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She talks about growing up in a traditionally Jewish home and keeping kosher and tells she is grateful for that upbringing. She mentions that most her friends growing up were Jewish. She talks about attending Hebrew school six days a week throughout her grade school years. She describes the teacher as a Hebraist, who spoke Hebrew only in her classes.   \u003cbr\u003eDoris talks about her family’s relationships with the black community, recalling that her father employed 10 to 15 black workers and helped enroll the foreman in a vocational school. She remembers fondly the black woman employed in their house and tells that she knew how to recite Kiddish on Friday night, insisting that she and her siblings say it correctly.  \u003cbr\u003eDoris talks about how she met and married Martin Goldstein in 1957. She tells of her observations and experiences living in Miami, Florida, during the first years of their marriage. She describes her happiness when they moved to Atlanta. She talks about raising her three children in Atlanta. She talks about joining Ahavath Achim synagogue and discusses her earliest recollections with Rabbi Harry Epstein. She talks about the congregation’s relationship with him and his years before his retirement. She talks about her vision and how she became involved in writing the book From Generation to Generation, a history of Ahavath Achim. She discusses her involvement with the museum exhibit Jews and Georgians: A Meeting of Cultures 1733-1983. \u003cbr\u003eShe talks about becoming very active with the synagogue during the late-1960s in Atlanta. She discusses her involvement with Ahavath Achim Sisterhood, Hadassah, National Council of Jewish Women, and Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta. She talks about how she became an activist with the Soviet Jewry project. She describes traveling to Russia with her husband during the Cold War as supporters of Soviet Jewry and their experiences there. Doris reflects on serving as Chairman of the Atlanta Jewish Federation’s Soviet Jewry Committee and sitting on the Executive Committee and Board of Governors of the National Conference on Soviet Jewry. She discusses at length being president of the Epstein School at Ahavath Achim Synagogue and helping to start the Epstein School. Doris reflects on the direction of the Atlanta Jewish community and the importance of getting people involved.  \u003c/p\u003e (scope content)","\u003cp\u003eDoris Harris Goldstein was born in Metairie, Louisiana, to Jacob and Mary Weiss Harris. She has three siblings: Joseph Solomon Harris, Rosamond Harris Sigal, and David Harris. Both of her parents were born in the United States. Her parents married in 1926 and lived in Memphis, Tennessee, for most of their lives until moving to New Orleans for her father’s job as an engineer. He later had his own engineering and construction business. Her father was appointed to the United States Navel Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, around 1909.  \u003cbr\u003eDoris grew up in a traditional Jewish home and kept kosher. Both parents came from traditional Jewish homes. As a child, Doris went to a communal Hebrew school taught by a Hebraist. She attended Hebrew school six days a week. After high school, Doris entered Newcomb-Tulane College in 1953. In 1957, Doris married Martin Goldstein. They lived in Miami, Florida, where he was attending medical school for dermatology. They moved to Atlanta in 1963 and joined Ahavath Achim synagogue when Harry Epstein served as rabbi. They have three children. \u003cbr\u003e \u003cbr\u003eDoris became active with the synagogue and the Jewish community during the late-1960s. She belonged to Ahavath Achim Sisterhood, Hadassah, National Council of Jewish Women, and Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta. She became an activist with the Soviet Jewry project. During the Cold War, she and her husband, Martin, were strong supporters of Soviet Jewry and traveled to Russia in 1979 to meet with Russian Jews. Doris served as Chairman of the Atlanta Jewish Federation’s Soviet Jewry Committee for three years, as well as sitting on the Executive Committee and Board of Governors of the National Conference on Soviet Jewry. She was president of the Epstein School at Ahavath Achim Synagogue. She authored the book From Generation to Generation, the history of Ahavath Achim, and helped curate the 1984 museum exhibit Jews and Georgians: A Meeting of Cultures 1733-1983. \u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eSandra Berman interviewed Doris Goldstein on January 25, 2007. She discussed her childhood in Metairie, Louisiana, college life in New Orleans, and her philanthropy in Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e (general)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDoris Goldstein begins the interview talking about her family history in Metairie, Louisiana, an area of New Orleans. She talks about her father\u0026rsquo;s engineering and construction business. She talks about growing up in a traditionally Jewish home and keeping kosher and tells she is grateful for that upbringing. She mentions that most her friends growing up were Jewish. She talks about attending Hebrew school six days a week throughout her grade school years. She describes the teacher as a Hebraist, who spoke Hebrew only in her classes. \u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eDoris talks about her family\u0026rsquo;s relationships with the black community, recalling that her father employed 10 to 15 black workers and helped enroll the foreman in a vocational school. She remembers fondly the black woman employed in their house and tells that she knew how to recite Kiddish on Friday night, insisting that she and her siblings say it correctly. \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eDoris talks about how she met and married Martin Goldstein in 1957. She tells of her observations and experiences living in Miami, Florida, during the first years of their marriage. She describes her happiness when they moved to Atlanta. She talks about raising her three children in Atlanta. She talks about joining Ahavath Achim synagogue and discusses her earliest recollections with Rabbi Harry Epstein. She talks about the congregation\u0026rsquo;s relationship with him and his years before his retirement. She talks about her vision and how she became involved in writing the book From Generation to Generation, a history of Ahavath Achim. She discusses her involvement with the museum exhibit Jews and Georgians: A Meeting of Cultures 1733-1983.