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He grew up with his two brothers, Alan and Robert, as well as his parents. He graduated from the University of North Carolina with a Bachelor of Science. After college, Ackerman served in the United States Army for two years before continuing his education at the Emory University School of Law. Additionally, he pursued a graduate degree in Anthropology from Georgia State University. Ackerman has two children: Carlyn and Paige. He was a prominent figure in the Atlanta Commercial Real Estate world and eventually established his own company, Ackerman \u0026amp; Co, in 1967. He later established Ackerman Security Systems Inc. after receiving injuries during a robbery in his home. Ackerman was heavily involved in the Atlanta community and was the Founder of REAP Atlanta, National Board of Governors for the American Jewish Committee, Chairman of the Board and Advisory Board Member for Emory University's Michael C. Carlos Museum, Board of Trustees Clark Atlanta University, Advisory Board of the University of North Carolina, and many other leadership positions. He was a part of Temple Sinai, who held his memorial service for his passing on September 22, 2017.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eCharles Ackerman starts the interview by reflecting on his family and upbringing in New York. He discusses his Jewish life growing up and how his interest in racial equality carries over into his role on the Board of Clark Atlanta University and the REAP program. Ackerman discusses his time in the United States Army before attending Emory Law School after serving in the CIA. He details his entrance into the real estate industry and his success as a leasing agent. Ackerman then explains his motivation for getting a graduate degree in anthropology after his trip to Russia. He switches back to the topic of real estate and how he established his own real estate agency, as well as his experience as a businessman. Ackerman recalls some of his major life-changing events, including an expedition to the Antarctic for National Geographic, a robbery that occurred in his home, and his family. He discusses how the home invasion inspired him to start his own security company. Ackerman talks about his family at the time of the recording. Lastly, he reflects on his greatest contributions to charity and involvement in politics.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/28924"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Ackerman \u0026amp; Co (corporate name)","Ackerman Security Systems Inc (corporate name)","University of North Carolina (corporate name)","Emory Law School (corporate name)","Real Estate (topical term)","Atlanta, Georgia (geographic term)","New York, New York (geographic term)","Russia (geographic term)","REAP Program (topical term)","Clark Atlanta University (corporate name)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCharles Ackerman interviewed by Sara Ghitis on October 2, 2005 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eCharles Ackerman was born on September 10, 1933, in New York, New York. He grew up with his two brothers, Alan and Robert, as well as his parents. He graduated from the University of North Carolina with a Bachelor of Science. After college, Ackerman served in the United States Army for two years before continuing his education at the Emory University School of Law. Additionally, he pursued a graduate degree in Anthropology from Georgia State University. Ackerman has two children: Carlyn and Paige. He was a prominent figure in the Atlanta Commercial Real Estate world and eventually established his own company, Ackerman \u0026amp; Co, in 1967. He later established Ackerman Security Systems Inc. after receiving injuries during a robbery in his home. Ackerman was heavily involved in the Atlanta community and was the Founder of REAP Atlanta, National Board of Governors for the American Jewish Committee, Chairman of the Board and Advisory Board Member for Emory University's Michael C. Carlos Museum, Board of Trustees Clark Atlanta University, Advisory Board of the University of North Carolina, and many other leadership positions. He was a part of Temple Sinai, who held his memorial service for his passing on September 22, 2017.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eCharles Ackerman starts the interview by reflecting on his family and upbringing in New York. He discusses his Jewish life growing up and how his interest in racial equality carries over into his role on the Board of Clark Atlanta University and the REAP program. Ackerman discusses his time in the United States Army before attending Emory Law School after serving in the CIA. He details his entrance into the real estate industry and his success as a leasing agent. Ackerman then explains his motivation for getting a graduate degree in anthropology after his trip to Russia. He switches back to the topic of real estate and how he established his own real estate agency, as well as his experience as a businessman. Ackerman recalls some of his major life-changing events, including an expedition to the Antarctic for National Geographic, a robbery that occurred in his home, and his family. He discusses how the home invasion inspired him to start his own security company. Ackerman talks about his family at the time of the recording. Lastly, he reflects on his greatest contributions to charity and involvement in politics.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/165/034/small/Ackerman_Charles.mp4_1660674812.jpg?1660674812","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Ackerman_Charles.mp4"]},"duration":7378.372,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/165/034/small/Ackerman_Charles.mp4_1660674812.jpg?1660674812","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-thebreman.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/165/034/original/Ackerman_Charles.mp4?1660674810","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":7378.372,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Ackerman, Charles [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GHITIS: [Start] by leaving your name, your birth date, and your birthplace;\nthe feel of who you are.\n\nACKERMAN: My name is Charles Ackerman. I was born in New York City [New York] in\nSeptember 1933.\n\nGHITIS: What do you know about your ancestors?\n\nACKERMAN: I know that my ancestors came from Russia and Austria .\n\nGHITIS: Do you remember why they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came?\n\nACKERMAN: My grandfather, he gave me a sweater when I was a young man. It was an\nextraordinarily thick, I'd never seen a sweater so thick before. That he wore\ncrossing Russia. The Cossacks were chasing him out of the country because he\ndidn't want to be in the army, the Russian army. He came out of Russia. That was\njust about at the turn of the century. My father's father and mother ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came from\nAustria. [indistinct 1:03]\n\nGHITIS: Do you know their names of your grandparents?\n\nACKERMAN: My grandfather's name in Russian was Tchekona, Tchekonavetsky [sp],\nbut he changed it to Auerbach when he came through immigration at Ellis Island.\nOr they changed it from Tchekonavetsky to Auerbach. My father's name, his family\nwas Ackerman.\n\nGHITIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were talking about your grandfather on your . . .\n\nACKERMAN: My mother's side.\n\nGHITIS: What about the other side of the family?\n\nACKERMAN: Those were the ones who came from Austria. I never met my grandfather,\nmy father's father, because my grandmother separated and he never, he just disappeared.\n\nGHITIS: Where did they first settle?\n\nACKERMAN: In New ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"York\n\nGHITIS: Do you know your Hebrew name?\n\nACKERMAN: I should, but I've forgotten it.\n\nGHITIS: Tell me about the early years of your life. What are your memories of\nthe early years of your life? What do you remember from that time?\n\nACKERMAN: That's an interesting question. I have dreary memories of the early\nyears of my life. I was born in the middle of the Depression . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We used to spend.\nWe lived on Riverside Drive in New York. Also in the summer, my mother would\ntake us to, to a place called Ronkonkoma, Lake Ronkonkoma, which was just about\nan hour out of New York. My father would commute. I had a very nice childhood. I\nhad good companions. We. the school was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very extraordinary. I had a teacher\nnamed Mr. Sheretsky [sp], who was the principal of the school I went to. who\ntook a great deal of interest in the children. You felt comfortable, you felt\nsecure even though there was this terrible economic malaise. I never felt it.\n\nGHITIS: What were your parents' names?\n\nACKERMAN: Myron and Leona.\n\nGHITIS: What did your father do for a living?\n\nACKERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's an interesting question as well. My father was a very unusual\nman. One of the brightest people I've ever met. Extraordinarily handsome. He was\nvery bold and very aggressive and yet very conservative in his lifestyle. When\nthe Depression came, he lost all the money that he had. He was only about 26\nyears old. 27. He saw an ad in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"paper for a marketing executive for Pendleton\nMills, to be located in New York. He grew a mustache to look older, got on a\ntrain and went out to Portland, Oregon. He met a man named Bishop, who was the\nchairman of the Board and the owner of the company, the major owner, the major\nshareholder, who never in a million years would have hired someone who was\nJewish. For some reason he didn't think ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my father was Jewish, which I think is\namusing because he was very Jewish. He hired my dad and my dad worked for him\nand made the company a lot of money and finally became president of the company.\nIn the later 1930s my father was named one of the ten most outstanding\nexecutives in America. He went from being broke in the early 30s to being a\nsuccessful businessman. 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I saw him maybe three or four times a year.\nBy the time the war came he and my mother ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were having problems and they got\ndivorced by the time I was 13 in 1946.\n\nGHITIS: What kind of business was it?\n\nACKERMAN: They manufactured the liners of neckties. They were the world's\nlargest manufacturer. In 1952, I got a call from my father. He said, \"I just was\nfired.\" Old Man Bishop, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who loved my father like a son, had two other sons, or\ntwo sons, and when my father, when Mr. Bishop died, the two sons fired my dad\nbecause he had no contract. My father did everything on the highest level of\nintegrity you could imagine, and he did everything on a handshake. He had no\ncontract, so they fired him. He went out and bought two mills in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mt. Holyoke\n[Massachusettts] and somewhere else and recaptured all the business and ended up\nbeing the largest manufacturer in the world.\n\nGHITIS: What impact did your parents' trouble have on the family, the children?\n\nACKERMAN: There was a lot of tension in the house when they were together, but\nthey weren't together all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that often because my father was always traveling. He\ntraveled overseas a lot and down to South America and so forth. When they got\ndivorced the tension was gone.\n\nGHITIS: Any siblings?\n\nACKERMAN: I had two brothers.\n\nGHITIS: What are their names?\n\nACKERMAN: Alan and Robert.\n\nGHITIS: Where are they?\n\nACKERMAN: My older brother died the last, two years ago. My other brother's a\ndoctor at Mass ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"General.\n\nGHITIS: What about your Jewish life in those growing up years?