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He was the oldest of three children born to Noah Golden and Rose Byran Golden. Ben grew up in Atlanta’s Washington-Rawson neighborhood and attended Ahavath Achim synagogue. His father was a grocer. Ben graduated from Tech High School and Georgia University of Technology, where he studied architecture and interned at the Hentz, Reid \u0026amp; Adler architectural firm. While at Georgia Tech, Ben joined the Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity and played violin in the Troubadours. \u003cbr\u003eAfter graduation, Ben worked with Hyman Bergman of Bergman Incorporated, which built the Johnson Estates neighborhood, the Progressive Club and buildings for Ahavath Achim. When World War II began, Ben went to work for Benjamin Massell. He was responsible for completing the first two federally funded USO clubhouses in the nation at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, North Carolina. After the war, Ben opened his own firm, ARCO, which designed the Jewish Home in Atlanta. Eventually, Ben closed his firm and began working for A.R. Abrams, Inc., where he was a President and CEO. \u003cbr\u003eAs an active member of Atlanta's Jewish community, Mr. Golden twice served as President of Congregation Beth Jacob, President of the Jewish National Fund, and President of the Zionist Organization of America’s Atlanta District, and President of the Hebrew Academy’s Parent Teacher Association. Ben was also a Shriner, a member of B’nai, B’rith, and served as a sergeant-at-arms at the 1932 Democratic Convention.\u003cbr\u003eIn 1938, Ben married Ruth Kaplan Golden (1914-2005). The couple had two children and enjoyed an active social life in the Atlanta Jewish community. After Ben’s retirement, they divided their time between Atlanta and Florida. Ben passed away on January 18, 2007.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eBen traces the history of the Golden and Saul families. He shares his earliest memories of his family life. Ben describes his youth in the Washington-Rawson neighborhood. He talks about his education. Ben recounts what happened when he had an appendicitis. He discusses his desire to be an architect and some of the challenges of going to college, including working to pay for tuition. Ben summarizes searching for a job during the Great Depression and finally becoming an architect. He tells of some government projects he worked on during World War II. Ben explains why he did not serve in the military. He outlines his activities after the war as he grew his business and became more active in the community. Ben shares his religious background and why he chose to attend Beth Jacob. He outlines how Beth Jacob began. Ben traces Rabbi Emanuel Feldman’s tenure in Atlanta. He remembers Atlanta’s Jewish fraternities, Jewish businesses, and Jewish organizations. Ben recollects Jewish social establishments. He narrates his engagement, marriage and honeymoon. Ben talks about his children. He considers some of the ways Atlanta’s social structure has changed. Ben recalls his involvement with various organizations in the Jewish community. He mentions family traditions during the holidays. He reviews his son’s career and marriage. He relates his feelings on retirement. Ben considers the changes in Atlanta as it has grown. He conveys the challenges of preserving family history.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBen Golden is interviewed by Ronni Cristol in Atlanta, Georgia on May 31, 1991 and June 5, 1991.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eBenjamin Meyer Golden was born in Atlanta, Georgia on July 10, 1911. He was the oldest of three children born to Noah Golden and Rose Byran Golden. Ben grew up in Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s Washington-Rawson neighborhood and attended Ahavath Achim synagogue. His father was a grocer. Ben graduated from Tech High School and Georgia University of Technology, where he studied architecture and interned at the Hentz, Reid \u0026amp; Adler architectural firm. While at Georgia Tech, Ben joined the Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity and played violin in the Troubadours.\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eAfter graduation, Ben worked with Hyman Bergman of Bergman Incorporated, which built the Johnson Estates neighborhood, the Progressive Club and buildings for Ahavath Achim. When World War II began, Ben went to work for Benjamin Massell. He was responsible for completing the first two federally funded USO clubhouses in the nation at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, North Carolina. After the war, Ben opened his own firm, ARCO, which designed the Jewish Home in Atlanta. Eventually, Ben closed his firm and began working for A.R. Abrams, Inc., where he was a President and CEO.\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eAs an active member of Atlanta's Jewish community, Mr. Golden twice served as President of Congregation Beth Jacob, President of the Jewish National Fund, and President of the Zionist Organization of America\u0026rsquo;s Atlanta District, and President of the Hebrew Academy\u0026rsquo;s Parent Teacher Association. Ben was also a Shriner, a member of B\u0026rsquo;nai, B\u0026rsquo;rith, and served as a sergeant-at-arms at the 1932 Democratic Convention.\u003cbr /\u003eIn 1938, Ben married Ruth Kaplan Golden (1914-2005). The couple had two children and enjoyed an active social life in the Atlanta Jewish community. After Ben\u0026rsquo;s retirement, they divided their time between Atlanta and Florida. Ben passed away on January 18, 2007.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eBen traces the history of the Golden and Saul families. He shares his earliest memories of his family life. Ben describes his youth in the Washington-Rawson neighborhood. He talks about his education. Ben recounts what happened when he had an appendicitis. He discusses his desire to be an architect and some of the challenges of going to college, including working to pay for tuition. Ben summarizes searching for a job during the Great Depression and finally becoming an architect. He tells of some government projects he worked on during World War II. Ben explains why he did not serve in the military. He outlines his activities after the war as he grew his business and became more active in the community. Ben shares his religious background and why he chose to attend Beth Jacob. He outlines how Beth Jacob began. Ben traces Rabbi Emanuel Feldman\u0026rsquo;s tenure in Atlanta. He remembers Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s Jewish fraternities, Jewish businesses, and Jewish organizations. Ben recollects Jewish social establishments. He narrates his engagement, marriage and honeymoon. Ben talks about his children. He considers some of the ways Atlanta\u0026rsquo;s social structure has changed. Ben recalls his involvement with various organizations in the Jewish community. He mentions family traditions during the holidays. He reviews his son\u0026rsquo;s career and marriage. He relates his feelings on retirement. Ben considers the changes in Atlanta as it has grown. He conveys the challenges of preserving family history.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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Okay, Mr. Golden, it looks like we have got lots of things to talk about. In the first place, good morning. In the first place, good morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e In the first place, good morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=21.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e In the first place, good morning. In the first place, good morning. Well, good morning to you. Thank you for letting me come to your home and interview you. Pleasure to have you. Pleasure to have you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=21.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Pleasure to have you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=26.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Pleasure to have you. Pleasure to have you. You are looking at the oral history program that we are gonna have in a few weeks, and you said that one of the people who is speaking, Dorothy Rosenblum ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=26.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, happens to be a cousin to my wife. She came down to visit fifty almost 54 years ago, and I had a blind date, and that's what I ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=34.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Had a blind date with your wife?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=43.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, and we married. We've been married now for over 53 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=45.0,50.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is wonderful. Now, where was your wife from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=50.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e My wife was from New Jersey. She was born in New York City but lived most of her life in New Jersey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=52.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, she came to visit Dorothy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=58.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, she came back .... She came to visit her aunt in Alabama at a small town called Alexander City, Alabama. It happened to be around Rosh HaShanah, Yom Kippur time and my wife's aunt thought it'd be fine for her to come to Atlanta for the holidays. Having cousins here in Atlanta, she called up Dorothy and asked would she have her as a visitor. Dorothy graciously agreed and I had a blind date with her. And I've been blind ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=59.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Blind with love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=90.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=91.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you know Dorothy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=92.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, I was in Atlanta. I knew a lot of the people at that time. She used to ... One of my fraternity brothers she used to go around with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=94.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e What was her maiden name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=104.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Saul. She was Dorothy Saul.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=105.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=107.0,108.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e My wife is in the Saul family, which is an extremely large family in town. 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They used to have a family get together every year or every two years, and they would get together. They had many as a 150 people in the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=133.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e In Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=147.0,148.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Here in Atlanta, yes. Matter of fact, they were ... I was the first ... I call myself the first interloper because I became the president of the Saul clan and I was not a direct descendant of a Saul. I became president for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=148.0,164.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And got the reunions organized and everything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=164.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, it was continuing. They had some good workers in there. Matter of fact, Dorothy Rosenblum was a terrific worker. Mildred Hershberg was a terrific worker and their parents. The family was much more closely knit than they are today. Young children had gotten away, and they've tried to have meetings to get the young ones involved. I think the last one they had was about two years ago and some of the young ones came out. I hope they're gonna continue. Continue it, right. Continue it, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=166.0,197.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Continue it, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=197.0,197.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Continue it, right. Continue it, right. Just like my wife says, I got a little jealous of the family history and I've been starting ... Your own? 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I wasn't sure. But in doing some research, I read the original minutes of the Congregation AA [Ahavath Achim], and back in 1893, his name was mentioned in the minutes that he had given 25 cents for an aliyah that he had the day before. I think the dues were something like 50 cents a month.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=202.0,238.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e This is 1893?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=238.0,239.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Eighteen ninety-three. Now, he had to have come here sometime, maybe about 1891, 1892. I don't know. I'm trying to find this out. I don't know how I can. But I was successful in going to the Atlanta Historical Society, and going through the city directories, and I found out that he was listed in there. I believe I have it directly somewhere. I think it was ... The first time I saw it was in 1894 or 95. I traced every year [in] the directory up to 1910 and I stopped. I gotta go back and complete it. 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That's why my wife said I got jealous, and I wanted to get [a family history] on my side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=280.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure. Well, you go back further than the Saul family at the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=283.0,286.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they was 1803.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=286.0,288.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e In Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=288.0,289.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they started out in Europe. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=289.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, but in terms of being in Atlanta ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=292.0,295.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. I believe ... No, there's some of her Saul family were listed in the directory and were in business here because most of the Sauls, I understand, came to Atlanta because of a couple of the Sauls who settled here. 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Then, he's listed having a grocery store. And in later years, my father evidently purchased the grocery store from my grandfather, from his father, in 1910. That's when my mother and father got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=314.0,335.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember your grandfather?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=335.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, sure. My grandfather died in 1928.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=336.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=338.0,339.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I was fortunate I had both of my grandfathers on both sides living here in Atlanta for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=339.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Was your mother from Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=345.0,346.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e My mother was born in Europe. My mother came to this country in 1906. Her father came here about a year or so before, and he was a Hebrew teacher here in Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=346.0,359.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e What was his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=359.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Doctor Byran, Abraham Byran. Matter of fact, he became a doctor a few years later. He studied here in Atlanta to be a doctor. But being a very religious man, he would not work on cadavers because Jewish people are not supposed to. That is right. That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=360.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=375.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That is right. That is right. But he got his doctorate and never practiced. He had the title. He went to some school in Atlanta. I remember some Atlanta medical school. I don't remember what the name was. I heard him tell about it and when he ... I have some letters that he wrote my mother back in 1905 or six and he was telling her where he was staying in Atlanta and how inexpensive ... It was dear to them, but today ... I think it was cost somewheres about 25 cents a meal, cost him a dollar and a half a week while he was staying. It was amazing. I have his diary when he came to the United States written in Yiddish, in very fine penmanship. He was also a Hebrew teacher in Europe. He was a photographer. He would ... He took photography pictures. He was a little of everything. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=375.0,429.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=429.0,429.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. And his Yiddish is so beautiful because now, he was also a scribe on the Torah. He could do those, too, so he had beautiful penmanship. I have a lot of his things today. But this diary ... It must be about, oh, 10 or 12 pages long. At the present time, Cantor [Isaac] Goodfriend is supposed to be interpreting it for me on a tape. I guess eventually I'll give it to the Atlanta archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=429.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Plus, you know, hopefully your children will want it because Yiddish is ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=455.0,458.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I said ... Yes, well, I don't know, but my daughter would like to have it. But I thought maybe I'll make a copy of it. 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I mean, I can make a few words, but I break my teeth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=472.0,478.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e With trying to do it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=478.0,479.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=479.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let us get back to your family a little. Your father was a grocer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=480.0,484.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=484.0,487.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When were you born? What year was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=487.0,488.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in 1911, and I'll be 80 years old in July.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=488.0,495.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When is your birthday?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=495.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e July 10th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=497.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is my husband's birthday. I can remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=498.0,500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we're the same age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=500.0,502.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Same age, right. July 10, 19 ... Eleven. Eleven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=502.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Eleven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=504.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Eleven. Eleven. Eleven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=504.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Okay, I can remember that. Okay, I can remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=505.0,506.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I can remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=506.0,506.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I can remember that. Okay, I can remember that. And I had two sisters. One was born in 1914; one was 1917. They both passed away of cancer about twenty months apart, in 1950 and 1951.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=506.0,519.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you are the only one left?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=519.0,520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I'm the only one left at that time. My mother saw all this because my mother lived to be 89 years old. My father was about 63 or 64 when he passed away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=520.0,530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you part of the Washington Street group?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=530.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, I lived on Washington Street and Pulliam Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=533.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, tell me a little bit about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=535.0,538.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, let's see ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=538.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e We will just kinda flip around from one time to another. What are your earliest memories of Washington Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=540.0,546.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, I can go before Washington Street. We're living on the corner of Richardson and Pulliam Street, which was just one block off of Washington Street. We lived in a four-story ... I mean, a four-unit apartment. One side was Gus Berman lived. Upstairs lived the Lichensteins ... We used to call him Big Ben Lich. He was the playboy of his days. My father, at that time, had a grocery store he bought from the Eisenbergs and Kunianskys on Pulliam and Ormond. But I can remember—faintly though—going back further, my father—I was a tiny baby—had his first store, the one he got from his father when he bought it, on the corner of Piedmont and Cain Street [now Andrew Young International Boulevard]. I have an envelope from his business with his letter head on it from his grocery store. Do you have pictures too? Do you have pictures too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=546.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have pictures too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=614.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have pictures too? Do you have pictures too? I don't have a picture. There were some pictures available. I mean, there were years ago. What happened to them I don't know. I remember those. But I remember that he had the grocery store and those days, there was very little refrigeration. All these meats and stuff were left on top of the counter and cheese. I can remember the cheese was covered with cheese cloth. In the summertime, the cheese would get soft. The only refrigerator ... He had a walk-in cooler, I remember, and used to put ice on top of the cooler to refrigerate. Probably every two or three days, they had to buy maybe three or 400 pounds of ice to put in the refrigerator. And the chickens ... I used to remember my mother ... They never had a scale to weigh chickens. They would pick the chicken up in their hand, and they would sort of weigh it in their hand and say, \"Well, this chicken is worth 25 cents,\" or \"This chicken is worth 30 cents,\" or whatever it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=614.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And the people would pay it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=668.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's the way they were, yes. That's the way it was until then. I'm going back. This is ... Sometimes, I say ... People [ask] how can I remember because this had to be when I was not over two, three years old. I don't know how.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=669.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Seventy-seven years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=680.0,681.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e [What]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=681.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Almost 77 years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=682.0,684.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. And I can remember that he moved his store from across the street and we lived upstairs over the store. But the first house I was born [in] there was on Piedmont Avenue, about a block and a half from the store. It's almost in the vicinity where the Marriott Hotel is now located. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=684.0,704.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=704.0,704.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. I even have my original birth certificate. At that time, I didn't know they even had birth certificates. When I made my first trip to Europe, I had to go to the vital statistics department, and I found they had one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=704.0,715.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you born in a hospital or at home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=715.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born at home, I guess. I have the doctor's name and where I was living. He had the address at the house, so I assume that I was born home. Like I said, those days I could remember. Then, before it ... I'm going back a little bit further now from that, where we were on Richardson Street, my father sold his business to one of the Zinkow brothers. The Zinkow brothers later became part of National Linen. They worked for them. And he went from there. He opened up a pawn shop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=717.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e He got out of the grocery business?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=759.0,760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e [He] got out of the business, opened up a pawn shop. I can remember 164 Decatur Street, almost directly across from the police station. The building that he had the pawn shop [in] there was owned by Mr. Colvish, who had a shoe store about three or four doors down the street from where my father had ... His pawn shop. His pawn shop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=760.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e His pawn shop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=781.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e His pawn shop. His pawn shop. His pawn shop. And just a few doors down there was one of the Dolphins who was Monk Dolphin, I think. His father had a sort of clothing store right across from the police station also. I can remember the streets. On Decatur Street there, it was paved with creosoted wood blocks, and it was over what I would have called Belgium block, it was like granite street, and they made this street a little bit smoother. But in the summertime ... The creosote would come up. The creosote would come up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=781.0,816.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The creosote would come up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=816.0,816.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The creosote would come up. The creosote would come up. After the hot weather, the street would puff up and after some heavy trucks ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=816.0,823.