\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eShe talks about becoming very active with the synagogue during the late-1960s in Atlanta. She discusses her involvement with Ahavath Achim Sisterhood, Hadassah, National Council of Jewish Women, and Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta. She talks about how she became an activist with the Soviet Jewry project. She describes traveling to Russia with her husband during the Cold War as supporters of Soviet Jewry and their experiences there. Doris reflects on serving as Chairman of the Atlanta Jewish Federation\u0026rsquo;s Soviet Jewry Committee and sitting on the Executive Committee and Board of Governors of the National Conference on Soviet Jewry. She discusses at length being president of the Epstein School at Ahavath Achim Synagogue and helping to start the Epstein School. Doris reflects on the direction of the Atlanta Jewish community and the importance of getting people involved. \u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eDoris Harris Goldstein was born in Metairie, Louisiana, to Jacob and Mary Weiss Harris. She has three siblings: Joseph Solomon Harris, Rosamond Harris Sigal, and David Harris. Both of her parents were born in the United States. Her parents married in 1926 and lived in Memphis, Tennessee, for most of their lives until moving to New Orleans for her father\u0026rsquo;s job as an engineer. He later had his own engineering and construction business. Her father was appointed to the United States Navel Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, around 1909. \u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eDoris grew up in a traditional Jewish home and kept kosher. Both parents came from traditional Jewish homes. As a child, Doris went to a communal Hebrew school taught by a Hebraist. She attended Hebrew school six days a week. After high school, Doris entered Newcomb-Tulane College in 1953. In 1957, Doris married Martin Goldstein. They lived in Miami, Florida, where he was attending medical school for dermatology. They moved to Atlanta in 1963 and joined Ahavath Achim synagogue when Harry Epstein served as rabbi. They have three children.\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eDoris became active with the synagogue and the Jewish community during the late-1960s. She belonged to Ahavath Achim Sisterhood, Hadassah, National Council of Jewish Women, and Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta. She became an activist with the Soviet Jewry project. During the Cold War, she and her husband, Martin, were strong supporters of Soviet Jewry and traveled to Russia in 1979 to meet with Russian Jews. Doris served as Chairman of the Atlanta Jewish Federation\u0026rsquo;s Soviet Jewry Committee for three years, as well as sitting on the Executive Committee and Board of Governors of the National Conference on Soviet Jewry. She was president of the Epstein School at Ahavath Achim Synagogue. She authored the book From Generation to Generation, the history of Ahavath Achim, and helped curate the 1984 museum exhibit Jews and Georgians: A Meeting of Cultures 1733-1983.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eSandra Berman interviewed Doris Goldstein on January 25, 2007. 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I am here with Doris Goldstein, who has\nagreed to be interviewed for the Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project\nof the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum. Part of this interview will also\ncomply with the interviews that we are doing for the Elliot and Judith Cohen\nOral History Project of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum. Thank you,\nDoris, for coming here today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=0.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: My pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=25.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I really appreciate it. I’d like to begin this interview by ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=26.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nasking you to describe a little bit about your early years. I know you’re from\nNew Orleans [Louisiana]. Your parents, where you grew up, and what your early\nchildhood was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=30.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: I feel tremendously blessed to have had the childhood and the parents\nand the milieu in which I grew up. We were blessed with great health, good\nvalues, not ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=45.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nrich, but we had what we needed. It was a very traditionally Jewish home. We\nkept kosher. We lived in what is called Metairie [Louisiana]. Now, it’s I think\nthe heart of Jewish New Orleans. Then, it was the outskirts. If you told\nsomebody you lived in Metairie, it was like you lived ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nin the end of the world almost. It was great to have a big yard, at least for\nNew Orleans. If you look at it from Atlanta, it looks like a really little spot.\nThere, where land was a premium, most of it was swamp. It was a lot of land. My\nfather was an engineer, a developer, so ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwe always heard about streets and sewers. He had a big drawing board in his\nlibrary where he worked on projects. Now, people use computers, but then it was\npaper and special pencils. I remember always playing with all his little things\nand messing them up. They were very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ntraditional. My parents were both born in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=150.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Their names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=154.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Mary. Mary Weiss was her maiden name. My father was Jacob, or Jack,\nHarris. My father was appointed to Annapolis [Maryland], to the [United States]\nNaval Academy, about 1909. Which was pretty rare for an American,\nfirst-generation Jew. He stayed there for, I don’t know exactly how long, but\nthey found out he was colorblind, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=155.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nor red-green colorblind, or something. So, he was finished. His naval career was\nshort-lived. I don’t know what our lives would have been like if he hadn’t been\ncolorblind. It’s just so weird how life takes these funny turns. They both came\nfrom traditional homes. When they first married, they moved to New Orleans and\nestablished the same kind of home. We kept kosher, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwhich was pretty unusual. New Orleans was a very, very Reform town where, I\nthink, they probably looked down on the more traditional element of the\ncommunity. But not unusual any place. That was the way we lived, and I’m very\ngrateful for it. I went to a communal Hebrew school, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwhich wasn’t attached to any one synagogue but there were some kids from the\nother Orthodox, or traditional synagogue. It was very unusual in that the head\nof the school was a Hebraist. By that, I mean he loved the Hebrew language. His\ngreat claim to fame, I guess you would call it, is that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nhe translated [William] Shakespeare into Hebrew, and he translated Negro\nspirituals into Hebrew. He ran this school with, I mean, he was an iron hand.\nYou never graduated until he thought you, the class, was ready to graduate.\nConsequently, I never graduated. By the time I got into high school, I said to\nmy parents, “I’m not doing this anymore.” My class ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nof like four or five never graduated. You went into his class after maybe one or\ntwo elementary years and then he spoke nothing but Hebrew. Never spoke a word of\nEnglish in the class. The school was in an old house, a very large. I don’t know\nif it was antebellum. I don’t know how old the house was. When you’re a kid you\ndon’t think about those things. But it was in a house. The rooms ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwere . . . there was a big center hall like a lot of Southern houses and on\neither side were rooms. When you got into his class, his room, had a little\noctagonal, like an annex almost, and that was his office. We always wondered\nwhat went on in there because it wasn’t a big square room. It was like a little,\nI don’t know whether originally it was a sun porch or something. