{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/cj87h1f44j/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Breman, Elinor Angel"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1998-11-02 (creation)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eRay Ann Kremer interviews Elinor Angel Rosenberg Breman on November 2, 1998.\u003c/p\u003e (general)","\u003cp\u003eElinor Angel Breman was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee in 1922, a small conservative Southern town. Her grandparents were from Russia and Poland. Her father (Philip Isaac Angel) was from Knoxville, Tennessee and her mother (Sadye Rosenblum Angel) was from Brooklyn, New York. Her father was in the printing business. She has two sisters: Jeanne [Weil] and Celie [Helman]. Her family belonged to the Ochs Memorial Temple, a Reform congregation. Her parents were active in the synagogue: her mother in the Sisterhood and her father was president. She grew up during the Great Depression and wanted to be a journalist.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor participated in Ballyhoo in Atlanta and met her future husband, Herbert Jerome (Herb) Rosenberg, Jr. at one of the parties. They were married when she was 18. They had three children: Herbert Jerome (Jerry) (III), Philip, and John. Herbert Jr. served in the Navy during World War II as a Lt. Colonel, during which time he protected convoys in the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor participated in several Jewish community organizations such as the National Council of Jewish Women and the Service Guild. She became interested in art and theater and eventually formed her own art agency, Elro Agency of Art, which represented the work of local artists. Through this work she met and befriended many artists of all types and participated in the wider art community in Atlanta. She also worked with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and with the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum during its formative years.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor entered the real estate profession in 1972 and became a successful real estate agent, eventually writing a book about her experiences. After her divorce in 1981 from Herb she remained single for 12.5 years until she married M. William (Bill) Breman, who had recently lost his wife, Sylvia Goldstein Breman, to illness. Bill Breman died in 2000 at age of 92. Elinor remained deeply involved in the Breman Museum until her passing on July 11, 2018 at age 96.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eElinor discusses her childhood in Chattanooga, Tennessee and her parents, Phil and Sayde Angel, activities in the Jewish community. She recalls how she wanted to be a journalist but could not go to college to study journalism because of the Great Depression. She reminisces about her participation in Ballyhoo and the Jewish young adult activities in the South. She describes her reaction to the ‘big city’ of Atlanta and exciting Jewish social life and compares it to the social life in Chattanooga, which was a small conservative town. She recalls the dances and parties in detail. She reflects on the relationship of the various Jewish sects in Atlanta and reflects that it was exactly like Alfred Uhry’s play, The Last Night of Ballyhoo.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eShe remembers meeting Herbert Jerome Rosenberg, Jr. (Herb) at one of the Ballyhoo social events and their later marriage, when she was 18. Elinor spoke about Herb’s time in the Navy in World War II after which they moved to Atlanta. She discusses raising three children, her social life, which centered around the Standard Club, and her participation in various Jewish community organizations. \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eShe details her involvement in the art and theater world of Atlanta, during which she started her own art agency and her participation in the foundational years of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum and the Atlanta Symphony. \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor reflects on antisemitism in Atlanta, including at the various country clubs, and she discusses the downsides of Atlanta growth and development. She also reflects on the impact of The Last Night of Ballyhoo and Parade (both Alfred Uhry's plays) on the general community.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eShe talks about her divorce from Herb Rosenberg in 1981 and her very successful real estate career, as well as on her life as a single woman, including the challenges and fears she successfully faced. She reflects on her personal growth during those times and the many personal changes she has lived through, including becoming an author. She recalls her courtship and marriage with M. William (Bill) Breman, which was very happy but did raise yet more personal development issues relating to merging two families.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/27956"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eRay Ann Kremer interviews Elinor Angel Rosenberg Breman on November 2, 1998.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eElinor Angel Breman was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee in 1922, a small conservative Southern town. Her grandparents were from Russia and Poland. Her father (Philip Isaac Angel) was from Knoxville, Tennessee and her mother (Sadye Rosenblum Angel) was from Brooklyn, New York. Her father was in the printing business. She has two sisters: Jeanne [Weil] and Celie [Helman]. Her family belonged to the Ochs Memorial Temple, a Reform congregation. Her parents were active in the synagogue: her mother in the Sisterhood and her father was president. She grew up during the Great Depression and wanted to be a journalist.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor participated in Ballyhoo in Atlanta and met her future husband, Herbert Jerome (Herb) Rosenberg, Jr. at one of the parties. They were married when she was 18. They had three children: Herbert Jerome (Jerry) (III), Philip, and John. Herbert Jr. served in the Navy during World War II as a Lt. Colonel, during which time he protected convoys in the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor participated in several Jewish community organizations such as the National Council of Jewish Women and the Service Guild. She became interested in art and theater and eventually formed her own art agency, Elro Agency of Art, which represented the work of local artists. Through this work she met and befriended many artists of all types and participated in the wider art community in Atlanta. She also worked with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and with the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum during its formative years.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor entered the real estate profession in 1972 and became a successful real estate agent, eventually writing a book about her experiences. After her divorce in 1981 from Herb she remained single for 12.5 years until she married M. William (Bill) Breman, who had recently lost his wife, Sylvia Goldstein Breman, to illness. Bill Breman died in 2000 at age of 92. Elinor remained deeply involved in the Breman Museum until her passing on July 11, 2018 at age 96.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eElinor discusses her childhood in Chattanooga, Tennessee and her parents, Phil and Sayde Angel, activities in the Jewish community. She recalls how she wanted to be a journalist but could not go to college to study journalism because of the Great Depression. She reminisces about her participation in Ballyhoo and the Jewish young adult activities in the South. She describes her reaction to the ‘big city’ of Atlanta and exciting Jewish social life and compares it to the social life in Chattanooga, which was a small conservative town. She recalls the dances and parties in detail. She reflects on the relationship of the various Jewish sects in Atlanta and reflects that it was exactly like Alfred Uhry’s play, The Last Night of Ballyhoo.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eShe remembers meeting Herbert Jerome Rosenberg, Jr. (Herb) at one of the Ballyhoo social events and their later marriage, when she was 18. Elinor spoke about Herb’s time in the Navy in World War II after which they moved to Atlanta. She discusses raising three children, her social life, which centered around the Standard Club, and her participation in various Jewish community organizations. \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eShe details her involvement in the art and theater world of Atlanta, during which she started her own art agency and her participation in the foundational years of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum and the Atlanta Symphony. \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eElinor reflects on antisemitism in Atlanta, including at the various country clubs, and she discusses the downsides of Atlanta growth and development. She also reflects on the impact of The Last Night of Ballyhoo and Parade (both Alfred Uhry's plays) on the general community.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eShe talks about her divorce from Herb Rosenberg in 1981 and her very successful real estate career, as well as on her life as a single woman, including the challenges and fears she successfully faced. She reflects on her personal growth during those times and the many personal changes she has lived through, including becoming an author. She recalls her courtship and marriage with M. William (Bill) Breman, which was very happy but did raise yet more personal development issues relating to merging two families.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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This is Ray Ann Kremer interviewing Elinor\nAngel Rosenberg Breman for the Atlanta Jewish Oral History Project sponsored by\nthe American Jewish Committee, the National Council of Jewish Women, and the\nAtlanta Jewish Federation for the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum. Elinor,\nI would like to start as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"far back as I can with your memories. In fact, really\nbefore your memories because you would have had to [have] heard the things I'm\ngoing to ask you about from your family. Can you tell me as much as you can\nwhere your family came from in the old country, all the way back? How far back\ndo you know about?\n\nBREMAN: My grandparents came from Russia and Poland. My father was born ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in\n\nKnoxville, Tennessee. Mother was born in [Brooklyn, New York].\n\nKREMER: Could you tell me if you know anything about what your grandparents did\nin the old country?\n\nBREMAN: No.\n\nKREMER: You don't really know anything about them or even really where they\n\ncame from?\n\nBREMAN: No, I never knew my grandfather. My grandmother lived in Chattanooga [Tennessee].\n\nKREMER: Was this your paternal... ?\n\nBREMAN: This was my paternal grandmother, and she lived with my father's sister.\n\nWe were ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"neighbors, back in the days when people visited with each other. I had\n\ncousins, and we were like one big happy family, different from today where\n\npeople are so spread out. I have two sisters, and my father was in the printing business.\n\nKREMER: Tell me your sisters' names, and are you the oldest, youngest?