{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/639k35mq5x/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Asher, Tom"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/082/original/TheBreman_SecondaryMark_Horizontal_Blue_Black.png?1713640889","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2005-05-10 (creation)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Video"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Collection","Ida Pearle and Joseph Cuba Archives for Southern Jewish History","William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eTom Asher interviewed by Sandra Berman on May 10th and 11th, 2005 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e (general)","\u003cp\u003eThomas Asher was born in 1936 in Atlanta, Georgia, to Joseph Asher and Helen Elsas Asher.  His great grandfather was Jacob Elsas, the founder of Fulton Bag and Cotton Mills. Jacob Elsas was also one of the founders of Georgia Institute of Technology, Grady Hospital, and the Temple. The Elsas family was originally from Germany.  Thomas’ mother and father were both born in Georgia.  His parents began working at Rich’s Department Store in the 1920s.  His father was a buyer for menswear and his mother a lamp buyer.  Thomas grew up in the Druid Hills area of Atlanta.  He has one brother, Norman Asher.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe Asher family were members of the Temple, a Reform congregation.  Thomas attended Sunday school at the Temple but was not confirmed. Thomas graduated from Cornell University in 1958.  After college, Thomas entered the United States Army.  When he returned to Atlanta in 1959, he entered the investment business.  He worked at Robinson Humphrey, Inc., for 25 years before going to Smith Barney, where he remained for over 46 years.  He retired as senior advisor in 1999.   \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThomas married Rosalie Spring Savitt in 1959.  She was from Hartford, Connecticut.  They have three children, Joey, Juliet, and Hugh and several grandchildren.\u003c/p\u003e (bioghist)","\u003cp\u003eThomas Asher talks about growing up in Atlanta.  He describes the history of the Jewish community and recalls various historical events in Atlanta's past.  He discusses his great grandfather’s business, the Fulton Bag and Cotton Mills.  Thomas mentions his great grandfather was one of the founders of Georgia Institute of Technology, Grady Hospital, and the Temple.   \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThomas talks about his mother and his father who worked at Rich’s Department Store.  Thomas tells that his family were members of the Temple.  He talks about attending Sunday school at the Temple.  He relates that the family did not celebrate Jewish holidays.  Thomas remembers Rabbi David Marx and growing up with his daughters.  He remembers Rabbi Jacob Rothschild from the Temple and going to his adult education classes.  Thomas mentions he was active at the Temple as a member of the board as well as various other organizations. \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThomas talks about his childhood and college years.  He mentions attending Mary Lin Elementary School and Marist School in downtown Atlanta and remembers riding the trolley to school with friends.    Thomas describes his boyhood friends, who were all German Jewish children.  He recalls traveling to Maine for summer vacations to German Jewish camps for children.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eHe talks about attending Cornell University and remembers with fondness his classmates and the wonderful education he received.  He remembers learning of the Leo Frank murder trial while away at university.  Thomas talks about being in the United States Army and the Army Reserves.  He discusses his lifelong career as a stockbroker and recalls many exciting opportunities and wonderful memories of people he worked with.  He remembers the wonderful business mentors he had when starting in the business and attributes his success to them.  He talks about his wife, Rosalie Spring Savitt, and their three children and grandchildren.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/27929"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of the William Breman Jewish Heritage Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Antisemitism (topical term)","Jewish businessmen (topical term)","Atlanta (Ga.) (geographic term)","Cornell University (corporate name)","Georgia Institute of Technology (corporate name)","Fulton Bag and Cotton Mill (corporate name)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eTom Asher interviewed by Sandra Berman on May 10th and 11th, 2005 in Atlanta, Georgia.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eThomas Asher was born in 1936 in Atlanta, Georgia, to Joseph Asher and Helen Elsas Asher.  His great grandfather was Jacob Elsas, the founder of Fulton Bag and Cotton Mills. Jacob Elsas was also one of the founders of Georgia Institute of Technology, Grady Hospital, and the Temple. The Elsas family was originally from Germany.  Thomas’ mother and father were both born in Georgia.  His parents began working at Rich’s Department Store in the 1920s.  His father was a buyer for menswear and his mother a lamp buyer.  Thomas grew up in the Druid Hills area of Atlanta.  He has one brother, Norman Asher.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe Asher family were members of the Temple, a Reform congregation.  Thomas attended Sunday school at the Temple but was not confirmed. Thomas graduated from Cornell University in 1958.  After college, Thomas entered the United States Army.  When he returned to Atlanta in 1959, he entered the investment business.  He worked at Robinson Humphrey, Inc., for 25 years before going to Smith Barney, where he remained for over 46 years.  He retired as senior advisor in 1999.   \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThomas married Rosalie Spring Savitt in 1959.  She was from Hartford, Connecticut.  They have three children, Joey, Juliet, and Hugh and several grandchildren.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eThomas Asher talks about growing up in Atlanta.  He describes the history of the Jewish community and recalls various historical events in Atlanta's past.  He discusses his great grandfather’s business, the Fulton Bag and Cotton Mills.  Thomas mentions his great grandfather was one of the founders of Georgia Institute of Technology, Grady Hospital, and the Temple.   \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThomas talks about his mother and his father who worked at Rich’s Department Store.  Thomas tells that his family were members of the Temple.  He talks about attending Sunday school at the Temple.  He relates that the family did not celebrate Jewish holidays.  Thomas remembers Rabbi David Marx and growing up with his daughters.  He remembers Rabbi Jacob Rothschild from the Temple and going to his adult education classes.  Thomas mentions he was active at the Temple as a member of the board as well as various other organizations. \u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eThomas talks about his childhood and college years.  He mentions attending Mary Lin Elementary School and Marist School in downtown Atlanta and remembers riding the trolley to school with friends.    Thomas describes his boyhood friends, who were all German Jewish children.  He recalls traveling to Maine for summer vacations to German Jewish camps for children.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eHe talks about attending Cornell University and remembers with fondness his classmates and the wonderful education he received.  He remembers learning of the Leo Frank murder trial while away at university.  Thomas talks about being in the United States Army and the Army Reserves.  He discusses his lifelong career as a stockbroker and recalls many exciting opportunities and wonderful memories of people he worked with.  He remembers the wonderful business mentors he had when starting in the business and attributes his success to them.  He talks about his wife, Rosalie Spring Savitt, and their three children and grandchildren.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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He has agreed to do an\ninterview for the Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project of the William\nBremen Jewish Heritage Museum. Tom, I would like to thank you for being here\ntoday. I'd like to begin by asking you to discuss a little bit about your\nmemories of your family, how they came to be in Atlanta, how they came to\nGeorgia, on both sides. Let's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"start with the Elsas side.\n\nASHER: My great grandfather was born in Württemberg, Germany, as I understand it.\n\nBERMAN: His name was?\n\nASHER: His name was Jacob Elsas. Again, I'm not sure the exact date, but it must\nhave been in the 1830s. I do have the dates. You could probably look those up.\nHe had no father. Let me put it this way, he was a bastard, not literally. He\nwas, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"literally, not figuratively. He was actually a very nice man. It's very\ninteresting. My cousin, [Louis] Skip Elsas, did the research and found that his\nmother had four children, one of whom was . . . she was not married. He\nimmigrated to America probably in the 1850s. [He] went to Cincinnati, where he\nhad a relative who had been in the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"textile business in Germany. He was a peddler\nand worked his way down the Appalachians during the Civil War. He was apparently\nconscripted into the Union Army, much to the chagrin of my parents, who insisted\nfor years when I was little that he was in the Confederate Army. That,\napparently, was just not true. He then made his way to, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think he was somewhere\nin either Dalton or Cartersville [Georgia] when the war ended. He set up a store\nthere, which turned out to be the first brick building in Cartersville.\nActually, his partner, or his employee was . . . it was really a bag business,\nnot unlike what his family had been in in Europe, selling bags, I think, for\nfeed ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and flour. Again, I'm rough on those details. His partner was a black man\nnamed Mose [sp], who was a freed slave. Going forward in history, he died I\nthink in the 1950s in Atlanta as an employee of the Fulton Bag and Cotton Mills.\nOn the weekends, apparently Jacob came to Atlanta, as many people did, the great\nbooming metropolis of Atlanta, which was a big city. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He went to the Kimball\nHouse hotel bar where he was able to acquire, at some substantial premium\nbecause he was Jewish, a charter to open a mill. I guess it was really the\ncharter. The name of the charter was Fulton Cotton Mills. Maybe it was Fulton\nBag and Cotton Mills. That's how the name came to be. He subsequently opened the\nmill. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I never knew him because he died in 1932, and I was born in 1936.\n\nBERMAN: There was a [Isaac] May involved. Do you know who that person was?\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: And what his name?\n\nASHER: Yes. The Elsases and Mays had several businesses, one was a paper\nbusiness. The May split off. They separated, and Elsas went into the bag\nbusiness. May went into the paper business, which ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=210.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"subsequently became the\nAtlanta Paper Company, which subsequently designed the six-pack for Coca-Cola,\nand subsequently sold to Mead Corporation. That's my understanding of what\nhappened. I don't know. There was a prominent May family, Jewish family in\nAtlanta. I'm not sure. I don't know that.\n\nBERMAN: The mill opened at its location where it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"still is today?\n\nASHER: I believe so. I think it opened somewhere else, but it moved over there\nand built what was then, and still is, an enormous complex. Obviously, Jacob was\na very bright man. Self-educated. In the archives, we have letters that he\nwrote. The letters are carbons of letters that he had written in about 1898, I\nbelieve, somewhere shortly before the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=270.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"turn of the century. He was obviously very\narticulate, very bright, exceptional individual, considering we had no\neducation. He married a woman by the name of Claire Stahl from New York.\n\nBERMAN: That's S-T-A-H-L?\n\nASHER: Yes. They lived on Washington Street. They lived in a house which I guess\nwas on the site of what is today is the stadium because that was where the\nJewish community was, somewhere in that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whole area there. The Jews lived in that\ncommunity. By happenstance, when the city was tearing down all the houses over\nthere, my cousin, who is alive, Sinclair Jacobs [Jr.], went over to the house.\nThere was a Tiffany glass chandelier hanging in the dining room because we had a\nphotograph of the family sitting there. He insisted that the city workers take\nit down and put it in his car. Of course, it didn't belong to him. It belonged\nto the city, but they didn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know any difference. They put it in the car, and\nwe've had it ever since, for the last 40 something years, which is really kind\nof nice.\n\nBERMAN: That's unbelievable.\n\nASHER: Yes. Pretty amazing story because it could have just gone to either a\njunk heap or an antique store, technically. Maybe the statute of limitations has\nrun on that. I really didn't know. My memories are of my grandmother. My\ngrandfather, Jacob, my uncle knew ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him as a young man and worked in the mill.\n\nBERMAN: Jacob had a lot of children, didn't he?\n\nASHER: Jacob had eight children.\n\nBERMAN: Do you know their names offhand?\n\nASHER: Nettie, Jason, Louis, Oscar, who was the oldest. That was my grandfather.\nI have the list. I can give you the list of them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm drawing some blanks.\n\nBERMAN: That's fine. What about Oscar?\n\nASHER: Oscar was the oldest and was my grandfather, my mother's father. I\nbelieve he was born in Atlanta because Jacob was here. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll tell you what I know\nabout him. Of course, he died well before Jacob. He died of a heart attack in\n1924 when he was taking my mother to college. I'll tell you that story in a\nminute. He was apparently a very able guy and was the president of the mill,\nalbeit the first son was the first one to go in it, but still, he was the head\nof the company and a very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=450.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"capable guy. [He] married Emma Ehrlich, who he must\nhave met . . . I don't know the full details of how he met his wife. He went to\nMIT [Massachusetts Institute of Technology] for two years. In the interim of\nwhich, Jacob decided that the city of Atlanta and Georgia needed a textile\nengineering education. 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He was the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=540.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"older\nof the two children. My mother Helen [Elsas Asher] was born in 1906, ten years\nlater. Norman was sent to Andover [College] for education and then on to Cornell\n[University], where he got his engineering degree. Came back and worked.\nActually, he came back and he went in the [United States] Navy. He was a navy\npilot. I remember as a little boy ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I would visit their farm out in Decatur.\nIn the summer, he would walk around bare chested, and he had navy wings tattooed\non his chest. I thought that was pretty slick. In fact, I thought that was about\nthe slickest thing I've ever seen.\n\nBERMAN: Who was Norman married to?\n\nASHER: He was married to a woman by the name of Mildred [Hyman] or Mimi Danziger\nfrom New Orleans [Louisiana]. 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He didn't see military action in World War I, but he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=630.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was in the navy.\n\nBERMAN: If we could go back a second to the mill itself. It's still there.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: It's tremendously large. Do you have any recollections of going there as\na child? Your impressions? It was still in business then.