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat was when you got into his room. He spoke nothing but Hebrew. If you didn’t\nknow what he was saying, it was tough. You had to figure it out, which was\nreally very advanced for the 1940s and 1950s. I mean, nobody was doing that. I\nreally learned a lot in spite of myself. I liked it. I didn’t like having to\ntake four streetcars to get there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAll through grade school I went to Hebrew school four weekdays, Saturday\nmorning, and Sunday morning. I went to Hebrew school six days a week. The only\nday we didn’t go was Friday. It was, I guess you’d call it, a pretty good Jewish\neducation on the academic side, but I think in most cases, your real education\ncomes from home. If you don’t get ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nit at home, it’s like, there’s this compartment from school, and then it doesn’t\nmatter. I don’t think it really sinks into anything unless you get the feeling\nas you grow up that this is important, and this is meaningful. This is\nimportant. This is the way a Jew lives. I think that is the only place you\nreally get ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nthat is at home. If you don’t get it at home, I don’t think you ever really get\nit, unless you get some big epiphany as an adult or as a young adult or\nsomething, say “Well I have to be Orthodox, and that’s the only way I can be\nJewish.” New Orleans . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=450.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Sorry to interrupt. Did you have grandparents that were still living?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=474.0,479.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: No. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=479.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBoth my mother’s parents died before I was born. That’s the people I was named\nfor. My father’s mother lived in New Orleans for some time, but she died when I\nwas maybe about three. I have a very vague, vague memory of her. My grandfather\nlived with us for some time until I was about five or six. He was a very\ndifficult man. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=480.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFinally, my mother must have said, “This is it. I can’t do this anymore.” He\nwent back to Memphis [Tennessee], where they were from. I really had nothing, no\nmemories like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=510.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I was just curious, because I was wondering how your parents chose New Orleans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=522.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Because my dad got a job there. They got married 1926. They both\nlived in Memphis almost all their lives. My mother was born there. My father\ncame there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=528.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nas a young kid. He got a job there, and that was it. You got a job. I don’t even\nknow what the job was because eventually, by the time I have any memory, he was\nin business for himself. I have no idea what the job was, but he got that job,\nand that’s where they went. 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I went to Newcomb [-Tulane College]. I wanted to go to LSU\n[Louisiana State University], which was 90 miles away. So, I started lobbying to\ngo to LSU. One day my father reached into his pocket, and he had in his hand\nseven cents. Seven cents in those days was the fare on the street car. He says,\n“You see this?” I said, “Yes.” He says, “Take it, you’re going to Newcomb.”\nPeriod, the end of the conversation. He says, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n“You have a wonderful school right here in your backyard. You’re not going to\nLSU,” which was like Georgia [University of Georgia]. 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Well, they didn’t invite me to their debutante parties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=706.0,711.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I was just wondering if your friends were mainly within the Jewish\ncommunity or . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=711.0,719.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: At Newcomb? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=719.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI guess most of my friends, who are still my friends, were Jews. One person from\nNew Orleans that I’d grown up with, she was also in my class. Then a couple of\ngirls who came from out-of-town, several from Atlanta. That was my first Atlanta\nconnection, really, was these girls that I knew from Newcomb. 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I\nthink my relationships were fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=780.0,789.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What year did you enter college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=789.0,793.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: 1953.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=793.0,794.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: You were really a young woman, a young adult, when the Civil Rights\nMovement started to get active. Do you have some recollections of what it was\nlike in New Orleans ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=794.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nand what you thought about separate facilities and drinking fountains?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=811.0,817.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: I accepted it because that’s the way it was. When I rode the\nstreetcars, there was a moveable, not a plaque, but every streetcar and bus in\nNew Orleans had on the back of the seat some kind of a hole. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=817.0,841.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe thing that said “for colored only,” moved depending on whether there were a\nlot of people in the bus. When I went to Hebrew school, for instance, I had to\ntake four buses. Four street cars. Four different transfers. Two of them, at\nleast two or maybe three, I was the only white person on the bus most of the\ntime. I didn’t have any trouble getting a seat. 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Did you ever discuss that in the home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=891.0,898.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: I never discussed my own feelings. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=898.0,901.