\n\nBREMAN: I'm the oldest, and I have a sister Jeanne Weil who lives in Columbus,\n\nGeorgia, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and Celie Helman who lives in Columbus, Georgia. We all grew up\n\ntogether there and went to public school there. My father [Philip Isaac Angel],\n\nas I said, was in the printing business. He was very active in the community.\n\nChattanooga was a small Southern town, and your whole life revolved around your\ntemple. Mother [Sadye Rosenblum Angel] was very active in the Sisterhood.\n\nKREMER: What temple is this?\n\nBREMAN: This was Ochs Memorial Temple.\n\nKREMER: How do you spell that?\n\nBREMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"O-C-H-S... Ochs Memorial.\n\nKREMER: Are those the same Ochs of the New York Times Ochs?\n\nBREMAN: No. My father was very active and was president of the Temple. It was\n\nClassical Reform although we did have a good religious upbringing. As an\n\ninteresting side point, Rabbi Benjamin Parker was my early rabbi, and he later\n\ndropped out of the rabbinate and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married Rachel Neely of Atlanta [in 1939]. I\nthink she was part of the Rich's-Neely group. Then Rabbi [Abraham] Feinstein was\nour rabbi. He confirmed me, and he married me and he buried my family. We did\nhave a good Sunday school and a good community life, because there wasn't much\nelse to do. It was before television, and people's lives revolved around their\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"homes and around their synagogue.\n\nKREMER: When you were in high school, did you come visit in Atlanta at all?\n\nBREMAN: I came to the Ballyhoo.\n\nKREMER: At what age did you start doing that, and was that your first trip to Atlanta?\n\nBREMAN: Yes. I was 14, and it was very much against my father's wishes. I was\ntoo young. He probably was right, because I married when I was [18].\n\nKREMER: How did you get ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here? Did you drive here with other kids?\n\nBREMAN: Yes, I drove here with two of my girlfriends.\n\nKREMER: Their parents were willing to let them drive?\n\nBREMAN: They were a year older. They were older. I don't remember who brought\n\nus, but the girls were two years older than I was. Yes, I guess they were old\nenough. I don't remember how we got here. We may have come on a bus. I don't remember.\n\nKREMER: Did you stay with people here?\n\nBREMAN: We stayed with Bobby [Robert] Lipshutz. You know Bobby ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lipshutz, who is\na lawyer here in town? He was a cousin of one of my friends, so we stayed there.\nThe Ballyhoo blew me away, because Chattanooga was a very small conservative\ntown. I came to Atlanta... it was a big city back then. This was... what year\nwould that have been? I was 14. I'm 76, so you can figure that out. Things were\nmuch different then. Here I come to this big city, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta... big social life\nand college boys. I had never been around college boys and all that sort of\nthing. They wore tails to the Top Hat parties, and had all kinds of cars. They\ndrank. I had never been around that. I saw Jewish people with Christmas trees in\ntheir house, just like the play \"The Last [Night of] Ballyhoo.\" Atlanta was\nexactly like that. There was a big dividing line between the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reform and the\nConservative and the Orthodox Jews.\n\nKREMER: Ballyhoo was mainly Reform Jews.\n\nBREMAN: Mainly. Yes.\n\nKREMER: Were there any non-Reform?\n\nBREMAN: Not very many. Did you see the play?\n\nKREMER: Yes.\n\nBREMAN: Alfred Uhry's play? If you remember in the play... \"the other kind.\"\n\nEven in Chattanooga, at that time there was a big dividing line. Reform girls\n\ndidn't go out with the Orthodox boys. Terrible, but it was very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"prejudiced. It's\n\ndifferent now, thank goodness, but it was bad then. In fact, we didn't like The\n\nLast [Night of] Ballyhoo, because even though it was true we thought it was\nsomething that could have been left unsaid. Although non-Jewish friends of mine\nsay, \"We had that.\" The [Piedmont] Driving Club and the Ansley Golf Club, and\nthe black people had the caste system where they do that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I came to\nAtlanta, and we had a great time. I met my first husband, Herbert [Jerome\n'Herbie'] Rosenberg [Jr.]. He was nine years older, so I met him at a Ballyhoo.\nI was too young. He noticed me, but [I was] a little baby from Chattanooga. I\nmet his father [Dr. Herbert Jerome Rosenberg, Sr.] who was a doctor here. They\nwere a very prominent Reform Jewish family. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A couple of years later, after I\nwent back to school... I was still in high school... at the age of 16, Herbie\nRosenberg traveled on the road and he called me [for a date]. He said, \"I guess\nyou're old enough for me to take out.\" He was nine years older. My parents said,\n\"He's too old for [you].\" I did [not] go out with him. (After about one year he\ncalled and said I was older so we started dating.) ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That started a whole new\npart. You don't want\n\nall that personal stuff about family.\n\nKREMER: It's kind of an interesting story because it really... I do, because I\n\nwant your marriage and the birth of your children and all of that, so keep going.\n\nBREMAN: We did get engaged.\n\nKREMER: After how long?\n\nBREMAN: I was 17, and he wanted to get married. My father said, \"You're ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too\nyoung to get married. You wait a year.\" I came back and forth to Atlanta to\nvisit. He came to Chattanooga to visit. I stayed at his house with his mother\nand father. Everything was very proper back in those days. My father-in-law\nsaid, \"You kids really ought to just go ahead and get married. You really\nshouldn't wait.\" My father wanted me to wait until ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was 18 or 19. One weekend\nwe were here with some friends, and on the way to take me back to Chattanooga we\nwent by way of Jonesboro [Georgia] and got married. We eloped, and it was just\nvery scandalous.\n\nKREMER: How old were you at that time?\n\nBREMAN: We were married in April. I was 18 in May, which is very young when you\n\nthink about it. I was pretty ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=510.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mature for my age. I really didn't like\nChattanooga, and Atlanta was exciting. My first husband was a real cute guy, all\npersonality. [He] came from one of the best Jewish families in Atlanta. His\ngrandfather was Marcus Loeb, who founded Marcus Loeb \u0026 Company, and he was one\nof the first presidents of the Temple. They were a real fine Jewish family. We\ngot married, and we lived in Atlanta ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"until [World War II]. My oldest son was\nborn eight weeks before Herbie left for the Navy in World War II.\n\nKREMER: How old were you at this point?\n\nBREMAN: I was 21. Was I ever 21? We went through the war years and traveled a\n\nlot. I would meet his ships, and he was [an ensign and later became a\nlieutenant.] That was an interesting part of the early part of my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"life, dragging\n\nthe child [Herbert Jerome \"Jerry\" Rosenberg, III] around and leaving him with\nmother and leaving him with\n\nhis mother. The war years were very sad years, but we had a lot of fun. There\n\nwere a lot of fun times in New Orleans [Louisiana]. We lived in New Orleans some.\n\nKREMER: He never actually went overseas?\n\nBREMAN: He was on a gunnery ship. He was protecting convoys, so he was not in\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=600.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"battle. They had one attack. He would protect ships that were going to places\n\nlike Guadalcanal and all those places to take supplies. He was in danger, but he\n\nwas never actually in battle. After the War, we came back to Atlanta, and we\n\nbought a little house. Jerry was by then three years old. He is now ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"55. Then I\nhad my second child, Phil. We had to get a bigger house. We went through all\nthat early stage. The first house we bought cost $9,500 in Peachtree Hills. The\nsame house now sells for like $180,000. Having been in real estate, you think\nback to those things. 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I was also\ninvolved with the Temple Sisterhood, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because my mother had been. It was a\npattern that I liked. I worked with the youth groups. For instance, I was a\nsecretary, I think, for the Sisterhood. I don't know. For 25 years, I did a lot\nof organization work. That's why I'm letting Bill do it now, and I do just a\nlittle now. I'm trying to keep up with him. The [National] Council of Jewish\nWomen [NCJW], and I don't even know if there was an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"American Jewish Committee\nthen or an Anti-Defamation League [ADL]. There may have been an ADL, because\n[of] Leo Frank... After Leo Frank, they founded the ADL.\n\nKREMER: There was definitely an American Jewish Committee. Whether there was an\nAtlanta Chapter, I don't think so. It's only 50 some-odd years old.\n\nBREMAN: They had an organization here called the Service Guild, and we had a\n\ngift shop at Grady Hospital. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I worked for Planned Parenthood [and] for the\n\n[National] Council of Jewish Women. [I] did that for a while. I really was much\n\nmore interested in the arts, even though I did a lot of Jewish community work. I\n\nwas very creative, and I studied painting. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Would you help us sell our\npaintings?\" I said, \"Yes, I'd love to do that.\" I thought about it and thought\nabout it. We had a friend who was a lawyer. I said to him, \"I think I'd like to\nhave a little art agency.\" We formed a little art agency, and we took my first\ntwo letters of both names and called it the 'Elro Agency of Art.' They just came\nin droves. I screened their work, and I had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about 38 artists in the various\nfields of art, in painting, sculpture, even plants... murals. I made little\nslides of all their work, and I had a little projector thing that I would carry\naround. I called on different motels. We did some things for Jay Sarno [sp] at\nthe Riviera and Air Host Inn. We went to see John Portman [Jr.], before John\nPortman was who he is now. He said, \"You've got a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"great idea.\" I said, \"I want\nto work with the architects and interior designers, pull the artists in the\nmiddle, and make it a threesome where they plan a building. They're doing that\nnow, but back then...\n\nKREMER: What year was this?\n\nBREMAN: Gosh, how many years ago? I was probably in my thirties, so probably 40\n\nyears ago. John Portman said, \"I've got the same idea, but we buy our art from\n\nNew York.\" He said, \"Atlanta is just... it's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too soon. Atlanta is not ready for\nwhat you are trying to do, but it's a good idea.\" I had fun and didn't make any\nmoney with it. It did fizzle out. My house was always full of a lot of artists,\nand they would lend me paintings. In fact, Constantin Chatov...\n\nKREMER: I don't know who he was.