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: Also, about the company town that surrounds it, Cabbagetown.\n\nASHER: I knew nothing about the company town. I do remember, as a child, the\nonly ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"memories that I have are . . . keep in mind the business closed. Excuse me,\nit changed hands in the late 1950s, early 1960s. I do remember staying with my\naunt and uncle when my parents would be out of town, in Europe, or wherever they\nhad gone on business trips. I do remember riding to the mill in his car,\nparking, going inside. I remember the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=690.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"offices and something about the looms and\nthe . . . the memories. I was a child. I don't really have any memories of the\ntown, itself. The memories that I have, which could be blurred with the past,\nare the ones that are contemporary.\n\nBERMAN: What was he like as the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=720.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"president of the mill? What was the direction it\nwent in under his . . .\n\nASHER: Apparently, it didn't do well because under his leadership, the company\nfaltered and eventually . . . if it didn't go into bankruptcy, they ended up\nselling for pennies on the dollar to an investment group that attempted to turn\nit around. Of course, the entire American textile industry, as we know, has gone\ninto a tailspin and has not really done well. I'm not sure what they would have\ndone. But they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=750.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't change. They stayed with burlap bags and that type of . .\n. when they could have gone to other . . . I suspect in hindsight. It did not do\nwell. All the members of the family, the men, worked there. The women did not,\nwhich is why my mother went to work for Rich's [Department Store] as a lamp\nbuyer. Of course, it was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"considered a male industry. By coincidence, Clarence\nElsas, who was a descendent as well, took over and was running the business with\nthe new owners in the late 1950s and early 1960s, which was kind of interesting.\nI knew him pretty well. He lived on Habersham [Road], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he and his wife. He\nmarried a woman by the name of Janet Levy, who happened to be, by coincidence,\nhis stepsister. So, the parents married. He knew her in her teens. They fell in\nlove and they got married. That's Betty and Sally Elsas' parents, who were great\npeople. But my memories are almost none of the mill, except from a distance. I\ndo remember, as a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"child, I say as a child, I remember the anguish of my parents\nbecause it was certainly a very . . . When my grandfather died in 1932, it was\nthe largest employer in the state of Georgia. They had plants all over the\ncountry. I used to talk to my mother. She had Alzheimer's in her last two or\nthree years, and the short-term memory is almost gone, at least in her case. So,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=870.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of my conversations would be, \"Talk to me about the mill.\" She didn't know\nthem all, but she knew where the plants were. She knew they were in Kansas City\n[Kansas]. They were in New York. They were in St. Louis [Missouri]. It was a\nhuge operation.\n\nBERMAN: Was it a slow demise then?\n\nASHER: I think it was probably steady, slow change in the textile [industry].\nImports from abroad and price competition. I remember that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=900.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Norman, my uncle, was\na very good friend of Elliott White Springs of Springs [Cotton] Mills. I know\nthat all of them had had problems. It's nothing terribly unique to Fulton Cotton\nMills. They simply went out earlier. They were a huge player.\n\nBERMAN: Did Norman have children?\n\nASHER: No. No children. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=930.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do know, and you can always look back. One of the\nexecutives of the Fulton Cotton Mills was Frank [Henry Neely], who graduated\nfrom Georgia Tech. He went to work as an engineer with the mill and subsequently\nwas recruited to go to Rich's. The rest is history. He was one of the great\nmanagers. He was a modern management expert. I remember the Hoover Commission.\nHe was a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"man of enormous intellect and helped to lead the Rich's growth and\nexpansion. What would have been, what could have been, in hindsight, had that\nsame genius been applied in the textile business, don't know, but certainly\nbenefited Rich's. And also benefited our family [laughs] traded one for the\nother. Going back to Boston, if I could for a second.\n\nBERMAN: Yes, that would be ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"great. That's where I was heading too.\n\nASHER: Boston. The family there was the Ehrlich family. They were doctors. They\nwere Harvard educated. They had various professions, one of which was on Harvard\nSquare, called the Ehrlich Pipe Store, which is still there.\n\nBERMAN: Really.\n\nASHER: It's not under their ownership. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1020.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It sold back 25-30 years ago to somebody,\nbut they retain it sort of as a landmark on Harvard Square. I say it's still\nthere. It was there five years ago when I was there. It's one of these\nlandmarks, the Ehrlich Pipe Store. How many people are buying pipes? I don't\nknow what they sell there now, but we were there once. About five years ago, I\nwas in an antique shop here in Atlanta on Peachtree-Dunwoody [Road]. I see two\ngiant metal signs. Ehrlich Pipes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1050.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"Oh, my gosh. I got to have those\nsigns. I don't know what I'm going to do with them. I don't even know if I can\nget them in my car, but I have to get them.\" So, I bought them and paid an\noutrageous price. Had they known my need, my \"emotional need\" for that, they\nwould have charged me twice as much. Nonetheless, I gave one to my brother and\nthe other one I kept. It's really kind of an interesting thing. So, the Ehrlich\nPipe Store was part of the family. My mother, who was born in 1906, they decided\n. . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1080.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the family had doctors. Very bright, capable doctors in Atlanta. They\nthought maybe, all things considered, maybe Boston would be a better place, so\nthey shipped her . . . my grandmother, Emma, went up to Boston to have the baby.\n\nBERMAN: Really?\n\nASHER: Yes. So, my mother was technically born in Boston Hospital.\n\nBERMAN: A Yankee.\n\nASHER: A Yankee and brought back to Atlanta. I guess it's really hilarious when\nyou think about it.\n\nBERMAN: How did your mother meet your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1110.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father? Then we can talk about some of\nyour memories of your father.\n\nASHER: Right. My father got a job in Rich's. He was born in Midville, Georgia,\nin 1901. Excuse me, he wasn't born in Midville. He was born in Augusta.\n\nBERMAN: Let's, for the purpose of the tape, say his name.\n\nASHER: Joseph F. Asher. Joseph Asher, born in Augusta. His father was named\nJulius. I don't know much about his family, quite frankly. They had all died,\nall of them, with the exception of a couple of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sisters of his. His father, my\ngrandfather, I never knew him. He died long before I was born. Had eight\nchildren also. Four girls and four boys.\n\nBERMAN: I think they were here during the war. Didn't one of his ancestors fight\nfor the Confederacy?\n\nASHER: One of his brothers, yes, did. Not one of his brothers, one of his uncles\ndid, I believe. Anyway, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1170.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they lived in Augusta. I think, as the story goes, he\nfelt that Augusta, he wasn't going to really do very well. You need to get\nyourself geographically better suited. He decided the right place to be would be\ngo up in Burke County, in Midville, Georgia. Right in the middle, between the\ntwo biggest cities at the time, Savannah and Augusta. He was going to make it\nbig. As we know, Burke County is not only still pretty ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1200.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rural but not . . . 15,\n20, 25 years ago, when the Georgia Power Company decided to erect its first\nnuclear power plant, they looked all over the state, the largest state east of\nthe Mississippi in square miles, and they landed on the most remote area they\ncould, which is Burke County. That's where they put their first nuclear plant.\nIf anything went wrong, nobody would get hurt. It would kill a little kudzu and\na few alligators, but that would be it. But they lived there. He grew up there\nand went to Burke County High School, which he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1230.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"graduated from. We have some\nwritten documents about his memories of growing up there. He didn't go to\ncollege. He said he planned to go to college, but he got appendicitis and got\nsick. It took him apparently four, five or six months to recover. He came to\nAtlanta to get a job. He got a job working in [M.] Rich \u0026 Bros. dry goods.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1260.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's where he stayed for 55 years, at which he met my mother, who was a lamp\nbuyer. Here's my mother, who is really very cultured. It's a shame we don't have\nher . . . well, we do have some oral history of hers, but she's just an\nexceptionally bright, cultured, artistic in many ways. She was a great dancer as\na young girl. We have newspaper articles. You may have them here. They called\nher a young [Anna] Pavlova. She ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a very, very talented artist and just\nterribly well read and bright. And here's this country boy from Midville,\nGeorgia. But they fell in love. The family conflict, which can go on record now\nsince everybody's gone to their great and glorious reward, is that my uncle was\njust furious. They weren't going to hire my dad at Fulton Cotton . . .\n\nBERMAN: This is Norman?\n\nASHER: Norman. Wouldn't hire him at Fulton Cotton Mills because he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1320.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had no\neducation. Certainly, he could never make, in my father's words, \"Over $7,500 a\nyear.\" That would be his maximum. He just wasn't good enough for the daughter of\nOscar Elsas. Knowing all the parties involved, I can understand where that might\ncome from. Nonetheless, one did quite well in business, et cetera. My dad and\nthe other ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1350.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ran onto hard times. Somehow the irony of it is there is some poetic\njustice in there.\n\nBERMAN: How did the rest of the family feel about the marriage?\n\nASHER: As far as I know, they felt very well. I was led to believe that it was\nWalter Rich, who was then running the business, who told my mother that this was\nthe person for her. He was the right guy. \"You need to marry Joe Asher.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1380.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So,\nthey got married. In fact, I guess, my parents' closest friends for their entire\nlife were Virginia and Dick Rich, who was . . . he wasn't the son because his\nname really was Rosenheim, but he changed it to Rich from Savannah. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1410.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a\ndescendent. I guess he was the nephew of the family on the wife's side of the family.\n\nBERMAN: One of the relatives.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: What was it like being in the Rich's business all those years? It must\nhave been really interesting to have your dad be with all the Riches, the\nStrausses, and the Weillers. Not Weiller, but Margaret Strauss [Weiller].\n\nASHER: Margaret Strauss, right.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1440.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Growing up with all of those, what I call, sort of the elite\nGerman-Jewish community here in Atlanta.\n\nASHER: It's sort of interesting. If you look at the genealogy, you can see going\nway back, four or five generations, several, five or six generations beyond me,\nthere was Abraham Sartorius. He had children, and they got married. As you come\ndown the tree, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta was a small community. You can actually trace the roots\nthat there is through marriage or relationship, between the Riches, the\nStrausses, the Elsases, and the Ashers. That's because the Atlanta German-Jewish\ncommunity was a small community. I'm very fond . . . I loved the store. I\nthought everything about it was terrific. I guess the genes are there. I'm a\nsalesman, and my dad was a salesman. Unlike Dad, I did not go into the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"retail\nbusiness for a number of reasons, not the least of which, I was very intrigued\nby an offer that I got when I got out of the [United States] Army, and I took\nit. Nonetheless, I guess it was available. But I loved it. My dad, he was\nreally, he was the kind of guy that just stuck to it. He just plodded along,\nyear after year, day after day.\n\nBERMAN: What were his different positions over the years?\n\nASHER: [He] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"must have started as a clerk. Of course, the store grew in the\n1930s. Keep in mind, I guess he went to work there in the 1920s. The store went\npublic sometime in the 1920, I believe, which probably fostered a lot of its\ngrowth. He was always in the menswear area. That was his strength. He was the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"buyer. Then he became, he had some corporate responsibilities. He became the\ncorporate secretary. [He] went on the board. He was on the board probably for 40\nyears, so he was an early board member. He was part of the inner group of\nexecutives that were responsible for that. His strength was . . . he was a\nbuyer. He understood the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1590.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trade. He traveled. I remember as a little boy, they\nsent me to camp, my brother and I. We would go to New York. On those trips, you\nwould have to stop in New York when you are going to Maine, where they sent us\nto camp. I can remember going into the AMC, Associated Merchandising Corp.,\nwhich was the trade group that provided acquisition for all his goods, and the\noffices. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was his life. His company was his life and those people. It did\nwell by him.\n\nBERMAN: What kind of memories do you have of Dick Rich?\n\nASHER: Very fond memories. I was crazy about Dick. He was a charming guy. Lived\non 27 West Andrews [Drive] the time that I knew him. They lived before that, as\nmy parents did, over in Druid Hills. He lived on Fairview Road, right up the\nstreet from where Margaret lived. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1650.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was crazy about him. He was a great guy.\nVirginia. Ginny, or Virginia, his wife, was just a beautiful, charming, lovely\nwoman with a fabulous sense of humor. My mother was crazy about her. They were\njust the best of friends. As kids, we would go over there. They had the pool and\nthe tennis court. I didn't know anybody else with a pool or tennis court, but\nthey did. I grew up with them, my brother and I did, with Sally, who was the\noldest ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"daughter, and Virginia, or Ginger, who was two or three years older than\nme, a couple of years older. Mike, who was a couple of years younger than me. I\nliked Mike a lot. The families pretty much did a lot of things together. I went\nto Marist [School]. We're getting off the subject a little bit.\n\nBERMAN: No, that's fine.\n\nASHER: Marist. I was a discipline problem as a kid.