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMy parents, my father especially, was a very strong-willed man. I think, like\nmany Southerners and maybe Jews too, he had a very paternalistic attitude toward\nthe black population. We always had a black person in our house. She was like\nour mother. She worked . . . when we were very young, my father had built a\nspecial little bedroom, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=901.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\na separate little house for her. We were taught to be respectful of her. We\nnever said the n-word. It wouldn’t even occur to use to say that word. We would\nnever allow anybody in the house to say that word. She was loyal. If my parents\nwere away, she knew how to recite the Kiddush on Friday night. 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I would say, gosh, maybe ten percent of the staff and the kids,\nmaybe more, were from Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1321.0,1336.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What was the camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1336.0,1338.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Camp Belle Aire in Sparta, Tennessee, halfway between Nashville and\nKnoxville. That was their tagline. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1379.0,1381.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou had to unpack the campers’ trunks. The trunks would arrive. The counselors\nwho were there a week or ten days beforehand had to unpack the trunks. Somebody\ncalled me. We were unpacking all the kids’ trunks. Somebody from one of the\nother cabins says, “Come here. You got to see this.” I say, “What are you\ntalking about?” I go in there. She says, “Look at these towels.” They were brand\nnew towels all marked with a ‘Z.’ I said, “Who is that?” Just says, “I don’t\nknow. Two rich kids from Atlanta named Zaban. 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We didn’t go that often. We would\nbring the kids to center and things that. We felt that they could do as little\nkids. I didn’t know that much ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1810.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nabout him. Like I said, I went in his office and told him I couldn’t afford to\njoin. He reached and gave me two tickets. 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When was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1860.0,1863.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Probably. I’m trying to think. I guess some time maybe middle to late\n1960s. As I say, I had two little bitty, three little kids really and not a lot\nof free time. I didn’t have a full-time maid. I just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1863.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwasn’t free to do a lot of stuff. It must have been probably late 1960s, I\nguess. I guess the first thing was the synagogue, the Sisterhood, probably the\nfirst thing that I did because I felt an obligation because they had kind of\ntaken me in when I didn’t have anything. I was always grateful for that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI felt that this is where I live. This is where my children are. This is what I\nthink is important at this point. I joined Hadassah because my mother had been a\nvery big Hadassah person in New Orleans, and my sister was very big Hadassah\nhere. 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Of course, don’t\nforget, I’m getting to him at the end of his career, not at the beginning. So,\nhe had been doing this for by the time I got there 35, 40 years. He was regarded\nby so many people as this big god. I kept thinking, wait a minute there’s\nsomething wrong with this image. This isn’t God. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut you couldn’t say anything to any of the machers. You couldn’t say anything\nabout Rabbi Epstein, I mean nothing. 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There is Marvin Goldstein, Alterman,\nIrving Goldstein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2250.0,2257.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Which Alterman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2257.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Dave. Dave Alterman. Goldstein’s. Gerald Cohen. Their wives took care\nof Mrs. Epstein. I don’t think she ever drove. I don’t think she ever learned\nhow to drive. 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Maybe . . . We always contributed some little minor, whatever it\nwas. There was a pretty strong doctor’s group. The doctors always had something.\nMarty always went to that. And, always, whatever we could contribute,\ncontributed. He would come home and say who was there. We always talked about\nwho got up and boasted ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2672.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nabout what they gave. It was kind of a turn off. But I said, “Look, that’s the\nway they raise money so, okay, let people feel really good about and boast about\nit.” We knew that this entity was here. 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We tried to put a little bit more of an\nintellectual spin on it. We had something called the Institute of Enrichment,\nwas the name of it. It was a day of learning, kind of thing. I think that was\nmaybe one of the first things I got involved in, doing the programming and\nthinking of things that would be of some educational value ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2852.0,2882.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto women, not just some kind of social thing. I think maybe that was one of the\nfirst things that I got involved in. It was a social thing, which is not bad.\nIt’s okay to be social, and it’s one of the things that people do. You have\ncommon interests. 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For people who are going to Russia, they’ll give you a\nbriefing. I went to New York about two or three days before the trip was to\nleave, by myself, and met with them in their office. It was like, it was cloak\nand dagger. It was like you were Perry Mason or something. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3333.0,3363.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou had to get yourself one of these magic slates you know that the kids use so\nyou could write to each other. Talk to each other in the rooms. There were all\nkinds of ways to contact the people you were going to meet. The pay phone, you\nnever used the phone in your room. 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I just figured I’m going to be just as obnoxious as they are. It was\nkind of exciting, as a matter of fact. I figured I’m really going to get them.\nWhen we made the reservations. We were flying on Aeroflot, the Russian airline.\nI said, “I’m going to see if they’ll get us a kosher dinner.” We called the\ntravel agent ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3422.0,3452.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nweeks ahead and told them that we needed two kosher dinners, because the plane\nwas leaving at 5 o’clock in the afternoon or something like that. They said,\n“Okay.” I didn’t know what was going to happen. We got on the plane, and they\nstarted serving dinner. 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These were people who\nhad actually requested to get out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3876.0,3884.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Right. These people had all given their formal request to leave. 