\n\nBREMAN: He was a very fine portrait painter, very popular here in Atlanta. He\nwas in my 'stable,' as they called it, and he did a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sample of me for me to sell\nportraits. I sold two or three for him. At that time, he charged $5,000 to\n$6,000, so I got a free portrait out of it, which my grandson has now. That was\nan interesting part of my life. Through that, I became interested in theater.\nJanice Rothschild [Blumberg], who was our rabbi's wife, was president of the\nTheater Atlanta before he came here. I don't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know if you can think back or\nremember, there was a play called Red, White and Maddox. Lester Maddox. It was\nabout him, and it was a very controversial play. We had a nice theater on West\nPeachtree near 14th [Street], which is now called something else. The theater...\n\nclosed. There was so much controversy, it closed. A group of us... I was one of\n\nthe officers... started the Alliance Theater ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the [Woodruff] Arts Center.\n\nKREMER: Do you remember about when that was?\n\nBREMAN: Jimmy Carter was governor at that time, because I have a picture with\n\nJimmy Carter at one of our openings. Whenever he was governor, that would be the\nyear. We had big openings. We struggled and struggled. That's why it's so\n\nthrilling to me now. We were at the Woodruff Arts Center the other ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"night to see\n\nLegends Elaborate Lives... Elton John. The symphony was playing, and the play\n\nwas a Broadway-caliber play. There were a lot of people, and the building is so\n\npretty. I told Bill, \"It just thrills me to death,\" because I was in on it when\nit was a little bitty place. Then we had that Orly plane crash, which was before\nyou came here, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where a whole plane load of Atlanta prominent culturists were\nkilled on that plane. Through that, the French government gave the [Auguste]\nRodin statue, sculpture [\"The Shade\"], and the city raised money, the Woodruffs\ngave money, and they built this beautiful thing that we have now.\n\nKREMER: Were any of your friends on that plane?\n\nBREMAN: I had two or three artist friends on it, and there were several Jewish\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"families on it.\n\nKREMER: Who?\n\nBREMAN: Sidney Wein was on it. He was a great art collector. Jarvin Parks, who\ndid that little bottom sketch. He was a very fine artist here. He was on it. It\n\nkilled off about 105 of the cultural leaders. It just devastated the art\ncommunity when this happened. A lot of the heirs are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"still alive after that. I\ngot very interested in that, so I eased up some on my community work in the\nJewish community. I had three sons growing up, and I had a Brownie troop, and I\nwas driving carpools. The usual Jewish housewife things. Every Saturday night we\n\nwould go to the Standard Club, which was at that time on Ponce de Leon [Avenue].\nIt is now a Masonic Temple. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All my crowd would get dressed up in their one\ncocktail dress. We would go to the Standard Club and have a real good time and\ncome home with a hangover the next morning to drive the Sunday school carpools.\nThis was right after [World War II]. It was a rebuilding with the social life of\nthe communities, of the people, of the men who had been away. There had a lot of\ntraumas. We had to all regroup ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and reorganize. There wasn't extravagant a lot of\nmoney among the group. We were all very comfortable, lived in nice houses. My\nchildren all went to public school except prior to integration problems. We\nthought the schools were going to close here when integration came in. My oldest\nson at that time wanted to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be a doctor. Jerry was at Northside High School, and\nwe knew that if the schools closed that would throw him two or three years\nbehind in his life. We pulled some strings through some good Catholic people we\nknew, and we got him into Marist so there would be no danger. As it happened,\nNorthside High School didn't close. It integrated fine. I lived through the\nperiod of Martin Luther King [Jr.] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the bombing of the Temple. Rabbi [Jacob\nM.] Rothschild was a very good friend of ours. Janice Rothschild [Blumberg], who\nlives in Washington [D.C], remarried [David Blumberg] when [Rabbi Rothschild]\npassed away. She's in Washington and very active in their Jewish museum. We're\nstill friends. That period... it was a good period. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People were very active in\nthe Temple. The Reform Jews of that period have either died or they have eased\naway from being real active. I went into real estate in 1972.\n\nKREMER: I'm going to stop you right there before you get into real estate. I'd\n\nlike to go back and have you elaborate on some things. Starting with Ballyhoo\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and a little more descriptive of the parties and the people and what it was\n\nlike, because you were really very young.\n\nBREMAN: Yes.\n\nKREMER: What it meant. Here you were a girl from out of town coming. Were there\na lot of girls from out of town coming to Ballyhoo?\n\nBREMAN: They came from [around] the South.\n\nKREMER: All around.\n\nBREMAN: Montgomery [Alabama] and Birmingham [Alabama]. Birmingham had something\nsimilar, and Montgomery...\n\nKREMER: What was it called?\n\nBREMAN: One of them was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"called the \"Falcon...\"\n\nKREMER: Jubilee...\n\nBREMAN: ...and \"Jubilee.\" The Jubilee and the Falcon. I don't remember which\ncity had which, but that's what they were called.\n\nKREMER: Did you go to all of them?\n\nBREMAN: No, I didn't go to anything but the Ballyhoo. I came to two Ballyhoos,\nbut they were all the same sort of group of people... as far as I know, they\nwere mostly Reform Jewish people, and they were college age or high school age.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For that period, not compared to what it is like now, they were real\nhell-raisers. The parties were really... a lot of drinking and dancing.\n\nKREMER: Now this came just after the [Great] Depression? Was Ballyhoo going on\nduring the Depression?\n\nBREMAN: No. I was born in 1922, and the [Stock Market] Crash was in 1929. I grew\n\nup during the Depression, and I didn't get to go to college. That was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"another\nreason I think I married so young. I was in business school, and I didn't want\nto do what I was doing. I was upset, because I wanted to be a journalist. I\nwanted to go to college, but I couldn't. Times were just struggling at that\npoint in the Depression. The Depression lasted for quite a few years.\n\nKREMER: Was Ballyhoo going on during the Depression?\n\nBREMAN: No. Ballyhoo didn't start until after that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think Ballyhoo must have\nstarted maybe five years before I started going, maybe not even that long.\n\nKREMER: If you were 17, what year was that? If you were born in--\n\nBREMAN: I was born in 1922.\n\nKREMER: Then it did start while the Depression was going on.\n\nBREMAN: When was the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Depression over? I don't even know...\n\nKREMER: It went on really until the war... 1940.\n\nBREMAN: Right, 1940s. Ballyhoo was really a very exciting thing for everybody\nthat came. The thing was that people that would come to all three of them would\n\nknow each other. This is where... it was like a coming out party. The girls\nwould get to meet nice Jewish ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"boys, and some of them married.\n\nKREMER: Probably a lot of them did.\n\nBREMAN: You met boys all from the South. I don't think there were... there were\nrarely any boys or girls from the North. It was all the Southern group. I still\nrun into people that [say], \"You were at the Ballyhoo.\" It was a big social\nevent. They would have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tea dances. You're too young. You don't remember what a\ntea dance was. A tea dance was from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m., and all the girls\nhad little cards with little pencils on them. The boys would come and put their\nname on a dance. They would make an appointment for a dance with you. You would\nhave maybe ten names on there, and there was a little pencil hanging on it. You\nwould wear it on your wrist, and each boy would come and get you to dance. You\ndon't remember that, but that was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fun... [inaudible]... I had never had a drink\n\nin my life. My father and mother... when people visited in Atlanta, you served\n\ncoffee and cake. You don't say, \"Would you like a drink?\" like we do now. This\n\nwas a very sophisticated world to me. I took a drink, and I didn't like it. My\ntwo ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"girlfriends... I had one evening dress. These other two girls had stacks of\nthem, because they could afford them. One of them had a father in the Vogue\ndress shop in Chattanooga, so she had lots of clothes. She would lend me a lot\nof her clothes. We would switch them around. We had to do that to...\n\nKREMER: What was her name?\n\nBREMAN: Her name is Betty. Her name is Betty Meyers. At that time, it was Betty Oppenheim.\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who was your other friend?\n\nBREMAN: My other friend is Janie. She was Janie Myers. She is Janie Lewis. She\n\nlives in California right now. Her son [Roger Lewis] was married to Cathy Selig\n\nhere. They divorced recently. My other friend Betty [Oppenheim] Meyers was\n\nkilled about three years ago in an automobile wreck. She had a son living here,\n\nSteve Weinstein. We were all very good friends. Life was fairly dull in\nChattanooga. There was a very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"small population of eligible Jewish men. Atlanta\n\nwas just like a smorgasbord with all this, so the Ballyhoo was the highlight of\nmy growing up years. The boys would come to Chattanooga to visit.\n\nKREMER: You were totally involved with Jewish people... but were you aware of\n\nany antisemitism in Atlanta at that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time? Was there any of the aftermath of Leo\n\nFrank still in the air?\n\nBREMAN: I didn't even know about Leo Frank. It was something people didn't talk\n\nabout. As I say, when I came back here to live... I never felt it in\nChattanooga. My maiden name was Angel. I never looked Jewish. I mingled. I went\nto a public high school, and I was in [the National] Honor Society, and I was an\nofficer in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"high school and active. Everybody knew I was Jewish, but I never felt\nany antisemitism. In later years in Atlanta, being involved in the arts, I was\nnot aware of it, if it existed back then. I must have lived in a little vacuum,\nbecause I am sure it did exist. In organization work, I always marked it up to\nsnooty Atlanta society women. It still exists, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the snooty Atlanta society women.