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Like tar almost, isn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=823.0,824.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it was like it would just bubble up from the heat, the expansion like steam got underneath it. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=824.0,830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=830.0,830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. Then after a while, cars—the few cars they had—and the trolleys would go over, it would press it down, they would have an indentation in the street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=830.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e We will go back for just a second and talk. You were telling me about the streets puffing up in the summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=840.0,845.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e With the steam coming after rains.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=845.0,847.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=847.0,848.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And after the traffic would go over it, it would burst like a bubble. And just spray? And just spray?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=848.0,855.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And just spray?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=855.0,855.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And just spray? And just spray? Well, it would fall in and then the blocks would start disintegrating and going here and yonder. In later years, they repaved the street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=855.0,863.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, were you still living over the old grocery store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=863.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, at that time we had moved to Capitol Avenue. We lived on the corner of Capitol and Rawson Street, which is about a block and a half from the old Jewish Educational Alliance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=865.0,881.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Alliance, right. I have heard a lot about the Alliance. I am sure you were a big part of that, too, growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=881.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. My father, like I said, had the pawn shop there. I remember one of the first employees he had was Mr. [Jacob] Levin, who was the father of the present dermatologist in Atlanta here, Dr. Levin or Levine. I don't know what they called his name. Harold Levin, he's still living here in Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=885.0,907.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=907.0,908.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was one of his first [employees]. Also, one of the first people who worked for him was Harry Pfeffer, who later left my father and opened his own pawn shop. And his grandson is ... I can't think of his name. He belongs to Beth Jacob. Matter of fact, he was very active, I think in the Hebrew day school, or Hebrew, or the yeshiva, somewhere. I don't know. But anyway, so I digressed. Getting back to where the ... after the streets. This was around 1915, and that's about the time that the World War One broke out. And we lived, I said, on Capitol Avenue. I can remember one evening that my father had brought home a woman who was lost on the streets to our house. She was a Jewish woman. Her name was Mrs. Sokolov. Her husband was stationed in the army at old Camp Gordon. Atlanta had the original Camp Gordon out on what is now sort of Peachtree Industrial Boulevard in that area, or Chamblee. He brought her home and my mother took her in. We kept her for several days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=908.0,993.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e She was lost?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=993.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e She was lost. She'd come to visit her husband. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=994.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=996.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. And she found her husband. He was stationed in Camp Gordon. I don't know how long she stayed with me or where they went, but I can remember for many years later that my mother used to correspond with her. They used to send pictures back and forth. Then, later on, after, she had two sons and they lived in Dorchester, Massachusetts. But she was ... I remember them telling me [about] the rainy weather they brought her, she was almost soaking wet. Oh, gosh, and he just took her in? Oh, gosh, and he just took her in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=996.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gosh, and he just took her in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1028.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gosh, and he just took her in? Oh, gosh, and he just took her in? A matter of fact, we were three children. As I said, I had two sisters. Matter of fact, I think at that time we were only two. My youngest sister, I think was born in that house on Capitol Avenue. Then from there, my father sold the pawn shop, and he went into the grocery business. Again? Again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1028.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1056.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Again? Again? Well, that's the first grocery store. I told you he had the store on Piedmont. I mean, on Pulliam and Ormond Street. Yes, he went back in after he had the pawn shop, and that's when we moved to Richardson and Pulliam. And from there, we moved behind the store on Ormond and Pulliam Street. And right across the street, lived the Eisenbergs, whom my father purchased a store. I think the store was his, and he turned around, and sold it to the Kunianskys, who was his son-in-law, and my father bought it from him. After two or three years, they bought it back from my father, and my father opened another grocery store. He bought a distressed store somewhere on Spring Street near North Avenue for a short period of time. From there, he bought a store on the corner of Hunnicutt and Williams Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1056.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I do not know where Williams Street is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1110.0,1111.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's right there where the Techwood [Homes] project is right now. I guess in a radius of about four blocks in each way, it must have been at least ten Jewish grocery stores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1111.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e In the same area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1124.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e In the same area. I can remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1126.0,1128.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How did they all make it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1128.0,1130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It's amazing. My father built onto the back of the grocery store a little four room house and that's where we all lived, behind the store. We had two bedrooms. My father and mother had a bedroom. My sisters and I, we had another bedroom. Downstairs, we had a kitchen that's sort of like a living room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1130.0,1145.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1145.0,1146.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was it. I can remember some of the merchants there. There was Morris Baum had a store there. There was ... Levine had a store there. My mother's friends from Europe ... Also, the name's just slipped my mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1146.0,1169.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a long time ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1169.0,1171.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but I was fixing to be older, because from there, my first year that we moved over there was my last year in junior high school at Hoke Smith. It was out by Grant Park. I had a long ways to go and I used to take the bus on the corner of Spring in Hunnicutt, and go to Grant Park, and walk from Grant Park over to the old Hill Street School. In those days, they just put in the double deck busses in Atlanta. You could sit up on the top, but they had no protection from the weather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1171.0,1202.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, they were open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1202.0,1203.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They were open on the top. From there, after I graduated from Hoke Smith High School, I went to Tech High School, which later became Grady High School. Then, Boys' High was on one side. But I can remember all the schools I went to. The first school I went to was Crew Street School. I can remember my second-grade teacher's name, Mrs. Richardson. Why, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1203.0,1231.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e She made a good impression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1231.0,1233.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. And ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1233.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me a little. When you when you were going to high school, was it Boys' High, Commercial High, and Tech High?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1236.0,1242.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's all the three high schools they had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1242.0,1244.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e In the whole city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1244.0,1245.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Well, Tech High School was originally on Marietta Street, just a short distance below Spring Street. Matter of fact, just a couple of weeks ago, I attended my 63rd reunion and what they did, they didn't have special reunion, they had all the entire Tech High Schools at one time, all the classes, and they went back ... I think the oldest one was there was from 1920, I think was there. And the last graduating class they had was 1947, I think. That's when they consolidated the schools, Tech High School. Matter of fact, I graduated from Tech High School in two and a half years and the reason for that—I keep telling my children that—they used to have eleven grades in Atlanta. There used to be seven grades in grammar school and four years of high school. Then, they changed to six years—three years junior high and three years in senior high. I, to myself, became angry. I said I lost a year of my life because I was gonna get out at a certain age from school. So, as I said, I went to Tech High, and I graduated two and a half years. I left there in January of 1929 and entered Georgia Tech in midterm. I studied to be an architect. And that summer, I had an attack of appendicitis. Didn't know what it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1245.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The summer of your first year in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1350.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The first year, that's right, in 1929. I can remember getting up in the morning, having a terrific pain in my left side. My father ... They called the doctor that has house calls in those days. Doctor Kopoloff was the doctor at that time. [He] came to visit me behind the store, where we lived on Hunnicutt and Williams, and he couldn't ... He said—I had a terrible pain—he didn't know what it was. He said, \"I'll be back in the afternoon.\" Late in the afternoon, he came back, and the pain had traveled from the left side to the right side. When he came out from the exam he says, \"I'm not sure.\" [He] said, \"I think we ought to call in a surgeon, a specialist.\" So, they called in a doctor ... Gee, I had his name on the tip of my tongue, and I just lost it. I'll think of it in a few minutes. His office was on Peachtree Street, and he came out to the house, and examined me, and I began to feel good. Later on, I'll tell you why I felt good. He told my father and them, he said, \"Well, I think we ought to take him to the hospital and operate on him.\" My father said, \"Well, can we wait until the morning?\" He said, \"Well, I'll tell you, if he was my son, I'd take him tonight.\" So, they took me to the old Crawford W. Long hospital, which ... Well, it was actually the Davis-Fisher Hospital that time, which came to Crawford W. Long. It's the same location there, right off of Peachtree. I can remember they couldn't get an operating room. They were busy or something like that. And it was later in the evening that I was operated on. The reason I felt good ... It had burst? It had burst?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1351.0,1451.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It had burst?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1451.0,1451.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It had burst? It had burst? My appendix had bursted. I remember I stayed 21 days in the hospital. I had three tubes draining me. I can remember that Father asked me how I'm doing after the operation, and the doctor made the statement, he says, \"Well, he's a young boy. That's in his advantage.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1451.0,1475.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You could have had poison going all through your body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1475.0,1479.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Well, matter of fact, I guess I did have puss through my system till I got married. I mean, it never did clear up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1479.0,1489.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is interesting. Today, you are in and out of hospital in two days for something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1489.0,1492.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Matter of fact, they wouldn't let me walk or get out of the bed, I think, for at least ten days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1492.0,1498.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, that kinda disrupted your studies for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1498.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I started to tell you about that. I couldn't take ROTC at Georgia Tech, so the following summer, I went to summer school to do some classes. I graduated Tech in three and a half years. So, I got out of school. At that time, the architectural class was only a four-year course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1501.0,1520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now it is five?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1520.0,1521.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Now it's five years. So, then, I got out of college at the time I said I wanted to be out of school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1521.0,1527.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, it all worked out in the long run.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1527.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I used to play the violin. I used to play in the orchestra. I played in the orchestra in high school, and I played solos at concerts at the school. Same thing at Georgia Tech. They had the minstrels and things like that. We had our director, was a fellow that used to be at the Metropolitan Theatre here in Atlanta. He was director then. He became a very famous director here. I think, later on, he even conducted [at]the Fox Theatre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When you were at Tech, that was in the 1920s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1560.0,1564.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e What, high school or ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1564.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean Georgia Tech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1565.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was [graduated from high school] in 1929. I graduated [from college] in 1932.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1566.0,1568.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Was there a big Jewish population there at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1568.0,1572.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. There was a few? There was a few?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1572.0,1573.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a few?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1573.0,1573.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a few? There was a few? I just recently I found the invitation. I have my invitation. There was only one other Jewish boy in my class in architecture, and it was Randolph Commins. Strange thing, a few years later, he was in business with a fellow called Hymie Bergman. They were building houses, and I went to work for them. Randy never followed the architecture. He married ... His father-in-law was in the furniture business. He stayed in the furniture business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1573.0,1600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, you lived at home while you were going to Tech?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1600.0,1602.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, I lived on Hunnicutt and Williams, walking distance. I was only about, I guess, less than a mile from the school. I used to walk every morning back and forth to school. Some of our classes at school, we would work till two, three o'clock in the morning. This was in a colored neighborhood. I would walk through the neighborhood at that time. Would not think about it. Would not think about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1602.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Would not think about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1621.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Would not think about it. Would not think about it. And never think the first thing. If I should happen to run across some colored person walking there, they'd probably say, \"Hi, Mr. Benny,\" and I would probably know who they were. It was just as calm as I'm sitting here right now. I remember one time walking through there. It was snowing, the snow was crunching. You could hear it. I ran across somebody that I knew, and this had to be about two or three o'clock in the morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1621.0,1645.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I have interviewed two or three people who went to Emory [University] right around that time and they felt like that there was a lot of antisemitism. There were quotas, and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1645.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, see, they were in the medical school, and dentists, and that. There were quotas at Emory. We never had ... There were never too many Jewish boys that went into engineering. Matter of fact, I don't ... I could think, there was only three or four architects that were Jewish architects in that time in Atlanta. One of the biggest firms in Atlanta was Hentz, Reid and Adler. [Rudolph] Adler was Jewish. Later, [it] became Hentz, Reid and Schutze. Then, Phil Schutze took over. [He] was one of the most prominent classical architects in the United States. I worked there one summer in their office to get credits to enjoy. That's how I got some of my credits in the summer, working in their office. That helped me get through in three and a half years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1653.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you pick architecture? Was it just something you were interested in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1701.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It's strange. I don't know. There was no architect in our family. There was one fella. His wife was a playmate of my mother in Europe, Mrs. Lewenstein. He was in the electrical business and later started building houses, and I guess he was sort of my idol at that time. He started building apartments and things like that. I just followed architecture. I haven't the slightest idea. Usually, you say somebody ... I know my father would like for me to have been a doctor, or a lawyer, or something like that, like most Jewish parents, see. But even when I was in Tech High School, that's the reason I went there, because I could take drawing, because it was supposed to help me out later on in going through college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1705.0,1748.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I was gonna ask you. How was it determined who went to Boys High, who went to Commercial, who went to Tech?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1748.0,1753.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn't. Commercial High School was strictly more commercial business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1753.0,1757.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Business, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1757.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Tech High School was strictly a technical school. They had woodworking shops, and metal shops, and drafting, and things like that. And Boys' High School was more academic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1759.0,1768.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e But you had your choice of which one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1768.0,1769.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I could have gone ... At that time, you were not allocated to go. We only had the three high schools at the time and, regardless of where you lived in Atlanta, you had to go to that school, because I remember that the first Boys' High School was right across from City Auditorium. It had burnt down and they built another Boys'. Then, Girls' High School, they built their school somewheres out not too far from Grant Park, over there in later years. And Commercial High School stayed there on Pryor Street. When they made the junior high schools, the first year, I went to junior high school was a big warehouse on Garnett Street. The second year, they moved over to behind the Commercial High School. They took part of their unit. They built barracks in the back, so to speak. The third year, it was the old Hill Street School. They made Hoke Smith over there, and later on, they made several junior high schools. Like, they had Bass, and O'Keefe, and Brown, and so forth. But you had to go later on into the vicinity that you lived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1769.0,1829.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, the neighborhood school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1829.0,1831.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, so to speak, I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1831.0,1832.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1832.0,1833.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, when we lived on Hunnicutt and Williams, my sisters went to junior high school. It was the O'Keefe High School, and that is right now ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1833.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Part of the Georgia Tech campus, isn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1840.0,1841.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. It's right next to the basketball dome. So, that's where they went, but we weren't too far from where we lived at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1841.0,1851.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Did you help while you were going to school? Did you help your father out in the grocery store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1851.0,1854.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Matter of fact, we were right in the Depression days. Matter of fact, the tuition I think in Georgia Tech was something like 90 dollars a semester, maybe 180 dollars a year. In order to work my way through school, during the football season, I would sell peanuts and Coca-Cola's in the stadium. Then, I got promoted and I had a little stand out in the little corridor so I would sell it. I didn't have to go hawking in the movement of the stadium. On Saturdays, I remember after the football games, I had a cousin who my father had brought over from Europe. Matter of fact, I'm just writing some relatives I found out I had that was his. He had a store on Forrest Avenue [now Ralph McGill Boulevard], and every Saturday after the football games, I would go to his store. There wasn't that much business in my father's store. My mother was in the store with him, and my sister was there, so that's all they needed. I would help him on Saturdays, and I think he paid me about three dollars just working on Saturday. Just one day. Just one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1854.0,1911.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Just one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1911.0,1911.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Just one day. Just one day. A matter of fact, I was working on commission at Georgia Tech and selling peanuts. I used to make two or three dollars in commission. So, I guess the four, or five dollars, or six dollars I made was helping me go through school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1911.0,1922.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Most of your friends went to college, or no?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1922.0,1926.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my close friends did not go to college. Because ... Because ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1926.0,1928.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Because ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1928.0,1928.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Because ... Because ... They all went into business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1928.0,1929.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, at that time it was not real common ... That's right. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1929.0,1932.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1932.0,1932.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. That's right. ... to have a college degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1932.0,1933.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The boys that went to college were those who wanted to become doctors, or lawyers, or dentists, like my friends. The rest of them went out into the business world, started selling insurance, or working in clothing stores, or something like [that], went into the shoe business, selling shoes, or something like that. Because, even when I was going to school, sometimes I would even sell shoes down on Whitehall Street. I worked for Butlers, and Bakers, and even worked for Sol Yudelson. He had a store there. When I graduated in 1932, it was terrible as far as getting work is concerned. The Democratic Convention was in Chicago [Illinois] in 1932 and that was the year that [Franklin Delano] Roosevelt was nominated. I was going to Chicago to see if I could find a job working for an architect because I had heard the only architectural firm really at that time that was doing any work was called Holabird and Root, a very large ... National firm. National firm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1933.0,1993.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e National firm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1993.0,1993.