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We did see\npretty much a lot of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4081.0,4090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: What were the families’ reactions to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4090.0,4093.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: The people we met?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4093.0,4095.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: The refusniks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4095.0,4096.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Oh my gosh, they thought we were some kind of celebrities because we\nwere from Georgia. 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I didn’t have the heart to tell them I was just a big nobody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4110.0,4116.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Did they think that you were going to be really able to help them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4116.0,4122.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Yes, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4122.0,4124.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: When you returned to Atlanta, what was the goal, the end goal for this trip?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4124.0,4130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: There are a couple of reasons why people went to the Soviet Union.\nOne, and I think the most important, was that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4130.0,4139.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nyou wanted the people to know that you cared about them and that they weren’t\nforgotten. It wasn’t going to be a repeat of the Warsaw Ghetto. They wanted you\nto sit in their houses, to listen to them, to empathize with them, to come back\nand be an activist for not only their behalf but the whole cause. That was what\nit was about. The things that we brought, the material things that we brought, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4139.0,4169.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nhelped them. Whatever they did with them, I don’t know what they did with them,\nbut some of the things they wanted to be able to send to Soviet prisoners like\n[Natan] Sharansky or to the other people in the gulag, and they would use a\nlipstick or whatever, a small thing, for bribe a guard for extra food. 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Oh sure. We had been doing all this stuff and visiting with all\nthese people and missing the tour and whatever. We knew that they were on our\ncase. The very last day of the trip . . . we also had some small Haggadahs ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4206.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nthat they didn’t find for some reason. We still had the Haggadahs. We hadn’t\ngiven them away yet. The last, very last day of the trip, we had been to Moscow.\nWe had been to Central Asia. We had been to Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara. All\nthese places. We’d had contacts with refuseniks. Now we’re back in Moscow. 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I would imagine probably the ones who wanted to leave, who didn't die in\nthe effort, probably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4921.0,4928.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Because everybody pretty much got out later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4928.0,4931.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Yes. When we got back, I became the chairman of this little committee\n[Soviet Jewry Committee of the Atlanta Jewish Federation]. It was really hard to\nget people to listen to you. 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I have it in all that stuff I gave you. I guess Ben was still on\nit. Maybe. Ben Hirsch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4950.0,4960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Yes, he was involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4960.0,4962.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: I can't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4962.0,4964.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: But it eventually got fairly big, didn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=4964.0,4968.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: No, not really. 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It was a community\nschool, but all of the Judaic teachers had to be shomer Shabbat. There was a\nmechitza. Boys and girls separated. It was a very . . . it was considered Orthodox. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5257.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe Solomon Schechter School was a Conservative school. Very clear. The Hebrew\nAcademy always had to decide how far right you are or how far middle you are or\nhow far left you were, because they were always teetering. Still, to this day,\nhave to be somewhere in the middle. The advantage of a Reform school or a\nConservative school is this is our philosophy. This is where we are. 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He was not doing a good job, and the\nschool was really about to about go under. It really was. I'm not saying this\nfor false modesty. We had Russian kids who had come and, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5412.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nhonestly, was not getting the support from the AA and the non-Orthodox women,\neven from Rabbi Epstein, “the saint.” This was his school now. Honestly, he had\nkind of gotten dragged into it. If you tell the story now, he was the person who\nwas pushing it and pushing it. It's not true. I know it's not true. 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The people who really\nhad the real desire for the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nschool, not that these people didn't have a desire for the school, but they had\ntheir own agenda. 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But his people\nskills were a little lacking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5821.0,5844.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Who replaced him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5844.0,5846.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Cheryl Finkel. 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I feel very bad that the Orthodox community has not supported\nYeshiva High School and started their own minyan Shabbat, as the saying goes.\nWhen my son was at Yeshiva High School, it was a struggle ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5972.0,6002.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto keep it going. It is still a struggle. I don't feel that the Orthodox\ncommunity has supported the school the way they should from years ago, not even\njust now, and started the girls’ school and the boys’ school. 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It is now since Michael\nBerger is there. They really wanted to make it into a modern Orthodox school.\nWhether there's enough support for that and enough people will send their kids\nto that, I just don't know. I really don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6216.0,6237.