States] was great. Because the Falcon in Montgomery [Alabama, United States], my father was a member, used to go to that, in Montgomery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5308.0,5351.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: When you say snob, was it because it was almost all German Jews?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5351.0,5355.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: That's correct. I knew the people well, and they would talk about so and so. Then you would... Then I'd say, \"You don't want them?\" \"No. They're not like us.\" I never... At first, \"They're not like us? They're Jews. What? What is all this about?\" Finally, I realized they're...because they didn't...they weren't Reform.\" I looked at that and I thought, \"Gee, that's really nasty,\" because I had never encountered that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5355.0,5395.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5395.0,5395.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I went with non-Jews; I went with Jews and I went... I had Black friends. To me, I didn't like it. I was there, and I enjoyed myself, but I didn't like the idea of what how they did it. When they did the story on that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5395.0,5416.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Alfred Uhry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5416.0,5416.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: They did not do it as well. It was much worse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5416.0,5419.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5419.0,5419.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes, it was much worse. Really it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5419.0,5424.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Did you have a Christmas tree growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5424.0,5428.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Mhm. I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5428.0,5429.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Do you miss it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5429.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I miss. I still miss it. I had a Christmas tree growing up. My... I used... I always knew I was Jewish, and I always was proud. I never hid it. But my parents believed that, you should celebrate everything because you're American. You live in this community, be part of the community. I had an Easter egg hunt, and I used to have my friends over, and we used to paint the Easter eggs...[door creaks open]...and hide... Mother would hide them, and we had a big yard and a big house. We'd have a big egg...Easter egg hunt. But when I had a Christmas tree as a child, and I had a big Christmas tree. When we lived in our other house and it went all the way to the struts, all the way to the ceiling! One day, our rabbi came and I said, \"Go through the hall, rabbi.\" He said, \"No, I'll go through the dining room.\" The hall was very narrow, and so he went that way and he said, \"Oh! That's a pretty nice tree.\" I said, \"Yes.\" I felt kind of guilty at the time. But Aaron's [Cohn's] mother, who was the most fantastic lady, she and my mother... She knew I had a Christmas tree. She went... Somebody said, \"Janet Ann [Lilienthal Cohn] has a Christmas tree.\" She said, \"It's very beautiful. If she's happy with it, I'm happy with it.\" When we moved in this house, I was getting ready to have a Christmas tree. The children went and got together with Aaron [Cohn]. They said, \"We don't want a Christmas tree anymore.\" Then one of them turned and said, \"But what about mother?\" So they came to me and they said, \"We don't want a Christmas tree.\" I was heartbroken cause I loved my Christmas tree. But, P.S., I relinquished them. I didn't have a Christmas tree. But Leslie [Cohn], our son, felt sorry for me. The group came by here with a little bitty... They sold the little bitty Christmas trees, that were in tassel, and they were all real pretty, real tiny. Leslie [Cohn] bought it for me, and he said, \"Momma since you can't have a big Christmas tree, I bought you this little one.\" P.S., from then on, we never had a Christmas tree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5430.0,5583.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: These are great stories. [memoirist and interviewer laugh] Getting back to getting back to Ballyhoo, before you met your husband, did you have a memorable date? Anybody special?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5583.0,5593.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I had a few. [memoirist and interviewer laugh] I was one of these people. I had a few. But what I did, I didn't want to just have one person. I had Frank Lowenstein who is dead. They owned Norris Candy at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5593.0,5613.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Right. I know his brother, Bill [Lowenstein].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5613.0,5614.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: He didn't have a brother. He had a sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5614.0,5618.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Frank... Oh, Bill's [Lowenstein's] the son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5618.0,5622.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: He may—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5622.0,5622.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Bill Lowenstein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5622.0,5623.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5623.0,5624.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Norris Candy Company?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5624.0,5625.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes. That... There was Norris Candy Company. He had a sister, but he did not have a brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5625.0,5632.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Maybe it's a cousin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5632.0,5632.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: But he moved...he finally moved to Mexico, and he was killed over there in an automobile accident. Then, I used to date Richard Herzog a lot, and Ben Massell. There was a whole group of... I just. I liked all the guys. [memoirist laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5632.0,5656.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What was it about Aaron [Cohn] that made you want to settle down to one person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5656.0,5667.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: He... Aaron [Cohn] just was different. He was older than most of them. He's five and a half years older than I am, and I was just getting out of high school. I was getting ready to go to... I wanted to go away to school for dancing. That's what I wanted to do, was be a dancer at that time. When they found this group... I don't know, one time I was with Jack Schiffman, this...and he was my closest buddy, and we were going to the movie... We were going to the movies and we saw Aaron [Cohn] with his friend, Sam Myers, and they said... Aaron [Cohn] said, \"Would you all like to go horseback riding tomorrow?\" We... I had seen Aaron [Cohn] in the restaurants and at other places and... But there was... He just was a guy, and I was going with somebody else really fairly gradually from Montgomery. Anyway, we are...we... The next day was gonna be Sunday, and we were going out to his farm and go horseback riding. Jack [Schiffman] couldn't go, so I went. From then on, I used to go horseback riding with Aaron [Cohn] on the weekends until I hooked him, and then I haven't been on a horse since. But he...