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e National firm. National firm. Oh, yes, almost international. International. International.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1993.0,1996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e International.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1996.0,1996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e International. International. They were doing some government work, and I thought, \"Well, I'll go up there and see if I can get a job.\" My father had a cousin that lived in Chicago, so I was able to stay with him. But, when I was going up there, I remember writing the Atlanta Journal. The editor and the owner was Major John S. Cohen. He was not Jewish, but I believe his previous ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=1996.0,2016.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Must have been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2016.0,2017.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That must have been Jewish. I have his letter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2017.0,2020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, this is the paper in ... Journal here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2020.0,2022.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It's the Atlanta Journal here in Atlanta. I had written him asking ... I told him I was going to be in Chicago, and I'd like to attend the Democratic Convention, and it would be possible that I could be a reporter, and report back to the Journal here. He wrote me back a letter and he says, \"I'm sorry we don't ... But I will try to get you as an alternate delegate to the convention.\" I was already leaving for Chicago, and he said he would have the information up to me at the convention hall. Sure enough, when I got to Chicago, I went by this convention hall. He had sent up there. They had too many alternate delegates, so they made me a sergeant-at-arms. So, I had ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2022.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e For the Georgia delegation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2067.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Well, the sergeant-at-arms, I was for ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2068.0,2071.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e For the whole ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2071.0,2072.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole thing. I have a rotogravure picture that was taken of the convention. It so happens, where the camera was standing, I'm in the picture. You can see me. But you were in the distance, you can't see anybody hardly. After Roosevelt ... I was there the night that that Al Smith walked out of the convention hall because they wouldn't elect him because he being Catholic. [Yes]. [Yes].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2072.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e [Yes].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2096.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e [Yes]. [Yes]. They felt he would not do the part. I was there. After Roosevelt was nominated, I walked over. I guess I was within ten or 15 feet behind him off the platform. He was there. I guess in those days, I took chances and risks because I wouldn't do that today. You're a kid, you don't think about these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2096.0,2112.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. What have you got to lose?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2112.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. And I remember meeting John J. Raskob—he was one of the fellas who was one of the original owners of the Empire State Building—and other names I can't remember. On my pass card, I remember on the back, Will Rogers autographed the pass card for me. I have that now somewhere. I said how you just don't think of things ... When I went to see for the job, it so happens they had nothing for me. They had architects who were coming out of their ears looking for jobs. I had no experience. I just couldn't do it. So, I stayed with this cousin, and I had a reporter's pass that had expired. Someone in Atlanta gave it to me and they said, \"You can use this pass. You can go to the baseball games and everything as a reporter.\" I will never forget. I went to see the Chicago Cubs and I used this pass. It was already expired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2113.0,2170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e They didn't check it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2170.0,2172.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. I got in. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2172.0,2174.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2174.0,2174.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. To see the game, never cost me anything. Anyway, once again, I'd be reluctant to do a thing like that. But in those days, what are they going to do? Take the pass away from me? That is right. That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2174.0,2182.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2182.0,2182.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That is right. That is right. And I used it. I don't know who gave me that pass, and they told me, \"Go ahead and use it,\" see?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2182.0,2186.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How long did you stay in Chicago?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2186.0,2187.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I stayed in Chicago with this cousin about six weeks because I was looking elsewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2187.0,2196.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Is this the first time you had ever left Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2196.0,2198.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, on my own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2198.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2200.0,2201.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I never ... I think I went up on the train to Cincinnati [Ohio]. I had to change trains in Cincinnati, I think, to go to Chicago when I first went up there. But this cousin of mine met me at the railroad station and he took me to his home. Then, I came back to Atlanta, where there was nothing to do. I stopped off at Johnson City, Tennessee on the way back. My mother's sister lived there. There was an architect there, an elderly fellow, nothing doing there, but he had ... There was a fire at the Elizabethton City Hall. It had burnt down, and he was trying to get the architecture work to replace it. This was in 1932, the latter part of 1932. They didn't have enough money to build it. I was staying with this architect, and I used this office. I was working. I was doing a little sign painting for one of the theaters up there that was owned by a Jewish fellow. So, little posters and signs. He'd probably give me a couple of dollars, so I stayed there for a little while. Then, I came back to Atlanta, and I started selling shoes again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2201.0,2266.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Started selling shoes again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2266.0,2267.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Well, there was nothing else to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2267.0,2268.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Here you are with a college degree. You cannot find a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2268.0,2272.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. My father didn't need me in the store. I was making about 18 dollars, 20 dollars a week selling shoes. Then, from there, I went to Chattanooga [Tennessee]. There was an architectural firm there called Crutchfield and Crutchfield, and they needed a draftsman. So, I went there and I worked up at ... I guess one reason I went up there [was that] there was a girl I was going with in Atlanta. She transferred up there. Because of her. Because of her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2272.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Because of her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2299.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Because of her. Because of her. So, I wanted to be close to her. I worked for there, I guess, for maybe a month or six weeks. I was making blueprints. In those days, we used to make it on the roof with sunlight. We'd put the prints on a piece of glass and develop the prints under sunlight. Today, they have all these machines. That was an old crude way of making blueprints in those days. Then, I came back to Atlanta, as I said, to start selling shoes. A friend of mine here was a photographer, Joe Benamy. He said to me, he said, \"Ben, I have a friend who's in the building business. I think he needs somebody to help him. You're a college graduate and all that.\" So, he introduced me to him. This was Hymie, Hyman Bergman. And he said yes. He gave me a job. I think that I started off at 18 dollars a week. But he thought, [as a] college graduate, I knew everything. I knew absolutely nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2299.0,2359.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, you realize that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2359.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, I remember going to the library for days on end and months, taking every book I can get on how to estimate and how to take off quantities. I could draw and he was building houses. I guess at that time, he probably built more houses when I was with him in Johnson Estates than any one individual builder. There came a lot later on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2360.0,2384.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, where is Johnson Estates?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2384.0,2385.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Johnson Estate's still right here on Johnson Road. Johnson Road ends into Briarcliffe Road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2385.0,2390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2390.0,2393.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right there. We were building houses around there. We were selling them for 6,750 dollars, including the lot. The lots were costing about 700, 800 dollars. All they had to have [for a loan from the] FHA [Federal Housing Authority] was ten percent down, about 650 dollars. They were difficult, even for them to get. Most of the houses we sold were for Jewish people. Those houses were three bedrooms and two baths.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2393.0,2416.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Which was a lot in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2416.0,2418.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I remember building a house for Claude Grizzard in the advertising business. It's a two-story house. It's still on Johnson Road right now. It's four bedrooms, three baths. It had a garage in the basement, so it actually was three stories high. We built the thing for 10,000 dollars. Later on, he sold that house to Jack Pachenko. I don't know. Jack must have paid 25,000 dollars. I don't know. And Jack Pachenko turned around and sold the house to Saul Schacter. Saul Schacter, I don't know how much he paid for the house. And matter of fact, his daughter lives just a couple of doors from me right now. He died in an automobile accident.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2418.0,2459.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you design the houses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2459.0,2461.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. When I was with Bergman, I designed the houses at that time. We built it. I designed and we built them. You built them. And how long were you there? You built them. And how long were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2461.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You built them. And how long were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2466.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You built them. And how long were you there? You built them. And how long were you there? When I got married, though, I think I was making ... He gave me a raise. I think I got 20 dollars a week. We got married in 1938.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2466.0,2477.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you stayed with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2477.0,2478.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I stayed with him until the [Second World] War came on. Is your tape over now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2478.0,2485.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I am keeping an eye on it. I think we have got another two or three minutes. We will just flip it over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2485.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you better flip though because that story may take a little longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2488.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, this is side two of the oral history interview with Ben Golden on May 31, 1991, for the Jewish Oral History Project of Atlanta, cosponsored by American Jewish Committee, Atlanta Jewish Federation, and National Council of Jewish Women. We were talking on the other side about your working up until the war came with Hyman Bergman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2490.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2522.0,2523.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Then, around in the 1940s, when the war came ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2523.0,2525.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. When the war came along, work began to slow up and Bergman ... Ben Massell, who was the builder of Atlanta, had an architect. It was Mr. [Emil] Seiz. He passed away, and Ben asked me to come to work for him, doing the architecture work. And I did. I stayed with Ben, oh, maybe a year or so, maybe a little bit longer. Mr. Bergman's work just stopped altogether because the war had already started in Europe. America was not in the war at that time yet. He got together with three other people: Al Abrams from A.R. Abrams Construction Company—he's now deceased, but Al Abrams of Atlanta; Hyman Bergman; Al Elias of New York—was a big architect ... matter of fact, he did that Bond store on 42nd Street with that great big sign on the outside and he did a world of work for the national chains—and a fellow called Jesse Secoles. Those four got together and they were gonna do government work. The thing was coming up at that time. They had to build a bunch of USO [United Service Organizations] buildings in the various army camps or the towns near army camps. They got, I don't know, six or eight of them at one time. Mr. Bergman came to me and wanted to know if I could come with him. I said, \"No, I'm working.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2525.0,2627.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You had already left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2627.0,2628.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I was getting more salary then, too. He said, \"Well, we just need you to get this job.\" I said, \"Well, I'll ask Mr. Massel if I can just get a leave of absence,\" because things was quieting down with him also. So, I said for about six months, a leave of absence. He said it was okay. He agreed to it and then, I became in charge of two USO buildings in Fayetteville, North Carolina—one for the white and one for the colored. One was on one side of town; one was on the other side of town. And they had other people. They had worked in Louisiana and Camp Polk, and they had work in Tullahoma, Tennessee, and they were doing work in Hinesville, Georgia. So, they had quite a number. So, I was running those two up there in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. 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They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. 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I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... Did you move your family there or did they stay here? No, my family stayed here. I would commute. I'd maybe stay up there for a week and come back, and maybe go back three or four days later, or something every two weeks or something like that. It got to the point ... This is interesting. They wanted to know which was going to be the first USO building completed. The black or white? In the United States. Oh. There was a contractor in California that was building one. Looked like the two that I was handling could be in the running. They asked if we could have ours finished at the same time. So, we were racing. It so happened, were having some difficulty get some material. Right. Because the war effort was taking some stuff away. I’ll never forget. We needed a boiler for one of the buildings and it had to come at that time by rail. We needed it awfully bad. I never will forget the captain of the Corps of Engineers up there whom I had worked with [was] a fella named Captain Buckner. I told him my problem. He says, “Ben, we’re gonna get that boiler down here. We’re gonna be the first one to open up.” The railroad said, “I’m sorry we cannot stop in Fayetteville to leave this off.\" The captain said, \"“You’re gonna stop if I have to put a tank on the track.” I’ll never forget that word, “if I have to put a tank.” And sure enough, they came and took the boiler off, and we got it in our building, and it so happened, we were ... The first? The first USO building completed in the United States. What it was, President Roosevelt was sending down a big delegation for the big ceremony dedicating the first one in the United States. They had all the people from the War Department, a lot of generals down here, and they had the newspapers, and all that. And we all came up from Atlanta. All the four partners came up. I never will forget. My son was about two years old at that time. My wife came up. She came by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. They sent a government car down to Charlotte to pick her up. So, your whole family got to come to the ceremony? That's right. They sent a car up with a chauffeur to pick her up in Charlotte. My wife had carried a maid along at that time. And we had a big dedication. Life magazine was down there taking photographs. This was right after Thanksgiving of 1941. And I’ll never forget the following Sunday. The family had all gone back to Atlanta. Everybody had one back [after] the dedication. I was in the theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina and they interrupted the picture, said, “All army personnel, report back to the barracks immediately.” Nobody knew what was going on. Later, come to find out. That was December 7. Pearl Harbor Day. I can remember going out and seeing trucks that were going helter skelter, with soldiers going everywhere. I don’t know whether I had heard later on or ... They were going to the various water plants and electrical works in case of any sabotage or something like that was going to happen because of Pearl Harbor and all the bombings over there. So, Life magazine took off all this big splash. To put the war ... To put the war on, so that never did make the media. After this here, we finished these things here. Then, the war started out real good. Then, later on, we started getting some other government work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2886.0,2903.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have a deferment because of your ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2903.0,2905.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to tell you about that. I was offered a captaincy to go into the service. But I'll never forget there was a Colonel York here. We started doing a lot of camp work. The biggest job we had was up in Cape Fear in Wilmington, North Carolina. He was telling me, he said, \"Ben.\" He said, \"What you're doing for the war effort now, it'd be more important that you stayed doing this as civilian work than being in uniform.\" So, I followed his advice. We had a lot of work to do over in various places. The same four people stayed together. Matter of fact, Cape Fear, I guess it must have been 25 miles from Wilmington. And I would stay at the hotel. But once again, I would come home every two or three weeks until later on, my wife thought I was gonna be drafted, so she didn't know what she's gonna do. We were having a lot of different ... We were working on the little island off of Cape Fear and we they were using it as anti-aircraft target range. And every time they would shoot those big guns, the whole little island would vibrate. We were building a water tank there for the island. They were pouring it out of concrete. We had more trouble every time they shoot. We were building barracks over there, too. The windows would rattle. We were told we had to keep the windows open. Otherwise, the windows are gonna break. I remember a couple of times up there during the working, we could look out into the Atlantic Ocean, and you could see a ship was on fire. You know, the German subs came awful close to the United States coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=2905.0,3010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember hearing that, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3010.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And we could see they were sinking these here ships over there. I remember one day, we were coming there, that a porpoise had pushed up a body up on shore. Don't know where it came from, whether from one of these ships or what not. We finally finished the job, but it was terrible. I never saw some of the mosquitoes in our line. We were running a water line about six miles down from the main camp to bring fresh water down there. The mosquitoes were horrendous. We had to take the trucks, and then back it up—the trucks—and let the exhaust from the trucks ... Kill them? Kill them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3012.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Kill them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3048.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Kill them? Kill them? ... try to dissipate those mosquitoes. The men would get sort of nauseous because all the carbon monoxide gas were what they were actually breathing. We finally finished up the job, but it was really rough working down there. And our materials had to come from down Wilmington, there was us. In those days, they had a certain type of priorities who would get ... The navy had number one priority; the army had second. We had difficulty getting materials. We had tough schedules. Oh, I'll never forget the trouble there. I was working 20 hours a day. I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I didn't get any help. I finally complained, \"I need help,\" and I finally got somebody to come to help me while I was up there. All this time, my wife was back in Atlanta, doing her thing here. Did you have ... Did you have ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3048.0,3092.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3092.0,3092.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have ... Did you have ... And then, for a while, she went to her mother's and father's in New Jersey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3092.0,3096.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Were your children born then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3096.0,3098.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, my son was. Only had one. My daughter was born in 1949, but my wife did not go home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3098.0,3106.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, it was hard for her too. It was not easy for anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3106.0,3108.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. So, that went on for a long time. I finally got the help, and we came back. I had finished the job, and the war was going on. I still had not been called up again. We were doing a job in Aniston, Alabama. They were making 90-millimeter anti-aircraft shells, and they were using oil in making the casings. All the oil they were spilling into the Chattahoochee River. So, even though, they got a little ecological and they started wanting to reclaim the oil. So, we were building things to reclaim the oil. During the course of us building down this here, I got greetings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3108.0,3157.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e After you thought you had the deferment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3157.0,3159.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I got greetings. I don't know if they gave me 30 days. I forgot what it was [until] I had to report. I did go to Fort McPherson, and took a physical, everything else, and all this. They had no one in the office that knew anything about this job but me. So, they suggested I apply to the Selective Service Board and ask for a 90-day extended deferment till I could finish up the job with all the paperwork and leave everything. I was turned down by the Selective Service Board. Well, I thought, \"Come on.\" My wife was preparing to go home to live with the kids and all that during that time. In the meantime, a friend of mine, who knew someone on the selective board, he says, \"Ben, I think you have a valid reason.\" He says, \"Let's have a meeting with this gentleman.\" So, we did. I had a meeting with him. And sure enough, he says, \"Your reason is valid. I will grant you the 90 days extension.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3159.0,3219.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e This was somebody different from the one you saw the first time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3219.0,3220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he was on the original board, but I don't know if he was there at the meeting when I was turned down. I don't know that, but he was probably a higher up in the board. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3220.0,3228.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3228.0,3228.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. So, I got the 90 days, and it so happens, in the 90 days, the war was over. But I thought to myself, \"Here I am. I'd probably have been a full colonel if I'd gone as a captain.\" By then, I'm going in as a buck private [the lowest enlisted rank]. And they started giving, in those days, points. So many points, the most points you got out first from the army. Those that came in later had to serve a longer time. Well, here I'm going in last. I was probably the very last one. I'd probably serve two or three years before I was getting out. But it just worked out the war was over, so I never had to go. So, I get the war. I was doing a lot of work for the government during the entire war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3228.0,3266.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever go back to Ben Massell?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3266.0,3268.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3268.0,3269.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No. So, you stayed with these other people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3269.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, when the war was over, they broke up, and Hyman Bergman asked me to go back with him. One of the other boys, who was an architect and worked with us also together, he asked us together. He gave each one of us 20 percent of the business and he kept the 60 percent. And we opened up a place on 33 West Peachtree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3270.0,3295.