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: There was one other area that I really wanted ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6237.0,6241.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto talk about because this is sort of when I met you in this era was your\ninvolvement with the museum, with the archives and Atlanta Jewish history. Tell\nme what drew you to that and why you got involved? And with the book [From\nGeneration to Generation] and the 250th. The 250 years, Jews and Georgians: A\nMeeting of Cultures 1733-1983.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6241.0,6270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: When the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6270.0,6271.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n250-year thing came, we had already had a couple of museum type things, because\nJane was the director of special events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6271.0,6281.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Jane Leavey?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6281.0,6282.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Jane Leavey. I worked with her with the Auschwitz and Danzig\n[exhibits], so we had this relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6282.0,6291.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Those were two exhibitions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6291.0,6293.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Two exhibitions at Emory University [Schatten Gallery at Emory\nUniversity] that the federation had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6293.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nsponsored. The 250th anniversary of Jews in Georgia was in conjunction with the\nGeneral Assembly, which was being held here in Atlanta. The people who were the\nchairman from the women's division from the federation were the overall chairman of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6300.0,6330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't know what it was called. It was Candy. Candy Berman and Rita Goldstein,\nI think it was. I think they were the two chairmen for the hospitality, all the\nlocal stuff for the GA. General Assembly. They asked me to be the chairman of\nthis event. It was pretty natural. It wasn't anything out of . . 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That was the beginning of your archive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6390.0,6396.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: And we still have the box.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6396.0,6398.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: You still have the box.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6398.0,6400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: But you must have a love of history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6400.0,6403.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6403.0,6404.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Because then they asked you to write the history of Ahavath Achim [From\nGeneration to Generation].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6404.0,6410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6410.0,6411.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: How did you get involved with that? It was just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6411.0,6415.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: The centennial of the synagogue was having a centennial, and they decided ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6415.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto write this book. Ken Stein [Dr. Kenneth Stein] had written a book [A History\nof Ahavath Achim Congregation, 1887-1977], I think, for one of Rabbi Epstein's\nmany anniversaries. It seemed to me this was another thing about Rabbi Epstein.\nEvery five years, they were having another anniversary. Oh, my God, what is\ngoing on in this place? The 30th and the 35th and then the 40th and then the\n45th. Oh, gee whiz. Anyway, for one of these multitudinous anniversaries, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6420.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nsomehow, I got the bright idea to write a history. But it was really a history\nof Rabbi Epstein. Ken Stein had written this. I don't remember what year it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6450.0,6463.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: 1977.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6463.0,6464.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Something like that. Yes. So, they decided, we really need a\ncentennial history. They hired this guy who was at Georgia State, who was kind\nof like a folklorist kind of person. 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We had seen, oh, gosh, five, six candidates that brought to\nbrought to Atlanta. When he came, there was just no question that this was this\nwas the person you had to hire. I mean, there was so much more to his manner, to\nhis education, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6637.0,6661.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto his stature. I mean, everybody realized that you couldn't replace Rabbi\nEpstein with some nobody from podunk. Just couldn't do that. There was just no\nway that this was going to happen. You needed somebody of stature and somebody\nwho wouldn't be cowered by Rabbi Epstein and by his reputation and by what\neverybody thought about him and this aura that he had allowed to be built around\nhimself. And he really ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6661.0,6691.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nenjoyed it. He’s human. He enjoyed it. In my mind, there was just no question\nthat that's who we needed. I think it was the right decision. There were people\nwho did not like him. 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Yes. He was . . . He knew how to do things. He\nwas very savvy. He knew what he was coming into. He had a lot of confidence in\nhimself. The minute he hit the ground, he started having . . . to his house. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6731.0,6751.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAs I told you, nobody went to Epstein's house. I was in it for that sukkot party\nand probably never again until he retired and I started visiting him at home. He\nhad the young couples. He had the expectant couples. Then he had a college age\nbrunch at Christmas time or Thanksgiving or whatever. Then he had this group and\nthat group. He just knew how to get to know the people. 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He got your attention, that's for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6811.0,6822.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: When you're the spiritual leader for such a large congregation, was he\nalso there as an advisor if you were a congregant that needed . . . Did the\ncongregants at AA, do they go to their rabbi for that kind of thing? 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Sandler. Neil. Neil Sandler. [Rabbi] Neil Sandler. Again,\na very different personality. Very low key. A very different personality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6901.0,6912.