[memoirist laughs] But he loved to ride. But he just... Aaron [Cohn] was just the type of person that was so genuine and so different than these other men, guys that I had dated. He knew what he was doing. He knew where he was going. He had his feet on the ground. He was more mature, and he thought I was very immature. I was fascinated by the fact that he was so well-versed and I was not. He just taught me so much even before I married him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5667.0,5799.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Was it important for you to date someone Jewish? Did you ever date anybody that wasn't?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5799.0,5805.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Oh, yes. I dated lots of non-Jewish boys growing up. I dated... In Columbus, I didn't date any Jewish boys, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5805.0,5811.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: How did that sit with your parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5811.0,5814.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: They didn't object, but all I... They made it very clear that I was Jewish, and that was fine to be...go with non-Jews as well as Jews. But when the time came to get married, eventually that I was to marry a Jewish person, and I always knew I was Jewish, and I always felt it. But I dated... When growing up, I never dated a Jewish boy until Mom and Daddy would send me to Baltimore, Maryland. That's when I dated Jewish guys, basically. When I went to Atlanta. One of my best friends who I used to stay with, was Jean Aronstam [Cohen]. Aronstam. She married a guy by the name of Harold Cohen. I used to stay with Elaine Montag. When I went to Atlanta, of course, I dated only Jewish boys, but when I'm in Columbus, basically, except for Jack Schiffman, who was like my brother, I didn't date any Jewish guy. There wasn't anybody here really that much to date.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5814.0,5884.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Did you ever go to Jewish camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5884.0,5886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5886.0,5887.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Did some of your friends, or anybody you knew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5887.0,5893.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: None I... Well see... Not here in Columbus. We just didn't do it. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5893.0,5898.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What did you do for recreation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5898.0,5900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I went... I danced a lot. I would go to Selma and visit. I spent a lot of time in Baltimore, Maryland, where my other grandparents were, who also had a home in Atlantic City [New Jersey, United States]. The minute school was out, mother, and the nurse, and my brother, and I hotfooted it to Baltimore for a while, and on to Atlantic City for the summer. I was completely involved in everything that was Jewish when I was away from Columbus, and it made an impression. Mother was very smart...[memoirist coughs]...—excuse me—about that. I even had to make a Jewish debut...[memoirist laughs]...in Baltimore, Maryland, because my grandmother insisted that we all had to do that. I had to make my debut in Baltimore. The funny thing about it is that I was asked to make my debut here with the Christian girls that I had grown up with, but I was naturally told I had to go to Baltimore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5900.0,5978.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Where did you have the debut at?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5978.0,5981.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: It was in the Phoenix Club in Baltimore, Maryland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5981.0,5984.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Was that a Jewish club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5984.0,5985.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5985.0,5987.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Jewish club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5987.0,5987.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: When I went to Baltimore, I never went with anybody but Jewish kids. Strictly. The club, the everything, and nothing was anything but Jewish in those times. When I came back home, I was back with my non-Jewish friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=5987.0,6003.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Do you ever regret not living in a bigger city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6003.0,6007.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6007.0,6008.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Have you liked Columbus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6008.0,6011.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I wanted to move to... I wanted Aaron [Cohn] and I moved to Baltimore, Maryland. That was the only place I ever wanted to live. I did not want to live in Columbus, but I wouldn't live anywhere else now. But when Aaron [Cohn] and I went and got married, and he came back from the war, we had an opportunity to move to Baltimore, and go into this law firm, where he would have been much better off, because he didn't make a darn nickel for quite a while. He would have been on Easy Street, and I had all my family from Baltimore and friends, and he said no. So here we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6011.0,6052.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Why? Why didn't he want to go? Just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6052.0,6054.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: He loved Columbus. He loved Columbus from the day he was born, I guess. He always said he would never leave Columbus, but I thought maybe I could convince him. But Columbus came first. I came second at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6054.0,6071.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Once you had your children, was it important to you to have a Jewish home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6071.0,6079.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: No. Not really. Then I...I felt my... I wanted our children to go to Sunday school. I want them to be bar mitzvahed, and be confirmed, and everything. But my mother and father never did much. I never lit the candles on Friday night or anything of that. We were so ultra-Reform. We weren't just Reform. We were ultra-Reform. It took my children to get older, to teach me, not teach Aaron [Cohn], but teach me the Jewish rituals because I didn't... I really knew about Christmas than I... The non-Jewish holidays. I knew more about than I did the Jewish holidays, really. That sounds strange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6079.0,6133.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: No, I think that that's very common with classical Reformed Judaism at that time period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6133.0,6140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes, but see, when you had your children, your children went with more Jewish kids, and they had a better...rabbis than what we had at... My rabbi was not really a rabbi. [memoirist laughs] He was... They called him rabbi, but he was not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6140.0,6159.