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was it called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3295.0,3297.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Called Bergman Incorporated. We were there, I guess, oh, about two months, and Hymie Bergman had a heart attack and died. So, Charlie Molton and I continued on the business. Then his widow, Mollie Bergman, wanted to come into the business. We didn't want her in the business. It so happens we were in the building by the friend who had introduced me to Mr. Bergman originally. He was a very close friend of Mrs. Bergman. We built his home for him, and he conceded. \"Ben,\" he said, \"you ought to buy Mollie out.\" Her share. Her share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3297.0,3342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Her share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3342.0,3342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Her share. Her share. So, he acted as a sort of an arbitrator. She wanted goodwill and I said we weren't gonna have goodwill. We weren't going to use the name. I was gonna change the name altogether. We didn't want the name Bergman. So, anyway after some time, I think we did give her some good. I don't remember the detail I think we did give us some goodwill. So, we bought Mollie out and we changed the name of the company. I came up with a name, ARCO, A-R-C-O. People said, \"How'd you get the name?\" \"Well,\" I said, \"ARCO is architects, two letters in ARCO. C-O is contractor.\" We had architectural contractors, so I had ARCO Company. So, I got the name of ARCO Company. And we stayed there for about two, three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3342.0,3387.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just the two of you? I mean, the two partners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3387.0,3389.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the two partners. Then, we bought a piece of property on Edgewood, right above Boulevard, and we built the building there for our shop and everything. Then, we went in ... We had a fixture manufacturing plant also in our construction work. This Charlie Molton and I, we went into that business over there. We stayed there together, I guess, for about five, six years. He married a debutante from the Candler family. I think they looked down on him. He was from Macon, Georgia. He wasn't quite up to their par or something like that. He was a good draftsman, good everything else, but he became an alcoholic. It got to the point where I couldn't take it. I said, \"Either buy or sell.\" Now, our respective wives owned the building. We were paying them rent. So, it came to the point where I bought him out and we were paying his wife a portion of the rent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3389.0,3456.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3456.0,3458.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Later on, he became such an alcoholic that he had a little pond in the back of his house, and one morning, they found him drowned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3458.0,3466.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, how sad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3466.0,3468.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e His wife wanted ... came out of the clear blue sky, she wanted us to buy the building out. Well, I didn't have the money, so I had to go borrow money. I bought the building out from her. So, then I ran the business myself until about 1953, I guess it was. I was probably ... Myself, I was putting in probably 18 to 10 hours. I never ate with my children at home in the evening, very rarely. I never saw them. I was doing pretty good, but it got to the point where I was ... That was not really living. That was not really living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3468.0,3505.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That was not really living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3505.0,3505.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was not really living. That was not really living. I was getting exhausted. Al Abrams, who was with this group during the war, approached me, and wanted me to go to work for him. I said, \"No.\" My wife said, \"No, I don't want you to go to work for him anymore. I want you to be in business for yourself. I don't want that.\" So, I stayed there. Sol Golden, the attorney, who happens to be a relative of my wife and no relation to me because his mother was related to the Saul family ... He approached me and he said to me that, \"Al would like for you to go.\" The fella who was with Al then had left him. He wanted me to come there. He would start up a separate company, A.R. Abrams, Inc. of Atlanta. Al would be president of the company, and I would have an interest in it. And we made a deal he would buy out what I had, and I would finish up with the work I had done. We made the deal, and I went to work for him. Well, it probably took six months. I was doing my other work. I also had an off branch besides the work I was doing, what we call cement enamel, some wall preparation work. I had two monks—they had been monks; they left the monastery—running the work for me. One of them became woman conscious and he got married. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3505.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3601.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3601.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3601.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. No more monk. No more monk. He wasn't monking around anymore. Right. So, I had some work I was finishing up in Knoxville, Tennessee. I was doing the Rich's store in Knoxville. Al Abrams let me complete all of that. Then, after him, I became president over there and I stayed with them until I retired.  As we came along, we grew bigger and bigger over there and we got rid of the A.R. Abrams, Inc. of Atlanta. Then, I eventually became president of Abrams Industries, Inc., the parent company, then also finally, chairman of the board when I retired. When you get to these, next, there's no other place to go but out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3601.0,3620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, now, were you slowing down a little bit, I hope, at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3620.0,3622.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I wasn't slowing down. In all this, during this interim is when I became active in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3622.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. You could not really do that when you had your own business as much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3630.0,3632.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's right. I didn't have the time. I believe in ... I think it's in 1953, right before I went for Abrams, my daughter was the third class of the Hebrew Academy. I became president of the PTA [Parent Teacher Association] somewhere around 1952 or ... I don't remember the exact day, but I didn't go up any higher. But they needed a PTA president, so I became president for one year for the PTA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3632.0,3668.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you did not actually help found the Hebrew Academy, but you came in ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3668.0,3671.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I came in, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3671.0,3672.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e ... pretty early on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3672.0,3673.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I came in ... I think my daughter was in the third graduating class. Then, I stayed president for one year for the PTA. They needed somebody so I volunteered. And then, I think it was in 1957 or 56 that I became president of the ZOA [Zionist Organization of America's Atlanta District] in Atlanta because of Sol Benamy, who was what we called Mr. ZOA, approached me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3673.0,3701.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let me ask you something. Back up just a little bit. Did you come from a religious family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3701.0,3706.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I was Orthodox. You were? You were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3706.0,3707.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3707.0,3707.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You were? You were? My grandfather was very Orthodox. My mother, father, both of my grandparents were very Orthodox.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3707.0,3714.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you always had a real strong Jewish background in your home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3714.0,3719.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Even today, I am with Beth Jacob. I belong to Beth Jacob and also to AA, but I've been more active in Beth Jacob.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3719.0,3724.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is a long walk to Beth Jacob.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3724.0,3726.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, later on, I didn't walk anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3726.0,3731.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3731.0,3732.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e But we used to walk. Well, we lived on Boulevard, and we lived on Hunnicutt, so we used to walk always to Washington Street to go to AA synagogue when I was young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3732.0,3740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, when AA started it was Orthodox, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3740.0,3743.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Matter of fact, it was Orthodox even when they were on Washington Street. Oh, I guess they probably went back sometime in the 1930s, they became Conservative. Late 1930s, I guess, they became Conservative, because I remember when Rabbi [Henry] Epstein came here in 1928, that one of the very first funerals he conducted was my grandfather's. My grandfather passed away in 1928.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3743.0,3770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Was he the one that taught Hebrew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3770.0,3772.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this is Rabbi Epstein, who's still here from AA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3772.0,3775.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean your grandfather. You said one of them taught Hebrew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3775.0,3777.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e This is not ... No, this is my father's father. Oh. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3777.0,3779.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3779.0,3779.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. Oh. He left. My mother's father taught the Hebrew. He left Atlanta. Oh, I'll tell you a story about him. He was ... He never made a living really with it. He was always going place to place. He was a terrific book learner. He'd read till two or three o'clock in the morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3779.0,3792.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e But you cannot make a living that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3792.0,3793.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e But anyway, I said one of the first ... My father's father, Jay Golden, he used to be collector for the Hebrew school, Talmud Torah [a religious school for elementary age children], right here in Atlanta for AA. That was part of his work in later years. And he was acting shamash [Hebrew: synagogue lay leader] at the shul [Yiddish: synagogue] when Mr. Solomon died, when they were Washington Street until they got Mr. [Philip] Clein. Matter of fact, Sidney Clein, who just died last week, that was his father. So, he was acting shamash for a short period of time until they got there. And my grandmother, for years, made the wine for the synagogue until almost just a few years before she passed away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3793.0,3834.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my gosh. In her backyard? Where did she make the wine?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3834.0,3836.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we used to make it on the back porch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3836.0,3838.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3838.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. So, I mean, we came from a very religious background. As I said, we sent my daughter and my son. At one time, the Rabbi [Emanuel] Feldman thought maybe he wanted to make a rabbi out of my son at one time. He came to Atlanta when my son was just being bar mitzvahed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3840.0,3857.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you get real involved in Beth Jacob?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3857.0,3861.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I got involved in Beth Jacob in 1945. My father was beginning to become sick. He had cancer. I just recently had taken him to Mayo clinic to find out what they could do for him, went up on a hospital train. I won't forget that. We stayed at the ... I'll never forgot. I got a bill. I just looked now. I think we paid three and a half dollars a day for the hotel bill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3861.0,3888.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e While he was in the hospital?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3888.0,3891.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e While he was in the hospital. When we got up there, they said that there's nothing they could do for him, we'd be fortunate to take him back home. So, he passed away. We went on the funeral. We came back from the funeral, and we heard that President Roosevelt died on the [12th of April 1945]. So, when my father passed away, I got ... I went to synagogue every morning and every afternoon. I used to go over to the AA on Washington Street. Well, my place of business was on Edgewood Avenue. At that time, we lived on Stillwood Drive. So, I used to go over there every morning and sometimes we had a little difficulty getting a minyan. Well, Beth Jacob had the building directly across the street from where my mother lived. My mother lived at 547 Boulevard. I think the number was 548, was the synagogue. Well, I started going to that. In the first place, it was across my mother, it was close to my office, and it wasn't too far from my home, so I was in the middle. So, every morning, I used to start to go there, and they used to have a minyan. Sometimes they would bring somebody to have it. Well, at that time, Mr. [Morris] Gavronski was president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3891.0,3970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It had just started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3970.0,3971.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. It had been around for a while? It had been around for a while?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3971.0,3972.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It had been around for a while?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3972.0,3972.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It had been around for a while? It had been around for a while? I'm writing a history of that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3972.0,3976.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Beth Jacob?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3976.0,3977.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Beth Jacob. Actually, they took the name of Beth Jacob, I think, back in 1941. But a group of people met before then, started back in 1931, meeting at their homes. I've already traced this back. I'm knowing about that far back. But anyway, Mr. Gavronski thought ... They saw I was a young guy coming in, all the other people. I can remember they were very learned people, Mr. Gold, and Mr. Werthan, and Mr. Cohen, and Mr. [Sam] Kingloff. I can remember all these people were there and they said, \"Well, gee ...\" Here, I'm going there, and this is probably around Rosh HaShanah or something like that. They needed me also. They said, \"Here, we'll make you president.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=3977.0,4019.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4019.0,4021.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, that's how I became president of Beth Jacob in 1945. I was president for almost four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4021.0,4029.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was still meeting in this small ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4029.0,4032.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e In this small ... Matter of fact, I had renovated this apartment. I took out the walls downstairs. We had the synagogue downstairs, and upstairs we took out the walls. We had sort of a little, big little auditorium, you might call it. It wasn't that large. We had a little room for the rabbi to study, and this is what we had. This is before we ever had Rabbi Feldman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4032.0,4051.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I was gonna ask you ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4051.0,4052.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The first rabbi we had here was a German fellow talking very poor English and his name was Rabbi [Yosef] Saffra. He only stayed here about a year and a half or something like that, because we couldn't understand his [German accent] \"zis\" and \"zat.\" I don't think we paid him very much because we couldn't afford to pay much. Matter of fact, I just ... When I became president, we wrote the constitution, and our dues was nine dollars a year paid semi-annually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4052.0,4084.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How many members did you have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4084.0,4086.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, we may have had 40, if we had that many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4086.0,4093.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And when did Rabbi Feldman come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4093.0,4095.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Rabbi Feldman came here in 1953, 54. Matter of fact, he was just here 37 years ... 1954.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4095.0,4107.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e He was just honored, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4107.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Just honored, yes. So, then, we were having nice services over there and then we're getting too small. Then, they bought the Jackson Heights Baptist Church on Boulevard, which is about two blocks further south toward town. I remodeled that and we made that the Beth Jacob there. It was larger than what we needed. It had a downstairs and an upstairs. We had the ... I'd already became our president because I ... Matter of fact, Ike Katz succeeded me. His father was one of the original leaders of Beth Jacob. He succeeded me there and his brother David Katz succeeded him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4110.0,4161.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did Beth Jacobs start because of some disagreements with AA or ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4161.0,4166.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not exactly. AA had a branch on Boulevard in 1937. I remember in all the years that Rabbi Epstein was at AA—and he came in 1928—I personally never heard one of his Rosh HaShanah or Yom Kippur services because I would not ride to the synagogue. In those days, they had services in this little building on Boulevard down there where I just said that ... Matter of fact, when I had aufruf, when I got married in this little building down there, Beth Jacob wasn't even in existence. People were meeting in their homes. Then later on, they got rid of this little house down there, which was part of AA. AA started that. Then, they went to the Standard Club, [which] was on Ponce de Leon, which is now the Shriner headquarters. We used to have the Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur services in the hall at the Standard Club. Then later on, they moved to 10th Street. I was with Bergman, and we built that 10th Street educational building. Then, they had all their services on 10th Street for the north siders. So, in all this time, that's the reason I never went over to AA for the service, because I never would ride.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4166.0,4258.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I never knew they were two different branches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4258.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Then, I don't know what happened because these other people ... Because AA at that time was very Orthodox also, so it wasn't considered that they broke up. But then there were a group of people that were meeting at the house. I can remember Mr. [Perry] Ginsberg, who happened to be my Hebrew, bar mitzvah teacher, was one of the founders and they used to meet at his house on Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4260.0,4284.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the founders of Beth Jacob?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4284.0,4285.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e This is the group that started, which was not Beth Jacob. [They] used to meet there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4285.0,4288.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4288.0,4289.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It was not called ... I don't ... They just didn't have a name. They were a group of people. They would meet. Then they would go to Mr. [Isaac] Melnick's house, which is Sidney Gulden's wife's [Gertrude Melnik Gulden] father-in-law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4289.0,4302.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Sidney Gulden's wife's father?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4302.0,4303.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, his father-in-law. I started to say it was ... Her father, Mr. Melnick, was a very religious man and very charitable man, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4303.0,4310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, they just met in the homes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4310.0,4311.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They met in their homes on Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur. So, I mean, this is what I was told. Then, they moved into a little grocery store right on the corner of Parkway and Andrew Avenue and that's what they used for synagogue for a while. I remember talking to some of the boys. In those days, they would go out to people's homes and bring their bridge chairs, so they could sit down to have enough for people for services.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4311.0,4338.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How did it grow? Just more and more people became ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4338.0,4341.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Because more people moved to the north side of town. See, back in about the early 1930s, when the influx of the Jewish people coming to the north side, what we called it the north side of town. They all used to be around Washington Street and Capitol Avenue, and even as far out as Atlanta Avenue, back over in there, and Pryor Street. Then, they moved to what they called the north side, going out to Boulevard toward Ponce de Leon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4341.0,4366.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Morningside?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4366.0,4367.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Morningside ... Later? Later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4367.0,4368.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4368.0,4368.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Later? Later? Later on, that's right, Morningside. That's it. Johnson Estates is in Morningside, see. That's when the influx started moving north, but this group of people that got together used to be in each one's home. As a matter of fact, the first Torah that Beth Jacob got was given by ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4368.0,4390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It will come to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4390.0,4392.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Ben Loewinsohn's grandfather. Ben Loewinsohn ... Gee, I had the name on the tip of my tongue. Anyway, it was his Torah, the first one they had at Beth Jacob.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4392.0,4408.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, the building you built for them on 10th Street was probably ... That was AA. That was AA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4408.0,4412.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was AA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4412.0,4412.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That was AA. That was AA. Oh, I am sorry. I am getting confused. That was on 10th Street. That was on 10th Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4412.0,4414.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was on 10th Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4414.0,4414.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That was on 10th Street. That was on 10th Street. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4414.0,4415.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That came later. Later. Later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4415.0,4417.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4417.0,4417.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Later. Later. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4417.0,4418.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When did Beth Jacob have a permanent building, I guess?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4418.0,4422.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm sorry. It didn't come later. It came first. The 10th Street building came first, before Beth Jacob. Because, see, that was built in the early 1930s, because I was with Bergman then when we built that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4422.0,4436.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Beth Jacob really got a strong start then in the 1940s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4436.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Beth Jacob got its strong start about 1941, 42. That's when they took out their charter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4440.0,4447.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is when you were most involved?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4447.0,4449.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Then, I came in 1945, when my father passed away. Passed away, right. Passed away, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4449.0,4453.