\n\nACKERMAN: My father was very disciplined about religion. Every Friday night we\nhad the prayers. My job was to buy the challah. I'd go to the store to buy it.\nWe always spent every Friday evening at home, having ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dinner and thinking about\nreligion. I went to B'nai Jeshurun synagogue where Rabbi Goldstein was the head\nrabbi. I got bar mitzvah . I became the president of Young Judaea at the age of\n14. I was very involved with Israel at a young age. 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Always ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talking about the political situation, mainly referring to the\nJewish world. Rosh Hashanah, because it was the beginning of the new year, my\nfather would ask us to talk about that year. What was good and what was bad or\nwhat we were going to do better in the new year. That's what I remember most\nabout Rosh Hashanah.\n\nGHITIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What does your mother's name. I'm sorry, describe your mother. What was\nshe like?\n\nACKERMAN: She was an extraordinarily caring and loving woman. She was the most\nloyal person that you'd ever imagine. Whenever you needed her, she was there.\nYou never had to question it. 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Nobody\nin the audience knew the difference, but afterwards he got very angry with me.\nHe said, \"I should make you get bar mitzvahed all over again.\" I said, \"No it's\nfine, that's enough.\"\n\nGHITIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you remember what portion it was?\n\nACKERMAN: I don't.\n\nGHITIS: Do you think, looking back, that was any rejection because you were a\nJew. in those years?\n\nACKERMAN: I lived in a neighborhood that was bordered with a very large Catholic\npopulation. There was constant battle between them and us. It was always very\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"evident that you were known to be Jewish, you were hated to be Jewish. I\nremember getting into some long battles. What happened with my group, I had a\ngroup of Jewish friends and we used to be in the street all the time. They would\npick me to fight whoever there was a fight with. So that I'd end up winning\nsometimes but end up getting beat up a lot of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"times, but I was always out there.\n\nGHITIS: Did your parents have any particular aspirations for you, did they want\nyou to be a certain kind of professional. Did you remember that?\n\nACKERMAN: My father who never went to college and who, as I said, was\nextraordinarily bright didn't want any of us to go to college. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thought it was\na total waste of time. Thought working was the way of life. He was a very\ndiligent worker. My father was so disciplined that when I grew up, when I was\nsick, I could never stay home. I had the best attendance record in the school,\nfor five years I had the best attendance record. I could never stay home. He\nwould never allow it. 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I also played baseball.\nI was a boy scout, and again I was with Young Judaea.\n\nGHITIS: In those years, how did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you as a young, youngster relate to Israel, to\nthe Stale of Israel?\n\nACKERMAN: Through Young Judaea I related to it very strongly, very positively. I\nhad often thought of moving there when I got older, and I came very close to\ndoing that when I was about 32 or 3. I had somehow. I don't know how my name\ncame up, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the State of Israel sent a general over from the Israeli Air Force\nto talk to me. Then I went over to Israel and met General Yariv, who was the\nhead of Intelligence. I was in the military. I had the highest security\nclearance you could get in the United States. I was in a very sensitive area,\ntaking all the incoming messages from or espionage overseas in Russia and other\ncountries. I met General ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yariv, and he took me into some areas of Intelligence\nin Israel that were very fascinating and wanted me to move to Israel, and I came\nvery close to doing that. I did not do it because my wife wouldn't do it.\n\nGHITIS: Let's go back in time once more and...\n\nACKERMAN: There's one. there's one thing I just forgot to tell you about my high\nschool ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"days. You hear of Richard Wright , the author, he wrote books about young\nAfro-Americans. I'd read all of his books when I was just a sophomore I high\nschool. I became very influenced by him. The school that I went to was all\nwhite. It had no black students. I went to the Board of Trustees meeting. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nasked to be invited. Because I was the president of my class, I had the right to\ndo that. I insisted that they give four scholarships to black students. That was\nin 1949. The school rejected that idea. I went back again and again and again. I\nfinally got the NAACP to help me, and we integrated the school. Today it's got ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a\nfairly strong black population.\n\nGHITIS: Did that sentiment carry over into the present, about racial equality?\n\nACKERMAN: Oh yes.\n\nGHITIS: How?\n\nACKERMAN: I sit on the Board of Clark Atlanta University . I'm very involved in\nREAP. I started the REAP program, which is a program for young Afro-Americans. I\nwant to explain that program, because it's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very important; that program is\nsomething that is very important to me. I attended a Jewish American committee\nmeeting in Washington. Having lunch with my lawyer, who is the president of that\nchapter, and while I was there, I sat next to a man named Michael Bush, who is\nvery active in American, in the American Jewish Committee . 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There were very few minorities in it.\nHe got some of the bigger companies in Washington to put up the money to train\nyoung blacks, for nothing, in a program to learn ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"management. They then networked\nthrough these companies at networking parties. These companies agreed to give\nthese men. these young men and women, a job as an intern. That program turned\nout to be very successful. When I heard about it, I said, \"I've got to do that\nin Atlanta.\" I came to Atlanta, came back home, and went to the American Jewish\nCommittee and got them to agree to support that program here, along with Clark\nAtlanta University. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We now have a program that has educated almost 180 black\nstudents who are now working for real estate companies. When you look at their\nrecord, they get hired as interns, within two years most of them are promoted to\nother jobs of some significance. They've done very well.\n\nGHITIS: What year was that when the idea was planted in your head?\n\nACKERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"2000.\n\nGHITIS: Let's go back to your college years. Where did you go to college?\n\nACKERMAN: My father moved his business to North Carolina from Mt. Holyoke. He\nfinally said to me one day, 'You know if you go to college, I want you to get\ntrained to take over my business.\" So, I went ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to North Carolina State for two\nyears to learn textile engineering, which I hated. I worked for my father,\nactually worked my way through college, because I wouldn't take any money from\nhim, so I'd work for him. Every afternoon I would go out and sell to different\nclients he had across the state. I realized I didn't like that business. There\nwas no creativity to it. It was. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought, a dead end. I had transferred from\nthere to the University of North Carolina , where I majored in business.\n\nGHITIS: What other memories of your years in college?\n\nACKERMAN: Being in North Carolina was soil of a revelation to me, because it was\nin the Deep South, and it was a very different kind of world. 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I managed to survive all\nthat with making great friends and connections in the Christian community,\nbringing them into the Jewish world in a way they had never been ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"before. Like if\nyou remember Senator Ervin, from the North Carolina, his daughter Laura and I\nbecame very good friends. She became somebody who had been antisemitic who\nbecame somebody who suddenly found that Jews were delightful. They were people\nwho she could really talk to and get along with. Then there was the daughter of\nanother senator. Senator Wayne Morris , and I did the same thing with her. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nspent a lot of time working with different groups at the University of North\nCarolina. Then [I] got the first independent candidate elected to office. No\nindependent candidate had ever been elected in the history of the school. I took\nthis fellow and ran his campaign and directed him as to how to run that\ncampaign. Then he won the election.\n\nGHITIS: What was his name?\n\nACKERMAN: It's been so long already that I have forgotten. He wasn't Jewish\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"though. GHITIS: Politically, which way did you lean in those years?\n\nACKERMAN: I was a big fan of Adlai Stevenson's , so I was very liberal and very\ninto democratic thinking.\n\nGHITIS: Can you say something about your social life as a young man?\n\nACKERMAN: I never drank, I never had a drink until I was a senior in college. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nwas very health inclined; sports were very important to me. I married; my first\nmarriage was to a young woman that I met at the University of North Carolina.\nHer name was Mary Klenky [sp]. I belonged to the ZBT [Zeta Beta Tau] fraternity\n. I had a very good social life, but I was not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ever in the mainstream of things.\nI always liked to be on the periphery. I never really enjoyed the mainstream.\n\nGHITIS: Are there any influential individuals from that era that you can think of?\n\nACKERMAN: Yes. A man named Walter Huntley, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who was my economics teacher. He and\nI became very good personal friends. He got me very interested in economics, and\nI wrote a paper that he asked to be published. I spent a lot of time with him.\nEven after college.\n\nGHITIS: Is there something specific that you learned from him?\n\nACKERMAN: I learned that the world of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"economics was much deeper and greater and\nmore meaningful than I had ever thought. In fact, he reminded of this fellow.\nSteve Levitt , who wrote the book Freakonomics , which really is cultural\neconomics, as that sort of was what Huntley was into at that time. The other\nperson that influenced me was another man by the name. I have to remember his\nname. He was that fellow on TV ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that died. He used to do travels with somebody on Sundays.\n\nGHITIS: [indistinct: 27:33]\n\nACKERMAN: Pardon? Walter Kuralt. No. Yeah, Charles Kuralt .\n\nGHITIS: Charles Kuralt.\n\nACKERMAN: I worked with Charles Kuralt on the Daily Tarheel , the paper, and he\nand I became friends. He influenced my life in another way. He gave me a vision\nabout how to really deal with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the issues that would be constant in those days,\nand that was the liberal thinking person like myself facing the conservative\npeople in the south, he was a southerner who understood both sides of the coin.\nWe later in life we connected again.\n\nGHITIS: What happened after college?\n\nACKERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. I volunteered for the United States Army.\n\nGHITIS: In what capacity? In what capacity did you serve?