\nIt's beneath them to talk to anybody unless they belong to the [Piedmont]\nDriving Club and are part of their little group. It's there. It's still there,\nbut I don't think it's as bad among the arts in Atlanta anymore. They know a\nlittle better than to do that now, because too many of the Jewish people give a\nlot of money to the arts. They show them more ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"respect, because the arts cannot\nexist without a lot of money. As far as antisemitism, I never... I didn't walk\naround with a chip on my shoulder. Some Jewish people do. I never thought... I\nmarked it up to other things. I knew that the Driving Club was restricted. In\nfact, when I was a single woman, before I met Bill, for twelve-and-a-half years,\nI ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dated some non-Jewish men. One of them took me to the Driving Club one night\nfor dinner. He didn't tell me he was taking me there. He asked me out again, and\nhe said we were going to the Driving Club. I said, \"I'm not going to the Driving\nClub.\" This was just a few years ago. He said, \"Why not?\" I said, \"Because they\ndon't really want Jewish people there, and I'm not comfortable there.\" Even\nHarry Norman Realtors, who I worked for, stopped having his Christmas parties at\nthe Cherokee [Town and Country] Club as he had more Jewish ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"agents. They just\nweren't happy about it. I think we have made progress. There is a group we have\nnot made aware, but there is a group, I think, of the educated, cultured people\nin Atlanta who are very aware that the Jewish population is very important, not\nonly to the economy but to the arts in Atlanta. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They know that. You can look at\nthe people that donate to the Symphony in the program and count them. Of the big\ngivers, the percentage is very high based on our 80,000 population of Jewish\npeople. It is going to [always] be a problem. We are still fighting it. When I\nwas asked to be on the board [of directors] of the Symphony, which was last year\nwhen all this business with Yoel Levi was going ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on, and there were a lot of\nrumors that it was antisemitism. Is this important to talk about? Bill and I\ndecided to have a meeting here at the house. We asked the incoming new president\nand some of the board members and people that made a difference on the\ncommittee, non-Jewish people. We had had Yoel to lunch and Jackie... We had\nheard rumors they wanted to stay in Atlanta, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he had never come out and said\nto the right person, \"I want to stay in Atlanta.\" We verified that he wanted to\nstay in Atlanta, and we called this meeting, since I was the one that was\ninvolved in it. I had just\n\nbeen asked to be on the board, and I had said yes. My reason for being on the\n\nboard was to help the board become more diversified. I wanted more Blacks, more\nAsians, more Hispanics, more Jews on the board. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I felt like I could make a\n\ndifference. We had this meeting here at the house, and I wanted to be so\ncareful. I wrote my speech, and I talked about that... that none of them were\n\nmembers of a minority group. Jay and Liz Levine were there. There were ten of\n\nus. I said when you're a member of a minority group and someone in your minority\ngroup becomes very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"successful and you are very proud of them, then it's a\ndifferent feeling because we are a minority group. It's harder work for us to\n\nget to the top of the majority group. I said there are a lot of unanswered\nquestions about Yoel leaving. In other words, I didn't come out and talk about\n\nantisemitism, but I inferred that there were a lot of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rumors, unanswered\n\nquestions floating around, and it made a big difference. It was very offensive\n\nto some people. The new president, A.D. Frasier, who was second to Billy Payne\nin the Olympics... He is our new president. He just was devastated. He said, \"I\njust can't believe that anybody would feel this was an antisemitic thing on the\nboard's part to let him ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go.\" He said, \"If I thought for one minute there was\n\nantisemitism or bigotry on this symphony board, I would not be president. I\n\nwould back out.\" I believe him. He is a very up-front man. We just got it all\n\naired out, so now the people that may have made a few remarks the wrong way...\nOne lady said, \"Yoel can't talk to the audience. I don't even understand his\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"accent.\" That's not antisemitic. That's not antisemitic at all, that Yoel cannot\n\ntalk to the audience because people don't understand him. That's just saying, \"I\n\ndon't understand.\" He took it as antisemitism. There were several unfortunate\n\nremarks because Jewish people... I told them, \"Jewish people are very sensitive,\nand maybe you say things that you have no idea... you don't mean it the way it\nsounds or the way some people take ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it.\" The board is trying very, very hard to\novercome a lot of the things that happened. We are sort of digressing into a\ndifferent subject.\n\nKREMER: I am curious. Have they diversified?\n\nBREMAN: Yes. We just took in a young man [on the board]... 31 years old, who is\n\nvery prominent in the Hispanic community. We had nobody really representing...\n\nwhen you are on the board, you need to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"represent a large group within your own\n\nsphere so that you can get those people interested in coming. We took this man\n\nin. He loves music, and he is very thrilled about it. We took in another\nAfrican-American girl who has a big influence. We are cultivating people like\nMonica Kaufman [Pearson] and Johnnetta [Betsch] Cole. We have to cultivate them.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You ask them, and then they are on so many boards. They have to say not this\n\nyear but maybe next year. We are working on an Asian person. We have eight\n\nJewish people.\n\nKREMER: Who are your eight Jewish people now?\n\nBREMAN: We have some life counselors like Alene [Fox] Uhry and Joe Haas.\n\nKREMER: So you're counting them.\n\nBREMAN: Jay Levine. The Jewish people would be Josh Roe, a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gentleman named\n\nArnoldo Fiedotin. Do you know Arnold?\n\nKREMER: I don't.\n\nBREMAN: He just gave a piano to the symphony in honor of his wife, a new concert\n\npiano. Ruth Gershon [and Joyce Schwob]. I'm drawing a blank on the rest of them.\nPercentage-wise we are okay. When you look at percentages, only a certain\npercentage should ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be within a certain group. In other words, of 60 people, if\nyou've got ten percent, then you're doing fine. We have more than that. Billi\nMarcus, she's of them. Back to the question about the antisemitism, I always\nheard about the Leo Frank case, but I was not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here when it happened. Bill [M.\nWilliam Breman] was. Bill was a little boy. He remembers it. Bill is 90, so he\nwas a young boy when it happened. It's been a lot of years ago. My life was so\ndiversified, because I have always mingled with non-Jews and Jews. I have worked\non both sides of the fence. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was never ghettoized. I never wanted to be. In\nfact, when Bill asked me to marry him, if Bill had not been so diversified, I\nwould not have married him. He was active in United Way. He was [serving] soup\nat the St. Luke's Soup Kitchen. He is active in the community. He is on the\n\nboard of the High Museum. He is not just involved in Jewish things, and neither\n\nam I. I think ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we are our worst enemy. We cause a lot of it by staying in our\nlittle spot and not branching out into other areas, because we feel like maybe\nthey don't want us. If you get the feeling they don't want you, you just drop\nthat organization. You don't work there.\n\nKREMER: That never happened to you?\n\nBREMAN: Not outright. I can say the Atlanta History Center, they may not even\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know that... I don't know that they are antisemitic, but there are very few\nJewish people involved in that. When I was in real estate, they would say, \"You\nhave to join this, you have to join that, because you meet more people and you\nsell more houses.\" I joined the History Center. They were just a different group\nof women that I had nothing in common with. I have not felt that way at the\n[Atlanta] Symphony. I am more mature ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now, and the Symphony has come a long way.\n\nIt's got a long way to go. We've got great leadership. I keep going back to the\n\nSymphony because A.D. Frasier strongly believes in diversification. We had an\n\nall-day retreat with the musicians, the staff and the board, and that was one of\n\nhis big things. He wanted to reach out to everybody, not make it a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"black-tie\nbanker kind of music thing. Unfortunately the arts are... You have to have a lot\n\nof money to run them. It costs $48,000,000 a year just to run the Symphony, so\n\nyou have to have movers and shakers. To a lot of them, it is strictly a social\n\nthing. It's unfortunate, but the arts all over the country are like that. It's\nnot just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta.\n\nKREMER: Our Symphony is going to go through a big transition. There is no doubt\nabout that.\n\nBREMAN: It is doing it now. I think they have got a lot of guest conductors\ncoming, and the search committee is searching. One of Yoel's best friends, Neil\nBerman... You know Sandy Berman who is the archivist [at the William Breman\n\nJewish Heritage Museum]?\n\nKREMER: Yes.\n\nBREMAN: It is her brother-in-law. He is on the search committee. He is one of\nYoel's best friends. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is helping them search [for a new conductor]. They are\ngoing all over the country and all over the world listening to people. The\nchange is going to take place. Sometimes change is better. Sometimes it's not. I\nhope we get somebody as technically good as Yoel. Technically, he is wonderful.\nYou won't find anybody with a memorized repertoire like he has, but we'll see\nwhat the change is. I think down the road... ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We talk about it now on the board.\nOne day we will have a new symphony hall, which we need.\n\nKREMER: I know that is something Yoel really wanted.\n\nBREMAN: It takes so much money. We are not going to have it for a long time. How\n\ncan we get more money for the other things? Though, when you look at just within\nour Jewish organizations how drained everybody is. The things that we have to\nturn down is just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unbelievable, because you cannot give to everything. They are\nbig projects. The new school, the capital campaign, and the [William] Breman\n[Jewish Heritage] Museum, which is just crawling. It's two years old, and it's\nstruggling. We don't have enough members. We don't have all of our committees\ngoing full gung-ho yet, because we're new.\n\nKREMER: I think they haven't taken advantage and done a lot of PR [public\n\nrelations]. I think it's more... ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think they need some movers and shakers on\nthat board, and they are not...\n\nBREMAN: For the PR?\n\nKREMER: Yes. I'm not going to get into all that.