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Passed away, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4453.0,4453.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Passed away, right. Passed away, right. That's when I became active. I never did give up my membership in AA, see, because my grandfather was back there in the early 1890s. My grandchildren are the fifth generation ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4453.0,4465.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And you could not give it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4465.0,4466.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e ... of AA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4466.0,4467.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e AA, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4467.0,4468.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, we go back a long time, as far as that's concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4468.0,4474.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you on the committee to get a new rabbi when Rabbi Feldman came?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4474.0,4479.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I was. Matter of fact, my wife and I had gone to New York to look for a rabbi. We went down to Williamsburg to look for a rabbi. We went to one of the yeshivas down there and we talked to people. I had talked to a couple, and I called back to Atlanta to give them a report of what I had done so far, and I was told, \"Stop looking. We're having a young rabbi from Baltimore [Maryland] coming down for an interview. Don't look any further until we tell you.\" Well, I wasn't gonna stay in New York much longer. It so happens the young fellow, who he was was Rabbi Feldman. So, when we got back to Atlanta, they had interviewed him. They liked him and they hired him. I remember when they hired him ... I think he was hired before I got back from New York. I don't remember now exactly. But anyway, he asked for permission, could he go back and get married. He had already got ... He evidently was engaged to his wife-to-be, Estelle. So, he had permission. That's when he came. So, she came down with him after the first Rosh HaShanah, Yom Kippur holidays. So, that was really the beginning, in 1940 ... well, 1953, I think, when he first came down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4479.0,4566.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you were president from 1943 ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4566.0,4568.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I was present from 1945 to 48, 49. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4568.0,4573.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4573.0,4573.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. Then, 13 years later, in 1957 or 58, I became president again for one year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4573.0,4580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Just for one year this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4580.0,4582.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Now, their presidents are for two years, but I served four years. But I don't know what happened. Somebody didn't want to take it or something. I don't know what it was, so I said I'd take it for another year or something like that. So, that was the only year that I had when Rabbi Feldman was the rabbi of the synagogue, was when I was second term.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4582.0,4598.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, well, of course, you are not here a good part of the year, but do you still go to both synagogues or how do you handle it now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4598.0,4606.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I go to Beth Jacob all the time, all the holidays. The only time I go to AA is if it has some affair. A lot of time, when I was having yahrzeit just recently, I would go there for my yahrzeit at AA because it's closer to me than going to the other side of town. Now, they don't have trouble getting a minyan because they count women for minyans now, too. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4606.0,4629.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4629.0,4629.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. Which looked strange to me at first, but I've sorta got since used to it. But I go. For all the holidays, though, we go to Beth Jacob, and I do ride now. I don't [walk] because it's just ... We're about 12 miles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4629.0,4642.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, it is a long way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4642.0,4643.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It's just too far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4643.0,4644.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you feel about his son [Ilan Feldman] being rabbi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4644.0,4647.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no, he never was a rabbi. No, he never studied to be a rabbi. Rabbi Feldman just thought he liked it. But he never became a rabbi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4647.0,4653.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No, his son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4653.0,4654.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, his son. I thought you said my son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4654.0,4658.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No. How do you feel about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4658.0,4659.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I felt at first a little bit reluctant. But I think he might turn out because he's just about almost the age that his father was when he came. He's maybe a little older. I think even Rabbi Feldman had a little bit of second thoughts about him following up him. But I tell you, the little speech that he gave the night of his father's dedication of his leaving. I thought it was terrific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4659.0,4687.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How old is he? He is in his thirties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4687.0,4690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. He has too many children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4690.0,4691.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Seven or eight, did I read? Something like that. I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. 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But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4761.0,4761.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? I don't know how many miscarriages she had. And what is senior Rabbi Feldman going to do now? He's going to go to live part of the time in Israel. I think he wants to write a lot. He maybe wants to teach over there. He's not giving up his home here. Because he is still a fairly young man. That's right. I mean, he is ... I think he's 67 or something like that. But he said he still will come back. It's hard to see him leave. I mean, we knew the day had to come. Right. But it's nice to have to leave of his own accord, like they say, when he's still in good health, and [able to do the] things he wants to do with the rest of his life. Right. I know he'll be living part of the time in Israel. He has a daughter over there? Oh, yes, several, a couple daughters. One of them lives in California. The other ... They all live here in the States now. All the children do? All his children. His boys live here, and his daughters live here. Now, for a while, they did live in Israel. Now, his father lives in Israel. His mother just recently passed away. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4761.0,4763.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4763.0,4763.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4763.0,4763.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4763.0,4763.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. His father is still alive? His father, yes. Oh, my gosh. And Estelle's mother is still alive in Israel. Her father passed away several years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4763.0,4771.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e If you do not mind, I think we will stop here. We have been talking almost straight for two hours, and it has been wonderful. Next time, we will talk a little more, you know, about some of the community and some of the things that you have been involved in, if that is okay with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4771.0,4787.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4787.0,4788.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e This is Ronni Cristol interviewing Ben Golden on June 5, 1991, for the Jewish Oral History Project of Atlanta, co-sponsored by the American Jewish Committee, Atlanta Jewish Federation, and National Council of Jewish Women. Mr. Golden, in going back over my tapes the first time, I wanted to ask you some of the names of the architectural firms. I Iistened to them. There was there was one that was a Schutze or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4788.0,4817.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Matter of fact, as far as I know, they're ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4817.0,4823.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e We were talking about the architectural firms and there was one that I was not sure of the name. It was something and Schutze.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4823.0,4829.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Hentz, Adler and Schutze.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4829.0,4831.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you spell this for me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4831.0,4832.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Hentz. Which one you want? H-E-N-T-Z.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4832.0,4834.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Hentz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4834.0,4835.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Adler, A-D-L-E-R, and Schutze, S-C-H-U-T-Z-E, I think you spelled it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4835.0,4841.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. And they were here in Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4841.0,4843.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, they were here. That's whom I worked with one summer while I was going to Georgia Tech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4843.0,4847.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4847.0,4848.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Adler passed away, and it became Hentz and Schutze. No, I think it had another name. I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4848.0,4862.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you think there were not more Jewish architects in Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4862.0,4866.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Jewish people never were inclined to be architects. You know, most Jewish people wanted to be doctors and lawyers. They never went really to the mechanics. They were not very ... in those days. Now, you're finding an awful lot of Jewish boys are taking mechanical courses now, all type of engineering, aeronautical engineering, mechanical engineering, industrial, all this type. But in those days, as I said, there was only one other Jewish boy in my class in architecture at Georgia Tech, and I don't believe there were ten Jewish boys in the mechanical field when I was going there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4866.0,4902.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4902.0,4903.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. But then they got a little bit more because they did have ... They used to have an AEPi [Alpha Epsilon Pi] fraternity at Georgia Tech. It was disbanded somehow or another. I don't know what happened to it. And there were other two Jewish fraternities left. That was the Phi Eps and the ... I can't think ... One other Jewish fraternity. Anyway, they were the two. Now, the AEPi is back on the campus because when I was there, I didn't belong to one of those national fraternities. 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All Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4941.0,4942.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e All Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4942.0,4942.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e All Jewish. All Jewish. Strictly Jewish. We must have had maybe eight or ten students who were Jewish that belonged to it. So, eventually AEPi took over or they, Sigma Gamma, was asked and joined the AEPi. 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Well, I think ... The first year, I don't think they even had one. In the first place, I couldn't afford to go to fraternity. And I don't think I was even asked because I don't think, when I went in, because I went in the midterm, a lot of 'em didn't even know that I was even a Jewish student. I think the other Jewish boy in my class did go to one of the other Jewish fraternities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4965.0,4986.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You had said—and I wasn't sure—on the tape, you helped build the 10th Street AA synagogue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4986.0,4993.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I was with Bergman Incorporated at that time. When they built that? When they built that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4993.0,4996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When they built that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4996.0,4996.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e When they built that? When they built that? I was, more or less, the estimator and the running everything. I wasn't the architect on the building, now, or we weren't. We were the contractors on the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=4996.0,5007.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And did some ... I do not know whether I heard this or just had it at the back of my mind. I thought someone had told me that you helped build the Jewish Home. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yes. 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5015.0,5015.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. We had the contract.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5015.0,5018.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that also with Bergman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5018.0,5019.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that was when I was in my business with myself and another partner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5019.0,5023.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, the ARCO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5023.0,5025.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. That was ARCO. And matter of fact, at that time, they had a Jewish architect at this time called Moskowitz. I think it used to be called Moskowitz and Millkey. Frank Garson, who was the instigator and the leader of getting the Jewish Home built on 10th Street ... I was pretty close with Frank. He liked me and he said anything that had to be Jewish in Atlanta, I had to do the building because there weren't ... At that time, the only other builders were in town were the Kunianskys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5025.0,5058.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was the Jewish Home before that? Or was there one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5058.0,5063.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the first Jewish Home they had was on 10th Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5063.0,5066.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you actually ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5066.0,5067.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. ... did the first one. ... did the first one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5067.0,5069.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e ... did the first one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5069.0,5069.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e ... did the first one. ... did the first one. Matter of fact, their property adjoined the Progressive Club. Progressive Club was on one end of the street and ... No, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5069.0,5079.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It is the same area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5079.0,5081.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I have to back up. The Jewish Home was on 14th Street, and the Progressive Club was on 10th street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5081.0,5086.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5086.0,5087.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I had it just reversed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5087.0,5088.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. So, you actually were the contractors for the Jewish Home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5088.0,5093.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e We were the general contractors that built the Jewish Home. Matter of fact, where they keep the Torahs, the Aron Kodesh, I designed and built that for the home. For the new home? 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No, for the home on 14th Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5101.0,5103.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5103.0,5104.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Then, they built a new home over here off of Howell Mill Road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5104.0,5108.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Howell Mill, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5108.0,5109.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't have anything to do with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5109.0,5112.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e One thing that we did not get into at all on the last tape was your social life growing up in Atlanta, both as a child, you know, and as an adult. Was the Jewish Educational Alliance the strong ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5112.0,5127.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, that was a focal point. Matter of fact, when we lived on Capital, I was a little boy, but we used to go to the Jewish Alliance. In the back, they had a gymnasium that you played basketball. 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The real big leader at that time was Morris Lichenstein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5140.0,5161.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Of the Educational Alliance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5161.0,5162.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he was a city wide ... A city leader? 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He was a fabulous man, and he was the ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5164.0,5168.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Was he the one you told me his son was a playboy that lived near ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5168.0,5172.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, that was in the family. Now, he had two sons they lived with: Jack Lichtenstein and Aaron Lichenstein. They were all in the insurance business, but Jack had gone in with one of the relatives. He was in a wholesale type of business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5172.0,5192.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you would ... I mean, you had clubs and things like that? The Alliance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5192.0,5197.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, as a kid, though ... I remember around the age I was bar mitzvahed, we lived on Washington Street, and every Friday night, we used to hang around Washington and Georgia Avenue. That was ... Taylor's Pharmacy. They all used to hang around there and one block away was the Princess Apartments. We used to play out in the streets on the side. Some of the people there would raise Cain. They would call the police on us and get us off the street. Then, later on, a lot of time, when we lived on Ormond Street, we used to go over to the [Hebrew] Orphans Home and play over there with the kids. But I was really never that much into social [activities] because I was a little more studious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5197.0,5236.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Plus, you had to help your father work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5236.0,5237.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e In the store. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5237.0,5238.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5238.0,5238.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. Then, matter of fact, I took violin lessons at that time. As I said, in those days, we had a long ways to go to school, to walk. When we moved over on the other side of town, I used to catch the bus. When I went to high school, I had to catch the bus every morning to go to school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5238.0,5251.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You did not have a lot of free time at all just to ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5251.0,5253.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5253.0,5255.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, how about, you know, later on, like once you got married, were you in the one of the social clubs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5255.0,5263.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yes. Matter of fact, well, I had been a member of Progressive Club for a long time ... Progressive Club when it used to be on Pryor Street. I'll never forget my wife ... when I had a ... matter of fact, it was a blind date with my wife. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5263.0,5276.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5276.0,5276.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. It was right at the ... It was a Yom Kippur break fast dance. I brought my wife to the club. Well, my wife looked like a shiksa. Matter of fact, everybody was envious of me. I can remember the dress that she wore was an ice blue gown. Anyway, a couple of days later, I had my office, where I was working was down in the William-Oliver building at Five Points and my wife was coming downtown when she dropped ... My future wife came in. She was walking the street with Dorothy Saul Rosenblum, and she met Max Mendel's wife [Ester Mendel] on the street. She introduced my wife to Max Mendel's wife, and she says, \"Were you at the Progressive Club with Ben Golden?\" She says, \"Yes, I was. I had a date with him.\" \"Oh, my G-d,\" she said, \"I gotta go back and see my husband, Max. They're gonna bring [him] up before the board for bringing a shiksa to the club.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5276.0,5339.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness. Is that not something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5339.0,5342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, she brings this up a lot today, too. A lot! Right. A lot! Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5342.0,5346.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot! Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5346.0,5346.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot! Right. A lot! Right. No, I was at the Progressive Club, and of course, later on, they had the Mayfair Club. I was a member of the Mayfair Club. When the Progressive Club was built on 10th Street, the people I was with, Bergman, we built the Progressive Club. The original Progressive Club on 14th Street. The first thing we built was the swimming pool—before they ever built the main building. So, they used that for a summer, but prior to the completing of the upper structure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5346.0,5374.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, you said after that you joined the Mayfair Club. Was that an offshoot of the Progressive Club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5374.0,5378.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, a lot of people ... See, at that time, they had the Standard Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5378.0,5382.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, they did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5382.0,5383.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The Standard Club at that time was strictly for the German Jews. They were restricting anyone else from coming in. But then, they had the Progressive Club and there was some offshoot of that that went out and became the Mayfair Club. They built their building on Spring Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5383.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you went with the group that formed the Mayfair Club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5400.0,5403.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I belonged to both. People belonged to both clubs in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5403.0,5406.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Why would they do that? Just different reasons?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5406.0,5409.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there was a different class of people that went to the club. The Progressive Club, we might say it might be a little bit snobbish, was a little bit higher ... I mean, the Mayfair Club was a little bit higher than the Standard ... than the ... Progressive Club? Progressive Club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5409.0,5420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Progressive Club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5420.0,5420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Progressive Club? Progressive Club? Progressive Club. The Standard Club, naturally, being for the German Jews, was still an echelon higher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5420.0,5427.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5427.0,5428.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e But we used to go have a lot of fun at the club in those days. That was the only entertainment we had. We'd have dances every week. There were no decent restaurants in Atlanta in those days, and the clubs had very good meals. Matter of fact, the Mayfair Club had better meals, in my opinion, than the Progressive Club. I think that's one reason a lot of them moved away, and went, and joined the Mayfair Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5428.0,5453.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The Mayfair Club was the one that had the fire? That's right. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5453.0,5455.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5455.0,5455.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. That's right. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5455.0,5456.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was on Spring Street, not too ... almost near the junction of Peachtree and West Peachtree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5456.0,5462.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did they never rebuild after the fire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5462.0,5465.