\n\nBERMAN: Really?\n\nASHER: Yes, I was. My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1710.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mouth got me in a lot of trouble. I always said that thank\ngoodness I find I could earn a living using my mouth. But I was a problem. I\nwent to Highland School. Actually, if you want to go back.\n\nBERMAN: Sure.\n\nASHER: I went to Mrs. Matthew's Nursery School. That was on Oakdale Road. I had\na terrible stutter, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which I guess, subsequently, I grew out of, although it's\nsort of interesting. I, technically, don't stutter. Every now and then, at my\ncurrent age, I will get to a word or phrase that just won't come out. It just\nwon't, no matter how hard I say it. I can tell you the words. I know that when\nsomeone asks me, \"Where did you spend . . . ?\" \"We went on a trip to the Loire\nValley [France].\" I was careful to say that, but for the longest time, I\ncouldn't say, \"Loire.\" I don't know, a speech therapist will tell you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1770.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why that\nwas, but it just wouldn't come out. It's in the, last year, two years.\nNonetheless. They sent me to a school over, it was still there years ago. It was\nat North Decatur Road near Oakdale-Oxford Roads. I can remember it was for a lot\nof kids with disabilities. Most of them had physical disabilities. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I absolutely\nremember it.\n\nBERMAN: What was the name of it? Miss Matthew's?\n\nASHER: No, it wasn't Miss Matthew's. It was there. The school went on for 50\nyears or more. My memories, I don't remember the age, but I probably was eight\nto ten years old. I remember we had the Three Wise Men. We were doing the\nChristmas pageant and the Three Wise Men. I remember ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1830.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everyone had a physical\ndisability, a major disability, except me. I had this speech disability. I guess\nin those days, if you needed training of some kind, there weren't many\nresources. The state of the art was not very well known. I went from there to\nHighland School. The building is still there, but it's condominiums, on Highland\nAvenue right near North Avenue. I went from, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suspect, the first grade or\nkindergarten, first grade there, all the way through the sixth grade there with\na lot of Atlantans who I still see, including Alfred Uhry, Harold Adair, Stanley\nDaniels, and Sue Tancil [sp], who was then Sue Joel, and Gail Martin. Gosh, I\nmean, I have fond memories of that school. As usual, I got in a lot of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trouble.\nI remember I got in a lot of trouble. The reason I do remember is because my\nparents took me out and sent me to the one school that hopefully would correct\nme. That was Marist, which was, of course, a military. I don't think it's\nmilitary anymore, but it's Catholic priests, down on Pryor Street, downtown Atlanta.\n\nBERMAN: There were a lot of young Jewish boys who went to Marist.\n\nASHER: There were.\n\nBERMAN: I thought it was unusual when I first heard about that.\n\nASHER: There were only two private school opportunities for boys, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1920.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marist and\nGMA, Georgia Military Academy, which is Woodward Academy. Woodward Academy was\nin College Park. Marist was downtown. We would go in a car, a carpool. I\nremember that Lyons Joel's father had a Cadillac, I believe. It was a two-door.\nIt didn't have a seat in the back. It had a wooden bench. You could stand up in\nthe back, but you couldn't sit down. I remember as we got older, we were allowed\nto take the trolley ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from Springdale Road.\n\nBERMAN: What other Jewish boys went to Marist with you?\n\nASHER: Richard Strauss was in the class with me. Jimmy Montag was in my class.\nSkippy Elsas went there, but he was a year younger than me. Most of us left\nthere in the ninth grade. Only seventh, eighth and ninth grade there.\n\nBERMAN: And they were very accepting ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1980.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because it's a Catholic school.\n\nASHER: Very. It's very accepting. There was no pressure on us to do anything\nreligious. I remember we would have to just sit during the Catholic training\nclass. As a result, I, by absorption, knew all the prayers. But, no, they were\nvery, very nice. I mean, it was very accommodating. I really enjoyed those days.\nI remember very fondly . . . I do remember a number of things, including the\nfact that the military ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2010.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uniforms were horribly hot. I do have movies, which I\ngave you, of us. Had to be the ninth-grade prom, where I took Sue Tancil. Was\nSue Gumble. Sue Joel. Excuse me. Stanley [Gumble] was her first husband. Jimmy\nMontag took Gail Martin. The four of us, I'm sure we have movies of that.\n\nBERMAN: After Marist you went?\n\nASHER: Marist. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2040.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My parents were not happy with my grades. My grades were actually\ntoo high. That was the first time in my life that I was getting, literally, and\nI'd never done this before. I was getting like 95 to 98. They said, \"No son of\nours is that smart. We're taking him . . . .\" To go back on the discipline\nthing, I remember that the head of the Highland School, and I can't think of her\nname, but she was the head principal. She was a big Catholic. She was at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2070.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of\nthe graduations or one of the ceremonies or something there. She was astounded\nthat Tommy Asher could get those kinds of grades. It was just more than she\ncould bear, considering I had spent so much time in the hall and had done very\nlittle studying. You know, what can you learn in the hall? That's where I spent\nmost of my time. 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He was a friend of the Vanderbilt family.\nHe would go to visit the Vanderbilt house there, the grand house in Asheville.\nLoved the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2130.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"place, but [he said], \"We can't stay here year round. There's no place\nto educate our children.\" So, he founded the Asheville School. My dad had a\npartner, a fellow by the name of Joe Mead [sp], who was a great guy. I remember\nhim very well, and his daughter still. His daughter died, but his son-in-law\nstill lives here. A fellow named Craig Maher [sp]. He was from Asheville. His\nfamily was in the banking business there. He said, \"We got a great school that\nhe went to. You ought to send him up there.\" There we go. So, they shipped\nNorman, me, and Mike Rich. The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2160.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three of us were taken out of Marist and shipped\nunceremoniously up to the Asheville School, which I just hated, every minute. I\nthought I was in prison. It was morose. It was difficult. Sure enough, as they\npredicted, my grades plummeted. It was a real academic burden.\n\nBERMAN: You were there until your senior year?\n\nASHER: Right. I was there. Graduated from the Asheville School. I applied to two\ncolleges. I applied to University of North Carolina and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2190.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Cornell. My uncle had\ngone to Cornell. My brother was at Cornell at the time. All the friends that I\nknew at the Asheville School, including my classmates, were going on to\nCarolina. I just wanted to go there because that's where they were going. I only\nknew one person at Cornell, and that was my brother. I hadn't visited. But my\nmother and father said, \"That's where you're going.\" That's good enough for me.\nThat's where I'm going. Sure enough, we ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2220.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got in our car in fall of 1954 and\nheaded up to Ithaca, New York. Takes a couple of days to get there. Pull up, and\nthat's the first sight I've ever seen of the campus. I thank the good Lord that\nthat happened because it was the greatest experience of my life. I mean, I still\nlook on my college days, not only as the most enjoyable, rewarding, and\nstimulating, I was in an academic atmosphere that was wonderful. The courses\nwere ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2250.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fascinating. Teachers and everything. It was just state of the art in terms\nof . . . I found out that prep school was a lot tougher because it wasn't\nchallenging, I suspect. I don't know what the motivation was, but I loved it. I\nwas really very lucky. It's where I met my wife [Spring] and my son met his\nwife, so we have a lot to be thankful for there.\n\nBERMAN: Was Norman a discipline problem as ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2280.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well? Your brother Norman?\n\nASHER: No, he was not. He was the good brother. I was the bad brother. There's\nno question about that. That's always been the case. No, he was the thoughtful one.\n\nBERMAN: He's older than you?\n\nASHER: He's 21 months older. He was born on January 31, 1934. I was born October\n14. He was born on Franklin [D] Roosevelt's birthday. I was born on Dwight [D.]\nEisenhower's birthday. We went ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2310.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everywhere together. He went up to Cornell. It\njust shows you, you take it as it goes. I remember arriving on the Cornell\ncampus. By the way, that summer before, I had gone to Europe. I was The Catcher\nin the Rye. I was Holden Caulfield. I believe I was 17, soon to be 18, and very\nnaive. Alfred Uhry and I got on a tour, and we went to Europe. I'll ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2340.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"leave all\nthe X-rated stuff out, but it was an interesting experience for these two young\nboys who head off to Europe for the first time in their lives. We come back, and\nAlfred was going to Brown [University], where he wrote shows. Of course, he\nbecame enormously successful. And I headed off to Cornell. I arrived at Cornell.\nThe first thing they did was put me up in a . . . they had World War II barracks\nthen, literally, on the north side of the campus. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2370.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know if you've ever\nseen the campus. Perfectly beautiful place. If you filmed a movie, you would say\n. . . there are several campuses where are prototypical, the dream campuses.\nWellesley [College] happens to be one, where my mother went. I'll talk about her\nin a minute. Cornell was the other. I remember these World War II army barracks\nwhere they put us up. They had these new buildings about to open, but they\nweren't ready yet for us freshmen. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2400.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fraternity rush comes around. They did that\nbefore school started then, literally. I remember we were there. I had an\ninteresting experience. The first time we get up to Cornell . . . is this train\nof thought okay?\n\nBERMAN: It's wonderful.\n\nASHER: This is James Joyce train of thought. When you showed up there in those\ndays, they had a summer camp. They took us in buses. All the freshmen,\neverybody. This was two weeks before any classes or anything. You get in a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2430.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bus,\nand you head off [for] two or three or four days, someplace in the Pocono\n[Mountains, Pennsylvania] into, literally, a camp. Cabins. The idea was . . .\nthey had the cheerleaders there. They taught you the songs. It was really camp.\nAbout the history. During the day, you do camp stuff. I do remember sitting\naround that first time in my life, and as we were getting ready to go to sleep,\na couple of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2460.0,2490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"students started to talk about Christianity and how much Jesus\nmeant to them. They were crying. I mean, I was really witnessing. It was for the\nfirst time, all of a sudden, \"What is going on here?\" This was an experience I\nhad never seen in my life. Then I realized that I had not really spent a\nsegregated life at all.\n\nBERMAN: I'm so glad you mentioned that, because that was my next question. I\nwanted to talk about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2490.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"growing up in Atlanta and being within the kind of insular\nJewish community and also the role that religion might have played within your\nfamily, and about the Temple and some of your recollections there. If we could\nfirst talk about . . .\n\nASHER: Okay.\n\nBERMAN: There's a lot. [Laughs] Did you just associate within a small group of\nJewish . . .\n\nASHER: Yes. To a large extent, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2520.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yes. As a matter of fact, not only did we\nassociate with a small group but we were members of the Temple. My parents were\nmembers of the Standard Club. We were the German Jews. We heard a lot about the\ndifference. In fact, they really didn't approve of . . . I don't remember any\noutward disapproval, but I do remember some association with either Conservative\nor non-German Jews. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2550.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That wasn't our crowd. It wasn't our kind. There is no\nquestion that in The Last Night of Ballyhoo, Alfred Uhry captured it very, very\nwell. It's really sad and unfortunate, but thank goodness those days are gone.\nThe reality of it, was they wore their German Jewish heritage on their sleeve.\nThe rest of the Jews were okay, but they were not . . . they were a little too\nJewish. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did go to Sunday school where, as usual, we got into trouble.\n\nBERMAN: But you didn't really associate with non-Jews, even at Marist?\n\nASHER:No, we did not. Did not associate with non-Jews. In grammar school I had\nsome friends, but they really were . . . no, you're right. Our crowd was\nlargely, the kids I grew up with and associated with were our ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2610.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"parents' friends'\nchildren. That was who we played with. That's who we saw. They were in our\nneighborhood, and that was pretty much it. We were at the Standard Club, which\nwas, of course, a German Jewish club.\n\nBERMAN: By the time, in the 1940s . . .\n\nASHER: The Temple, which was a German Jewish synagogue. Ironically, it\noriginally was Orthodox. synagogue.\n\nBERMAN: By the 1940s, didn't the Standard Club start to have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some eastern\nEuropean Jews?\n\nASHER: I'm sure they did. I do remember going over there. I can remember, that\nwas our time in the summertime, where we would go if we didn't go to camp. We\nwent to . . . my parents first sent me to Fritz Orr Camp, which was on the\nWestminster property. Any vacation time in the summer, it would be at the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2670.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Standard Club. Then the polio epidemic broke out.\n\nBERMAN: What year was that?\n\nASHER: We were at the 50th anniversary. It's got to be in the late 1950s, mid to\nlate 1950s. I'm guessing. Somewhere in there. Right around the 50th anniversary.\n\nBERMAN: Yes, I think so.\n\nASHER: I can remember both being quarantined at home, literally, not being able\nto leave the house. I remember my mother used to bring games home to us. We'd be\nstuck on our property for weeks ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2700.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at a time. Then they figured when we got old\nenough, they could send us to Maine where there was no polio outbreak.\nApparently, the outbreaks were confined to the South.