\n\nACKERMAN: I served in Intelligence.\n\nGHITIS: What were those days like? What are your memories?\n\nACKERMAN: They were exciting. I mean, I was on the inside of what was going on\nall over the world. 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Eisenhower's fear of\nthe Russians was so great that he came on television and said he knew nothing\nabout it and insisted that both sides, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"particularly the Allied side, cease and\ndesist that invasion, which was a terrible mistake.\n\nGHITIS: Can you give me more details of your work in intelligence?\n\nACKERMAN: No.\n\nGHITIS: Why are you saying no?\n\nACKERMAN: Because I really. 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I can remember the\nRussians firing a certain rocket, and I got four reports from four ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"different\nsources as to the capacity of that rocket, how high it would go. how far its\nrange was. its fuel capacity, the number of rockets the Russians intended to\nproduce, I mean it was so, it was such confirming information. Most people would\nbe surprised that we would have had that many sources available. At the firing\nof the rocket, I mean, those reports came in from the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"site, which was very impressive.\n\nGHITIS: I heard you say. \"In those days.\" how good intelligence was in those\ndays. What do you think of these days?\n\nACKERMAN: I think it's far less effective, far less effective.\n\nGHITIS: How do you explain that?\n\nACKERMAN: The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CIA [Central Intelligence Agency] and some of our other\nintelligence agencies were muted by Congress when they passed certain laws\nprohibiting them from acting in certain ways and having to acknowledge what they\nwere doing. They've got to be totally in control of what they're doing, and they\ncan't make public that, their ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"undertakings, whether it's past or present.\n\nGHITIS: How come you decided to volunteer in the Army? What made you do that?\n\nACKERMAN: I just knew that I would be drafted , so I just wanted to get in and\nget on with it.\n\nGHITIS: Looking back, what do you think of that decision?\n\nACKERMAN: It was a smart ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"decision.\n\nGHITIS: When were you discharged and at what rank?\n\nACKERMAN: I was discharged in 1957 as a corporal in the United States Army.\n\nGHITIS: What happened after the army?\n\nACKERMAN: I came here.\n\nGHITIS: Why? 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I had\nnever seen Texas before, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I decided to make this a tour of the country on the\nway back to the East. When I got to Atlanta, I ran out of money. I was Hat\nbroke. I had made a deal with my dad, that I would never again ask him for money\nafter I was 18. I never did. So, I was here in Atlanta. I was living in the\nShelton Hotel for a buck and a half a day. I would go down at lunch to Jacob's\nDrug Store at Five Points, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where they had free pickles and free saltines. I'd\neat lunch, and I'd manage to scrounge up something for dinner, but I couldn't\nget a job. Nobody would hire me. I spent two months here, and I would take odd\njobs cutting grass, doing dishes, doing anything.\n\nGHITIS: How old were you?\n\nACKERMAN: I think I was 23.\n\nGHITIS: Do any individuals come to your mind ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from that time of your life?\n\nACKERMAN: Yes. I can remember very well being interviewed by one man whose name\nI've forgotten, and which I don't want to remember, who looked at me and said,\n\"Do you really think I'd hire a Jewish boy from New York to work here in\nAtlanta?\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2100.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was just so up front about it, his prejudice, that I was stunned by\nthat. Then there were some people like Bullet Bressler that I met. it was Hersh\nBressler's father, and they were very nice to me. Then I met SJ Mendel, of the\nMendel family, and they were very nice to me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After I got a job, with Sam\nGoldberg at Alan Grayson Reality Company, I met these other people, and they\nwere very supportive, and the one who was the most, who was my biggest fan, who\nhelped me the most was Ben Massell. When I came here. every building I went into\nhad an Alan Grayson management sign, so I begin to think that these people\ndominated Atlanta, that they owned the city. I went ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by, because by now it was\ngetting very difficult for me to see the, to see Sam Goldberg, and I waited\noutside his office all afternoon. Finally, I walked, and I sat down. He said,\n\"What do you want?\" I said, \"I would like to have a job. I'll work for almost\nnothing.\" I told him that up front. We called Sam Massell, Jr. , over, who was\nthen working for him. Sam Massell looked at me and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, \"Do you think you can\nsucceed at real estate? You're from New York, you don't know anything about\nAtlanta, you're starting over.\" He said, \"You really have to think about whether\nyou want to do this or not.'\" I said, \"I want to do it and I'll do it for as\nlittle as a hundred dollars a month.\" That was a draw, that wasn't even a\nsalary. I started working for a hundred dollars a month, and inside of two years\nI was the most ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"successful real estate man in the company, and then became the\nmost successful leasing agent in the city of Atlanta.\n\nGHITIS: What made you so successful?\n\nACKERMAN: I was driven. I worked seven days a week, almost every night. I was\ndriven to succeed because I knew it was a great opportunity. Plus, what was\ngoing on, there was a transition going on. All these, all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the salesmen in the\ncompany had been there for years, and they were used to having the phone ring\nbecause there was a shortage of space after the war, and people would call up on\nthe phone and give them orders, I need five thousand feet here, ten thousand\nfeet there, so they were order takers. By the time that I came along there was.\nthe system was changing, there was a supply of space that had to be rented. You\nhad to go out to get that. I was reminded of that last night ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I was\nmaking a speech to eighty real estate people from around the country about the\nearly years of Atlanta. The Atlanta Real Estate Board called me in. They were\ngoing to withdraw my license, they were going to complain to the state because I\nwould go into buildings and call on companies to move, and in those days all the\nbuildings in Atlanta were owned by the power structure, men like the Healeys.\nBill Oliver, and they got together and tried ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to keep, prevent me from having my\nlicense. I went to the Real Estate Board, and I said, \"I want to talk to these\nmen.\" The Real estate Board wrote me a letter that my license was in jeopardy,\nand I had to cease and desist making cold calls. I went before the power\nstructure of Atlanta. John O. Childs was one of the men included in that, and I\nsaid, \"I'm not going to do that, but legally, you can't remove ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my license\nbecause legally I haven't done anything wrong. If you want me to prohibit me\nfrom coming into your building, then you have to write me a letter, but then\nI'll never lease any of your space.\" But I had got a reputation for being so\ngood at what I was doing that nobody wanted to have me not lease their space.\nThey finally left me alone.\n\nGHITIS: When you first came to Atlanta and you were looking for a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"job, did you\nreach out to the organized Jewish community [indistinct: 40:06]\n\nACKERMAN: No.\n\nGHITIS: How did you get to Sam Massell?\n\nACKERMAN: I just walked into their office.\n\nGHITIS: You mentioned a Mr. Goldberg.\n\nACKERMAN: Sam Goldberg. He was the owner of that company, Alan Grayson, and a\nvery fine man.\n\nGHITIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In those years, those early years in the business world, was the fact\nthat you were a Jew a factor in the acceptance [indistinct: 40:42]?\n\nACKERMAN: No question about that. I can remember, this is soil of an interesting\nstory, because there was a very handsome guy in Atlanta named John Porter who\nworked for Adams and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cates, and John looked just like John Wayne. He was big and\ntall and powerful looking. He was my biggest competitor. He and I would compete\nhead for head for these major deals. One night, there was a fellow in Atlanta\nnamed Eddie Elson, who used to own the Atlanta News Agency. Eddie called me on\nthe phone, \"I was just at a dinner party with this guy, John Porter, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and in\nfront of everybody he called you a dirty Jew. He said the nastiest things about\nyou that you can imagine based on your religion.\" Then there was a guy named\nHairy Bloomfield, who built the building at 1776, I think, from Memphis. I used\nto live at 26th Street, and I came out of my apartment and John Porter and this\nfellow Bloomfield were on the roof of the building. When I walked out, John\nPorter said to Bloomfield. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"See that Ackerman? He's a bad Jew.\" That was John\nPorter's mistake. He and I became very contentious enemies, but he became an\nalcoholic, and none of his fancy friends at the Piedmont Driving Club would help\nhim as he was going through this alcoholic period. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One day, 30 years later, he\ncalls me on the phone. I thought he had disappeared. I didn't know what had ever\nhappened to him. He said, \"I need to talk to you desperately.\" He came to my\noffice, and he sat down, and he said, \"I want to ask you to help me.\" I said,\n\"John, you've got to be kidding. You said the nastiest things about me, about\nbeing Jewish. You're sitting in my office asking me to help you? Why don't you\ngo to your friends? They'll help you.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"None of them will, so I'm\nasking you.\" He was holding this broken pair of glasses, that was all he could\nafford, and he was wearing this tattered shirt. I said, \"But are you still an\nalcoholic?'\" He said, 'No. I'm not. I'm on the wagon.\" He said, \"I know I said\nnasty things about Jews, but I'm not. I'm not thinking about that in that way at\nthis point of my life.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I gave him a job. Then I'll tell you what happened. I\ngave him a job and he wasn't doing anything well for about six months. Then he\nmade this very big deal, made a very good commission, and the next day he died.\nThe commission that he made was not big enough to handle all the debts that he\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had. His family was left without any money, and he had three young children. His\nwife Bertie called me one day and asked if she could come by and see me. I ended\nup putting three of his children through college. His son. John, he, and I are\nvery good friends today. John has the greatest love for the Jewish people of\nanybody I've ever ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"met.\n\nGHITIS: Do you think your Jewish values had something to do with . . .\n\nACKERMAN: There's no question about that. There's no question about that.\n\nGHITIS: In what way?\n\nACKERMAN: It gives you your sense of humanity. It's what being Jewish is all about.\n\nGHITIS: Do you have any other examples like that?