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they didn't. I know I went by there and helped prepare the fire damage loss. I don't recall exactly what happened then. It would cost so much money to put the building back and they were thinking about maybe moving somewheres else because somebody wanted to buy their property. They wanted to make them a fairly decent offer. But it never did ... Get rebuilt. Get rebuilt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5465.0,5499.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Get rebuilt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5499.0,5499.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Get rebuilt. Get rebuilt. I think for a while they used to meet at the Biltmore Hotel. I'm not sure just how people ... But then later on, shortly after that, you started getting better restaurants in Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5499.0,5510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And there were other places to go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5510.0,5512.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. And then later, people were beginning to build swimming pools in their homes, so we didn't have to have the access to the club swimming pools. Not too many of them—the Jewish people—used the city pools, but they did. But I remember that one of the first better restaurants that came to Atlanta—I built it—was Leb's Restaurant. I remember I went to Florida, and talked with Charlie Lebidin and all these people, and got the contract, and we built it. Where was it? Where was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5512.0,5540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5540.0,5540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was it? Where was it? It was on Luckie and Forsyth Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5540.0,5544.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, it was originally from Florida?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5544.0,5546.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Charlie Lebedin is originally from Florida.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5546.0,5549.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, really you had no other form of entertainment other than the clubs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5549.0,5553.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Only entertainment was at the clubs because they would have some kind of main bands coming down and we had a dance every ... Even the Progressive Club on Pryor Street would have a dance once a week. On Sunday nights, used to have a dance. And they used to have ... They didn't have a regular dining room. They used to have a little snack bar. You'd go down and get ... People would go swimming, take an exercise, then come back, and have a little snack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5553.0,5577.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, when the Progressive Club closed, did you join the Standard Club or you ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5577.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I never did join the Standard Club. I'm not a golfer, never played golf in my life. I was asked to join it, but, I mean, I saw no need for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5580.0,5587.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No need for it, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5587.0,5588.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Rather, I thought it was a little too expensive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5588.0,5591.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Still is probably. That's right. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5591.0,5594.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5594.0,5594.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. That's right. Tell me a little bit ... We did not get into much talking about you and your wife. You said she came down for a blind date, and you had a date with her. Then, she went back to New Jersey? Tell me a little bit about your courtship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5594.0,5604.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, well, when she came here for the Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur holiday, she stayed here, I don't know, maybe about eight or ten days—I don't know—and she went back to Alabama. Her cousin Dorothy asked her would she like to come back before she went back to New Jersey. She said, \"Yes.\" I'd already met her. I think when she came back ... I don't know. She must have stayed about a week, but I think I must have had three or four dates with her during that week and we just ... Then, she left to go back to New Jersey, and we corresponded. This was probably in October. Well, I took a vacation in Christmas—between Christmas and New Year's—and I asked her if I could come to visit her in New Jersey. She graciously said, \"Yes.\" I said, \"Well, I wanted to stay at a hotel.\" And she said, \"Well, there's no hotels in the small town of Dover, New Jersey.\" She said, \"You'll stay at our house. You can have my brother's room.\" So, that's what happened. I later found out they did have a small hotel in the town there, but she didn't want me to stay there. She felt like people would start talking to her if she ever went to the hotel to pick me up, and see me, or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5604.0,5686.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, she wanted you to meet her family, too, and be with her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5686.0,5688.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5688.0,5690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, did you decide then that you would get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5690.0,5692.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, we were in New York on New Year's Eve. I think that was the night that we saw Frank Sinatra on Times Square. We were on Times Square at night. And it started snowing. We went to the theater. I'm trying to think of the name of the theater. It wasn't the Capitol [Theatre]. But anyway, we couldn't sit together in the theater, the theater was so crammed. We sat about three or four rows apart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5692.0,5727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no. On New Year's Eve?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5727.0,5729.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e On New Year's Eve. It was after midnight, because we were on the ... watching the crowds at midnight. We were on what they called then ... They had a late show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5729.0,5738.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Not the ball coming down?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5738.0,5739.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't remember them having the ball in those days. And it must have been about, I guess, four o'clock in the morning, we were going back to New Jersey. We took the train in from her town, from Dover, to New York, and went back by train. She was telling me. She said, \"I hope we don't meet anybody that I know because here we're coming back at this hour of the morning, and here I'm with a strange man they didn't know who they were.\" I know as we were going back, it began to snow harder and harder. By the time we got to Dover, the snow was really coming down. I believe that she left the car at the train station. She had a car, a Nash. They only lived maybe about a mile from the station. And we drove home. It so happens, there was some person on the train that she knew. I don't know whether she ever said anything or not. Then we stayed, went back to New York a couple of days later, and we stayed at her aunt's home. And while we were there, one night, we were sitting there talking, and we sort of somewhat became somewhat engaged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5739.0,5811.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Somewhat engaged. I like that term, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5811.0,5815.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e This happened to be on a Friday night or Saturday, yes. No, that Saturday night, she went on to visit some of her girlfriends, who were going over there. They wanted to know if this is the fella that she met down South. I think they believe if you're from the South, you had to have a plantation down here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5815.0,5836.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And slaves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5836.0,5837.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And you drank mint juleps all the time and you had to be extremely wealthy. So, anyway, she told them that we got engaged. I remember we went back to her aunt's home, and we called my parents in Atlanta. They had a grocery store and actually, on Saturday, they didn't close till midnight. I had called them and told them that I got engaged. They wanted to know if I was going to get a ring for her. I said, \"Yes,\" and all this, that and that. And we had planned an early wedding in February.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5837.0,5872.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e This was fast, then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5872.0,5873.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I think I only had eight dates with my wife.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5873.0,5878.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was 1934?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5878.0,5879.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Thirty-eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5879.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Thirty-eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5880.0,5881.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't make it earlier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5881.0,5883.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I will not. Okay. I will write that down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5883.0,5885.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The wedding ... I couldn't get off of vacation to go back up north again. It was very difficult for my parents to come to the wedding. So, she has this aunt of hers in Alabama and her aunt said, \"Well,\" she'd love to have the wedding at her home in Alabama. So, we planned for the wedding to be on February 20. She came down maybe a couple of weeks earlier and went to her aunt's. I went down the Sunday before my wedding to take out the wedding license. We were the first Jewish people to ever take out a license in Dade County, Alabama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5885.0,5932.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e What did you say? Alexander? Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5932.0,5936.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5936.0,5936.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5936.0,5936.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. Alexander City. Alexander City was the city. Right. Dade County. But the county seat was called Dade County. It so happened, her uncle had two or three department stores. One of the city officials down there, the county officials, let us take our blood test on Sunday. You're not supposed to. So, we went down, took a blood test over there. And we came down after that for the following Sunday to have the wedding. My folks came in from Atlanta and Dorothy Rosenblum came down. Matter of fact, I had just bought a car the week before and Dorothy came down with me on the Sunday. They always kid us about that, too. Somebody in front of me had a flat tire. We stopped to help, and I was late for my own wedding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5936.0,5987.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5987.0,5988.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I had some cousins of mine that came up from Tampa [Florida] and they pulled all kinda pranks. They wrote all over the car window, threw rice in there. Some of the people working in the store wanted to come to the wedding and my aunt wouldn't let anyone because people said they want to see what a Jewish wedding was like. And she said she was not gonna have them come to advertise it. So, they didn't get to come to the wedding but worked at the store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=5988.0,6016.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you had the wedding in the aunt's house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6016.0,6018.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e In the aunt's house in Alabama. After the wedding, we went to Montgomery, Alabama for the first night. We're ready to leave. I couldn't find the keys to my car. I looked all over for them, and I accused my cousins of taking the keys out of my car. I guess, in all the excitement, I had taken my key in the back pocket, which I never put a car key in the back pocket. Why, I don't know. I guess, after at least a half an hour looking for the key ... It was there. It was there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6018.0,6047.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e It was there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6047.0,6047.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It was there. It was there. It was in my back pocket.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6047.0,6049.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And your wife said, \"What have I gotten into?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6049.0,6051.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, we went ... We must have got out of town four or five miles, and we stopped, and I got all the rice out. The interior of the car was just covered with rice. We didn't want to show off we were newlyweds. I wiped all the windows off and we drove to Montgomery. I guess ... I don't know. Montgomery was less than a hundred miles away. And we stayed at the Jefferson Davis Hotel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6051.0,6073.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you moved back to Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6073.0,6075.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, I've always lived in Atlanta. Then, we went to Florida for our honeymoon. We stopped off in Tampa because I had my grandfather and grandmother lived there, and my aunt. So, we stopped off to see them. We spent the night. Then, we went to Miami [Florida], and we spent three or four days and nights in Miami. Then, we came back by way of Jacksonville [Florida]. I had another aunt and uncle there, so we stopped off and spent the night there. Then, we came back to Atlanta. Before we had left to get married, we had rented an apartment on Ponce de Leon Place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6075.0,6117.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is where I heard you say that is where your son was born, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6117.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's correct. 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Now, she lives in Danvers, Massachusetts and she has the three boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6165.0,6175.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And your son has three girls?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6175.0,6176.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Two girls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6176.0,6177.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Two girls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6177.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Bonnie and Debbie is the two girls and three boys ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6180.0,6191.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is alright. We will come back to it. Did your daughter ever live in Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6191.0,6196.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, she was born and lived ... Matter of fact, she lived in this house here. When she got married, she lived here in this house. We've been in this home here now for 34 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6196.0,6206.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, they lived in Atlanta for a while after she got married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6206.0,6209.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. When she got married, her husband, future husband, was going to MIT [Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Massachusetts]. 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I know that they didn't ... She didn't like him, or he liked her at the time and they ... like kids. And they didn't meet again until later on in years when he ... Let's see. Something happened. He came down to Atlanta when we were having some sort of a function. I forgot what it was. We were at the Fran and Bill's restaurant, and he met Peggy again and he took a liking to her. They started corresponding and everything else. Peggy was going with other boys here in town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6226.0,6267.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Was she in college? No. High school? No. High school? 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No. High school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6270.0,6270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. High school? No. High school? No. High school? I think she'd already ... Yes, she was in Georgia. She'd already gone to Georgia. I think she was then going back to Georgia State. She went two years to Georgia. She went to Georgia State. I think she lacked only about one semester of ever graduating. She never did. She got married. But David was going to MIT so, she went up there to Boston [Massachusetts], and she worked for American Express. Then, she also worked for a short period of time at the Federal Reserve Bank because that's where David was working in the summertime when he was going to MIT. Then, they came down here. They got married. 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In MIT, he was the editor-in-chief of the school annual that year that he was there. He's a brilliant mathematician, has a brilliant mind, fast reader. He can read a book in three or four hours, two hours, and like, get the whole book and know what he's read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6320.0,6346.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, they have been up in the Boston area ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6346.0,6347.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They've been up there ever since they've been married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6347.0,6349.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I see, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6349.0,6350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e But they never lived in Atlanta after they got married. 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Your son did not go to the Hebrew Academy, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6355.0,6359.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my daughter did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6359.0,6360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Your daughter did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6360.0,6361.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, she started in the ... 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You did not live near there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6364.0,6368.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, matter of fact, we even lived over here, and we commuted over there. The first place they had Hebrew Academy was at the ... Shearith Israel had a building. And by the way, that building, I think, was used by the Ku Klux Klan at one time. The same building? The same building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6368.0,6380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The same building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6380.0,6380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The same building? The same building? Because I had renovated that building so they could make it to the Hebrew Academy. It was right on the corner of University Drive, not very far off of Virginia Avenue. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6380.0,6393.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6393.0,6393.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. Matter of fact, the second year, I became president of the PTA of the Hebrew Academy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6393.0,6399.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You told me that is how you got so involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6399.0,6401.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They couldn't find one. In the third ... in the next year, I think it was in, let's see, in 1955 or 56, I was vice-president of the Hebrew Academy, but I never followed up any more offices because I became president of the JNF [Jewish National Fund] ... You got involved in other things. 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Then, I became ZOA president in 1974 and 75.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6425.0,6433.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I have all these questions down to ask you, too, so we will get back to this. So, you just felt like that she wanted just a good basic Jewish education?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6433.0,6442.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e A good Jewish education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6442.0,6443.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Then, where did she go to high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6443.0,6445.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e She went to Northside. See, we lived here in this present home. So, we were really not too far, although they carpooled. Matter of fact, when she used to carpool to go to Hebrew Academy, we used to carpool with Doctor [Irving] Greenberg. They lived way on the other side of town, and he used to come over, and pick her up over here. They also had one of the Cohen boys that lived in this neighborhood and also Doctor Janice's kids lived in this neighborhood. So, we had about four or five kids that we would carpool to take her over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6445.0,6478.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things is I have done some interviewing and talking to people, and you had mentioned this about the social clubs, that there was a big difference between the Eastern European Jews and the German Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6478.0,6488.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Tell me your feelings about that. Tell me your feelings about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6488.0,6490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me your feelings about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6490.0,6490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me your feelings about that. Tell me your feelings about that. They were very clannish. I mean, they didn't have anything to do ... the German Jews, as far as ... Matter of fact, what brought them together was [Adolph] Hitler later, during the war started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6490.0,6500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I was gonna ask you what finally got them together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6500.0,6504.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember that Frank Garson was ... He belonged to a little bit of everything, but he once mentioned about the German Jews were very clannish. And matter of fact, I had known a lot of them. I mean, I never had socially, but I've had some contacts with them in the business world. But I can go back, and I remember the old Standard Club on Washington Street, which is only about a half a block away from where the AA synagogue was, and across the street from there was the Immaculate Conception Convent. And later on, up next to that, up on the corner, they built the Fulton County High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6504.0,6552.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, if it had not been for the war, we probably still would have had a ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6552.0,6555.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that's what brought ... Then, they started having a few intermarriages between the Germans. And later on, they had the Spanish Jews. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6555.0,6564.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6564.0,6564.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. They intermarried. Now, I remember the Or VeShalom had their first synagogue was on Central Avenue. Then later on, they moved to Highland Avenue. Later on, in my business, I remodeled that Highland Avenue Or VeShalom. Rabbi [Joseph] Cohen was there at that time, too. Then, later on, they just sold that building and moved out to their present on North Druid Hills. But I had nothing to do with building those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6564.0,6599.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The early Jewish businesses, like your father's grocery store and that kind of thing, were there any ... Did you feel any antisemitism when you were growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6599.0,6611.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I personally didn't. A lot of ... Oh, I'm sure ... I grew up mostly around black neighborhoods. I played with black kids a lot. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6611.0,6619.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6619.0,6619.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. But I really never had, personally. I had heard a lot of people that had. Even going to high school, I mean, in grammar school, I don't think there were many Jewish kids at Pryor Street School when I was going there. But I never had any feelings of antisemitism and neither when I was in Hoke Smith Junior High School. I never had it. Even in high school, there were very few Jewish boys in Tech High School. Yet, over at Boys' High, the adjoining building, I'm sure there was a lot of prejudice over there in that school. But I never personally had this type of experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6619.0,6653.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And how about the blacks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6653.0,6654.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I know I heard some people say, \"He's a Jew baby,\" or something like that, but never to be molested, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6654.0,6661.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you feel, being in the grocery business, any resentment among the black community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6661.0,6667.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the blacks at that time were awful friendly with the Jews. The Jews took care of the blacks. They did. I remember my father, he had a credit business. The blacks had nothing. He would put on the books, they would buy something on Friday, or Saturday come in, they would pay off what they'd buy—maybe two, or three dollars, four dollars. It wasn't much because they never made very much. But in those days, now, a lot of the Jewish people I was told they would sell the blacks a little bit inferior stuff. That's what the blacks claimed. It probably was true. But I never had that experience and, as far as I know, my father never did. My father, even though he had his stores in the black neighborhood, he also had white customers also. I remember his first grocery store that he was right in the area by where I was born was called Darktown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6667.0,6714.