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What was his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6159.0,6160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: His name was Dr. [Frank] Rosenthal, and we got very little education. I had never even heard of a bar mitzvah growing...until I got a certain age. Until I married in Aaron's [Cohen's] family, I learned so much from my mother-in-law. Now, my mother knew these things, basically, but my father didn't, and my father was not religious at all, really. He felt he knew he was Jewish, and felt it, but it did not...wasn't part of his life. Growing up, it really wasn't a part of my life other than the fact, you know you are Jewish; you know you will always be proud that you are Jewish, but you go with anybody and everybody you want to, and that's the way I was raised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6160.0,6205.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Oh, I had a question on the tip of my tongue, and now it just went out of my head. We're talking about growing up Jewish. We're talking about... Let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6205.0,6225.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I tell you, my children, Gail [Cohn], and Jane [Cohn Kulbersh], and Leslie [Cohn]... Leslie [Cohn] was not religious, but Bonnie [Cohn] is...came from a Conservative family. Their children are really... Light the candles on Friday night and all of that. None of my children did it. Gail [Cohn] does it, when she has her grandchildren. But all of my great...all of my grandchildren's children, all my grandchildren and their children, all really do the Friday night, and are very, very Jewish and have basically Jewish friends. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6225.0,6272.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Getting back to your earlier family, you showed me a great object today, a Civil War rifle. You can trace your family back to before the Civil War, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6272.0,6289.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6289.0,6289.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What? Where can you trace your family back to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6289.0,6292.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I can trace my daddy's family back to my great-grandfather who came here... I think it was 1861. Came here, and they... Part of them settled. He... My great grandfather roamed around it seemed like, to many, many cities, and places. He had brothers that came over here, and one settled in Columbia, South Carolina [United States], and built the first Reform congregation there. Then a group of our family settled in Charleston [South Carolina, United States]. We went there on our 40th wedding anniversary with Maxine and Jack Schiffman, and they went to the temple before we did. They said, \"Where is your home?\" Said, \"Columbus, Georgia.\" Says, \"Oh, I've got a cousin there named Leslie [Holzman] Lilienthal.\" I said, \"His daughter and her husband have been married for years, and they'll be here in a few minutes.\" Sure enough, they were wonderful to us. Then basically, like I say, they lived in Charleston and in Columbia, South Carolina. Reading back, I realized that my great-grandfather, and the founder of the family lived in Savannah [Georgia, United States], too, which I did not know. My great grandfather, it was in Vicksburg [Mississippi, United States], and ended up in Selma. And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6292.0,6380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: His name was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6380.0,6381.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: His name was Jacob Rothschild. I knew him, and he was quite a gentleman. He would talk about the war, and he talked about... He says, \"And, you know, I was wounded.\" [memoirist gestures toward her arm] I said, \"Well, I didn't know it.\" He said, \"Yes, and I didn't know I was wounded,\" and he touched himself on his arm. But he was a very smart, very intelligent man. My grandmother [Annie Rothschild] Lilienthal, was quite unusual. My two grandmothers were so different. My daddy's mother locked up everything. She had the same help all the time, but she locked up her linen closet, and she locked up her canned goods. My mother's mother, everything was open and above board. She just... Everything was just so different, and they had different styles of living. I got a taste of both kinds of living. They... Neither one were really religious, neither family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6381.0,6452.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Gump is an interesting name. Where did that come from? Was there a... Was it shortened from something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6452.0,6458.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6458.0,6459.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: No?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6459.0,6460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: As far... There was the Gumps in San Francisco [California, United States] that were my grandfather's cousins, but it was always Gump. I don't know where it came from. I just know it was Gump. There was a cartoon in the newspapers that was called Andy Gump.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6460.0,6479.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: There was also Forrest Gump. [interviewer laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6479.0,6481.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Yes, Forrest. But my grandmother's name was [Jeanette] Jenny [Hamburger Gump].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6481.0,6485.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6485.0,6486.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: The movie itself touched me greatly, because of Forrest Gump and then his wife, Jenny, who reminded me of my grandmother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6486.0,6498.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: If you could describe your life in Columbus in just a few words, how would you describe it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6498.0,6509.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Fabulous. [memoirist chuckles] I have enjoyed my life in Columbus. The non-Jewish people that I grew up with have become good friends of mine again, a lot of them. Aaron [Cohn] and I have a lot of non-Jewish friends. I'm very happy, in fact. As I've gotten older, I realize that this is the place that I belong, and this is my heritage here in Columbus. I have a good legacy with my side of the family, and a good side of the legacy with my husband's family. What else is there in life but to leave a good name, really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6509.0,6554.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: On that note, I think...[memoirist laughs]...we'll conclude—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6554.0,6557.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: I ain't said much, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6557.0,6559.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I think you were absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much, and I appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6559.0,6564.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948/transcript/94806/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J. COHN: Thank you for having me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/173731/file/312948#t=6564.0,2967.79817"}]}]}]}