\n\nACKERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What comes to mind is not an example like that, but it's another\ntwist. There was a fellow named Harold Ivy, who lived in Atlanta, was a very big\nreal estate developer when I was a young broker. He was an uneducated fellow who\nhated Jews. One night I was in a restaurant, and I was walking out of the\nrestaurant, and he called me over and said, \"Ackerman, how come you're building\nthat ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"black building with that Jew's black?\" I said, \"What are you talking\nabout?\" He said, \"You're building a black building. Only a depressed Jew would\nbuild a black building.\" He said, why are all you Jews depressed?\" He started\ngoing on and on and on until his friend at the table finally cut him off. He\nreally antagonized me, so I went by to see him. I said, \"I want to come over and\ntalk to you confidentially. I'm going to close your door and me and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you are\ngoing to talk about life. I said, \"You know, either you have a terrible\ninferiority complex because your hatred for Jews has something that has nothing\nto do with reality.\" Went through this long conversation. I spent three hours\nwith this man, and never penetrated him. Never could get to his soul, to his\nheart. It was, I walked out of there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"feeling very, very concerned for him. He\nwas such a hateful person. He later committed suicide.\n\nGHITIS: I understand you went to Emory Law School .\n\nACKERMAN: I did. At night.\n\nGHITIS: [indistinct: 46:49]\n\nACKERMAN: Well after I started working here in real estate, I wanted to learn\nsomething about the law, so I went at night. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In those days, those classrooms\nwere not air conditioned, and in the spring and summer in was brutal to stay\nawake after a long day's work. I did that for two or three years.\n\nGHITIS: I also understand you studied anthropology.\n\nACKERMAN: I did.\n\nGHITIS: What made you interested in anthropology?\n\nACKERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I decided in 19, we formed an offshore real estate trust called\nHexilon. which I'll get back to, and I started meeting a lot of Europeans and\nstarted spending a lot of time in Europe. I decided that I wanted to spend more\nof my time traveling than working. The first ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"major trip I made, I look four\nmonths off from work. I got permission after two years of begging. I got it from\nthe Russian Embassy in Moscow, in Washington, permission to backpack through\nRussia, which I don't know that they've ever given to anybody else.\n\nGHITIS: What year was that?\n\nACKERMAN: 1978 that I got to do it, but it took me two years before that to get\npermission. The reason I did it was that I had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dinner one night with a man who\nhad been the finance minister of, of Czechoslovakia under the Dubcek government.\nHe was telling me the story of his life, and how he was, he was obviously\nanti-communist, and the communists were trying to shoot him and kill him, and he\nleft and went to Toronto. Canada. He also mentioned the High Tautra Mountains,\nwhere he was born. 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They said, \"We're not going to\ngrant anybody the right to backpack through our country.\" Somehow, one day I met\nsomebody ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the Embassy who was much easier to deal with, and they gave me a\nvisa. I did the High Tautra Mountains first. Spent two weeks with a bunch of\nGypsies backpacking through Rumania. Then went through Lvov into Russia, where I\nwas immediately arrested and put in prison for six days. The funny thing about\nthe prison, this is very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"amusing. They put me in this cell, and there was a bed,\na cot, and a bowl with two faucets. As soon as I heard the cell lock and I heard\nthe boots of the soldiers walking away, I heard them run back. They opened the\ncell door and this one fellow in perfect English said, \"Don't drink the water,\nit will kill you.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, in spite of all the tension, it just cracked me up that\nthey had that concern that I was going to die from the water, but they didn't\nweren't concerned about locking me up.\n\nGHITIS: In what city were you imprisoned?\n\nACKERMAN: I was on the border of Rumania . 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went into this\nno-man's land, and there really is a no-man's land between Russia and Rumania.\nWhen I got to the border of Rumania. I showed them my visa, and they said, \"You\ncan't come here -- it's expired.\" I said, \"Wait a minute. The Russians are\ngiving me a hard time.\" They said, \"Oh really? How can we help you?\" They\nbrought me a bottle of beer. I sat down and had two or three beers with those\nsoldiers, then they put me to in the jeep, took ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"me to the post office. Wrapped\nthe guns up, sent them back, brought me back to the border and said, \"If you\nhave, have trouble getting in there, you're welcome back here.\" I got back into Russia.\n\nGHITIS: Were you traveling on your own?\n\nACKERMAN: I was with a friend.\n\nGHITIS: Did you attempt to make contact with the Jews from Russia?\n\nACKERMAN: Oh. I did. It was very interesting, because I met a man. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was in a\nrestaurant in, where was I? I've forgotten where I was. In some small town,\nactually. They wouldn't serve me because I was an American. He got so angry that\nhe talked to the manager, or whoever the proprietor was and they brought me a\nmeal like that. Afterwards he came over to the table. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a very charming man\nand he said, \"Would you like to go hear some jazz?\" Not jazz, rock music. I\nsaid, \"I'd love to.\" He took us in his car to a night club. We heard this\nhorrible rock music. Then he sat down at the piano and started playing this\nbeautiful American music. Some of the great show tunes from our country. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said\nto him afterwards, \"Where did you learn to play those show tunes?\" He said,\n\"Listening the, the Voice of America. I can listen to anything and just learn to\nput it down on the keyboard.\" He said, \"What are you doing tomorrow? Why don't\nwe just spend the day together?\" He took me to Yad Vashem , not Yad Vashem, to\nthat big graveyard.\n\nGHITIS: Babi Yar .\n\nACKERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Took me to Babi Yar and said, \"This was one of the great crimes of\nWorld War II.\" He wasn't Jewish, but he had a great empathy for the Jewish\npeople. He was a Communist, but he lived in this beautiful apartment, drove a\ncar. wore French clothes. Italian clothes. I sent four or five days with this\nman, and he said to me one day, \"How would you like to meet some of your Jewish\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brethren?\" I said, \"I would love to.\" He took me to the apartment of a Jewish\ncouple. This fellow was living in a place that was beautifully furnished, had\nnice paintings on the wall. Took me to the home of a Jewish couple. The walls\nwere barren. There was hardly any furniture in the place. We went at night,\nafter 12 o'clock. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The man had a job, he was architect, but he had been designing\nthe same building for twenty-five years. It was a storage shed. He said he could\ntake the communist abuse, but he couldn't take the professional abuse of being\nso cut off from what his abilities were. Then he introduced me to about four or\nfive other Jewish families. Their stories were very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"similar.\n\nGHITIS: Did they talk about Israel in those days?\n\nACKERMAN: No.\n\nGHITIS: Did you, when you came back, did you do something, anything with that\ninformation about Jewish life in Russia?\n\nACKERMAN: I don't think I did.\n\nGHITIS: How long did you travel in Russia?\n\nACKERMAN: For four ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"months.\n\nGHITIS: What was your general impression of the communist world?\n\nACKERMAN: I left that country despising Communism because I saw more poverty\nthere than I saw in India and I saw the repression of the people that was so\nabsolute. It was frightening. They used it against me on a couple of occasions,\nso I could understand how the people felt. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My, I was so impassioned by what I\nsaw that I really believed that we should have invaded Russia. That we had an\nobligation to free these people from that government. The interesting thing\nabout it. I just thought about this, I was walking in a small town somewhere in\nthe Ukraine , and there was a woman with, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she had that . . .\n\nGHITIS: Babushka ?\n\nACKERMAN: Yeah. She crossed the street and came over to me and said, \"You know,\nmy son lives in Israel.\" Never asked me if I was Jewish. Just walked over to me\nand said, \"My son lives in Israel and he's very happy there.\" She did, she was\nthe only one who talked about Israel. She said, \"One day, I'll live ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there.\" So\nJewish people find each other one way or the other.\n\nGHITIS: When did you start your own business?\n\nACKERMAN: In 1967, in February 1967.\n\nGHITIS: What do you remember about those early ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"days?\n\nACKERMAN: It was very risky to do that. I started the company. I borrowed\n$50,000 from Tom Cousins. He and I were good friends, and he lent me the money\nto go into business. I didn't have the capital to do that. Then in turn, I\nleased all of his projects. I refused to hire anybody from an existing company.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought it was a bad thing to do, that that would make people angry, if I\nhired their better people, so I just hired young men and women who were new to\nthe industry and trained them.\n\nACKERMAN: I spent a huge amount of time, many ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hours, training these young men\ninto a formidable work force. Inside of two years our company was the leading\ncompany in Atlanta in office leasing. These young men had no real estate\nexperience prior to that. They were very dedicated and very committed: we were a\ngreat team together. They've all gone on to be very successful. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was like a\nmarine sergeant with them. It was a very disciplined regime of training and work.\n\nGHITIS: Could you expand on that? How do you characterize yourself as a manager.\nespecially at that time?\n\nACKERMAN: I was very demanding. I would never take an excuse for anything. I was\nvery ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"involved with each individual. Wanting them to succeed, helping them think\nthrough. You know, a lot of people have pathways to failure. They don't want to\nsucceed. When you find somebody like that you either have to dismiss them from\nyour organization or reverse their entire thinking. Of the five people I hired\ninitially, one was like that. He would, he was tripping himself up all the time.\nI spent an inordinate amount of time with him, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I learned something from\nthat. I turned him around, but it wasn't worth the effort, because it took so\nlong to do it.\n\nGHITIS: Why did you decide to go into business by yourself? What made you be\nready for that step?\n\nACKERMAN: I'd spent ten years as a broker, and I knew the business backward and\nforward. 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He was exactly the opposite of me. because I was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dark-haired and\nswarthy looking. He was the WASP, and I was the Jew. I walked into his office\none day, and I said, \"I heard you want to build an office building.