\n\nBERMAN: That's so interesting to me because I often wondered why so many young\nGerman Jewish kids from Atlanta went up to Maine for camp. I wonder, is that the reason?\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2730.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes and no. Yes, there was reason to get them out of the South. There\nwere camps in the South. There is Athens Y[YMCA] and other camps that a lot of\nJewish kids went to. Of course, the great German Jewish camps were in Maine.\nKennebec, Nebagamon, and Wigwam. I don't know all the names offhand, but up\nthere, you were with your kind. There was our crowd. The Goldmans and the Sachs\nwere there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can absolutely remember about two years ago, I'm at a meeting of\nthe Community Foundation . . . we have an investment committee, which I've been\non for a number of years. We had hired the son of Gus Levy. He was in his mid to\nlate 60s, who was one of the founders of Goldman Sachs, one of the early, major\npartners. This guy is sitting at the other table talking about investments of\nthe Community Foundation. I said, \"I know this guy. I've seen this guy, but it's\nbeen a long time.\" I went up to him afterwards. I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Did you go to\nKennebec?\" He said, \"Yes.\" I said, \"Were you there in . . . ?\" I named the year.\nHe said, \"Yes.\" I said, \"I remember you, but I don't remember you in long pants.\nI remember you in short pants.\" That was Peter Levy. A lot of them went on to\nWall Street careers. That's where they were. That was the German Jews, which, as\nyou know from Our Crowd, Stephen Birmingham's story, they all headed off into\nrestrictive investment banks because Jews were not allowed to be at Morgan\nStanley. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2820.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were allowed in Bache [\u0026 Company]. That was the other crowd\nbecause Jules Bache was not of the \"our crowd.\" It was Goldman, Sachs, Loeb\nRhoades, and Lehman. These were all the great, wealthy industrialists, the\ninvestment bankers to much of America. They were there. They went to those camps.\n\nBERMAN: Is that how you first ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2850.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got interested in . . .\n\nASHER: No, it really isn't. I knew zippo about the business. I knew nothing\nabout the investment business. I was very blessed. I got in the business because\nJulian Hirshberg, who owned a broker-dealer here in Atlanta. Was a very\nsuccessful over-the-counter broker-dealer. He was a friend of my parents. He\noffered me a summer job. I met a man there by the name of [Newell] Barnard Murphy.\n\nBERMAN: Harden?\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2880.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barnard. BAR-nard is the way it's pronounced. When I got out of the army,\nwhich was in the fall of 1950. Excuse me, early in the year, in March, February\nor March of 1959. When I got out of the active army, he called me up, and he\nsaid, \"What are you doing?\" I said, \"I'm not doing anything.\" He said, \"How\nwould you like to be a broker?\" I knew nothing about what a broker did other\nthan a small amount of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2910.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"summer work. I didn't even know what they did. I said,\n\"Well, that sounds good. Where are you?\" He said, \"I'm at a firm called Goodbody\n\u0026 Company,\" which is on Marietta Street. I went over for the interview, and he\noffered me a job, which was one job more than anyplace else has ever offered me.\nI guess the assumption was I could work at Rich's if I wanted to. I was really\nlucky. This guy was . . . first of all, it turned out I have an aptitude for\nselling, and I like the business. But more important than that, a lot of people\ndo that. He was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2940.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a wonderful leader. He was kind. He was interested. He was\nconcerned, and he was a mentor. It's a tough business. The volume on the [New\nYork Stock] Exchange is two million shares. That would be a busy day, quite\nfrankly. It was anything but what we have today. He was great. He was one of the\ngreat people I've ever known in my life. I was fortunate enough ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to go from there\nto, without getting into the business history, on to Robinson Humphrey, where a\nsecond or third mentors were Justus [C.] Martin [Jr.] and [Alexander] Sandy\nYearley, who were running the firm then. It was a small business. Probably had\nless than a hundred employees then. They were, same way, same type of\npersonalities. They were terrific. Goodbody actually went out of business, which\nis where we separated. I needed to get a job, so went out interviewing for a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3000.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"job\nand found Robinson Humphrey would hire me. They were the same way, and so I've\nbeen lucky. Unfortunately, both of them have died, and the company has been\nsold. I'm still at Smith Barney, an LLC Citigroup. Nonetheless, in some 46 years\nin the investment business, going back to 1959, I've had . . . and most people\ndon't have one, but I've had three people who were just brilliant, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3030.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"capable\npeople who cared. That's a whole other story.\n\nBERMAN: No, I think it's so interesting. Do you find yourself that you have\ntaken on the role of mentor over the years to young people who have come in\nbecause of those experiences?\n\nASHER: I think so. I've tried to do that. I was a manager of two offices in\nAtlanta, one of which I started from scratch. Hired all the employees and bought\nall the furniture and bought the signs and did the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3060.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"advertising, and I still see\nthose people. I tell people that in my 46 years in the business, I've only cried\ntwice, and it wasn't when I retired. It was when I left those two offices. One\nof them was a big office. The small office, we had about 20-25 brokers and\nanother 10 or 15 staff. The other one had about 50 brokers and about 35 staff.\nYes, it really is your family. I still see a lot of those people. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3090.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some have gone\non and have been enormously successful, have made great fortunes. Whatever\nthey've done, they've been successful. Yes, I really have. I still try to do\nthat. That's why really the last four or five years, since I really retired,\nthat's why I teach, mainly, in the investment business.\n\nBERMAN: Where do you teach?\n\nASHER: I teach at Smith Barney. I go around the country. They have a training\ncenter. I spend probably, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3120.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"typically, two weeks a month there. I could never . .\n. I honestly contribute a lot of success was the encouragement of my wife, who\nsaid, \"I know being on straight commission is hard, but you can do it.\"\nSecondly, to the people that were there. The attrition in our business is about\n85 percent. Fifteen percent survive. Eighty-five percent say, \"You know, what?\nI'd rather have my hand slammed in a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3150.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"car door than do this anymore. My life,\nit's awful.\" Anyway, that's probably more than you wanted to know.\n\nBERMAN: No, no, it's not. Because we have lots of time. As long as you are ok.\n\nASHER: I've got time. Yes.\n\nBERMAN: I want to get more to your wife in a minute. First, I want to go back\nagain to the religious part and the Temple. What are your recollections? Do you\nhave recollections, strong, of Rabbi [David] Marx?\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3180.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do remember him. But keep in mind, I was very young.\n\nBERMAN: What did your parents think of him? Do you remember discussions about\nhim? Because I didn't hear one way or the other.\n\nASHER: He was a neighbor. He lived . . . I shouldn't say he was a neighbor. His\nson turns out to be one of my dad's closest friends, David Marx. I grew up with\ntheir daughters, Mary Louise and Ellen, who lived right around the corner from\nus. We all lived within a block. We lived on Springdale, Oakdale, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3210.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lull Water.\nThose were the streets in Druid Hills. That's where they lived. We would carpool\ntogether to Sunday school. I remember. Again, I spent a little bit of time in\nthe rabbi's office, not at my own \u003cunintelligible\u003e because I was a problem.\n\nBERMAN: Was he stern?\n\nASHER: He was. I don't remember. It's sort of interesting. I remember [Rabbi\nJacob] Jack Rothschild very well. I had an incident with Jack Rothschild. I\nliked him a lot. I mean, I have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3240.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seen some brilliant, articulate professors at\nCornell, who I just was crazy about, who I found to be, just their minds were so\ngood. When I got out of the army, which was in 1959, I became active in the\nAtlanta community. I became active at the Temple. I went on the board of the\nTemple early on. I used to go to adult education classes that Jack Rothschild\ntaught. I thought he was terrific.\n\nBERMAN: What was he like as an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3270.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"individual?\n\nASHER: Nice guy. One of the really nice people. He wasn't a hail fellow. I know\nhe played golf in the Standard Club. He was very good friends with some of my\nparents' friends. To a certain extent, he was in their social circle, he and\nJanice. I really respected him. I thought he was terrific. My parents were not\nreligious at all, and my father was almost areligious.\n\nBERMAN: And yet they still only had Jewish friends.\n\nASHER: Only had Jewish friends. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They really, unfortunately, sadly, were part of\nthat group that were either assimilationists or to a certain extent, were\nashamed of being Jews. Wanted to be accepted. It's not unlike what's read in the\nPhilip Roth book. It's very similar. I thought it was unique to us. The one\nthing that was encouraging over the years is to find that there were other\npeople who had similar families.\n\nBERMAN: Why do you think they felt that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way?\n\nASHER: Leo Frank possibly. I really don't know. I know that the community was,\ndon't forget, all the clubs were restricted. There was the German Jewish club,\nthe Standard Club, the Mayfair Club, and the Progressive Club. Supposedly, the\nelite were in the Standard Club. I still have some friends of mine who jokingly\nsay, \"We knew you were goyim growing up.\" I didn't think in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3360.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"those terms. These\nwere people who were in the other crowd. I don't know. It's really kind of sad.\n\nBERMAN: Did you celebrate Jewish holidays?\n\nASHER: No, we did not. We didn't. The only Passover I can remember ever going to\nas a child was at . . . Frank was not Jewish. He converted to Judaism. His wife,\nRachel Parker, Rae Parker, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3390.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was Jewish, and her son was a rabbi. He fell in love\nwith her. Of course, Frank Neely was god. He was head of Rich's. He was a\ncommunity leader. He was everything. He was on a national plane. He was friends\nwith President Roosevelt. He had this spectacular home, which is today known as\nthe Neely Farm. I think the house is still there. It's a huge development, which\nyou have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3420.0,3450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"films of. I gave you pictures of scenes of Frank Neely at his farm,\nwhich are really kind of interesting. I can remember going in his house. You\nhave to bring me back on track. But seeing pictures of presidents. My only\nremembrances are Passover that he had at his apartment in Atlanta. We had no\ncelebration. There was even sort of a cynical . . .\n\nBERMAN: But didn't the rest of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"German crowd go to services on Rosh Ha-Shanah\nor Yom Kippur or just on the High Holy Days?\n\nASHER: I think so.\n\nBERMAN: But your family didn't?\n\nASHER: They did not.\n\nBERMAN: Did you feel left out?\n\nASHER: No.\n\nBERMAN: Did you go to Sunday school?\n\nASHER: I went to Sunday school, yes. We went to Sunday school at the Temple.\nDon't forget, I didn't get confirmed because I was sent up to the Asheville\nschool before ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. I remember going to the Asheville School, and there was a\nboy there that . . . a small class, 16-18 people in your class, the only other\none Jew in the class. I remember they didn't like him. They wanted me to do\nsomething because it would be okay if I did it because I was a Jew. All of a\nsudden, this stuff is just starting to dawn on me. \"What's going ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on here?\" You\nknow, you're a creature of your environment. You don't know. When I went to\nCornell, my brother had joined . . . didn't join ZBT [Zeta Beta Tau]. That was\nthe German Jewish fraternity, as you know, and the kids from the west. He joined\nthe New York Jews, much to the chagrin of my parents, Tau Delta Phi. In\nhindsight, probably some of the most extraordinary human beings in America today\ncame out of that fraternity, including ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of my classmates, is MacArthur\nFellow, Emeritus Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader's husband [Martin D. Ginsburg]\nwas a fraternity brother and so many accomplished people. The head of Goldman\nSachs. For the first time in my life, and I was the Southerner, and my brother.\nWe were the only ones that weren't from either Westchester [County, New York] or\nNew York City, came out of Horace Mann [School], ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3570.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came out of the public schools.\nAs a result, they were super bright. We had 65 fraternities and 13 sororities on\nthe Cornell campus. They had probably 10 or 12 Jewish fraternities. They would\ntake all the grade scores of all the students in the entire campus, and they\nranked the fraternities. My fraternity was always [receiving] the highest grade\nscore, the smartest kids.\n\nBERMAN: You were in the same fraternity as your brother?\n\nASHER: Yes. Class had not even started. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3600.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm coming out of this restrictive boy's\nschool, where I barely got out with the skin of my teeth. I thought the work was\nterribly difficult. In hindsight, it was, to a certain extent, not unlike\nWestminster, which my daughter and son went to. They got Bs and Cs at\nWestminster. Joey, my oldest boy, was a cum laude at Cornell. My daughter was an\nhonor student at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wellesley. There is no question these are good prep schools.\nAnyway, I was subjected for the first time in my life to people . . . Jews. We\ncould not join a Christian fraternity. No way.\n\nBERMAN: Was that shocking to you?\n\nASHER: To a certain extent, but there were so many Jews. I could tell . . . you\ngo to these fraternities, rush parties. Rush luncheons is what they were. They\nwere always at lunch, as I recall. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To a certain extent, Cornell, which has a\nheavy New York influence because a lot of colleges are state universities. These\nwere kids from the South. They thought you were different. It's sort of like\nHoke in Driving Miss Daisy when he wanted to get his raise. It was nice being\nfussed over. I enjoyed that. It came down to pledge time. On my hall was a guy,\nwho I'm ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3690.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"still friends with. He's a guy named Jerry Wedran from Cleveland, Ohio,\nwho became . . .