\n\nBREMAN: No, but they just hired a development person, because I've been\nscreaming for a year. I said, \"You will never make it without somebody in charge\n\nof development.\" We are just a piece of the [Jewish] Federation [of Greater\nAtlanta]. We are not isolated. We are not an independent agency, so we are\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dependent on the Federation for a lot of things. We had one fundraiser, and that\n\nwas the party that I got up for Bill's birthday [in 1998].\n\nKREMER: That was a great idea.\n\nBREMAN: They raised $75,000. Now we've got to think of another fund raiser, but\n\nyou have got to have the leadership to do it. We want to form a women's\n\nauxiliary, so we need that. The men are too busy. The men are so busy. You have\ngot Arnie [Arnold] Rubenstein, who is president of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Federation (1998-2000). You\nhave got Bill [William B.] Schwartz, who is president of the Breman Museum. I'm\nnot saying they don't do a good job, but they don't have as much time as some\nwomen have to dig into things in such a persevering say. The board is still\nfloundering. There is still a lot to be done besides raise money. The staff is\nsmall. We have a very small staff for the amount of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"work they are doing, and not\na lot of money to bring exhibits here.\n\nKREMER: They brought some really nice things in, though.\n\nBREMAN: Right. The Blonder Foundation gave enough money, I think, to bring in\nthis new show that's opening. We are bringing a curator with this exhibit from\nIsrael. Joyce Schwob and I are chairmen of the Music Committee, and we are\nbringing a flutist, the girl from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Israel who is studying at Julliard. She is\ngoing to play some of her music. I hope you will come...\n\nKREMER: I try to go to most of the things there.\n\nBREMAN: ...to the openings and things.\n\nKREMER: Yes. I do. If I'm in town.\n\nBREMAN: Back to our discussion. I cannot tell you too much about feeling\nantisemitism in my life in Atlanta.\n\nKREMER: Let's go back and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talk about your observances of Atlanta through\n\ndifferent periods, because you are pretty descriptive. Let's go back to your\nearly years of marriage. You were doing all this club work, but tell me about\nAtlanta, what life was like.\n\nBREMAN: Atlanta did not have shopping centers. 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I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"carried that over. If you wanted to shop,\nthat's where you went. I think it was in the 1950s Lenox Square opened, and the\nlittle suburban shops started coming around. Traffic was not as bad. Real estate\nwas not as expensive. It was not as crowded as it is now. Big beautiful\nsubdivisions. Atlanta has become a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nightmare, as far as I'm concerned.\n\nKREMER: Also there was not the diversity in population then.\n\nBREMAN: No.\n\nKREMER: It was pretty much a white-Black population, and it's really changed\n\nsince I've been here.\n\nBREMAN: Yes. It has changed tremendously. It is... Downtown is [scary]... we\nwent to the Commerce Club--\n\nKREMER: This is Side 2 of Tape 1 on November 2, 1998. The interview is of\n\nElinor ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Breman by Ray Ann Kremer, sponsored by the American Jewish Committee, the\nAtlanta Jewish Federation, and the National Council of Jewish Women for the\nAtlanta Jewish History Project. You were talking about going Downtown last year.\n\nBREMAN: We went down to the Commerce Club [that] sponsored a theater evening. We\nhad dinner at the Commerce Club and went to the Fox [Theater] by bus, and they\nbrought us back to the Commerce Club ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to our cars. Bill wanted to ride down\nPeachtree [Street], so here we are in his big red Cadillac, two white people. We\nstart down Peachtree on a Saturday night going towards Buckhead. It was\nwall-to-wall cars. It was like Freaknik, if you were ever in this Freaknik thing\nthat they have. It was all Black. The music was pouring out of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cars. The\n\nbottles were being turned up. They were hanging out of the cars. I said, \"Bill,\n\nget off of Peachtree [Street].\" It felt terrible.\n\nKREMER: You told him to get off Peachtree.\n\nBREMAN: I said, \"Let's get off Peachtree.\" He thought this was interesting. I\nsaid, \"Roll your windows up,\" because if you looked at these people, they were\ndrinking, they were boisterous, they were... it felt very threatening. We were\nthe only white people on the whole street. When we got to the Ritz [-Carlton\nHotel], I said, \"If you don't turn here, I'm going to get out and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"walk.\" He\nturned, and he got off Peachtree, but this keeps people from going Downtown.\nThey have been talking for years about doing something to Downtown to bring more\npeople down there, but it's kind of scary down there. [Of] course, it's scary everywhere.\n\nKREMER: We hardly hear of all the stuff that goes on around Lenox Square.\n\nThere's plenty, and that's in our backyard.\n\nBREMAN: Right. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My little niece, Cathy Sinsimer... Do you know Cathy? She is\nquite active in the community. They just bought a beautiful new home off of\nJohnson Ferry near Parkaire, in a wonderful subdivision, [an] expensive\nsubdivision. She went down to her car the other day. She has an electric garage\ndoor, and she left her garage door up. She always leaves her bag in the car. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So\nshe comes down to go drive another car pool. Her bag was gone, and her husband's\ngolf clubs were gone. Now these houses are fairly close together [in] a\nbeautiful subdivision, and something like this happens. They didn't even send\nout a police car. They sent out a plainclothes man, because all the policemen\nwere busy. We don't have enough policemen in this city. She said, \"Is a lot of\nthis happening?\" He said, \"You don't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want to know,\" was his answer. In other\nwords, it is happening. It is happening so much. I remember Atlanta when you\ndidn't have to be afraid. When I was growing up [in Chattanooga], mother would\nleave the house open for me, and I would walk home from school. Now it's\nterrible to have to live... not in fear. We don't live in fear. Bill and I are\nvery fortunate. We live in a building that has ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"24-hour security, and hopefully\nnothing happens, but a lot of people don't live like that. When I got my divorce\nin 1981, I moved to Cross Creek. Cross Creek is a beautiful small condominium\n[complex]. It's not so small... there are 900 units built around a golf course\nin Buckhead. It was a great lifestyle for me, but I didn't feel ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"safe there.\nThings were happening there all the time. As I became older, I was going to move\nout and get into some kind of a secure situation. This is how we live today.\nWest Paces Ferry Shopping Center [in the top area of Buckhead]... you have to\nwatch your bag in all shopping centers. You think, \"That's in Buckhead. It's a\nfine area.\" Women have their bags grabbed all the time in that shopping center.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We live with caution now. Of course, Atlanta in many ways is much better than it\nwas when I moved here, but in a lot of ways it is not as good.\n\nKREMER: In what way?\n\nBREMAN: It's too congested. The Zoning Commission is just giving zoning permits\n\nto too many people. The things that are going up around Lenox Square, you have\ngot three or four big condominium ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"high rises going up there. They already have\nso many cars you can't get through. The sewerage, what happens to the sewerage?\nWhat happens with the traffic? This building, Park Place, has 450 people living\nhere, 250 units. You go down to the lobby at certain times to get your car,\nwhich we avoid usually... we go all the way down into the parking and get it.\nIt's like the Marriott Hotel, coming and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going and valets. It's busy. Atlanta is\na wonderful city and a beautiful city. They haven't changed the trees very much.\nYou come in by air, you see we live in a forest. But I hate things such as going\ndown Peachtree from Buckhead towards the Woodruff Arts Center, which we do a lot\nbecause we go to the symphony. We take in a lot of events ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. The beautiful\nold Rhodes [Hall], that point... Equifax is building a building on that corner,\nwhere they had that big Olympic ballplayers sculpture there. They are putting a\nbuilding up, which means that they are going to conceal the whole side of that\nbeautiful old architectural jewel that is sitting there. You are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not going to be\nable to see any of it except from the front, just maybe the front. That is what\n\nI am talking about. Why the Zoning Committee... why do they allow people to\n\ndestroy parts of our city that are landmarks and that are beautiful. I strongly\nobject to that.\n\nKREMER: They have been doing that for a long time.\n\nBREMAN: I know.\n\nKREMER: Forever. I was told that Piedmont Road used to have beautiful homes on\nit. It is nothing but office ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"buildings now where I live.\n\nBREMAN: That's right. We do have a historical registry, and many of the homes in\n\nareas, streets, even Buckhead, like Tuxedo [Park] and some of those streets\n\naround the governor's mansion... They have real restrictions on what they can\n\ndo, even digging up a tree. There are certain things that will destroy the city,\n\nif they keep ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"jamming stuff in. I hate to see all this congestion going on in\n\nBuckhead. You want something to remember that I can talk about? Buckhead during\nthe 1960s. Tenth Street [Midtown] during the 1960s. Tenth Street was like San\nFrancisco, with the drugs and the hippies and the runaway kids. All up and down\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"10th Street, around 6th [Street], 7th [Street], 5th [Street], they were on the\n\nstreets like you see in the movies in San Francisco, Haight-Ashbury. That's what\n\nit was like... marijuana... there was this bedraggled, lost-looking group of\npeople. This went on for years. Now we drive through that area, and it is really\nbeen renovated and it is pretty. They have done a lot of restoring, so Atlanta\nis improving a lot of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"areas.\n\nKREMER: Let's get to the 1960s, because you were getting involved in volunteer\n\nwork. You were going through the 1940s and 1950s, but let's get into the 1960s.\n\nYour children were growing up. You were still doing volunteer work.\n\nBREMAN: My children were in school.\n\nKREMER: Describe the city, you said Buckhead, during the 1960s.\n\nBREMAN: It wasn't Buckhead as much as around 10th Street. There was an overflow\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of lost people, the druggies.\n\nKREMER: It certainly wasn't all these restaurants.