\" He said,\n\"Yes I do. What credentials do you have?\" I said, \"I've never built an office\nbuilding before, but I know all about it.\" He said, \"So make me a proposal,\" and\nhe was kind of putting me on. The next morning at nine o'clock I had the\nproposal in his hands. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, you know, \"How long did it take you to do this?\"\nI said, \"I stayed up all night.\" He said, \"I've never seen anybody do that\nbefore. You really did. You really want this job, don't you?\" I said, \"Yes, I\ndo.\" \"Well, I'm going to give it to you,\" but he didn't, said, \"But before I\ngive you the job, I want to play tennis with you.\" He wouldn't take me to his\ncountry club. Took me to a public park, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"'because his country club was a WASP\ncountry club. We played tennis. We became friendly; we actually liked each\nother. He was very reserved. He said to me, \"Okay you have the deal, but I'm\ngoing to give you 120 days to perform. If you don't get the loan and the\nfinancing in place and have the building designed in that length of time, the\ndeal is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"off.\" We drew up an agreement. While I was working, this was in Winter\nPark, Florida, while I was working in the city, I ran across the guy who ran the\ntelephone company. I made a deal with him to lease all the other space in the\nbuilding, which was a terrific opportunity for me. This guy Charles Rice, who\nwas on the board of the telephone company, didn't even realize that this was\nhappening. He got ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very embarrassed by the fact that I was able to do that. Then\nI went to the Winter Park Land Company who owned the land that the bank was to\nbe built on. He was on the Board of the land company, but I made a deal with\nthem, and he had no knowledge that I was working with them. Then he found out\nthat I had made this deal with the telephone company, and he decided he wanted\nthe deal himself. He interfered in the financing of the deal. All the things I\nneeded to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"finance a ground lease. Winter Park Land Company refused to do with\nme. I had to abort the loan with them, and I had two days to make the deal. We\nwere down to the last two days. I went to the Atlanta Bank and Trust Company. I\nsaid to the president of that company. \"I have two days to make this deal. Your\nbiggest competitor, you can have the loan on his billing if you'll work with you\nand do this.\" He said, \"Work with you? How can ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do this in two days?\" \"We're\ngoing to work all day and night. We're going to get this done.\" We did, we\nworked all day and night. I ended up with a loan agreement in my hand from the\nAtlanta Bank and Trust Company. Charles Rice had four lawyers around the table,\nand I walked in with nobody but myself and my briefcase. I sat down; I put the\nbriefcase under the table. I sat there. He said to me, and he meant it actually,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was sincere, and he said to me, \"Charlie. I'm very sorry you've lost all this\nmoney on this transaction, but you're not going to get it because you've\nviolated the time constraints and you haven't worked out the deal, so,\ntherefore. I win and you lose.'\" I said, 'You know. Charles, you're not right\nabout that.\" I said, \"I want to show you something that you haven't seen.\" I\npulled the Atlanta Bank and Trust Company loan out of my pocket, out of the\nbriefcase, and set it in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"front of him. His face got beet red he said, \"You.\nhow'd you do that?\" He said, \"That's impossible. How did you get all the things\nthat you needed from the Winter Park Land Company?\" I said, \"I did.\" He said,\n\"Excuse me.\" He was so upset that he got up from the table and walked into his\noffice. I'm sitting there with all these lawyers, and nobody says a word. Twenty\nminutes go by and finally the intercom goes on and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he asks me to go back to his\noffice. I went back to his office. He looked at me and said, \"You know. I can't\ntell the chairman of the board of this bank that I failed him in getting this\ndeal done the way I wanted it done, so you're going to have to have to be kind\nto me. You're going to have to let me take the loan away from the Atlanta Bank\nand Trust Company.\" I said, \"Charles, I don't want to embarrass you, I'll let\nyou do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. I'll tell them, I'll pay them the penalty, it'll cost me some money\nto do that, but I'll do that.\" He said, \"But I want a higher interest rate than\nthey have. I said, \"I'm not going to agree to that.'' He said, \"Yes you will.\" I\nsaid, \"No I won't.\" He finally accepted the fact that I wasn't going to do that.\nHe got very nasty after that. He, when it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came time for the groundbreaking, he\nwouldn't get in the picture. He became very difficult. We had to request some\nthings for his approval during the course of that construction, and he was very\ndifficult. Two about ten years later I'm walking down Peachtree Street and a\ntaxicab pulls up to the curb. The door opens and there's Charles Rice in the\ncab. He said, \"Charlie, get in.\" I said, \"I'm not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going anywhere.\" He said, \"Get\nin. I want to talk to you.\" I got in the cab, he's now the chairman of the whole\nBarnett Bank chain. He looked at me and said, \"I want to apologize to you. It\nhas bothered me all these years that I behaved so badly in our transaction. I\nwant to apologize to you.\" So that was sort of an interesting...\n\nGHITIS: During your years as a businessman, do you feel you have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experienced any\nkind of prejudice, been the victim of prejudice?\n\nACKERMAN: Not really.\n\nGHITIS: What, have you faced challenges of different ethnic groups in the city?\n\nACKERMAN: Oh yes, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mainly with Maynard Jackson . When the city had 80 acres of\nland sitting fallow in downtown they had made into a main over, they were using\nit for urban renewal property. Nobody wanted to build on it. They needed housing\nbuilt. One day I said, \"I'll do it. I'll build housing on that site.\" The reason\nnobody wanted to do it was because it was in a black ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"neighborhood. You know\nwhere Renaissance Park in downtown? That's where I built it on Piedmont and\nNorth Avenue. We built 500 units in there. Maynard Jackson said to me, \"I'll\nsupport you in that effort.\" When I went to, when we announced the project, the\nblack population that lived on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"property, they set up a camp, they paraded\nagainst, they protested against the project. I called Maynard on the phone, I\nsaid, \"Maynard. you need to get your constituents to stop protesting against\nthis project. Let's move on with it.\" We had a meeting down at City Hall and\nthis one woman, who lived on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"property. Her family had been there since the\ndays of slavery. She got up and made the most wonderful speech about her\ninherited right to that property. She didn't want to be displaced. I said to\nMaynard, \"You know this is really upsetting me. that these, this, that we're\ntaking these people out and not giving them an equivalent value. You're going to\nhave to do something about this.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He looked at me and said, \"Are you crazy? I\nhave no obligation to do that.\" I said, \"You have an obligation to your people.\nWhether you believe that or not you're going to have to do it\". He said, \"Well,\nwell I'm not sure I want to.\" These were the, the indigent Afro-Americans he was\ntalking about. He was using them as a political tool. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had no real concern for\nthem. I got very upset with Maynard about that. Then one day about a year later,\nI was building Tower Place and we had Coca Cola willing to take eight floors of\nthe building, which would have been a very big coup for us and would have made\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the building financially sound. As we were bringing the lease from our office in\nTower Place to Coca Cola, the man we were dealing with in called and said to one\nof our agents, \"Don't bother coming. Maynard Jackson just called and said we\ncan't move into your building.\" I got out of my chair, and I went into the car\nand drove down to Maynard Jackson's office at City Hall. He was in a meeting,\nand I opened the door of the meeting. I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maynard, you and I have to talk.\"\nHe came out into the hall. I said, \"What did you just do? You're the mayor of\nthis entire city, not just downtown. You just told Coca Cola that they couldn't\nmove into my building. He said, \"That's right. They're not going to get any city\nbusiness unless they do that. I want them staying in downtown.\" That's the way\nthat was. Later on, Maynard and I had another ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"run-in, which involved him putting\nsomebody into a deal that I was involved in that had a prison record. I went\ndown and chastised him about that and he looked at me and said, \"Well, it's ok.\nHe's black. Don't worry about it.\" Then we had this very big chasm between us.\nHe needed something one day ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he called me on the phone, and he asked me a\nfavor. I said, \"Maynard, you're asking me to do you a very big favor, but I have\nto ask you a question. Are you antisemitic?\" He said, \"Well, what makes you\nthink I'm antisemitic?\" I said, \"Because you've done some things to me that make\nme feel very uncertain about where you stand as far as where Jews are\nconcerned.\" He said, \"Are you kidding? I love the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish people.\" He went on\nprofessing his love for the Jews, which I found to be very hollow. That was my\nrun-in with him.\n\nGHITIS: If you could describe how your business evolved from what it was at the\nbeginning. what would you say?\n\nACKERMAN: It started out very small and it grew into a very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"strong marketing\nforce. That was our strong emphasis; then we went into development. We were\ndeveloping buildings uniquely and differently, with a sensitivity to art in the\nworkplace, that people didn't have prior to our coming along. I was the first\nperson in Atlanta to put a public piece of public art in front of an office building.\n\nGHITIS: What is that?\n\nACKERMAN: One done by Elbert Weinberg in front of the Palisades Building called\nThe Temptation of Eve. It's a beautiful ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"piece. If you walk through the gardens\nhere, you'll see some beautiful artwork.\n\nGHITIS: This is, this is in what street, this property?\n\nACKERMAN: The one, The Palisades Building is on Peachtree around Palisades. It's\ncalled the Palisades Building. It's a black building with a very handsome statue\nin front. Then every building I did I put artwork ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into. What you should be doing\nin every building is giving people the opportunity to have a different\nexperience. When they go home, they have one experience, but I think in the\npublic eye you should give them an experience they don't have. Let them feel and\nthink about things they haven't thought about before. There's a piece I brought\nhere called Departure that sits in the front of this building. The first one is\ncalled Speed of Grace. The second one is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"called Departure. Departure is a very\nsensitive piece done in bronze, with a young boy. a young man and a woman\nwaiting for a train in Milan in the train station. The look on her face is a\nlook of despair because he's leaving. The look on his face is a look of\nexpectation because he's moving on to something else. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a very sensually done\npiece. People go to that people, they sit on the bench with the couple, and they\nhave their pictures taken. They think about the art. They think about something\nthat's more abstract than what they're feeling and thinking every day. That's\nimportant to me.\n\nGHITIS: What is your proudest achievement as a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"businessman?\n\nACKERMAN: We created the first and biggest offshore real estate investment trust\nin the world, called Hexilon. Which is an interesting story, which I'll just\ntake a few seconds to tell you. I was going broke. I was building five major\noffice building: the Northwestern Bank Building in Charlotte, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the West Courts\nSquare building in Atlanta for C \u0026 S Bank , the Atrium Office Building in Miami\nand a couple other buildings. I was sitting in my office one day. trying to\nfigure out how I was going to get out of this trap, because the economy had\ntaken a downturn, and I had signed paper on, I had two and a half million\ndollars' worth of paper, notes, mortgages. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The phone rang, and the voice came\nfrom Pat Grafton, who was then in Paris. He said, \"I'm calling you from Paris to\nask you if you want to sell your company.\" I said, \"You know, I get these calls\nall the time, how do I know you're for real?\" He said, \"Oh. I'm for real all\nright. I'll prove it to you. I'll bring my client with me.\" I said, \"What are\nyou looking for?\" He said, \"We've looked at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"129 companies in the United States\nand you're the 130th we're going to look at.\" I said, \"If you've already turned\ndown 129 companies. I'm not sure I qualify.\" I said to myself, \"If I'm going to\nimpress these people. I'm going to have to get a jet airplane.\" but I didn't\nhave the money to do that. I managed to go to the bank and borrow a few more\ndollars. They came to the United ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"States, and I flew them to all these different\nplaces where I was building buildings. They met the presidents of these various\nbanks, and they were really impressed. That night at dinner, we were at the\nChateau Fleur de Lies, which is now gone from Atlanta, but was a nice restaurant\nin those days. They said, \"We're very interested in talking to you further about\nyour company.\"' I said, but I can't make a deal with you unless I come to\nHolland to see what you're all about.\" This fellow looked at me, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"You know\nyou're talking to a company that's been in existence since the 17lh century.\nIt's owned by the Demianchy [sp] family primarily, so you can check out who we\nare.\" I said, \"I want to be there and feel the culture of your company.\" He\nsaid, \"Okay.\" I flew over to Holland and they had this huge party for me, and I\nmet the Demianchy family and many of the other fairly ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"affluent, they were one of\nthe wealthiest families in Europe at the time. They decided that they would buy\nthe company. I made a deal with the Dutch to buy half of my company, and then we\nstarted this big trust, it was an investment trust, because they represented a\ncommercial union, the doctor's pensions fund of Holland, Shell Oil Company and\nother names ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that were very well known. Unilever . They were all part of this\ngroup, but when they formed the company. the real estate investment trust, they\ndid it in a way that didn't make any sense. They were talking about real estate\nin ways that were totally different than the ways that business was conducted\nhere. I had to undo all that they had proposed and redo it all over again ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and\nget these companies to come back in the same form but with a different script,\nwhich took almost six months to work out. We finally did it, and it became the\nmost successful real estate investment trust. I mean vehicle, investment vehicle\nin Holland. One of the universities wrote an article about it and said it was\nthe best performance of any trust ever created in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Holland. We bought buildings\nlike 745 Fifth Avenue where FAO Schwartz used to be, up on 59th Street.\n\nGHITIS: I . . .\n\nACKERMAN: I just have to say this: it took me into a different world, because\nthese people were so affluent, so powerful. It was the largest oil, stores of\noil in the world. The largest transportation company in the world, and they were\none of the largest real estate companies in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Europe. I became very friendly with\nthe chairman of the Board. He would come over here and hike with me. They would\nintroduce me to a society over there, which was just a revelation. They used to\ngo to the European Manager Conference. I was one of the first Americans to go\nthere, the one that's held in Davost. I remember that I had lunch with Edward\nHeath, just him and I. He was one of the former prime ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ministers of England. I\nmet the son of the first Member of Parliament from Scotland. I mean, I could\njust go on and on and on about the, I would spend two or three weeks over there\nand be entertained by all these people. It was a very high life, and I was\nliving in a way that I never expected to live. I really got tired of it. At the\nend of about four ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years or five, it was 1980. It was about five or six years of\ndoing that, I said, 'I want a change. I don't want to do this anymore.\" I asked\nthem to buy me out, to buy my contract out with the Trust. They said, \"No, we\nwant you to stay. We're not going to buy you out.\" I said, \"But you don't want\nsomebody who's not happy doing what you want done, and I don't want to do this\nany ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"longer.\" They finally bought my interest out, but our main partners with the\nmain Dutch company, and then I bought them out. Got my whole company back. The\nman that I bought the company back from, who was the chairman of the board, his\nname was Hugh Krantz [sp]. His family and my family became very close. We\ndeveloped one of the closest relationships I've ever had with anybody. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When he\nwas dying, his wife called and asked if I would come visit with him for the last\ntime. The next day I got on a plane, and I flew over there, and he answered the\ndoor. I thought he was going to be in bed. He's dressed in a suit and coat and\ntie. \"'Hugh, you look terrific!\" Somehow the fact that I came to visit him so\ninspired him that he lived for another year. We saw each other frequently during\nthat ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"year, because he was not able to do a lot. He died of leukemia, but that\nwas a very rewarding experience, that relationship. The getting exposed to the\nsociety, to the European society to the level that I did. I'm blessed to have\ndone that. I guess.\n\nGHITIS: We understand that at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the local and at the national level your business\npractices have had an impact. Can you talk a little bit about that?\n\nACKERMAN: I'm not sure I know what you mean.\n\nGHITIS: The way you do business in real estate, as a developer, your style, your\nvision. Your managerial ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"style.\n\nACKERMAN: I think from the vision perspective, we. I probably was one of the\nfirst to really, my first thought when I would do a development was. what is the\ncommunity going to benefit from my development? It's very important to me that\nthe buildings I build and the communities I build ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"connect to the communities in\na very positive way. A good example is the Washingtonian Project I built in\nWashington, D.C. It was a very large project built on two hundred acres of land.\nI hired an architect to do the land planning. When he showed me the plan, I said\nto him, \"I would never build a project like this. 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He said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Gosh. I've never done this\nbefore. You're really serious.\" I said, \"I'm very serious.\" I said, \"I don't\nwant to do the project the way you've done it. I want you to think about\nsomething. We want to make this a community project. We want to build a lake\nhere. There are springs underneath.\" and I walked him past the springs, \"that we\ncan build a lake. I want to do a Japanese garden for the entire project ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around\nthis lake. It's going to be one huge Japanese garden. We're going to plant 5,000\ncherry trees along the expressway. We're going to retain every unnatural tree.\"\nThe former owners of the property used to bring trees from every corner of the\nworld. We preserved every one of them. The Wall Street Journal wrote a\nfront-page article about that. What we did was to create a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"project that today is\nused by everybody in the surrounding community, for walking, for biking, for\nchildren, for hiking. It has a meaningful impact. Those are the kinds of things\nthat we try to do in all our projects.\n\nGHITIS: You founded a security company.\n\nACKERMAN: Yes. I didn't find it.\n\nGHITIS: How did that, how did you become ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"involved with that?\n\nACKERMAN: A good friend of mine at the time was Charles Sheron. He was a\nhomebuilder; he owned that company. He called me one day and said he was going\nbroke. Would I pay his debts and take the company? I said, \"I'd be happy to pay\nyour debts, Charles, but I don't want your company. What would I do with it? I'm\nnot in the security business.\" He said, \"I insist you take the company if you\nreally want to help me.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I ended up taking the company, paying his debts. [I]\ndeveloped what I think is the finest security company in America in Ackerman\nSecurity . It is so well run and so well managed. There are a team of five men\nthere that are just fine managers. We built it into the best company in Atlanta\nfor sure.\n\nGHITIS: When you look back, can you think ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of any life changing events?\n\nACKERMAN: Oh yes, I can think of three. The first one 1 did an expedition to the\nAntarctic for the National Geographic back in 1986 and 1987. I met a man through\nTom Williams who was the chairman of the First National Bank of Atlanta, named\nNed ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gillette. Ned Gillette was an outdoor adventurer. He never worked a day in\nhis life; he just did outdoor adventures. He was the first and only man to climb\nMt. McKinley up and down in one day. Most climbers took five days. He was the\nfirst person in history to circumvent the Himalayas on cross-country skis. I\ncalled him on the phone one day and we got to be friends. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tom Williams's\nconnection with him was that he knew his father. His father was chairman of the\nFirst National Bank of Vermont. Ned one day said one day, called me on the phone\none day and said, \"Charlie, I'm going to climb Makalu, which is 26.000 feet,\nwould you like to go?\" I said, \"Yeah. I'd love to go. When arc you leaving?\" He\nsaid, \"Friday.