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Really? The area was called Darktown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6714.0,6715.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The area was called Darktown, a lot of blacks. But yet, his store was only about two blocks off of Courtland Street and three blocks off of Peachtree Street. He had a lot of white customers that lived on Courtland and Peachtree Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6715.0,6727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, a little bit of everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6727.0,6728.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, he was ... The only other store he had strictly a white neighborhood when he had a store on Pulliam Street. That was strictly a white neighborhood. The other stores he had was always in the black neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6728.0,6738.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did he ... I do not remember that part of it, going back. When he sold his last store, was it to blacks or ... You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6738.0,6747.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6747.0,6747.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6747.0,6747.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. You mean the last grocery store? The last grocery store. No, he sold it to Hyman Newman, a Jewish boy. Well, but he saw ... My father had cancer already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6747.0,6754.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, and you had taken him up to ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6754.0,6755.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I had taken him to the Mayo Clinic and all that. But when he went to Mayo Clinic, he'd already sold the store. But he was going down fast. Otherwise, if it wasn't for the ... I guess, the last year of his life, he was pushing himself and I think that extended his life somewhat, in going to the store. But it got, to where he just could not go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6755.0,6777.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Too much. Now, you told me your mother lived quite a bit longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6777.0,6780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, my mother was 89 when she passed away. And she was in the Jewish Home? And she was in the Jewish Home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6780.0,6784.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And she was in the Jewish Home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6784.0,6784.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And she was in the Jewish Home? And she was in the Jewish Home? She passed away in the Jewish Home, matter of fact—the new Jewish Home that's on Howell Mill Road. She first moved into the Jewish Home on 14th Street. Then, they built another, and she moved over to the new one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6784.0,6799.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You had worked for Ben Massell very briefly. Did you get involved in politics at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6799.0,6805.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6805.0,6806.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That was not something you were interested in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6806.0,6809.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That was not my forte.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6809.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you feel when Sam Massell became the first Jewish mayor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6810.0,6814.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I felt elated we had a Jewish person. Yes? Yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6814.0,6816.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6816.0,6816.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes? Yes? You know, I always felt ... It's funny. First, when you had a Gentile [non-Jewish person], then you had the Jewish people came into the neighborhood, then you had the Greeks that sort of followed into the neighborhood, then you had the blacks that came over. That was the sort of the transition. I always said, \"Now that you had the Jewish mayor, you'll probably have a black mayor.\" Sure enough, that's what happened later on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6816.0,6842.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you know Sam Massell? Oh, yes. Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6842.0,6844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6844.0,6844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Personally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6844.0,6845.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I knew him personally, but never really close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6845.0,6847.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6847.0,6849.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I knew Ben Massell's son and I knew his daughter when I was working for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6849.0,6855.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Sam was a nephew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6855.0,6856.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Sam was a nephew. Matter of fact, I knew Sam's father. He was also a builder in the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6856.0,6862.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Separate building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6862.0,6863.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Separate, never with Ben Massell. They were separate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6863.0,6867.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did the two sides of the family get along?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6867.0,6869.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. I guess. One built the ... Ben Massell would probably [be called]the father of Atlanta. But I think the two people you can probably attribute the Atlanta growth was Asa G. Candler, from the Coca-Cola Company, and Ben Massell, in those days. Yes, I would say, in those days, almost every big piece of property downtown Ben Massell had bought or sold sometime during his lifetime. He'd sell one piece, and later years, he'd probably buy it back, and turn around, and sell it again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6869.0,6901.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, his daughter married [Simon] Selig?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6901.0,6903.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Selig. That's right. She was Caroline Massell Selig.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6903.0,6904.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Well, let us talk a little bit about your volunteer work. You had some dates down here and I had down some things, too. Your first volunteer job was PTA president, is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6904.0,6921.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, from the volunteer ... The first, I guess, official job I had was when I became president of Beth Jacob. But that wasn't volunteered, though. Right. They volunteered me. Right. They volunteered me. Right. 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But that was the first community work that I really got involved in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6930.0,6938.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Then, from there, you said JNF from what years? Nineteen ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6938.0,6943.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, JNF, I was president from 1973 to 74. Then after that, I became president of ZOA was in 1974 and 75, but I stayed very active in JNF. Matter of fact, I am even sort of active today, but in the background, so to speak. They've done tremendous from the days that I was president. When I was president, we could not get any assistance from New York. If it wasn't for Anna Geffen, I don't know what would happen. 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They did not have any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6985.0,6989.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e They did not have any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=6989.0,6989.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They did not have any? They did not have any? First of all, they didn't make enough money down here. We had somebody down here before I took over. I think what money they raised he probably spent on expenses down here, and they probably went into the red. But I had tried ... And the same thing with the ZOA. We had no help down here for a while. We tried to work around without the help. The help I really got was from Cantor Goodfriend. If it wasn't for him ... 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I read, you know, just a little bit in the book that you gave me, but how did it begin in Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7025.0,7032.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it was before my time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7032.0,7033.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, it was ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7033.0,7034.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Matter of fact, going back in the turn of the century is when ZOA actually became an active organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7034.0,7048.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When Zionism became real strong?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7048.0,7051.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I mean, I have several books and things. You can take the whole history of that, but I'm sure they have their history down there more than I can tell them, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7051.0,7058.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7058.0,7060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, I attended a couple of conventions in Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7060.0,7064.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You got involved with ZOA through JNF or ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7064.0,7069.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yes. Some of the same were people involved in both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7069.0,7071.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7071.0,7073.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Sol Benamy was what they once called him Mr. ZOA. He was very dedicated here and his brother. I believe that Sol Benamy was a delegate to the convention when they had it in Switzerland years ago, when the Zionist organization was getting started in Basel, Switzerland. Then, the cantor got me involved later on, but I had known Sol Benamy and his brother, Joe Benamy, for many years. Matter of fact, it was through Joe Benamy that he got me together with Hymie Bergman that I'd go with him into business. Because Hymie Bergman and Joe were very close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7073.0,7123.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Then, were you at all involved in the Jewish Community Center, in the JCC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7123.0,7129.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, never really involved in that sense of the word. When I was in business for myself, I had just too much to do. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7129.0,7139.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7139.0,7139.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. I was putting in 14, 16 hours a day and I just couldn't handle some of the stuff. When I became president of the ZOA and the JNF, I'd already gone with ... We had merged with the Abrams and actually, I had more help, so I had a little more free time. More time, right. More time, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7139.0,7157.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e More time, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7157.0,7157.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e More time, right. More time, right. I didn't have to put in the hours that I did when I was in business for myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7157.0,7161.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you were able to give a little bit more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7161.0,7163.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, so I was able to do a lot of the work for the JNF and the ZOA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7163.0,7169.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there are so many volunteer organizations in Atlanta today that you wonder. That is why I said, \"How did you get involved?\" You wonder how people decide which ones they want to deal with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7169.0,7177.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've always said and I've always found out, before you get somebody involved, get somebody that's busy. They'll always find time for something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7177.0,7186.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7186.0,7187.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You try to get a volunteer really that has nothing to do, that has the time, they'll beg off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7187.0,7200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I have found that people of your generation seemed so much more willing to give of themselves than some of the younger generation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7200.0,7206.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so. Well, don't forget, with my generation, we didn't have that many Jewish people in Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7206.0,7214.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that ... Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7214.0,7216.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Matter of fact, when this book was written that I gave you, I think it said we only had about 12,000 Jewish people living in 1975 in Atlanta. Today, I bet the Jewish population is up close to over 70,000 people. In those days, we knew every Jewish person, so to speak, and most of the Jewish people lived in the same areas. They were within walking distance. Matter of fact, on Sundays, we got together with my grandparents every Sunday. We [and] my father would go over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7216.0,7247.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Much more close families. Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right. Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right. Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7247.0,7254.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right. Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. 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Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7254.0,7254.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right. Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right. Today, you don't. In the first place, one grandparent lives in New York and the other lives in Miami. Right. You just don't commute even in Atlanta [if] the one lived on one side of town, one on the other side of town. But in those days, the Jewish family was very closely knit. They would get together. I remember on the holidays, on Rosh HaShanah, Yom Kippur, and Passover, my grandmother would have 25 or 30 people at a Seder at her house. It was delightful. All the grandchildren were there, and it was a get-together. They all got ... Today, you can't get them together. They are so spread out. They are so spread out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7254.0,7285.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e They are so spread out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7285.0,7285.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They are so spread out. They are so spread out. They're spread out today. That's one reason now that I go to my granddaughter every Passover because she says she didn't want my wife to do all the Passover kitchen work and the changing of dishes. We still have our separate dishes and never use them. But for the last 17, 18 years we've been going to her. And three or four times we've had my children from Atlanta come up and we'd have the get together for Passover. But it's a long ways and business doesn't allow them to get away. They're working and they have their own business. So, we don't get together as often as we do, too. It's a shame because we're getting older. Just like this weekend, we're going to Washington to have a 75th birthday party for my cousin. I've said we used to go to so many tragedies in the family. Now, I just go for the simchas [Hebrew: celebrations].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7285.0,7332.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7332.0,7333.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And while we're able to do it and they appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7333.0,7338.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course. Is your daughter-in-law from Atlanta also?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7338.0,7342.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my daughter-in-law is from ... She was born in London [England], and they lived ... I think when they first came to this country, they lived in Kansas City [Missouri]. But my son met her in Fort Myers, Florida. I was doing a shopping center down in Fort Myers and we sent him down to help out. We had his general superintendent, and he would support us in the office down in Florida. And that's when he met her. It's a strange thing. We came down. We brought him down, my wife and I, to find him a place to stay because we knew he'd be down here for several months. We went to the synagogue on Friday night, and they had Oneg Shabbat there. My wife looked and this girl over there, kissed her mother, \"Good Shabbos,\" on Friday night. My wife said, \"Gee, that's a nice girl. I'd like for my son to meet her.\" But the Oneg Shabbat, they didn't stay. They left, so we didn't get to see them. But somehow or another, we found out who it was and my son ... called her, had a date, and that's how they got together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7342.0,7406.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, your wife knew right off the bat she was going to be a nice girl?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7406.0,7408.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, because she kissed her mother, \"Good Shabbos.\" We were always affectionate family. Myself, I never went to bed without kissing my father and mother good night. Until the day almost he died, every time I'd see him, I'd kiss my father. And today, with my son. The same way. The same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7408.0,7422.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e The same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7422.0,7422.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e The same way. The same way. We're that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7422.0,7425.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, your son did not go into Abrams?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7425.0,7430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, he worked for Abrams. He worked for him and then he went on his own? He worked for him and then he went on his own?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7430.0,7431.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e He worked for him and then he went on his own?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7431.0,7431.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e He worked for him and then he went on his own? He worked for him and then he went on his own? Then he went on his own. He worked in Abrams until about 1973, I guess, shortly before I retired. He sort of saw the handwriting on the wall, that they figured it might be nepotism and the Abrams was going. They had sons growing up and felt like they'd be brought into the business. He thought he would get out, and go into his own, and that's what he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7431.0,7454.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You told me the name. His company is ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7454.0,7457.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e AECO, A-E-C-O company, which is similar to mine, which was ARCO company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7457.0,7462.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Your son is not an architect?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7462.0,7467.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he graduated building construction in Southern Tech. He did go one year to Georgia Tech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7467.0,7474.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, he is still looking to you for advice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7474.0,7477.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Well, I'm glad I'm able to give it to him. You are a consultant. Right. You are a consultant. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7477.0,7480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You are a consultant. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7480.0,7480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You are a consultant. Right. You are a consultant. Right. I tell him I'm the best dollar a year man, but now I don't even get the dollar a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7480.0,7483.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Just a lot of goodwill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7483.0,7486.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e But he calls me every day, even when I'm in Florida, when I'm down in the winter. Now that we have a fax machine, we fax things to each other. I can do a little sketch. I can give him an estimate and send it back and forth. If he has a bill that's got to go out, he wants me to verify something, we fax it now. Used to mail it. Used to take three or four days one way, another three or four days going back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7486.0,7504.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you have not really retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7504.0,7507.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I retired by not getting paid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7507.0,7509.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, right. That's retirement. That's retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7509.0,7510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7510.0,7510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That's retirement. That's retirement. That's right. But your mind is still in the business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7510.0,7513.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think I could ever retire like some people say they retire. Now, I don't play golf. I don't play tennis. You have no hobbies? You have no hobbies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7513.0,7522.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You have no hobbies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7522.0,7522.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e You have no hobbies? You have no hobbies? I can understand a lot of people that play golf, play golf every day. In our complex down there, the people play gin. Last year, I didn't play cards one time down there. I'll go out and watch them. But they play cards in the afternoon and night. I don't know how they do it day in and day out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7522.0,7539.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you do? What do you do while you are down there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7539.0,7541.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e My son sends me stuff that ... I don't know. I'm busy all the time but I don't know what I'm doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7541.0,7545.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7545.0,7546.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I would try to take ... I'd go by the pool sometime, take a book to read. I can't read a book. First, we sit down, we start talking with the people around, so I don't read. And I have several good books. There's brand new books over there. There's four brand new books there. That you have not had a chance to read? That you have not had a chance to read?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7546.0,7557.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That you have not had a chance to read?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7557.0,7557.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That you have not had a chance to read? That you have not had a chance to read? That I wanted to read. As a matter of fact, I bought this book ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7557.0,7566.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I am going to turn this over because I think we are just about out of tape here. This is side two of the oral history tape with Ben Golden on June 5 for the Jewish Oral History Project of Atlanta, cosponsored by the American Jewish Committee, Atlanta Jewish Federation, and National Council of Jewish Women. We were talking a little bit about your unofficial retirement, or your official retirement but not real retirement in Florida.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7566.0,7598.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I officially retired in 1975 with Abrams. Actually, it was a compulsory retirement because they had a rule when you became 65, you had to. Now, they can't do that. So, when I became 65, they pleasantly retired me. That was the year I decided my wife and I would take a trip around the United States in the car. 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We just made the complete circuit, but 30 days is not enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7629.0,7649.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7649.0,7651.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I would have liked to have taken maybe two months at least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7651.0,7656.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Or 30 days just for the western part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7656.0,7657.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Now, we have done a lot of traveling, my wife and I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7657.0,7662.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you have seen a lot of changes in Atlanta since 19 ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7662.0,7666.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e From a little country town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7666.0,7667.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Are there any things that you see particularly good, or bad, or ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7667.0,7674.