\n\nBREMAN: No. I can remember that we had maybe two restaurants if we went out to\n\neat, if we had the money to go out to eat. We were raising three children, and\n\ntimes were not that good. There was Hart's on Peachtree [Street], which was a\n\nbeautiful old house... it's no longer there... and Johnny Escoe's [Patio\nRestaurant and Calabash Lounge]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those were about the only two places you could\ngo. Now we have thousands of the most mediocre restaurants in the United States\nhere in Atlanta. [If] you want to go out to dinner at night, you've got a\nhandful of restaurants where, number one, the food is good, and you can talk.\n\nKREMER: You can talk. That's the main thing.\n\nBREMAN: That's right. Atlanta has changed a lot. It's just become a big city. As\nfar as our city ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"government, I don't know how wonderful it is. I think there are\na lot of things wrong with it. When you live in Buckhead, unless you are in\nbusiness Downtown, you really don't go Downtown much. My life revolves around\nthe Buckhead, Sandy Springs... Maybe I go to Sandy Springs area some. Bill does\n\nMeals on Wheels. He goes over to the Briarcliff Road area for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. [phone is\n\npersistently ringing in background] Atlanta is going to grow a lot more. I don't\n\nknow what they're going to do with all the people and all the sewerage and all\n\nthat they've got to do. This house down the street, at Lindbergh [Drive] and\nPeachtree [Street], that they are going to move it [the Randolph-Lucas House]\nbecause they are building several million dollar condominiums there at 2400\nPeachtree. The old [Randolph]-Lucas house. They can't tear it down because it's\non the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta Historical Registry, so they're going to move it 30 feet. It was\n\nreal cute. I was talking to the architect the other night about it. I said, \"Do\nyou think those chimneys are going to fall? Do you think that house is going to\nfall down when they move it? It's a brick house. It's been there forever.\" He\nsaid, \"I hope so. We can't tear it down, and it's going to cost us so much to\nmove it and then renovate it, and they're going to use it for a clubhouse for\nthese condominiums.\" They have been building ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on Atlanta [as long as I can\nremember]. The Wits Ends players used to be here before you came here. [Have]\nyou ever hear of the Wits Ends players? You have heard of Dick Van Dyke? He\nhelped start it. He is now a big star. The rest of them stayed here, and they\nperformed here. They sang a song, \"They're Tearing Up Peachtree Again.\" Now that\nsong has been going on for the last 50 years. They're tearing up Peachtree\nagain. That's a little piece of trivia from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that generation.\n\nKREMER: Now we'll go back and hit your real estate years, because I'm sure\n\nyou're... when did you start with real estate?\n\nBREMAN: In 1972. I was in it until 1993.\n\nKREMER: What prompted you to go into real estate? You got tired of your club work?\n\nBREMAN: No. My husband sold his business.\n\nKREMER: What was his business?\n\nBREMAN: Buckhead Men's Shop. He sold his ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business. I needed to go to work,\nmentally and financially, so I took a real estate course. [I] couldn't add two\nand two, but I took a lot of courses. I did very well in real estate. I've got\nlists of houses I've sold through the years, starting with $65,000 that are now\n$200,000. I have really ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"watched the city grow. I had a very, very exciting [and]\nrewarding career emotionally and financially in real estate. In 1990, I wrote a\nbook, a real estate book.\n\nKREMER: What is it called?\n\nBREMAN: It's called \"Roller Coaster Ride\". It is a real estate agent's guide to\nsurvival and sanity. I wrote it for the agent because... this was in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1990. I had\n\nbeen in real estate since 1972, and the young agents would ask me so many\n\nquestions that one day... I was single. I had time on my hands. I said, \"I'm\ngoing to write a book. I'm going to take some of the strange things that have\nhappened to me in my career, and I'm going to write little stories.\"\n\nKREMER: Tell me about some of the strange things.\n\nBREMAN: Tell you about the strange things. It would be easier to let you read\nthe book.\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That wouldn't be on tape.\n\nBREMAN: No. They are basic.\n\nKREMER: Who published the book? We should have that anyhow.\n\nBREMAN: Who published the book? It took me four years to write 122 pages,\nbecause I kept changing, and I didn't have that much time. I typed it. I made\neight copies of it, and I got a book on how to publish a book. I sent it to\neight publishers and got back a lot of \"thank you but no thank yous.\" They\ndidn't think there was a big enough audience. I knew that in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta alone at\nthat time we had 5,600 real estate agents, just in Atlanta. I knew what the\nNational Association of Realtors had all over the country. I just got so\nfrustrated with the whole thing, and this took another year, that I got a book\non self-publishing. I was thumbing through the book store one day, and I saw a\nlittle book on swimming that a girl in Atlanta had self-published, How to be\nSafe in a Swimming Pool. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I called her, and she was very nice. She gave me the\nname [of a printer and an artist]. I had an editor for it. I had found an editor\nthat would edit the book, because there are certain things that unless you are\nreally [trained]... Even the fine writers have to have editors.\n\nKREMER: Sure.\n\nBREMAN: She sent me to her printer and her artist who had designed the outside\nof the book, because I wanted some little cartoons in my book between the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"chapters. I attacked it myself. I don't know how I did it. It cost me $6,000 to\ndo it, and I got back about $4,000. I didn't go in it for the money. I had\nsomething to say, and I just was sure I was going to do it. It was fun putting\nit all together. I self-published it, and I promoted it. In the heat of the\nsummer, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I loaded my car... I had flyers made with order blanks and all that. I\nwent to Borders Bookstore. I had heard that the manager there loved local\nwriters. I went in there and did a number on him. [I] talked him into a book\nsigning once I picked the book up. The book was... I'll show it to you. It was\nvery colorful [and] eye-catching. He liked me and my personality. I did a\nclosing on it and opened my calendar. I said, \"Now what day do you want ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me to do\na book signing?\" He took his calendar out, and he gave me a book signing. That\nday we sold 80 copies, which was [unusual]. That's a lot of books to sell he\nsaid. He said he was real excited about that. What I did to promote it [was] I\nput them in envelopes, and I put a little resume on me. I had a good resume. I\ntook them all over to the big brokers in Atlanta. It was a complimentary copy,\nan ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"advance copy. Through that it got out among the real estate agents. I have\nabout five left now. I didn't print but 1,000. I was thinking about redoing it,\nnot updating it but just republishing it, because there is another whole market\nfor it. If I wanted something to do.\n\nKREMER: Now what year was this? 1990?\n\nBREMAN: That year, 1990... was one of the worst years in real estate. In the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stock market, in the housing market, there was a real slump economically. One\nday I get a phone call from the Atlanta Business Chronicle, the real estate\neditor, who has since been killed in an automobile wreck... a darling girl...\n\nKREMER: I knew her. She was from Memphis [Tennessee]...\n\nBREMAN: Cindy.\n\nKREMER: Cindy, yes. I have forgotten her married name.\n\nBREMAN: She called me and she said, \"I was at a cocktail party last night, and\nsomebody told ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me that you are having a fantastic year, that you have sold\n$8,000,000 worth of real estate this year. Do you mind letting me interview you\n\non the phone, because all my news is so bad for the Business Chronicle that it\n\nwould be real nice to have something positive going on.\" I had a wonderful year\n\nthat year. That was a lot of real estate then, in 1990. Now, $8,000,000, they do\n\nthat... houses have gotten so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"high an agent can do that in two or three months.\n\nI had written this book and sold all that real estate in that one year. I\nanswered some questions. I said, \"By the way, Cindy, you may be interested. I've\nwritten a book, and I'm getting ready to publish it.\" She said, \"Let me call you\nback.\" She called me back in a few minutes, and she said, \"I told my publisher,\nand she said, 'Go out and get a picture of her and do a front story. That's\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wonderful,'\" which she did. She came to my office. She took a picture, and they\ndid a whole front page and some more about my career. It was the best publicity\nI could have gotten.\n\nKREMER: That's great.\n\nBREMAN: That was a real high point. That was one of the highest points of my\nlife, I guess, in real estate. Of course the next year I almost had a nervous\nbreakdown from all of that. You have wipe-outs. Everybody knew me in real\nestate. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I married... I don't know how personal you want this tape to be,\nbut I think it's true of anybody that switches gears in their life. I went from\nbeing a single, self-supporting, successful professional woman into Bill\nBreman's world, which is a tremendously different world. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had been the star\nreal estate agent, so now I was Bill Breman's wife, which was wonderful. I was\nvery proud of it, but I had to back off and learn how to be a different person\nalmost, a different career.\n\nKREMER: It's a different career, but you're the same person.\n\nBREMAN: I'm the same person, sure, but I went into this world of all these\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"meetings and all these Jewish people I had never laid eyes on before. He always\nlaughs about the first big meeting he took me to. I think... it may have been\nAmerican Jewish Committee, an award or something. It was a lot of people in one\nof the hotels. He walked me in, and I said, \"Where did all these Jewish people\ncome from? I didn't know Atlanta had all these.\" My world had been so different.\nWhen I went into real estate, I knew the people at the Temple, the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people at the\nStandard Club, my little circle of friends, and the arts community. Then I went\n\ninto real estate, and my whole life changed there because my friends and\n\ncontacts with my customers and other real estate agents...\n\nKREMER: When did you start in real estate?\n\nBREMAN: Nineteen hundred seventy-two.\n\nKREMER: You were still married then.\n\nBREMAN: Yes. I didn't get a divorce until 1981.\n\nKREMER: That, too, would have changed your life drastically.\n\nBREMAN: In 1972, I had been a Jewish housewife. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did not know I could earn a\nliving. It was necessary to earn a living, so I earned a living. I was lucky\nthat I was in the right field, that I just sort of fit into it. When I became\nindependent enough, being in a marriage that had been good but [was no longer]\ngood, I got a divorce and sort of found myself all over again. I became another\nperson. I have had so many phases in my life.\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think most people have.\n\nBREMAN: They have. A lot of people don't, though. A lot of people sort of stay\nthe same and live by the rules. You think about it. They do.\n\nKREMER: No, because life does things to people or things happen that you have\n\nno control over so you have to move on.\n\nBREMAN: That's true.\n\nKREMER: I don't think anybody stays the same.\n\nBREMAN: I know people that have. At our age, they're the same as they were when\n\nI knew them 34 years ago. They raised their ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children, and they moved right along\nand did not make drastic changes. I'm talking about the drastic change. I made\nsome drastic changes. I'm not saying I'm the only one that did that.\n\nKREMER: How old were you when you were divorced?\n\nBREMAN: I divorced in 1981, so that's 18 years ago. I was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[59] when I got a\ndivorce. I had been married 41 years. Bill and I together have over 100 years of\nmarriage. It's been quite a rewarding experience. I have given a lot to him\nbecause there's a lot of age difference and generational difference. I was in a\nprofessional world, and I don't think ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he ever really knew a woman in a\nprofessional world. He had a whole new thing to learn for him. I had a lot to\nlearn about being his wife, being in a community where he is so highly regarded\nand respected.\n\nKREMER: How do you attribute the success in your marriage? What do you think at\nthat stage getting married has made it work?\n\nBREMAN: What has made it work?\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.\n\nBREMAN: First of all, we didn't plan to get married. Two weeks before he asked\nme to marry him, his daughter, Carol Nemo, asked him if he was going to marry\nme. We had gone together two or three months. He said, \"No, we don't want to get\n\nmarried. We're just enjoying ourselves.\" Two weeks later, he asked me to marry\n\nhim. First of all, we fell in love, something I never thought would happen. Bill\n\nhas a lot of qualities, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not that I look at him as a father, but he has a lot of\nthe qualities that my father in Chattanooga had. Big man in the community. My\nfather didn't have the means to be philanthropic, but he gave so much of\n\nhimself. He was the president of Temple and started the first Jewish Federation\n\nthere in Chattanooga. [He] was admired and respected in life. I saw these\n\nqualities in Bill, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's what I guess attracted me to him. We've gotten\nalong, and we had 13 grandchildren between us. I have now two\ngreat-grandchildren. He has a son and a daughter. I have three sons who are all\nmarried. There are a lot of us. The first two years in a new marriage, a second\nmarriage particularly more than a first marriage, is spent trying to get used to\neach ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other's families. You do marry a family whether you... you like to think\nyou don't, but you do. Then one year we spent fixing this place up. That was fun\nbecause we bought things together. [We] went to Santa Fe [New Mexico] and got\nart together. He has learned a lot from me in certain areas that he didn't know\nabout. I have learned a lot from him in certain areas I didn't know about. It's\nbeen a good mixture. We're very devoted, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and we take good care of each other. As\nyou get older, you need that. We respect each other. We know when it's time to\nhave space. Luckily we have enough space here, so he can go watch his ball games\n\nand I can go in my sitting area in my bedroom and read. We respect that. I am\n\nnot a good cook, I tell him every time I cook something. I say, \"I cooked for 38\n\nyears. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"told you when we got married you could put it in the premarital\nagreement if you want to, if I have to cook more than three nights a week,\nyou're going to cook it,\" but you get tired of going out. He's very caring and\ngiving about whatever I want to do, wherever I want to go. He likes to keep\ngoing. This morning I said, \"Where are you going? You're not going to play\ntennis until this afternoon.\" \"I don't want to be there for your interview.\" I\nsaid, \"You can be in your office.\" \"No, I might squelch you.\" I said, \"You're\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not going to squelch me at all.\"\n\nKREMER: You're not squelchable at all.\n\nBREMAN: I am squelchable, believe me. I didn't know what I was going to talk to\nyou about.\n\nKREMER: You're doing great.\n\nBREMAN: \"Don't worry,\" he said. \"She'll give you leading questions to help you\n\nout.\" I don't know how helpful I've been.\n\nKREMER: You're not going to be happy about this, but we do two interviews. I\n\ndidn't tell you that the first time. We always do a second tape. I listen to\nthis, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then we find what I've missed. I have missed a lot because we\nhaven't... I'm just beginning to touch what's going on now, but we've missed the\n1980s, when you were working.\n\nBREMAN: In the 1980s, I was trying to stay alive. I divorced in 1981. I had a\nhouse to sell... I had never lived alone in my life. In my whole life I had\nnever lived alone.\n\nKREMER: Was that a difficult adjustment ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for you?\n\nBREMAN: Horrible. I had a dog. I went from Mother and Daddy to my first\nmarriage. I was married 41 years. Sold the house. Moved into a condo. [I had]\nnever been alone in my life.\n\nKREMER: It must have taken a lot of guts to decide to divorce.\n\nBREMAN: It was a sink or swim kind of thing. It took three or four years of\nthinking about it before I did it. Many women ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stay in marriages for economic\nreasons and they're miserable. I was now... I was professional, and I could take\ncare of myself. Not to get too personal on the tape, it was a necessary thing to\ndo. I was single twelve-and-a-half years during that period. I dated, and I traveled.\n\nKREMER: You must have grown a lot during those twelve years.\n\nBREMAN: I grew a lot. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grew up and found out a lot about myself I didn't know I\ncould do, like taking a trip by yourself to Bangkok [Thailand].\n\nKREMER: You went all by yourself?\n\nBREMAN: On a cruise. I did. I flew to Bangkok all by myself.\n\nKREMER: How was it?\n\nBREMAN: It was very exciting. I had a guide over there, and then I got on a\ncruise ship. I did it. I went to Alaska by myself. The first trip I took was to\nHawaii by myself. A ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"woman, it's... anything you have to do, if it scares you to\ndeath, if you go ahead and do it, the next time you do it, it's not so scary. I\nfound that out. I read a lot of books. After my divorce, people said, \"You\nreally need to go to a psychiatrist or a support group.\" I said, \"No way. I'm\ngoing to do this myself.\" So I read a lot of good books that were recommended. I\nwent through a lot of real tough times.\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was the hardest thing about it?\n\nBREMAN: I guess the loneliness and having to make all the decisions by myself.\nThe dating, that's horrible. [I] hated dating.\n\nKREMER: How soon did you start dating?\n\nBREMAN: I started going out six or eight months after I was divorced. People\nwere always fixing me up, and I met people through my business. Two-and-a-half\nyears before I started going with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bill, which was 1993 when I started going with\n\nhim, I didn't have a date. I got so fed up with the kind of men I was going out\n\nwith. I was tired and I was busy. I thought it's not worth it. I'm just going to\nbe a grandmother now and sell real estate, and I'm not going to worry about it.\nTwo-and-a-half years, and then Bill came.\n\nKREMER: How did you meet him?\n\nBREMAN: Bill and I had known each other since I came to Atlanta. He was a\nwidower, and he lived around the corner. I was going [to an ADL fundraiser] one\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"night... I called him up and I said, \"Bill, you want to go to an ADL fundraiser\nnext week?\" He said, \"Yes\" and we went. Then he took me to Temple... then I had\nhim to dinner. It was just back and forth. Then as time went on, he started\nrecovering [from his grief and got used to dating].\n\nKREMER: How long after Sylvia [Goldstein Breman] died did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you...\n\nBREMAN: Sylvia died in 1992, January of 1992. We were married in August of 1993,\nso about a year and a half she had been dead. Everybody tells me that he's never\nlooked better, he's never dressed better, he's never looked happier, so I must\nbe good for him.\n\nKREMER: I would think so. You look pretty good yourself.\n\nBREMAN: Thank you. The 1980s in my life were the divorce years where really all\nI did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was work and have some social life, but I wasn't involved in anything\nexcept real estate, writing my book, and my children. That's about all.\n\nKREMER: What about all your old friends? Did you find that some of that changed\nor your lifestyle changed a lot with your divorce?\n\nBREMAN: With my divorce? It had changed before my divorce, because we had a\n\ngroup of friends, and one of those friends was in partnership with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Buckhead\n\nMen's Shop with Herbie. When that partnership dissolved, the friends... Herbie,\n\nmy husband, was not well. It was very hard to be our friends. They all sided\nwith the other group, so that group of friends couldn't be my friends anymore.\nPlus my life was so different. Taking care of him and working. We dropped out of\nthe club. Our whole lifestyle changed. 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I do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not miss the business. I have been\nout of it since 1993, but it was so exciting and so challenging. The adrenaline\nflows a lot, and you have a lot of wonderful friends because you're all going\nthrough the same thing together. I don't have that now. I don't have that woman\ntalk. When you have woman talk in a business, a profession, it's different than\nwoman talk over a card table or at a meeting. That's a different kind, so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I get\nit now in beauty parlors. That's where I get my woman talk. That kind of woman\ntalk, the gossipy kind of woman talk, independent of people you know with whom\nyou talk about other things. We're very happy, and we're planning trips. Bill is\ngoing to take 26 of our grandchildren and children on a cruise to Alaska in\nAugust, so we're going to have two merging families.\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My goodness, you're going to take up the whole ship.\n\nBREMAN: No, it's a big ship. Just for a week. His daughter [Carol Nemo] is going\nto have a birthday soon, and we're going to give her a surprise party.\n\nKREMER: That's nice. Carol is going to be 50?\n\nBREMAN: Yes. She's in Israel right now. She thinks she's coming over for Shabbat\n\n[Hebrew: Sabbath] dinner.