\" I said, \"This is Monday. I run a company and a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business, and I\ncan't just walk out of here on five days' notice.\" He did that to me twice.\n\nFinally, I never met him, until one day in Vail, Colorado, I'm walking through\nthe courtyard, it's dusk. This fellow passes me and I stop dead in my tracks,\nand I say, \"Ned Gillette.\" He didn't turn around. He said, \"Charlie Ackerman.\"\nWe met for the first time, other than by ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5490.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"telephone. We had dinner together.\nWhile we're at dinner he said to me, \"I have an idea. Charlie. I'm going to give\nyou one year's notice for this idea. Why don't we row a small boat that we'll\nbuild, from Chile to the Antarctic across the Drake Passage ?\" The Drake Passage\nhas the worst seas in the world. It's where the Atlantic and the Pacific join.\nThe waters down there are wild. I said, \"You got to be crazy. How big a boat are\nyou talking about?\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5520.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"Twenty-seven feet, with a nine-foot beam, with\nnine flotation compartments, with no keel.\" I said, \"Why no keel?\" \"It's so we\ncan surfboard the water. It'll turn over but it'll self-right. There'd be two\nrowing compartments: one in the front and one in the back.\" I said, \"I'm not\nsure I want to do this.\" I called my uncle who used to be the captain of the USS\nNew Jersey . He said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Charles, would you throw a small boat across the Drake\nPassage?\" He says, \"Hell, I wouldn't row a boat across any water, particularly\nin the ocean\". I said to Ned, \"Let me think about this.\" Then he said, \"I want\nto show you something.\" He showed me what an archeologist, or rather, an\nanthropologist had been doing down there, working to find a relationship between\nthe Antarctic ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the tip of South America, from the gone wonderland days. He\nhad been keeping a weather record and every year the wind would shift from the\nsoutheast to the northwest so that you could go out into the water 600 miles and\ntake a turn southeast and take the tide with three and a half knots would carry\nyou right to the Antarctic. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was very impressed. I changed my mind; I told him\nI would do that trip. On that trip, there was a day that I climbed a mountain on\nthe, in the Antarctic. It was on Christmas Day, it just so happened. The sky was\nabsolutely perfect. Blue, it was as azure blue as I have ever seen. The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5640.0,5670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ice was\nwhite and you could see for miles. It was after a bad storm, and when things\nchange that dramatically, it was so powerful. I sat there in some of the most\nspiritual moments I have ever spent in my whole life. For about three or four\nhours, just by myself. That had a major impact upon my life.\n\nThe second event that occurred ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5670.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was when I was shot outside my house and then\ndragged into my house and tied up. That was a life-changing event. That happened\nin 1980. It showed me something about life that I hadn't experienced before,\nbecause these men, these two men were so gross. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5700.0,5730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They, what happened was that\nthey had, had hired a couple, there was a couple, rather, that hired these men.\nThey put an ad in the paper advertising a gardener and a housekeeper. They were\nvery attractive people. I was running a marathon in Huntsville, Alabama, the\nweek from the Friday, the week from the Saturday they were to be interviewed.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5730.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That Friday I did a twenty-mile run and I came back to the house, where I told\nthem I would meet them, but I was sweaty, so I went off to take a shower. Then\nwhen I came out of the shower and was dressed, they had walked throughout the\nwhole house. They said they were very interested in this job. That Thursday\nnight somebody came by the house to visit with me, and I wasn't there, and they\nfound these people there, and they left. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That Friday night I came home at one\no'clock in the morning. Drove into my driveway and it was from my garage to the\nhouse was about forty yards on gravel, and I heard these footsteps running\nbehind me. I had a very heavy pack of keys, and I turned my head over my\nshoulder, saw these two men with guns running at me. I threw my keys at them,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5790.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just in reflex. They both shot me at the same time. One bullet went through my\nchest, knocked out my right lung. The other went through my hand. The impact of\nthe bullets knocked me down. When you get hit by a bullet you feel a sudden\nheat, like your body's on fire, but you suddenly feel this energy pouring out of\nyour body, like you're just energy less. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5820.0,5850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I fell to the ground, but I said to\nmyself, \"I'm not going to let these men take me out of life.\" I immediately\nstarted meditating. I meditated and they dragged me to the door. They put their\nguns to both temples, and they said, \"Open that door, and if the alarm goes off,\nwe're going to kill you.\" I said, the alarm's not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5850.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on, and the door is open,\nbecause I didn't lock my door in those days. They opened the door, and they took\nme in. They said, \"Where's your safe?\" They knew I had a safe. They took me to\nthe safe, and I, they told me to open the safe. As I tried to open the safe, I\ncouldn't, I was losing my consciousness. They put this gun in my mouth, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5880.0,5910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they\nsaid, \"If you don't open the safe this last try, you're going to be gone.\" I\ntook all of the strength in my body, and I managed to get the combination, and\nthe safe was empty. There was nothing in it but a coin collection. Not a very\ngood one. This guy kicks me right in the stomach. They turn me over and tie my\nhands to my legs, my arms, and my legs behind me. They ransack the house. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5910.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They\nkept running back to the room. I was in my library. They said, \"Where's this,\nwhere's that?\" I said, \"Look, I'm single, I live alone. I don't have any\njewelry, but there's a Ming vase in there. Take that vase. It's worth more than\nany jewelry you'll find anywhere, but please call an ambulance.\" Blood was\nrunning out of my mouth at that point. I thought I was going to die. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5940.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This fellow\ntakes the phone, and he yanks it out of the wall. He says, \"We'll make the phone\ncall when we leave here.\" I said, \"Take the Ming vase and get out of here.\" They\ndid and then they took, they had registered a car in my name. They had my\ndriver's license and they left. I crawled, with all the strength I had\nremaining, a fairly long way ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=5970.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from the library to the kitchen. I managed to get\nthis drawer to fall on top of me by pulling it out with my teeth. I rolled over\non a knife and I cut the ropes they had tied me with. I knew there was one phone\nthat they wouldn't get and I went in, and I just pushed the operator's number.\nI just said. \"Call an ambulance\" and this is where to come. That's the last\nthing I remember, but that was an event-changing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6000.0,6030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experience, mainly because,\nthey caught one of the fellows in Arizona. Extradited him to Georgia, put him on\ntrial. He went to prison and then he escaped. When he escaped, he said he was\ngoing to come out and kill me. He came to the neighborhood, killed five people\nincluding a state ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"patrolman. I waited for him every night. I'll never forget\nthat. Every night I waited for him to come. I couldn't wait for him to show up.\nI had never felt so angry at anybody in my life. They finally, then I read in\nthe paper about all these murders. I called Captain Lee at the police\ndepartment. I said, \"Captain Lee. This is the guy who shot me.\" I could just\ntell by the way they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"described the killings. He said, \"It can't be.\" But it was.\nThey finally captured him and put him in prison, where he is today. That gave me\nan awareness of the seedy side of life. Because I had to go through his things\nto find some possessions, he had stolen from me. It was just an unusual\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6090.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experience. The third most meaningful experience that changed my life was when I\nhad children. Just having children in itself is such a blessing that it just\nchanged my whole perspective of what I was and what I wanted to be. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6120.0,6150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think my\ngreatest regret now at my age is that I don't have any grandchildren, because\nchildren are wonderful. I never realized that I had an affinity for children\nuntil I had my own. That was a paramount experience in my life.\n\nGHITIS: Tell me about your family today.\n\nACKERMAN: I have two daughters, one who's 44 and one who's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6150.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"43. The oldest\ndaughter is living in San Francisco. She's getting her fourth degree right now\nin library science. She's a very bright young lady, could never find herself.\nShe's now really on the path to getting her life together, and it's really a\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6180.0,6210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pleasure to watch her function. My other daughter is, was in Seattle she now,\nshe and I have gone into business together. She left the job she had. She was\nthe director of P.R marketing for the Museum of Music Experience in Seattle. She\nleft that job and called me and said, \"I want to go into business with you. I\ndon't want to move to Atlanta; 1 want to do it somewhere else.\" We're building\nhouses together in Vail. She's a very, my other daughter's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6210.0,6240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very introspective,\nvery intellectual, and scholarly. My youngest daughter is just out there all the\ntime. She connects to people very beautifully.\n\nGHITIS: What are their names?\n\nACKERMAN: Carlynn [sp] is the oldest and Paige is the youngest.\n\nGHITIS: Did you name them after someone in particular?\n\nACKERMAN: I named Carlynn after a woman I knew by that name who I thought was an\noutstanding woman. 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Had nothing to do with the person.\n\nGHITIS: Your wife?\n\nACKERMAN: Excuse me?\n\nGHITIS: Your wife?\n\nACKERMAN: My wife, I've been married now for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6270.