\n\nBERMAN: Jerry what?\n\nASHER: Wedran. W-E-D-R-A-N. I knew all those guys from Cleveland and Shaker\nHeights because they were his friends. I didn't have any friends there, but we\nwere all in the freshman hall together. It's sort of interesting. I got a bid to\nZBT, but I'm not going there. I'm going where my brother is. I mean, how can I\ndo that? I don't know anybody. So, I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3720.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"joined without knowing too many people. In\nhindsight, I was just so lucky because these were so gifted and so talented and\nso bright and so interesting people. They were anything but cut out of a mold.\nWe had the first black member of a fraternity on our campus. We had so many\ntalented people. It was just a wonderful experience. I remember in rush, now\nthat you asked me the question. I remember in rush ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"week, still class had not\nstarted. I think class had just started, but rush week, not rush week. Pledge\nweek, when you pledge. There was the paddling and the hazing which went on. I'm\nsure it's minimized today, but it was classic. Goes back years and years. I\nremember we had a vow of silence. You couldn't speak to anybody during that\nweek. If you spoke to them - I don't know what they would do to you. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3780.0,3810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was not\nsmart. But I can remember they would call my room. They would call your room.\nCall the dorm and ask to speak to you. If they called to speak to Tom Asher,\nit's okay, but if they called to speak to Tommy Asher, that meant it came from\nmy brother's fraternity. They knew me as Tommy, which was my name, and I knew\nit. Don't answer the phone.\n\nBERMAN: That's funny.\n\nASHER: It is funny.\n\nBERMAN: You told me a story once. I'd love you to repeat it for the interview,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3810.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about going to Cornell and it was the first time you had ever heard of Leo Frank.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: If you could just repeat that incident for me.\n\nASHER: It was my freshman year. The whole experience was so enlightening. By the\nway, in that dorm next door to me was an Orthodox student, who I used to have to\ngo . . . he would come in and say on the Sabbath, would I turn on the lights for\nhim. All of this is so brand new to me. I go to Cornell, and a fraternity\nbrother says to me, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"You're from Atlanta. You must know all about Leo Frank.\" I\nsaid, \"Leo who? Never heard of him.\" He said, \"My uncle\" or \"cousin had written\na book about it. Would you like to read it?\" \"Yes, I'll read it.\" So I read\nthis. It was a short thing. I said, \"My goodness, this is Leo Frank. He went to\nCornell. He's from Atlanta. This whole story is unbelievable. How come I didn't\nknow anything about it? I remember coming home for my first vacation. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3870.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't\nthink it was Thanksgiving because we would go to New York for Thanksgiving to\nthe Biltmore Hotel. Again, my eyes are just open to this new world that I had\nnever . . . In hindsight, I lived a very cloistered existence. At the Biltmore\nand the Roosevelt Hotel. I was just in a whirlwind. But I remember going home\nand coming in and saying, \"Mom and Dad, you're not going to believe. Do you know\nanything about Leo Frank? This is unbelievable.\" They say, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"What do you know\nabout Leo Frank?\" They were mortified. And a hush. It's not unlike what Alvin\nsaid in the video tapes, and others. It turns out, as I found out, that I knew\nthe names. I knew the Haas family. Leonard Haas. Leonard, who was a member of\nthe defense team. His son was one of our friends growing up. Of course, I knew\nthe Selig family. I knew all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3930.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. I went back to Cornell, and my parents were\njust mortified that they send their son all the way up to Ithaca, New York, and\nwhat does he come back with but Leo Frank? Couldn't he come back with something\nuseful, productive, rather than counterproductive? It starts to sink in. The\nanti-Semitism and all of it starts to take place. My mother then told me that\nshe recalls standing on the balcony of the Biltmore Apartments, where she lived.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3960.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her first home that she recalled was . . . the building is still there. It's\ndiagonally across from the Fox [Theatre] and seeing the crowds go out to\nGovernor [John] Slaton go out to attack the governor when he commuted Leo Frank.\nShe was probably seven years old, eight years old at the most, but she recalled\nthat. We had some conversations, but they were not happy. Here's my dad, this\ncountry boy in Atlanta, desperately trying to be accepted. Desperately. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3990.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No\neducation. Family not particularly liking him. Wanting to assimilate, show that\nhe's worth something. I can see all that now. I also can remember, sadly, I\nremember hearing snippets of phone conversations when Jack Rothschild was\nspeaking out on behalf of civil rights. I didn't know what was going on, but I\nremember my father would talk to his friends, and they were hot. They didn't\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4020.0,4050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like that one bit. I knew it was wrong. Here I was in the Eastern establishment,\nvery liberal, educational atmosphere, and then I saw the difference. I saw the\nenvironment that my father grew up in, and I understood it. That's where you\nhave the conflicts. You say, \"I know he's wrong, but that's my father.\"\n\nBERMAN: And was it shocking, coming home after being at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4050.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school? You're in\nschool, and then coming home and it's still white only here. The buses, blacks\nin the back of the bus. Was it a shock either way, going up north and\nexperiencing an integrated society and then coming back here?\n\nASHER: I don't know if it was a shock. Don't forget, I went in the army also. To\na certain extent . . . also met my wife in college, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4080.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she was Conservative.\nHer grandmother had an accent and came from the old country. They were kosher,\nmuch to the chagrin of my parents. You know, why couldn't I go up there and\nmarry someone like us? They soon saw through that. It was such a silly veneer.\nShe helped integrate our family, literally. She immediately insisted . . . don't\nforget, I grew up we had Christmas trees. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4110.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My remembrance of Christmas . . . of\ncourse, my father was in the retail business, and Christmas is the fifth season.\nThat's when they make all their money. Rich's was grand. There is still nothing\nlike Rich's. The closest thing you can come to Rich's is if you go to Harrods.\nThat's the closest. If you go to Harrods in London and you see this opulence and\nthis beauty. I'm sure it wasn't the same, but in my eyes, that was what it was,\nand it's nothing like ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"today. I can remember on Christmas Eve we would come out\nwith the Christmas tree. We would buy a tree, and we would decorate it. We would\nsit around on Christmas Eve and sing Christmas carols.\n\nBERMAN: Say the name of your wife again.\n\nASHER: Her name is Spring.\n\nBERMAN: And her maiden name?\n\nASHER: It was Rosalie Spring Savitt. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4170.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"S-A-V-I-T-T. She was born in West Hartford [Connecticut].\n\nBERMAN: What was her reaction to Christmas?\n\nASHER: She put her foot down and said, \"We're Jews. What are you doing? Are you\nnuts?\" The answer was, \"Yes, we are a little nuts. That's true. We're nuts.\" But\nshe would not allow it. In fact, Justus Martin, who I love dearly. He was our\nchairman. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was just an exceptional human being. He used to send me a wreath\nevery year for Christmas, the crown of thorns. I would think of some way. I just\ncan't put it on my house. \"I hope he doesn't come by my house. I 'm not going to\nhave it up\" because Spring wouldn't allow it. Of course, my parents had a wreath\non the door, and they had a tree, and my brother did too. He was in the retail\nbusiness. But she wouldn't allow it. She had Passover. She insisted on the High\nHoly Days. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She grew up in a devout household.\n\nBERMAN: When you were married, did you stay at the Temple?\n\nASHER: Yes. We always stayed at the Temple. The Temple has evolved too. It's a\nlittle later than it's evolved with our marriage. It was pretty obvious to me\nthat we were wrong in the way we conducted ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4260.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ourselves, but that was it. It's all\nI knew. The solace was that Alfred wrote about it. I found out that all of a\nsudden, you find other people all over the country they experienced the same\nthing. I can remember going to see the first . . . it wasn't. I saw The Last\nNight of Ballyhoo. Of course, Alfred and I went to the last Ballyhoo together.\nWe double dated to it. But The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4290.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Last Night of Ballyhoo was the formal. It wasn't\nthe last Ballyhoo, it was the last night of the weekend. I can remember\nBallyhoo. Ballyhoo, as you know, was German Jews in Atlanta. It was Falcon.\nThere were a couple of others. I don't recall the names, but there was one in\nMontgomery. The one in Birmingham was Jubilee. I can remember going to Jubilee,\nbut most of those faded by the time I got into my late teens, so I missed ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"most\nof that. That was a German Jewish event because it was at the Standard Club, to\na large extent.\n\nBERMAN: What year did you and Spring get married?\n\nASHER: We got married in 1959.\n\nBERMAN: Here in Atlanta?\n\nASHER: No. We got married in Hartford.\n\nBERMAN: Then did you move back here to Atlanta right away?\n\nASHER: Yes. Right away. I had gotten a job in the brokerage business at Goodbody\n\u0026 Company in March of 1959. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4350.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had been engaged since Thanksgiving of the\nprevious year. We had met. It's interesting. My junior year in college, Spring's\nuncle, who went to Cornell also, he was a judge in Hartford. He was a Cornell\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4380.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Law [School] grad. He said that he was coming up to the Cornell Syracuse game in\nthe fall and that he had a date for her. Don't get a date. It turns out the date\nfell through, and she ended up coming over to my fraternity house. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4410.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that\nwas the weekend . . . I did not have a date. My date, that was a whole other\nstory, was a girl I was dating at the time was off at someplace else. The\nfraternity weekends were very interesting at Cornell. They were wild. I mean, a\nlot of drinking, a lot of partying, music. I mean, it was right out of, I\nwouldn't say Animal House. You worked very hard during the week, and if you\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4440.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't pass, you were gone. You were just out of there. There were bright kids,\nstudying hard. Come Saturday, Friday night and Saturday and football weekend, it\nwas right out of the movies. I met her at the fraternity. She had a date with a\nboy named Herbie Kaplan, who was a fraternity brother, and we met. She graduated\nfrom . . . she went to Loomis Chaffee School in Hartford [Windsor, Connecticut].\nShe graduated. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4470.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Came up as a freshman. She's walking along the street on the\ncampus and sees me, and she says, \"Aren't you Tom Ashley?\" I said, \"That's\nbecause all Southerners are named Ashley. If you're from Georgia, it's Ashley.\nIt was [George] Ashley Wilkes [Gone With the Wind].\" I said, \"Yes.\" She showed a\ngreater interest than I did. Thank goodness. She pursued me a little harder than\nI did. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4500.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was my senior year. We dated all the senior year. It was\ninteresting. Her father was very upset. She actually joined a Christian\nsorority, which she said was a big mistake. She was rushed hard. She had come\nout of Loomis Chaffee. It was an ecumenical, largely Christian prep school. She\nwas rushed by somebody that knew her to join Kappa Alpha Theta. They didn't have\nany Jews. In those ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"days, there were a whole bunch of sororities, and that was\nsort of one of the prized sororities. If you got a bid to Theta, you were\nsomething special. She called her father and told him. He was so upset. He\nwouldn't speak to her. It really was crushing to him that she didn't join one of\nthe Jewish sororities. She said in hindsight that was a big mistake because that\nis your social group, good or bad, right or wrong. She was flattered but said\nthat was a mistake. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4560.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nonetheless, she did join. Then when I graduated, I went in\nthe army. We got engaged and got married. She left Cornell after that and came\nto Atlanta and got her degree. Not only got a degree, but she went to Atlanta\nArt Institute.\n\nBERMAN: What was her reaction to moving to the South? Was that a difficult\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"adjustment for her?\n\nASHER: Not really. She's a very adaptable person. I do remember that she used to\nbaby sit for a professor by the name of Andrew Hacker, who was a very bright\nguy, who's a very accomplished writer, teacher and political science. I was a\npolitical science major. I liked Hacker. He's written a number of great books,\nBlack and White [Two Nations: Black and White, Separate, Hostile, Unequal] is\none. He's written one just recently. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He now teaches in New York at . . . I'm\ndrawing a blank on the college. [Queens College, Flushing, New York] He's not at\nCornell anymore. She used to baby sit for him. He was just aghast. \"You're going\nto Atlanta? What are you going to do in Georgia?\" I can also remember that my\nbrother-in-law. Spring's sister married a boy from Boston. They were very much\ninto the Cape [Cod] and Hyannis [Massachusetts] and that sort of stuff. They\njust thought we were the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4650.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"biggest country bumpkins. Of course, we poured it on\njust so that it wouldn't . . . didn't want to disavow them of this of what we\nreally lived like. It was pretty parochial comparatively, but to her credit,\nshe, and I'm very pleased that she pointed out the value of Judaism and all the\ngood of it.\n\nBERMAN: Getting back to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4680.0,4710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your parents' reaction to Rabbi Rothschild's stands on\ncivil rights, was a lot of the Temple crowd like that? I've heard that he had a\nhard time moving the Temple crowd to his way of thinking.\n\nASHER: I'm not sure he ever really moved the Temple crowd. I'm sure the body\nlanguage was there. I'm sure my parents were always socially very comfortable\nwith him. I remember him coming to our ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4710.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"house for some event or something. I also\ndo remember him stopping me in the hall one time at the Temple. He said, \"I want\nto ask you.