\n\nKREMER: That's nice.\n\nBREMAN: We're very open about our ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children and grandchildren. It's taken two or\n\nthree years to open up about what we like about them and what we don't like\n\nabout them. If one of them does something we don't think they should do, we talk\nabout it now.\n\nKREMER: Was that hard to do at first?\n\nBREMAN: Yes. It's hard to do, but I think it's helpful. How can you communicate?\nHow can you share things if you're not open? You have to be open to talk about\n\nthings, to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get along, to have any kind of marriage. That's where so many things\n\nfall apart is lack of communication.\n\nKREMER: When you look at Atlanta now, what do you see for Atlanta in the\n\n future?\n\nBREMAN: More congestion and more people. I think there's such a thing as growing\n\ntoo big. We hate to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"judge something. Back on a little different subject. Before\nit was even opened, this new play, Parade... it's opening November 12 on Broadway...\n\nKREMER: Yes. This is the new Alfred Uhry play about the Leo Frank case. A musical.\n\nBREMAN: Alene [Fox] Uhry, his mother, lives in the building. Alene and Bill used\nto take dancing lessons together. She is 89-and-a-half. We had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"her to dinner the\nother night. I said, \"How is the play?\" because she saw it in the beginning,\nwhen they were working on it. She said, \"The music is beautiful but it's a heavy\nsubject.\" We, from a Jewish standpoint I can't... we're going to go to New York\n\n[City, New York] and see it. How in the world that play cannot cause... we feel\nlike it's going ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to... with all these hate groups, it could very easily cause a\nlot of problems because they never really... they pardoned Leo Frank later in\nlife, but there are still a lot of people that felt he really did it. From what\nI have heard about the play... there's one song... \"poor little Mary Phagan,\npoor little Mary Phagan\"... there will be a lot of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"aftermath about that play.\nBill and I feel that way. I hope there is not. Writers write what happens.\nAlfred Uhry is a fine writer. We are very fond of him and his mother. I hope the\nplay will do what he wants it to do and won't cause a lot of antisemitism, any\nmore than we've ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got, with all these hate groups. Right now, the Ku Klux Klan in\nGainesville [Georgia] is popping up again and all that. The play's opening\nNovember 20 in New York. They wanted to open it here, but thank goodness they\ndidn't let them do it. It would be horrible opening in Atlanta. We don't know\nwhat that play is going to do.\n\nKREMER: On that same ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"subject, where do you see the Jewish community in the\n\nfuture of Atlanta?\n\nBREMAN: The Jewish community, the Reform movement in Atlanta seems to be getting\nmore and more Conservative. The Temple was really too Classical Reform, and now\nI just... For me, having been brought up so Reform, I don't want to see the\nTemple get any more traditional than it is. It's almost a little too traditional\nfor me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now.\n\nKREMER: Do you speak Hebrew? Can you read Hebrew?\n\nBREMAN: No, I cannot read Hebrew, and neither can Bill.\n\nKREMER: Neither can I, and that's the problem.\n\nBREMAN: Not many of the old Reform people can read Hebrew, but you go there and\nyou sit around all these people that are saying it and singing all the songs.\n\nThey have changed all the melodies. As far as where I see the Jewish community\ngoing, the city is growing out in so many areas. They are opening all these\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"congregations, and the younger people seem to want it. My niece, Cathy Sinsimer,\nhas three little girls. Two of them are at [Afred \u0026 Adele] Davis Academy. One of\nmy granddaughters goes to a Zaban community thing where she's learning... She\nlearns Hebrew at [Congregation] B'nai Torah. They're about to join Temple Sinai.\nShe knows Hebrew. The younger people, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and even the young marrieds that sit\naround us, the few times we go to Temple, seem to know Hebrew. They know the\nthings. I'd like to see Reform stay Reform. It doesn't have to be as Classical\nReform. I would like to see it stay Reform so that you have a choice, whether\nyou wear a yarmulke, whether you wear a tallit.\n\nKREMER: You do have a choice.\n\nBREMAN: We have at the Temple.\n\nKREMER: Right. You have a choice everywhere as far as that goes.\n\nBREMAN: I don't know whether you do or ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not. Aren't you required... Like [at] the\nAA [Ahavath Achim, a Conservative synagogue] you have to wear a yarmulke. I\ndon't think everybody wears one.\n\nKREMER: No, I don't think so.\n\nBREMAN: Judaism is... the very strict Orthodox... the William Breman Jewish\nHeritage Museum is for the whole community, but we have no kitchen. We have a\nsmall kitchen that could maybe prepare for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"100 people. It's been given its\n\nblessing by the rabbis that bless it for that reason, for the food. But when we\n\ngive any kind of big thing there, like for Bill's birthday party, what we have\nto go through with that group. When they start with, \"You can't have artichokes\nbecause they're not kosher.\" That to me, that's a little bit ridiculous. They\nfound some old cans that had been blessed or something, so we ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"used those. Some\nof it is a little bit... I mean, I respect people for what they believe, but I\nthink some of it can go a little too far. The wine has to be kosher. The liquor\nhas to be kosher. It can't be just kosher. If the caterer cooks just kosher,\nthat's not enough. It's got to be glatt kosher. It's got to really be kosher, so\nthat makes it very hard on the committees. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think everybody should have the\nright to do what they want to do. I can understand [that] they want everybody to\nbe able to participate there, but I think some of the things are extreme in\nJudaism. I think that the day schools, for some people I think are wonderful,\nthe parochial schools. I've never personally been a great believer in parochial\nschools, because we don't live in a parochial world.\n\nKREMER: I know ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol is real involved with... the Davis Academy...\n\nBREMAN: Carol helped start the Davis Academy. It will be very interesting to see\n20 years from now... I hope I'm still here to see it... how much that does save\nJudaism, how much does that keep intermarriages from happening.\n\nKREMER: I don't know if that's what it will do, but it will certainly enrich the\nJewish knowledge and Jewish contact of the children and the families who attend there.\n\nBREMAN: Absolutely, but I think the primary reason is to keep all this\nintermarriage from happening, from destroying ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Jewish tradition.\n\nKREMER: Are all your children married to Jews?\n\nBREMAN: All but one. They have one child. They don't belong to anything, and\nthat's their privilege but they don't belong to anything. Marriage is very\ndifficult. It's certainly easier to marry within your own faith, although I have\nknown people that are real Reform and marry a real Orthodox, and it's almost as\nbad as intermarriage... interfaith marriage. You have too?\n\nKREMER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.\n\nBREMAN: The Atlanta Jewish community is very strong, very involved, very\nphilanthropic. I found all this out since I've been married to Bill.\n\nKREMER: I'm going to close the tape right now, so I can listen to it and see\nwhat we've missed.\n\nBREMAN: We couldn't have missed anything.\n\nKREMER: Thank you very much for your time.\n\nBREMAN: You're quite welcome. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/transcript/21674/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"enjoyed going back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=5460.0,5490.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Breman, Elinor Angel [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=0.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Today is November 2, 1998. This is Ray Ann Kremer interviewing Elinor Angel Rosenberg Breman for the Atlanta Jewish Oral History Project sponsored by the American Jewish Committee, the National Council of Jewish Women, and the Atlanta Jewish Federation for the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=0.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chattanooga","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elinor Angel Breman","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elinor Rosenberg Breman","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reform Judaism","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tennessee","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=0.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First visits to Atlanta and Ballyhoo","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=211.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Ballyhoo blew me away, because Chattanooga was a very small conservative town. I came to Atlanta... it was a big city back then. This was... what year would that have been? I was 14. I'm 76, so you can figure that out. Things were much different then. Here I come to this big city, Atlanta... big social life and college boys. I had never been around college boys and all that sort of thing. They wore tails to the Top Hat parties, and had all kinds of cars. They drank. I had never been around that. I saw Jewish people with Christmas trees in their house, just like the play \"The Last [Night of] Ballyhoo.\" Atlanta was exactly like that. There was a big dividing line between the Reform and the Conservative and the Orthodox Jews.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=211.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ballyhoo","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Big City","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dances","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Georgia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Herbert J. Rosenberg, Jr.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robert J. Lipshutz","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=211.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Herbie Rosenberg, World War II, and Children","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274#t=394.0,711.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29486/file/97274/index/47212/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I came to Atlanta, and we had a great time. I met my first husband, Herbert [Jerome 'Herbie'] Rosenberg [Jr.]. He was nine years older, so I met him at a Ballyhoo. I was too young. He noticed me, but [I was] a little baby from Chattanooga. I met his father [Dr. Herbert Jerome Rosenberg, Sr.] who was a doctor here. They were a very prominent Reform Jewish family. A couple of years later, after I went back to school... I was still in high school... at the age of 16, Herbie Rosenberg traveled on the road and he called me [for a date]. 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