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going on sixteen [years], we're in\nthe seventeenth year in May. My wife is a very delightful woman. She's very\nindependent, very intelligent who has a. the most stable personality of anybody\nI've ever met. She hardly ever, I've never seen her down. I've never, no matter\nwhat the situation she ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6300.0,6330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"manages to cope with it. She's got an enormous sense of\nability to get along. She is, you might look at her if she walked in this room.\n\"Well, that's a pretentious woman.\" She's the most unpretentious person in the\nworld. She's as down-home as they get.\n\nGHITIS: Let's talk about some of the causes you have supported over the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6330.0,6360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years.\nWhat stands out in your mind?\n\nACKERMAN: The Holocaust Museum [The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum] for\nnumber one. One day I got a call from Elie Wiesel, and he asked me if I'd come\nto New York and talk to him. I flew to New York. Who would miss out on that\nopportunity? He asked if I'd help out with the Museum. Would I go on the\nbuilding committee? A man named ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6360.0,6390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stroglitz [sp] was running the committee. They\nwere just wasting money, but mainly because Elie Wiesel would write them letters\ntelling them what to do. I asked Elie if he would resign from the museum and let\nthe process go on. He eventually did. 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The most defining thing that happened on that whole job, the museum would\nnot be what it is today, we hired an interior design firm to do the interior\nstoryline, and they came up with the most sterile, uninspiring exhibit I've ever\nseen, on slides, just on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6420.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"slides. I had to go to the men's room when they were\nshowing it, when they started, so I came just in the beginning, about two\nminutes later. When it ended, everybody in the room agreed that's what we should\ndo, and I disagreed. I was so strong about it, pointing out the sterility. 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It ended up ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6480.0,6510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"being the way it is today.\n\nS. G. How did they think about contacting you?\n\nACKERMAN: Cantor Goodfriend recommended me to Elie. Because when he came by to\nsee me one day and asked me to make a contribution to the museum in the early\nbeginning, I said I not only want to make a contribution, but this museum has to\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6510.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"happen. If the United States government wants to give us the land, then we have\nto make this happen. I then spent ten years working on the Museum. That was my\ngreatest contribution in charity. The Devorest School would be the number two.\nORT [Association for the Promotion of Skilled Trades] would be number three. The\nCarlos Museum , that I'm the current chairman of, number four.\n\nGHITIS: What about ORT?\n\nACKERMAN: That was number ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6540.0,6570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three. The Devorest School was number two.\n\nGHITIS: Why the Devorest School?\n\nACKERMAN: Because I witnessed something I had never seen before. I witnessed the\nlove between the staff and the students, but the ungiving, I mean the unselfish\ngiving of love by that staff. 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They had one of the here, and it was going to be the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6630.0,6660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"chairman, what do\nthey call, the host, the event, copped out, so he asked me if 1 would become the\nhost for it. 1 didn't know a whole lot about ORT, but I quickly learned\nsomething, and I said yes. Then as I became involved with ORT, realized that\nalthough it was not Atlanta's most ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6660.0,6690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"socially accepted organization, they did more\ngood around the world than most other organizations. They were very important to\nthe world. They were teaching people in third-world countries how to survive, by\nmaking a living, by being responsible, by then having hope. I thought that ORT\nwas worthwhile working for. I was chairman of their annual dinner for\ntwenty-three ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6690.0,6720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years and was honored by them twice.\n\nGHITIS: Any other philanthropies come to mind?\n\nACKERMAN: The most important one to me right now is the Parkinson's . I'm trying\nto raise five million dollars for Parkinson's, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6720.0,6750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I have Parkinson's. I\nwant to see it cured, so that other people don't have to go through this situation.\n\nGHITIS: How do you choose your causes, on what basis?\n\nACKERMAN: Choose my what?\n\nGHITIS: The causes you support.\n\nACKERMAN: Oh, the causes. 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I have an enormous ability to\nstay with something until it happens. which takes ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6810.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"patience and fortitude. I\nthink one of the other things that has been important in my life has been\nintegrity. You can't survive without integrity. It's your soul, it's who you\nare, and once you lose it, you're lost. I've never compromised that.\n\nGHITIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6840.0,6870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you participated in politics?\n\nACKERMAN: Yes 1 have.\n\nGHITIS: In what way?\n\nACKERMAN: I was a very, excuse me a second, one day I was sitting in my living\nroom in 1980. 1979. I've forgotten which, I was reading the New York Times .\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6870.0,6900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had an article about George Bush, Sr. I picked up the phone and called\nHouston and got his phone number, and then called the number, and this man, I\nsaid, \"Mr. Bush?\" He said, \"Yes.\" I said, \"I've just read about you in the\nnewspaper, and I'd like to ask you some questions.\" He said, \"Well, go ahead and\nask me.\" I asked him a bunch of questions. It wasn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6900.0,6930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Bush, it was his\nassociate Fred Bush, who was running his campaign at the lime. Fred Bush said to\nme, \"You want to meet the real man?\" I said, \"Yes I do.\" Me said, \"I'll bring\nhim to Atlanta if you have a fundraiser for him.\" I had a fundraiser for George\nBush at my home, and he stayed at my home over night. Then he invited me to\ncampaign with him for two weeks. 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During\nhis presidency he called me one day and asked me about an issue that had to do\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6960.0,6990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with the Jewish people. Really at that point he was very unpopular with the\nJewish community, and he wanted some advice on how to get back on track, because\nhe didn't realize he was off track until somebody pointed it out to him. I think\nI helped him through that process a little bit, but he was a very fine man. He\nstill is a fine man. That was the closes I've ever come to being in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=6990.0,7020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"politics.\n\nGHITIS: What are your political leanings at this time in your life?\n\nACKERMAN: I'm an independent. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican.\n\nGHITIS: What made you become an independent after being a Democrat?\n\nACKERMAN: I went from being a Democrat to being a Republican. I went from the\nDemocratic Party to the Republican Party, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7020.0,7050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but now I'm disgusted with the\nRepublican Party. I think they're become too right wing and the Christian\ninfluence has become too great, and they need to rethink their whole strategy,\nbecause they're not representing the American people. They could reduce our\nliberty. The day before yesterday I went back and read John Nonzario's Politico\n[sp], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7050.0,7080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have you heard of that? It's the most brilliant treatise on freedom of\nspeech, made to Parliament. We all have, we need to defend freedom, everywhere,\nif you don't, you're not a human being. If you hear about anybody being abused\nanywhere in the world and you don't respond to it. you're not a human being. We\ntake freedom for granted and yet it's the basis for everything we do. 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The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7110.0,7140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"underpinning of all of that is freedom, freedom of\nspeech, freedom of action, freedom of religion. This party at this point in this\npoint in our country is beginning to infringe on our rights, and we just have to\nsay no. To show them that the voters are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7140.0,7170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"infringement.\n\nACKERMAN: I think they have a great future, better than you might ever thought.\nI think the world is becoming conscious and aware of the fact that Israel has.\ncreates a balance that is so necessary. One thing that I regret, so many Jews\nhave left other countries because the countries void of Jewishness are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7170.0,7200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"missing a\nlevel of morality, a sense of humanity, and a sense of justice that we bring to\nevery culture. Russia today is a different place because of the Jews protesting\nCommunism. If you look at the long list of the writers and poets, they're mainly\nJews who spoke out against the Soviet regime. People now I think have an\nawareness of the role we play in the world ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7200.0,7230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the importance of it, and I think\nfrom that perspective we will gain in respect and admiration and acceptance. Now\nthat the state of Israel is out of the Gaza Strip when they may allow Palestine\nto become a nation, it's going to create a different world all together, because\nit will be the first time nation will face nation, and Israel is bound to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7230.0,7260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"win,\nand I don't think the Palestinians will ever challenge them. I think we'll have\nto cooperate and realize that it only makes sense to have economic cooperation\nand it will turn the Middle East into a different place, hopefully.\n\nGHITIS: Are you concerned about outbursts of antisemitism in different places?\n\nACKERMAN: There's no question there's going to be some. There always has ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034#t=7260.0,7290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/77954/file/165034/transcript/40166/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been,\nthere always will be. I think the broader population will resist that or resent\nit. Even in France , Chirac did a complete turnaround when antisemitism, when\nthere were some outbursts of antisemitism. He was muted in the beginning, but in\nthe end, he turned around and began to support the Jewish people in ways that I\ndidn't think he would. 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