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, things have improved tremendously. I don't know if I told you or not. I remember when I was a kid, the horse drawn fire engines in Atlanta. They used to have a fire station right across from the state capitol on Washington Street. As a kid, I used to go up there and watch the horses. 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Do you think Atlanta has gotten too big? You know, a lot of people say it is just too big, it is too spread out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7696.0,7702.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It has spread out. I say, at one time, I knew almost every street. We knew everybody, but today, in these suburbs, I'm lost. My son has to tell me things that I don't know. Just like the other day, we went out. We went over to Temple Emanu-El, and we went out to another direction beyond that. Streets that I never knew existed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7702.0,7727.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they probably did not, not too long ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7727.0,7731.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they didn't, but it was country. Theoretically, this house we're living in here now ... When my wife came out to this neighborhood, she went to a Hadassah meeting or something, I'm not sure, over at Joy Howard's house. Joy Howard lived about four blocks from where we live now. We lived on Stillwood Drive and I told her how to get out here. I remember she came back. She said, \"Gee, I don't how anybody could live so far out.\" There was no expressways then ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7731.0,7754.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, where was Stillwood Drive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7754.0,7756.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's over on Virginia Avenue, starting. It goes over there to Briarcliffe Road. And it wasn't two years later, we were out here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7756.0,7765.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you build this house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7765.0,7767.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. I told my wife ... Well, I was busy. I said, \"If you want a house, if you find one that you like, I don't have the time,\" where I was with Abrams, \"to build a house,\" but we were not house builders. We were strictly commercial business. So, she found this house here and we bought the house. And we've been here now for 34 years. My next door neighbor at that time was Israel Shapiro, who was president of Butler's Shoes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7767.0,7796.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I also read in this book, \"The Man in the Back\"—I can't remember the name right now—also had something to do with Butler's shoes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7796.0,7804.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, Dave Slann.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7804.0,7805.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Did he build ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7805.0,7807.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e They were together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7807.0,7811.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I did not realize that that was a Jewish company. Is this man still, Dave Slann ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7811.0,7815.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no, he's been dead for a number of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7815.0,7817.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Does he still have family in Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7817.0,7820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e He has a daughter. Gee, I can't think of her [name]. Yes, I can't think of the ... I know the fella she married. Very nice fella and he made it very successful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7820.0,7834.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e But the Shapiro man that lived next door to you, was also in the Butler's shoe business?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7834.0,7838.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, matter of fact, he was from ... I think it was Augusta [Georgia] they started. In other words, there was two shoe companies that got together. Dave Slant had the shoe company. I think they really started in Florida, came to Atlanta, and they merged. I mean, right now ... I went blank on what it ... They had ... Ben Pollock was with them in business, and they had what they called Marilyn Shoe Store and Butler's was ... They were ... I think, Butler's and Marilyn joined together, something like that. And their biggest competitor was ... One was Chandler's and Edison Brothers. They originally started in Atlanta, too, the Edison Brothers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7838.0,7886.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, that is still not around anymore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7886.0,7888.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Edison? Edison?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7888.0,7889.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Edison?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7889.0,7889.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Edison? Edison? The shoe company? Oh, yes, it's very large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7889.0,7892.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Manufacturing; not a retail store?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7892.0,7895.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no, they had retail stores. They were a retail business. They had thousands of stores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7895.0,7899.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Edison Brothers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7899.0,7900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, they started in Atlanta. I don't know whether it's under ... whether somebody bought them out, one of these mergers in recent years, though. But they moved to St. Louis. 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Now, the ZOA, for a while, they tapered off. I think when Israel became a state, people looked and said, \"Well, a Zionist organization is no longer required,\" although it's an error. They still need it. But people ... At one time they had a very big membership in Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7938.0,7965.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Before everything else started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=7965.0,7966.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is before Israel really was founded as a country. As I said, after Israel was established, then they began to taper off. Our membership then, one time, they—I may be exaggerating—maybe had at least four, 500 people. It went down maybe to a 150. Today, they're trying to make it come back. I don't know how successful they are right now. 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I mean, a lot of the organizations, I just pay dues. I never go to them. I know I very rarely ever go to a B'nai B'rith meeting. 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Oh, I helped out when it first started years ago, but I never really became active.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8018.0,8027.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Who do you think were some strong influences on your life? People that helped guide you or ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8027.0,8038.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if I'd have an image to follow because I said, being an architect, there were no people that I could look to when I came up that way. You once asked me the question how I thought about architecture. I remember there was a fellow, was Dun Lewinstein. His wife was a playmate of my mother's in Europe. They came here. He was in the electric business. He finally went into building. I sort of emulated him to a certain extent, but that's the ... As I said, there was no Jewish architects in Atlanta to look up to. Because I don't think there were ... When I got my license, I think I was either the—to my knowledge—third or fourth Jew, about the fourth Jewish person that had a state architectural license that was in Atlanta. Now, there are quite a number. There are some big influential architects today, like Cooper and Cooper, and Jova/Daniels/Busby, and big architectural firms are strictly ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8038.0,8102.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Cooper and Cooper? 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It's Cooper and ... Whatever. Whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8109.0,8113.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8113.0,8113.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever. Whatever. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8113.0,8115.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I have no other questions. I wondered if, in going back over your notes, if you had maybe come across some things that you think might be interesting to have on tape for posterity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8115.0,8129.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, matter of fact, I tell you. I was trying to get up the history of my family that I've been having a little difficulty [with] right now because I've been getting some ... I found out. I think I have some additional cousins I've never heard of from South America. But I did have some interesting things looking up my family tree, though, starting back in the 1890s, back when they first came, by going to the Atlanta Historical Society and reviewing the city directories of those dates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8129.0,8168.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I know this is on the other tape. Your father's father, Joseph, came to Atlanta in ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8168.0,8176.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e In the early ... about 1891, 92. I'm not sure. Because, as I said, the first mention of him in the AA minutes, I think it was in 1893, so he had to ... I don't know whether he came over with all his family at one time or they came back later. I'm trying to find out. I don't know how I can. If I go through the archives in Washington, D.C. and see if I can come across whether they came across on a boat together. I don't know. It is unfortunately, I do have a cousin, but he never was really family conscious. He's older than I am. He's still living in Florida. But he hadn't lived in Atlanta, I guess in 60 years, so he wouldn't know. 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No. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8232.0,8235.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8235.0,8235.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e No. No. Nobody is here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8235.0,8236.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And they are younger. Well, I have one cousin that's about nine months older than I am, but she was never family conscious. She lives in Atlanta. But the cousins I'm going to visit in Washington, they're younger than I am and they are the only two cousins on my father's sister's side that are living up there. These two cousins I'm speaking about, one lives in Florida and one here [are] the children of another one of my father's sisters. Otherwise, there were no more children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8236.0,8269.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And the cousin that is here does not really ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8269.0,8272.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I asked her to look up a certain picture that I know she had, and she said she did, and she didn't find it. I know she didn't look good because I have a copy of that picture. That's the picture that has a date on it. It's embossed. It was taken in 1895 of my father, and his mother, and his four sisters. I can tell by the embossed date that it was taken in 1895, but I don't know where that picture was taken, whether it was taken in the United States, or it was taken in Europe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8272.0,8310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e When you moved your mother to the Jewish Home, did you go through her things and find anything there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8310.0,8315.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, I have a world of ... My mother had a lot of memorabilia. I have her father's diary written in Yiddish. I think I mentioned that to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8315.0,8326.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, that Cantor Goodfriend is ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8326.0,8328.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/866","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I've had to have Cantor Goodfriend interpret. I remember some of the little things. I tried to read between the lines of the little I could read in the letters that he had written that he'd stayed in Atlanta. It cost him, oh, something like three dollars a week to live here, and he had his meals, and things like this. I also have some postal cards, love letters, that one of my mother's boyfriends, so to speak, from Europe, from her hometown that's all written in Yiddish. My mother had saved those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8328.0,8360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/867","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Did your parents speak English well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8360.0,8363.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. My parents, they didn't even speak broken English, to my knowledge. Well, they were schooled here, most of them. Well, they weren't schooled ... They did learn here because they came ... My father had to come here sometime before the 1900s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8363.0,8378.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8378.0,8379.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e And my mother came here in 1906. Even my grandfather never had broken English. They taught me very good English. Now, as I was growing up with them, they spoke Yiddish in the house and that's how I learned my Yiddish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8379.0,8400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And I bet your children do not know it at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8400.0,8402.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my son understands some and my daughter does, too, because when my father-in-law passed away, my mother-in-law came to live with us, and she spoke Yiddish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8402.0,8413.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e From New Jersey?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8413.0,8414.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e New Jersey. She spoke with a broken type of English. Her father talked with a sort of broken English and her father used to write English phonetically. He wrote in Yiddish. Fluently, right. Fluently, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8414.0,8429.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Fluently, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8429.0,8429.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Fluently, right. Fluently, right. But [when] he used to write us, he wrote phonetically all the time to us. So, we learned. So, theoretically, I ... In my trips to Israel and to Europe where we meet Jewish people that we couldn't speak that language, we could converse a little bit and made ourselves understood because we did understand a little Yiddish. At one time, I used to write a little Yiddish, but I wrote my ... I will never forget. I wrote my grandmother a Yiddish letter, a postal card, and she kept this card. I think somewheres I still have that card. I think somewheres in some of my memorabilia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8429.0,8464.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You need to get that organized too, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8464.0,8466.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/878","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8466.0,8467.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you are on a good track, though. You have gotten a lot of information down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8467.0,8471.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've got it broken down. It's never been compiled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8471.0,8475.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Put into a logical sequence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8475.0,8476.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/882","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, like a sequence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8476.0,8477.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/883","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e But that would be easy for somebody to do once it is down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8477.0,8480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Well, even just like when we celebrated our 50th anniversary, we were in Florida. My daughter came down here and rummaged through all my stuff I had. I had moving pictures taken, oh, back when my son was ... shortly after he was born. She rummaged through it and took a lot of film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8480.0,8501.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e And put it on a VCR [video cassette recorder]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8501.0,8503.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e I had them in individual boxes and each box had a postmark date. She came down and just took the boxes, and took the film out, and everything is now lost chronologically. Oh, no. Oh, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8503.0,8517.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8517.0,8517.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/888","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no. Oh, no. My son, I said, was a table tennis player. She has in one ... I betcha a segment of about 15 or 20 minutes. She has him playing table tennis in several exhibitions that I never would have put in there, maybe one of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8517.0,8532.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/889","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, it is nice to have a record but it kinda messes up your history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8532.0,8535.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/890","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but she did ... But I mean, I was keeping it someday to keep it in chronological order. Yes. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8535.0,8539.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/891","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8539.0,8539.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/892","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. Because even ... It wasn't dated, but the film, when I sent it off and had it processed, it would come back [and say], \"This was June 1959 or September 1961,\" or whatever it happened to be. All this is lost. She saved the boxes, but I have no way of knowing how to put them back again. The film that she made for us, you see where my son was maybe one year or two years old. All of a sudden, he's seven years old, and going back now while he was three years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8539.0,8569.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/893","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, so it is not in any order either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8569.0,8570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/894","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not in chronological order because she gave it to the photographer, all these films, to put them together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8570.0,8575.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/895","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8575.0,8576.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/896","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e He not knowing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8576.0,8578.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/897","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Well, you still have the original film?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8578.0,8580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/898","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I've got the original film, but it's not dated anymore because the boxes were dated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8580.0,8586.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/899","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8586.0,8588.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/900","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I even have a lot of slides that I had made years ago of all of my trips to Europe. My first trip to Europe was in 1961. We were gone for 31 days. And that was also my ... We went over to Europe. The first trip we made to Israel was back then. Since then, we have made seven or eight trips to Israel. In our travels, we have touched every continent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8588.0,8616.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/901","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e You said you did go back to where your family was born, or no?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8616.0,8620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/902","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e No. I had a friend of mine that went back. He wanted to see where his grandparents might have been buried. It's in a town called Bransk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8620.0,8629.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/903","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you showed me the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8629.0,8630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. It was Russia and Poland. And the Russian soldiers were extremely rude to him. They almost were threatening to throw him into jail. He was with his daughter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8630.0,8642.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e So, he decided he better not push too much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8642.0,8649.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/906","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. But he couldn't find anything because everything was probably destroyed. The Nazis and the Germans destroyed everything. So, I didn't know until just in the last month, I've corresponded with a cousin of mine in the South America, that he told me about some of the cousins we had that were killed in the ghetto and in the concentration camps. I knew no one got out, so what was there, I knew had to be destroyed. But he knew some of these people. He's now, from what I gathered, he is pretty close to my age. I think maybe he's 75 now. So, he remembers some things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8649.0,8687.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/907","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e But fortunately, your family was over here long before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8687.0,8690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/908","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e All my family was here. My mother's family and my father's were here in this country. As I said, I was fortunate to have both sets of my grandparents living for quite some time, but I regret to this day I never asked them questions. I'd have loved to have known some things. Now, I do have a picture of my mother's grandfather taken with his second wife. I've got that picture that was taken there and matter of fact, I think I told you, she had some pictures that was taken in the house they lived in. That is right. That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8690.0,8734.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/909","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e That is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8734.0,8734.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/910","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That is right. That is right. She had pictures of the curtains in the house. And my mother used to tell me stories about how they lived in this house in Russia. They had dirt floors. They had a great big oven they used to cook in, and she said in the wintertime—great big brick oven—they used to sleep around the oven to keep warm. They used to have a cellar and that's where they used to keep their vegetables, down in the cellar. Keep it cold. Keep it cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8734.0,8757.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/911","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Keep it cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8757.0,8757.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/912","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Keep it cold. Keep it cold. To keep it cold. They used to take the ice from the river in big chunks and put it down there to keep things cold. Potatoes they kept there. That was their only refrigeration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8757.0,8767.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Hopefully, you know, we will make copies of this for you so your children will have the tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8767.0,8771.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That'd be lovely to have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8771.0,8772.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it is easier ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8772.0,8773.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, I'll probably think of some things I should have told you, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8773.0,8775.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e But it is probably easier for somebody else to come in and interview than it is to sit down with your family to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8775.0,8781.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if I asked the family, you'll be asked maybe specific questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8781.0,8786.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, and this is a little more general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8786.0,8788.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eGolden:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8788.0,8789.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161/transcript/86693/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCristol:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, well, I am gonna stop the tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/163149/file/297161#t=8789.0,8793.0"}]}]}]}