\" This is classic Jack Rothschild in his own blunt, lack of\ndiplomatic language. He was straight up. He said, \"How do your parents feel?\" I\nsaid, \"What do you mean how do they feel?\" \"How do they feel about you being\nactive in the Temple?\" I've forgotten the conversation, but it took me aback. I\nknew what he was saying. \"What are you doing here? Why are you active? Why are\nyou interested in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4740.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"coming to these classes when you've got parents who are so . .\n. \" I wouldn't call them antisemitic in the literal term. I think most of their\ncrowd was anti- . . . I wouldn't say it was anti-Jewish. It's\nanti-active-Judaism. They not only didn't wear it on their sleeve, they often\nhid it.\n\nBERMAN: Besides the Riches, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who else did they chum with?\n\nASHER: They were very good friends with the Montags, Herbert Elsas, Clarence\nElsas, Edith. Also, Ralph and Allie Uhry.\n\nBERMAN: What about the Strausses?\n\nASHER: The Strausses. Later on, they were very close with the Sugarmans, the\nFrasers, and the Haas family. They were all very, very . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they must have had\n10 or 15 couples they were very close with.\n\nBERMAN: It's so interesting to me that they only were with Jewish people.\n\nASHER: That's right. He had some association in the store with the Christian\nmembers of the community. He knew them from the board, so it gave him some\ncredibility. There's no question that that was the crowd. It was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4830.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"exclusive.\n\nBERMAN: Jack Rothschild, he really just kind of coerced the congregation to\nfollow his lead? He didn't have a lot of support?\n\nASHER: I think he was going there whether they followed or they didn't follow.\nThat was his message. High Holy Days, I mean, his message on a regular basis was\nthe unfairness of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"segregation and all of the problems. I can remember as a kid,\none of the boldest things we ever did was go to the Wallahagee or the Royal\nPeacock. I can't remember, one of which may still be there. That's where, you\nsaw the movie Ray, he [Ray Charles] played there. I can remember as a kid going\nthere. It was right ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4890.0,4920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"out of Animal House. You go in there. You're a white kid\nsurrounded by 99 percent black. They were very nice. I mean, it was a nightclub.\nIt was one of the great jazz nightclubs.\n\nBERMAN: Where was it?\n\nASHER: It was on Auburn Avenue, I believe. It was one of the great historic\nsites where great jazz singers and musicians played. They couldn't play in, none\nof the other facilities were integrated. I can remember we would go there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4920.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nremember specifically going there at least once. Of course, you wouldn't tell\nyour parents that you went because that would be too shocking.\n\nBERMAN: What about when the Temple was bombed? Do you remember your parents'\nreaction to that?\n\nASHER: I don't. I think that was . . .\n\nBERMAN: 1958.\n\nASHER: I was away at the time. I was not in town when it happened. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4950.0,4980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All of that\nwas happening at the time. Then I went in the army, where it was totally integrated.\n\nBERMAN: Did you parents go to the [Martin Luther King, Jr.] dinner at the Temple?\n\nASHER: No. For sure not.\n\nBERMAN: Because I had heard it became a \u003cunintelligible\u003e.\n\nASHER: I would like to say it with a straight face, but I can't. No. I would say\nthat my mother probably ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=4980.0,5010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would. My mother, she understood. Don't forget, my\nfather grew up in a middle Georgia rural community. That's just the way it was.\n\nBERMAN: You were going to tell a story about your mother when she went to . . .\nwhen your father died. When you took her to college. If we could digress a\nlittle bit to that era.\n\nASHER: Yes. My mother was born in 1906. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was born in Boston, literally, but\nlived in, grew up in Atlanta. They sent her away to a school called Walnut Hill\nin Natick, Massachusetts, as a prep school. Actually, she started at Washington\nSeminary, and then they sent her away. When she graduated from Walnut Hill, that\nmust have been 1924, she then went on to Wellesley, where she graduated in 1928.\nBut in 1924, in the fall, I guess it was, her ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father, Oscar, drove her up there,\nand he died on the trip. I think he died in Boston. Had a heart attack. My\nmother never got over that. She adored him. She went on and graduated. In fact,\nmy daughter, Juliet, went to Wellesley. I'm fortunate in that my mother was\nliving when Juliet graduated from Wellesley. If you've ever seen the campus\nthere, it's an exquisite place. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went over and found her dorm and her dorm\nroom. She was pretty old at the time and not in the best of shape and pretty\nfeeble, but she could open that gate of that elevator. She knew exactly what\nfloor. She knew where her room was, and she was going to go see it, and she did.\nWe left a note there. Spring is involved with Georgia Tech. She's going to a\ngraduation here coming up. They said, \"Do you have a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5100.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"robe?\" She said, \"Yes, I've\ngot a robe, a hat, a gown, and a mortarboard.\" It's my mother's that she wore in\n1928 and Juliet wore in 1986 when she graduated from Wellesley. There was a\ncoterie of Wellesley women. Allie Uhry and Edith Elsas and some others. They\nweren't her dear friends, but they have been there too. Jane Montag, I think,\nwas at Smith [College], but these were all . . .\n\nBERMAN: Was she friends with ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5130.0,5160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Josephine Hyman?\n\nASHER: Yes. I'm not sure if she went there or not.\n\nBERMAN: She went to Smith.\n\nASHER: Smith, yes.\n\nBERMAN: She was in that age group.\n\nASHER: Yes. Very definitely. I'm really glad she was able to do that.\n\nBERMAN: Didn't she also go on a world, a European . . .\n\nASHER: Yes. The year after graduation from, I think it may have been the year\nafter she . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5160.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure what year, but it could have been while she was in\ncollege. I think she was in college. She went to Europe with her mother. I think\nit was the summer of going before college. That's what it was. It was the summer\nbefore she went to Wellesley. She and her mother and father went to Europe.\nThat's where she was browsing the bins on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Left Bank [Paris, France], where\nthey still are. Where you can buy books and pictures and paintings and what have\nyou. She found a drawing that she liked. She brought it home. It was a Picasso,\na signed Picasso, which we have, which has been in some books. It was obviously\nin his early period. I guess he was born, probably was 30 something years old by\nthe time that was done in his 30s. He hadn't gone quite into the heavy, stark,\nmodernist. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was still in his realist, very realistic drawing.\n\nBERMAN: That's wonderful.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: It's so interesting to me, and I'm sure it's probably interesting to\nyou, that it was still the period when most Jews were trying to get out of Europe.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: And here they were so affluent and being able to go on one of those\nworld trips to Europe. What a life it must have been like.\n\nASHER: My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandmother, I assume she had some money. In those days she had plenty\nof money because the mill hadn't gone down, but her husband, Oscar, had died,\nwho was president of the mill. They then moved, I think they moved either then\nor shortly before he died, they moved over to the Biltmore from the Ponce de\nLeon apartments into the apartment building, which is still there. It's the L\nshaped building off one of the side streets, whatever the street is. I can\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember that. I remember vaguely that. I don't remember because he died before\nI was born, but I remember going up there and seeing my grandmother and Riley.\nRiley was the chauffeur. They had a chauffeur, a uniformed chauffeur. In Alfred\nUhry's Driving Miss Daisy, in the foreword of the book of the libretto, he makes\nreference to Riley Cobb. When he was a kid growing up was one of the chauffeurs\nof ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the family. That was right out of another era. His daughter in the movie,\nHoke was teaching at Spelman [College]. Riley's daughter taught at Spelman. So,\nhe took a lot of that . . . Then, when my grandmother died, Riley came over and\nworked for my mother. I knew him obviously there too. We have movies of him in\nthe back yard in full uniform with shiny black shoes and a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"black uniform with\nbuttons buttoned to the neck and a cap, sweeping leaves. You can't make this\nstuff up. It's a throwback to another era. It's just ludicrous by today's\nstandards, but that was it on Springdale Road. Everybody lived comfortably. My\ngrandmother died and I guess left my mother some ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5370.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"money, but for all intent and\npurposes, the mill went to zero. The net result was that all of those fortunes\nwere gone. I wouldn't say they were Enron and WorldCom, but more like Perm\nCentral. It's a closer analogy because there was nothing dishonest that went on\nthere. The industry changed, and it went out of business.\n\nBERMAN: What happened to Norman, Sr.?\n\nASHER: Norman, Sr. He was a very bright guy. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5400.0,5430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had a number of inventions. He\nhad a number of patents on machinery that was in the mill, which brought him\nsubstantial income. He was a very bright guy. In fact, in his 90s . . . it's\nkind of a sad situation since they're all gone. They could not stand his wife,\nMimi. They just didn't like her. Didn't like being around her. She was tough,\ndifficult to be around. Bette Davis in the worst moods. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, there was a great\ndivision there. They didn't speak for 10, 15, 20 years. He and I stayed in touch\nbecause he was interested in investing, and he had a wonderful mind. He called\nme for his investment ideas. We talked, and he did business with me. I would\nvisit him. Even Joey went over and did an oral history with him. I liked him. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\ndo know that he was known to be quite anti-Semitic. He associated with no Jews\nwhatsoever. I don't know exactly where all that came from, but he definitely was\ndifficult. But I liked him. I wasn't around him a lot, but a very bright guy.\nShortly after he died, he must have been 98 when he died, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5490.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Georgia Tech named the\ntextile laboratories for him because for ten years or more, even in his 90s, he\nwould be over there experimenting with textiles and fabrics and oils and ways to\nclean up oil spills.\n\nBERMAN: Interesting.\n\nASHER: He was a very bright engineer with a good mind. It was sad. He was not a\nmanager, though. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5520.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think he was more of an engineer than he was a leader. Had\nthey had his mind for the technology and Frank Neely for the management, it\nmight still be going, but they didn't and it isn't.\n\nBERMAN: What would you say is, it's kind of a difficult question, and you can\ntake a minute if you want to think about it, but your best memory of growing up\nin Atlanta.\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My memories are of my neighborhood, Springdale Road. It was a beautiful\nneighborhood then. It was still beautiful. One of the requirements I used to . .\n. my kids always said, every time we got near, we had to drive by the house. I\nmean, that was a very nice existence. I remember I loved riding the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trolley\ndowntown. Alfred Uhry and I were good friends growing up. We would go to the\nmovies on Saturdays. Our parents would either drive us or when we got old\nenough, we could take the trolley. The streetcar went straight up Ponce de Leon\nalong the side of the park, the Olmstead Park that was designed there. It's sort\nof interesting, in hindsight it was a very cloistered existence. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was\ncertainly conflict free. I remember Alfred. Al was a very interesting guy,\nAlfred Uhry. I remember he was very bright. He used to read as fast as he could\nturn a page. I always thought he was faking. Of course, he wasn't faking. He was\njust a bright guy. He was a voracious reader and obviously very interested in\nthe theater. He wrote ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5640.0,5670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"plays and musicals even in grammar school. He got me to be\nhis sports editor of the fifth grade paper, which we wrote. I may have given\nthem to you, Harrison Herald.\n\nBERMAN: Yes.\n\nASHER: We had a reunion after he won the Pulitzer [Prize]. Mrs. Harrison came\nback to it. I remember walking in there and seeing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5670.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mrs. Harrison. This is not\ntoo many years ago, in the last 20 years, certainly. Seeing Mrs. Harrison there\nat this reception, I started to cry because, my God, all of a sudden I'm back in\nanother . . . I'm sort of transported back to that because she really hadn't\nchanged that much. We all had gray hair, but she didn't have any gray hair. She\nlooked great. I was pretty amazed. Sadly, she passed away just a couple of years\nago. My memories are going out to my aunt and uncle had a great ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5700.0,5730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"farm.\n\nBERMAN: Where was the farm?\n\nASHER: It was past Decatur. It was due east of Atlanta, out towards East Lake,\nin that area. A beautiful farm with fields and crops and horses and cattle and a\nlake. My dad would go out there on the weekend. I remember sitting out there\nwith Alfred's father, who was a wonderful artist, Ralph Uhry, a brilliant\nartist. Had an easel set up. We would be playing, and he'd paint. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5730.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can also\nremember going out to a place called Lazy River Farm. That was my cousin, Red\nElsas, who was married to Janet. They bought a farm on the Chattahoochee River.\nI wish I knew where it was today. It was owned at one time by Robin Clay, who\nhad been a governor of Georgia. The Clay family was a very wealthy family in the\nhistory of Georgia. I remember this place. It was one of the great Adirondack\nlodges. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember a porch overlooking the Chattahoochee River with the big\nprobably oak beams and oak pillars holding it up. It was just a throwback to\nanother era.\n\nBERMAN: Do you think it's still there?\n\nASHER: I would doubt it, but there's no way to know.\n\nBERMAN: What was Red's real name?\n\nASHER: Clarence, who was really one of the nicest people I think I've ever\nknown. I say that because I got registered in the brokerage business in 1959.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5790.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going out there calling on people. I was probably within a year or two of\nbeing registered. He called me up and said, \"I want you to come by. We're going\nto have an underwriting.