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Some of the people that I know that you have been friendly with over the\nyears, someone like Rae Alice Cohen. Can you tell me a little bit about her? 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She said .\n. . and I had worked for her at a Girl Scout camp in Louisiana. She was very\ninterested. She was very involved in the Girl Scouts. She said, “We need you to\nbe a leader for this Girl Scout troop.” I said, “I don’t want to be a Girl Scout\nleader. I've never even been a Girl Scout ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=6931.0,6961.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nmyself.” She said, “No, you need to do that.” “Well, okay. I'll go see.” I went\nto a training session for Girl Scout leaders, and Rae Alice was giving the\ntraining session. Rae Alice was very, very involved in the Girl Scouts. She\nstarted a troop at the AA. But out in the broader thing, she was very involved\nin the Girl Scouts. 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Every once in a while, she says, “I have to go clear out my\nfiles.” “Rae Alice, what you talking about?” “I have these files.” We got very\ninvolved in the Women's League [for Conservative Judaism], which is the national\norganization. She was the president of the Southeast region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7028.0,7048.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: For Conservative Judaism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7048.0,7050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: For Conservative Judaism. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7050.0,7052.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI was vice president a couple of times with her. We had all kinds of stuff. I\nhad great admiration for her. Through Rae Alice, I got to know all the family\nsecrets of all the Cohens. Just thousands of them everywhere. Every time there\nwas something going on, she would tell me about this or that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7052.0,7078.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: I’d like to get back to something we discussed ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7078.0,7082.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\na little bit earlier in your involvement in your love of history. You've been\ninvolved with the Breman Museum really since its inception and archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7082.0,7091.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Since it was before a museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7091.0,7093.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Right, but the archives before that. Where do you see the museum? What\ndo you think of the museum's role in our community? 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I wrote some\nkind of essay, and all of a sudden, I get this letter saying, we want you to\ncome and read your essay to the Daughters of the Confederacy. Oh, jeez. Anyway,\nI've always loved history. I was a history minor in college. It has always been\nan interest of mine. Even much over and above that, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7111.0,7141.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nas far as the museum, is concerned, the museum's greatest attribute, to me, is\nthe fact that it can reach beyond the Jewish community. When we have 20,000 kids\nhere whose question to me sometimes is, are you Jewish? Yes. They have no way to connect ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7141.0,7171.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto anything in our community. The fact that we can go out there, or they can\ncome to us, and we can teach them, even if they remember maybe two things what\nthey learned here, that one, the Torah is the Hebrew Bible. Two. Hanukkah is not\nJewish Christmas. I don't care if they don't remember another thing. If they\nremember two things, those two things, let's say. 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But, to me, the impact that we can make in the larger\ncommunity in reaching out and giving real information about Jews, about Judaism,\nabout the Holocaust ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7291.0,7321.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nis just something that no other institution can do. You can't do that with a\nbook or a lecture. It just doesn't work. It has to be this personal one on one\nkind of thing. The fact that we can do that, I think, is just a great, it's a\ngreat tool, but it's a great way to have an impact on the larger community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7321.0,7349.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BERMAN: Speaking of community, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7349.0,7351.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwhat do you feel about the direction the Jewish community, the Atlanta Jewish\ncommunity, is moving towards today? Do you like what you see?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7351.0,7369.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: Where is it going? I think the greatest problem is how to involve\nother people. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7369.0,7381.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThis mass of people we have out there. It's always been a problem ever since the\ncommunity started to grow. When I first came here, even though I didn't know\nmany people, the people who are really in the midst of it, knew everybody. Even\nif they belonged to the Temple or they belong to OVS [Congregation Or Veshalom]\nor whatever, they knew they knew each other. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7381.0,7411.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey knew who they were. Now, it's just everywhere. I think it's great that the\ninstitutions are moving to where the people are. But I do think that the\ninstitutions have to keep focused on the people who are within the perimeter. I\nthink it's easy to try to get the easy pickings, the low-lying fruit ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7411.0,7441.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nof all those thousands of people out there in Roswell and Alpharetta and\nwherever. Snellville and all those places. But you still have and, I think,\nthere will always be a core of people who don't want to live out there and that\nthere will be a central core of people who want to stay within the perimeter. 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It\nhas its ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7531.0,7561.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nthings. But look, it's an institution. The institution is made up of all these\npersonalities, all these people. It's not perfect and never will be. Never has\nbeen. The people who populate it are not perfect. I think a lot of people get\ninvolved in the federation because it's the thing to do. It's prestigious to them. 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I thank you very much.\nIt's been a pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7604.0,7619.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/transcript/67588/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GOLDSTEIN: My pleasure. 