\" My company was not in the underwriting, but he had the\nopportunity to direct stock. He directed probably 30, 40, 50 clients to me that\ncould only buy the stock through us. In those days, you could do that. Sure\nenough, he gave me a gift of 30 clients on day one. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5820.0,5850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't have to do that.\nI'm sure he had investment relationships that go way back. But he was a good\nguy, one of the even-tempered, nice people, and I've met and done business with\na lot of them over the years. Many of them were not. You swallow a lot because\nthey have money, but this was a good guy. Their house is still over on\nHabersham, where they lived for many years. Morris and Deanne Whitlock live there.\n\nBERMAN: Tell me about your children. You have two?\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5850.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have three.\n\nBERMAN: Three.\n\nASHER: Joey is the oldest. He was born in 1961. Juliet is the middle child. She\nwas born in 1964. Hugh is the youngest. He was born in 1966.\n\nBERMAN: Are they all here?\n\nASHER: They're all here, knock on wood. They're all here. Juliet married Michael\nGolden two years ago. Hugh and Joey each have three children. Joey's got - the\noldest is Ben, who was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5880.0,5910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bar mitzvahed about a year and a half ago. Elliot is\ngoing to be bar mitzvahed next year. Then, Annie, who is eight now. Hugh's got\nthree children: Andrew, Kallie, and Aaron Jacob, a little guy. Their ages are\neight, six, and almost two.\n\nBERMAN: Did the Jacob come from Jacob Elsas?\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: That's great.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5910.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So how many generations now have you been in Atlanta?\n\nASHER: It goes back to Jacob Elsas. It would Jacob, Oscar, my parents, me, my\nsons. That would be six generations.\n\nBERMAN: Six generations. That's phenomenal.\n\nASHER: Yes. We have one photograph of five generations. I say five. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5940.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. I could\nbe wrong. Four. My father was very active. Starting in about 1950, he was one of\nthe founders of the Howard School for children with learning differences,\nlearning problems. I became president of it, too, and went off the board just\nrecently. But they named a gymnasium for him on their north campus.\n\nBERMAN: Why did he get active in that? Was there a particular reason?\n\nASHER: His interest was really ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=5970.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"spawned by several people. They were all members\nof the Downtown Exchange Club. My uncle Norman, Mills Lane, Billy Mayer, Albert\nMayer. All these guys were members. I think one of the projects was they met\nMarian Howard, who had MS [multiple sclerosis]. They were interested in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6000.0,6030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children\nwith disabilities because of her disability. She went to them to fund a school,\nso that sort of led to it. It ended up being solely learning problems.\n\nBERMAN: It had two locations. It only has one now, correct?\n\nASHER: Right. It had two for years. Actually, had three. One in Macon for a\nwhile or middle Georgia someplace. Had a north campus. It was pretty obvious\nthat the mission was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too difficult to run two campuses, so we basically sold the\nnorth campus, selling the other one, and merging into a new campus right near\nBacchanalia [restaurant], about 10-15 acres there, so it would be a central,\nclose to the expressway campus.\n\nBERMAN: What ages does it serve?\n\nASHER: It goes all the way through from first grade all the way to high school\ngraduation. The goal is to bring children in and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6060.0,6090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have them mainstream back into\ntheir community once they deal with the learning. It's a very interesting school\nthat they, in hindsight, for all the right reasons. These kids were known, quote\n\"losers\" because they were pretty well restricted not for emotional problems but\nlearning problems. They were losers, failures, can't pass, can't do math, can't\ndo anything. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6090.0,6120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The stigma has been with them all their lives. It's not true that\nthey're scholars. The school's whole emphasis is on what you do right. Most of\nthem end up going back in their school, but some of them graduate. Some have\ngone on to become doctors. Some have gone to Georgia Tech and fine schools. Most\nof them go into where most kids go, to a normal job or ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6120.0,6150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college. Normal colleges.\nTo their credit, they do an amazing job in building self-esteem. That's first\nand foremost. You know, school can be pretty cruel, very impressionable. It's\nvery rewarding. I was president for a couple of years and have been on the\nboard, just recently went off. I got to tell you, you go to graduation, and if\nyou can sit there . . . first of all, they talk about every kid. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6150.0,6180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They may have\n10,15, 18, 20 kids graduate. They talk about them. The teachers stand up. The\nwhole thing with school is you can never say anything negative about yourself.\nIf you say anything negative, you must then subsequently respond with something\npositive. You can't. They will stop you. You can't do that. There's no more\nnegative thought. That's so meaningful in life. There a wonderful book out, just\nwritten, called The One Thing You Need to Know by a guy named ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6180.0,6210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcus Buckingham,\nwho was \u003cunintelligible\u003e for 17 years. The essence of what he said is the\nproblem with 360, you know, companies adopt the 360. I've been through 360.\nAmerican Express did it. You emphasize your negatives. They would say, \"These\nare things. But these are things you need to work on. First of all, this, this,\nthis and this.\" Of course, you come out of there very down. You can't change\nthose things. What they're saying is you need to take someone's strengths and\nbuild on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6210.0,6240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"those, not only in business but starting out. I got to tell you, if\nyou're there for 15 minutes and you haven't cried in the first 15 minutes,\nyou're not paying attention, because what they say about these kids and what\ntheir accomplishments and what they've overcome. Kids going to Tech, going to\nAgnes Scott [College], who they said, \"You'll never get out of school.\" That's\nwhat their teachers tell them. \"You'll never do math.\" Well, the last I looked,\nyou had to be able to do math to go to Georgia Tech and with scholarships.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6240.0,6270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a free benefit that you didn't ask for in this interview.\n\nBERMAN: No, that's wonderful. What are some of your other interests outside of work?\n\nASHER: Interestingly enough, mainly in the area of developmental disability.\nThat's what's of most interest to me.\n\nBERMAN: How about the Breman Museum?\n\nASHER: The Breman Museum, too, but I shouldn't say that. I'm really going back\n20-30 years. My cousin, Skip Elsas . . . history has always been an interest.\nI'll get to the Breman Museum in a minute, but let me first go about this. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6270.0,6300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My\ncousin is a geneticist and a very prominent one. He now heads a genetic project\nfor the University of Miami, but he ran the one at Emory [University] for years.\nHe had a clinic and a private practice business and a small for-profit business\nover there, which he asked me, along with the president of Emory and me and a\ncouple of the associates who were . . . and it was really interesting. Juliet\nalso ran the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6300.0,6330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"amino analyzer for him in his office that studied blood samples.\nHe's the one that invented the newborn testing system for the state of Georgia\nin 1978. When we were kids growing up, one of my good friends, a guy named\nHarmon Bernard. You may know Susan Bernard.\n\nBERMAN: I think so.\n\nASHER: She's written some books about Buckhead, etc. Anyway, she had a\ndevelopmentally disabled child. We would take him to Sunday school. I would take\nhim to the special school that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6330.0,6360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they had, which was over at the center. Anyway,\nthen Skippy comes along. That sort of interested me. I went to Leadership\nAtlanta. This is 1972. The head of the Atlanta Alliance for Developmental\nDisabilities, then called \u003cAmerican Association on Mental Retardation\u003e Atlanta,\nsaid \"We need you. Would you like to become active?\" One thing led to another. I\nbecame active. It always just intrigued me because once I got into it, I\nrealized the difficulty and the pain and the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6360.0,6390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"problems associated with mental\nretardation were just to the powers. The family is unable to cope. I was the\nfirst president that didn't have immediate, either a sibling or a child, who had\na mental disability. But it always intrigued me. In 1977, Skippy came to me and\nsaid, \"I know you're interested in the Atlanta Alliance for Developmental\nDisabilities. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6390.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know you are president.\" I remember sitting in my living room in\nNancy Creek Road. He said, \"I can test all newborns. I know a way to do it. We\ncan stop at least 30 cases a year.\" Thirty doesn't sound like a lot, but 30\ntimes $30,000 of institutional care. You multiply it out over the years, you're\ntalking of millions and millions of dollars that's been sequenced out. I said,\n\"How do you do it?\" He said \"There is six to eight tests\". Of course, now\nthey're up to about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6420.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"15 or 20, but those are the main ones. Comes off a blood\nclot off the heel of the child and we can intervene. He said, \"I can test. I can\ntell within 24 hours whether the child has got a problem that we need to\nintervene, and we can intervene with the diet. We can keep the brain from having\na problem and causing mental retardation in those cases.\" I said, \"Well, what do\nwe do?\" He said, \"We need to get a law that says you got to do it.\" So, I went\nto ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6450.0,6480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our staff, and we went to the state legislature. That's a whole other story.\nWe got [Robert] Bobby Dodd, Coach Dodd, who didn't know beans about it, but he\nwas a good guy. We said, \"Coach Dodd, we need to go to the legislature.\" He\nsaid, \"Where do we need to start?\" The guy at [unintelligible] said, \"We need to\nstart with Tom Murphy. He's the most powerful man in the state of Georgia.\nGovernors are one thing, but this guy makes the laws.\" I remember going down the\nthree of us. It was me, the executive director, and Coach Bobby ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6480.0,6510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dodd, a great\nbig foot 6 foot 3, 6 foot four, bow-legged, former coach at Georgia Tech. He was\nconsidered God around here. We walk into the halls of the legislature. You\ncouldn't go five feet without somebody saying, \"Coach Dodd! Coach Dodd!\" We walk\ninto Tom Murphy's office, and there he had an embroidered bulldog on the wall.\nHe was a big [University of Georgia] Bulldogs [fan]. When Dodd walks in, the\nfact that they were archenemies, it didn't matter. This was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6510.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dodd. \"In Dodd we\ntrust\" was the motto. We walk in. Tom is sitting on the couch. He said, \"What do\nyou want?\" Bobby Dodd said, \"I don't know. Let me let these boys here tell you\nwhat they want to do.\" We said, \"Speaker Murphy, this is what we need. We got\nthis law we want to pass in the state, in the House. This is what it will\nrequire. This is what the benefit. This is where the funding will be.\" We got\nSidney Marcus in the Senate. No, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6540.0,6570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the House. Whichever one, I can't remember, and\n[Lawrence] Bud Stumbaugh, who's still around. Sidney, of course, passed away. We\ngot them to lead it in the other legislature. Could not have been nicer, both of\nthem. We passed unanimously in both houses. Can you imagine that happening\ntoday? It's set up. We became law in 1978, the first metabolic screening program\nin America. As a result, I and Tom Graff, we actually went up to Washington and\nmet with the director of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6570.0,6600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HEW [Department of Health, Education and Welfare]. I\nsaid the states ought to get on board here. Because what happened at the end of\nthe first year, we're getting off the subject here I know.\n\nBERMAN: No, no.\n\nASHER: At the end of the first year, all the border towns around the state,\nwhich we border at least five or six states, however many it is, where just the\nhospitals were flooded with potentially high-risk births because they knew that\nGeorgia had a testing law that could intervene. They'd get these samples off the\nnewborns and send them up to Emory. If there's a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6600.0,6630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"problem, they would actually\nairlift the child, but Skippy would intervene with it. Over the years, some of\nthem stay on the diet, intervention, for life, basically until the brain matures\ninstead of having a problem. That interested Juliet. That's why she went into\nmedicine. She's a practicing physician. The end result was . . . we went out\nthere the first time. I get choked up thinking about it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6630.0,6660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We walk out to Emory,\nand there is a Christmas party with all the kids, and they're fine.\n\nBERMAN: That's amazing.\n\nASHER: Stop the tape for a minute. But seriously, is that rewarding? That's\nrewarding. I've stayed very active there, and I'm still active. That really\nintrigues me. That's how the learning differences came in. The whole area of\nmental disability, it still is a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6660.0,6690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"serious problem.\n\nBERMAN: I think your brother was with the Howard School, too. Wasn't he active?\n\nASHER: No.\n\nBERMAN: Because he gave me some records from the Howard School, so I thought . . .\n\nASHER: Oh, he did? No, he wasn't.\n\nBERMAN: It must have been your dad's maybe.\n\nASHER: The end result is, you talk about things that have interested me? That\ninterests me because it's a problem that can't be solved. It's not an illness.\nIt can't be cured. It's a problem. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6690.0,6720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I've been interested there. And history\nhas always interested me. In 1999, I announced my retirement from Robinson\nHumphrey. Margaret called and said, \"What are you doing? You've got to meet Jane\nLevy. I know you're interested in history.\" And I've always been interested in\nhistory. I was on the board then of the Museum of American Finance in New York,\nwhich my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6720.0,6750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college roommate founded, which is a very, very interesting museum.