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He is widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language and the world's pre-eminent dramatist. He is often called England's national poet and the \"Bard of Avon\" (or simply \"the Bard\"). His extant works, including collaborations, consist of some 39 plays, 154 sonnets, three long narrative poems, and a few other verses, some of uncertain authorship. 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He was a graduate of Boys’ High School in Atlanta, had with a combined undergraduate and master’s degree in dentistry from Emory University in Atlanta, and trained in orthodontic dentistry at Columbia University and the University of Michigan. He served as a dental surgeon for the United States Army Air Forces in Europe during World War II. He and his brother, Irving Goldstein, also a dentist, built the Atlanta Americana Motor Hotel, Atlanta’s first integrated hotel, which opened in 1961. Marvin was international president of the Alpha Omega Dental Fraternity, editor of the American Journal of Orthodontics, president of the Georgia Society of Orthodontists, trustee for the American Fund for Dental Health, honorary fellow in the American College of Dentists and International College of Dentists, and chief of staff of the Ben Massell Dental Clinic. 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A Baptist minister, King became a civil rights activist early in his career. He led the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott and helped found the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) in 1957, serving as its first president. With the SCLC, King led an unsuccessful struggle against segregation in Albany, Georgia, in 1962, and organized nonviolent protests in Birmingham, Alabama, that attracted national attention following television news coverage of the brutal police response. King also helped to organize the 1963 March on Washington, where he delivered his famous \"I Have a Dream\" speech. On October 14, 1964, King received the Nobel Peace Prize for combating racial inequality through nonviolence. In 1965, he and the SCLC helped to organize the Selma to Montgomery marches and the following year, he took the movement north to Chicago to work on segregated housing. King was assassinated on April 4, 1968 in Memphis, Tennessee. 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Although she was regularly involved, she and her husband sometimes felt isolated because of the pride associated with giving large gifts. However, after the Six-Day War in 1967, she found her purpose and became involved in the women's division (NCJW).","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2644.0,3243.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know you got involved with the Atlanta Jewish Federation [Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta].  That’s really when you, if I’m correct, became a community activist in a sense. You got involved in some of the committees with the federation and with the Soviet Jewry project.  If you could talk about that.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2644.0,3243.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Soviet Jewry","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta Jewish Federation","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish Federation of Greater Atlanta","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Six Day War","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marilyn Shubin","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NCJW","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"National Council of Jewish Women","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Women's Philanthropy","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=2644.0,3243.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Activism for Russian Jews: Soviet Jewry and Stories Abroad","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3243.0,5179.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After seeing some students protesting Federation because of the perceived lack of care for Russian Jews abroad, Doris felt she needed to get involved.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3243.0,5179.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eventually, in 1979 I went to Russia. Marty had gotten a flyer for a medical meeting there. It was a group of dermatologists who were going to the Soviet Union.  I said to him, “We have to go. We just have to go.”","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3243.0,5179.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Soviet Jewry","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Russia","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=3243.0,5179.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Being President of the Epstein School","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5179.0,5956.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Doris served as the President of the Orthodox Epstein School for two years. When the school was founded, Doris immediately enrolled her two older children and was excited about its potential. Although she had a good experience with her own children, the school began to fail due to poor leadership as they aged. After some time she was approached to be president of the school and she agreed.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5179.0,5956.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When the Epstein School was founded, of course, I was very involved in the synagogue. The person who was the director of the school was [Dr.] Hirsh Jacobson, who had become a friend. We put our two older children in the school. The younger one was at the Hebrew Academy.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5179.0,5956.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Perspectives of Current State of Jewish Day Schools ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5956.0,6253.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Doris reflects on the many choices that Jewish parents have regarding Jewish education. Though she finds herself to be most comfortable in Orthodox spaces for her own children, she is excited that there's access to Jewish education throughout high school, even if it's reformist.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=5956.0,6253.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Today, what do you think of what's going on with Jewish education in Atlanta today? Do you like the direction it is going with the Davis Academy  and Weber School  and Epstein? I mean, how do you feel about all of that? 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Doris mentions that she won an award for a history essay from the Daughters of the Confederacy.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171#t=7081.0,7358.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/129076/file/242171/index/83719/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a matter of fact, I won a history prize from the [United] Daughters of the Confederacy  or something. I wrote some kind of essay, and all of a sudden, I get this letter saying, we want you to come and read your essay to the Daughters of the Confederacy. Oh, jeez. Anyway, I've always loved history. I was a history minor in college. It has always been an interest of mine. 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