\nI've been on the board of the High [Museum of Art], but that's art. I met Jane.\nI remember we went to Maggiano's [Little Italy] the first time I ever met her.\nWe had lunch, and I liked her personally. I liked what the mission was. The\nwhole area intrigued me. Of course, I like the Jewish history of Georgia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6750.0,6780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nhonestly believe that this is a real jewel. As I've said before, we don't know\nwhere we're going to be 10, 15, 20 years from now, but I know where my vision\ntells me what it'll look like. I don't know how we're going to get there.\nWherever we go, we go to museums. Have for years gone to museums in every city\nwe go to. This one is different. It's not expressly a history museum. There is\nhistory, but there's more ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6780.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to it than that. I would say my real passion has\nalways been history. By accident of fate, happen to get into the area of mental\nretardation. Spring knows. I mean, I cry at a McDonald's commercial. I'm a real\npushover when it comes to those things. But I do see those areas. It's not\npopular. It's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6810.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not something that you want to . . . It doesn't attract the\nsociety crowd, but it's not discriminatory. It doesn't matter who you are. You\ncan be subject to . . . we don't know 95 percent of the causes. Some interesting\nexperiences I've had, I'll give you one more, and then we'll get on another\nsubject. We used to have a group called Project Rescue. It still operates under\na different name, but it was out at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6840.0,6870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lakewood. You can imagine the area. It's a\nvery, very poverty-stricken, low-income area, mainly black, but black and white.\nYou know, when you get in poverty, colors disappear. It's when you get wealthy\nthat the colors start to mean something, but they don't mean anything there. For\nyears, we would have an awards banquet, pot luck dinner. I would come home from\nthose, and I would tell my wife, \"You just not going to believe what . . .\" You\ncan go to all the black-tie dinners ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6870.0,6900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you want to where they give out awards and\nauction off trips to Montana and whatever else, but you won't see anything like\nthis, where they give the prize is a rose. It's for neighbors helping their\nother neighbors, black neighbors helping white neighbors because they have a\nchild with a developmental disability. I said, \"Somehow or another, these people\ngot the message, the gift. It has nothing to do with education. It has nothing\nto do with wealth. There, in their heart, is the right thing to do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6900.0,6930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for their\nfellow, for their neighbors.\" I said, \"I'm telling you, you got to see this,\nbecause you live in another world if you don't think that's going on.\" When you\ngo out and try to raise money from people to give checks . . . Federation.\nThey're not going to do it. Or the United Way. Then you see what's really\nhappening. Changes how you see the community. Those are the sorts of things that\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6930.0,6960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"motivate me.\n\nBERMAN: That's wonderful. Are you still active with the Temple?\n\nASHER: I've been on their nominating committee. I've been less active.\n\nBERMAN: They have a new rabbi.\n\nASHER: Rabbi [Jeffrey] Salkin. I love the Temple. Spring and I have made\nprobably the largest one donation we've ever made to any institution. It was to\nthe Temple, their capital campaign. Spring ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6960.0,6990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, \"What do you want to do?\" I\nsaid, \"I tell you what, I can remember going in there. I was always in trouble.\nBertha Freid was our teacher. We jokingly called her, I'm sure she didn't\nappreciate, not to her face, \"Big Bertha.\" Big Bertha would take us into the\nmain sanctuary on Sunday morning. The sun would shine through the stained glass\nand the purple light. I remember Richard Strauss would lie on the floor and\ngrasp his throat as if he's . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=6990.0,7020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"The only thing I can remember is that\nI want to give money. I want to restore those windows. That's what I want to\ngive to.\" Sure enough, we were there last Friday night, and I said, \"See?\nThere's the purple on the floor.\" That was it. I told Margaret that, too. I\nsaid, \"Margaret, you only really gave for one reason, because of your brother.\"\n\nBERMAN: Why did he go on the floor?\n\nASHER: Because he and I we were bad, for no reason other than the fact that we\nwere just basically bad children. Of course, we got in a lot of trouble, but\nthat was one more way that a twelve-year-old could get in trouble. We thought we\nwere very creative. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7020.0,7050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's why I gave. If I can help. We'll restore. Got to have\nthat good rich purple in there. Sure enough, it's working.\n\nBERMAN: That is fantastic.\n\nASHER: I remember riding with her, with Margaret's chauffeur.\n\nBERMAN: With Margaret Strauss?\n\nASHER: Yes, the grandmother, who was Ruby Strauss. They had this beautiful Neel\nReid designed home there on Fairview Road, and Richard, her brother, was exactly\nmy age. We were two days apart. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7050.0,7080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can remember they had a car with a window that\nwent up, an electric window, that went up between the driver and the people in\nthe back. It was either Springdale, Oakdale, Lullwater [area].\n\nBERMAN: Did the chauffeur ever take all the kids to Sunday school?\n\nASHER: He didn't, but Alfred's grandmother's chauffeur, who was in a play, that\nwould have been Will. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7080.0,7110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Will, as it turned out, when we moved over to Nancy Creek\nin about 1970, they, Alene [Fox] Uhry and her mother were Miss Lena, Lena Fox,\nliving over there, right behind us. Our property abutted to the back of hers.\nShe was on Paces Ferry Road and Nancy Creek, but we were back-door neighbors.\nWill would drive up every day in a Cadillac. He was still there. It was right\nout of a movie. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7110.0,7140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember Morris Hirsch. He was a great guy. He was on\nLullwater Road, a great big [guy]. He was probably about six four [6' 4\"]. He\nhad Hirsch's clothing store, which had several stores here in Atlanta and one at\nLenox [Mall]. He was downtown, the only one he had when I first got registered.\nI remember it was 1959. I'd gone out. I don't know anything. I'm a kid. I'm\ngoing out and go call on these people who my dad knew. I called Mr. Hirsch. I\ngot my briefcase, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7140.0,7170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"empty briefcase. I got my suit on. I'm off. I go over there,\nand I remember walking up Peachtree Street and walking up and going into his\nstore and walking up the steps and into his office. He stopped me. He said, \"One\nminute. You need to know one thing.\" I said, \"What's that, Mr. Hirsch?\" He said,\n\"I don't do business with anybody unless . . . \" he said, \"First of all, where\nis your hat?\" I said, \"I don't have a hat.\" He said, \"Well, you need to know, I\ndon't do business with anybody that doesn't have a hat.\" I said, \"Mr. Hirsch, do\nyou sell hats?\" He said, \"I do.\" I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7170.0,7200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"I'll be right back.\" I went downstairs\nand bought a hat. That was before [President] John [F.] Kennedy. John Kennedy\nwas the one who did away with, destroyed the hat business because he got\ninaugurated without a hat. I went back upstairs and I had my hat. First hat I'd\never owned. He said, \"That's fine.\" He said, \"Now, I've got one more question\nfor you.\" I said, \"What's that?\" He said, \"What's in your briefcase?\" I said,\n\"There's nothing in my briefcase. It's empty.\" I said, \"That's what I thought\nyou have to look like to be a broker.\" He said, \"Let me give you some more\nadvice. Don't ever call on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7200.0,7230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anybody unless you got something with a briefcase\nthat's got something in it for them.\" I said, \"That's good advice.\" Years later,\nhe died, and I'm on an airplane flying out of New York to Atlanta. I'm sitting\nnext to a guy, and we were talking. I said, \"What do you do?\" He said, \"I work\nfor Jaymar-Ruby.\" They make men's slacks, the Sansabelt. Sort of a well-known\npant. I said, \"Really?\" He said, \"Yes.\" I said, \"Did you ever call on a guy by\nthe name of Morris Hirsch?\" He said, \"Yes, but you needed a hat.\"\n\nBERMAN: [Laughs.]\n\nASHER: Isn't that great? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7230.0,7260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's true.\n\nBERMAN: Really great story.\n\nASHER: You needed to have a hat.\n\nBERMAN: Do you know, in the collection I have, I think, it's a Borsalino hat\nwith the Hirsch label.\n\nASHER: Is that right?\n\nBERMAN: From Hirsch.\n\nASHER: That's a treasure.\n\nBERMAN: It is a treasure.\n\nASHER: He was a sweet guy. I did business with his estate and all long after he\ndied. But he was one of the really nice people. He was deadly serious, you know?\nYou don't do business unless you wear a hat. I'm lucky in our business today. I\nsee people going into the office wearing sport clothes. I don't particularly\nlike ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7260.0,7290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. I think they ought to dress and look like people . . . you manage\nmoney. You need to look like it. But what do I know? They have a casual life.\nYou have analysts walking around. You can't tell the guy from the mail room from\nthe senior research analyst now. But that's okay.\n\nBERMAN: That's very true. I wanted to go back a little bit and talk about your\nmom once again. We had talked . . . she was very active in community ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7290.0,7320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"organizations.\n\nASHER: She was.\n\nBERMAN: I was just hoping you could elaborate on some of those.\n\nASHER: First of all, I think that she inherited her desire to work in the\ncommunity from her father and her grandfather. Her grandfather, as you know, was\none of the founders of Georgia Tech, Grady Hospital, the Temple, and many other\ninstitutions. He was very generous. She was very active. I know ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7320.0,7350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she was\npresident of Travelers Aid. I don't know if Travelers Aid even exists today, but\nit used to have offices in the train station, the bus stations. Obviously,\nprobably the genesis of . . . the large growth came during the war, when people\nwere traveling, GIs and whatever. She was also very active in what is the\nequivalent of the United Way. She had a major role, major position in . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7350.0,7380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it\nhad a different name, which escapes me now.\n\nBERMAN: Community Chest [now known as United Way].\n\nASHER: Community Chest, yes. She was very active and had a major role there. She\nwas active in Council [now known as Atlanta Jewish Federation].\n\nBERMAN: It was Council back then. We've just processed all the records. I'm\nworking on it. They were such community activists. They did so many . . . that's\nlater. The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7380.0,7410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tay-Sachs testing.\n\nASHER: Yes, that's right.\n\nBERMAN: But early on, working women and child labor. All of those issues.\n\nASHER: Yes. She was very active in the community. She did not work after she got\nmarried, or at least not for a while. She tells the story, and it is a true\nstory. We have some black sheep in our family, too. Nobody gets away without it.\nWhen my ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7410.0,7440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"parents got married in 1933, they were really on their honeymoon when\nthey declared the bank holiday, when Roosevelt came in and tried to . . .\nsubsequently all these laws were passed. The 1934 [Gold Reserve] Act, the 1933\nAct. They came back to Atlanta, and their first place they moved to an apartment\non Collier Road and Peachtree. It's still there. My mother pointed out where\nthey lived, which is right where Piedmont Hospital is. There's a bar or\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7440.0,7470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something right next to it. They lived there for a while. I think when Norman\nwas born in 1934, they moved to the Reid house, 1375 Peachtree [Street]. I think\nthat's the right address. That's where they lived. One of our cousin's name is\nElsas Phillips. One of the daughters married a man named Phillips and had two\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7470.0,7500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children. One was Elsas, and one was Claire. \u003cunintelligible\u003e a very good friend\nof the family. Cecil Phillips and some of the family still lives here. They're\nthe ones who built, excuse me, Jacob, after his wife had died, Clara, put up the\nmoney to build what is now The Howard School on Ponce de Leon, on moved in there\nwith the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7500.0,7530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Phillips. Elsas, the son, was apparently a real problem, bad drinking\nand gambling. Never had any money. He would frequently call my mother. I can\nremember phone calls in the middle of the night, desperately looking for money,\nand my mother would always succumb. They lived in the Reid house in 1934, and he\nmoved in there. She said they had to kick him out one time because he was firing\na gun in the Reid house. Certainly not something that they needed to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7530.0,7560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have\nanybody doing, so they threw him out of there. They sort of lost track of him\nover the years. I don't know really what happened. When I was born, I guess\neither when I was pregnant is when they bought a house on Springdale Road, which\nis where I was raised. I was born at Emory Hospital. I never knew any home other\nthan Springdale Road, which was a great house.\n\nBERMAN: They lived there the rest of their . . .\n\nASHER: No, they lived there until I went off to . . . I was off in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7560.0,7590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college\nstill. I've forgotten the exact year. They then moved over to the North Side,\nover to Blackland Road, into a house at 359 Blackland, which in the past week\nhas been bulldozed to the ground. Not a speck left. I remember growing up in\nthat house. It was a beautiful home. I knew it was a beautiful home then.\n\nBERMAN: Is it still around?\n\nASHER: Still there. It's sort of interesting: I have these throw backs. I have\nthese memories. I have these dreams and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7590.0,7620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maybe others do. Maybe it's just unique\nto me. It must be a symptom of something you enjoy because for the longest\nperiod, until I faced them head on, I had two wonderful dreams, constantly. I\nwas either back at Springdale Road in that house, in that yard, doing things\nwith whatever. I don't exactly, I guess I knew I was a grownup, but I was still\nthere. Wonderful memories. A beautiful house. A Neel Reid designed home. Great\nmoldings and beautiful. The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7620.0,7650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whole thing was just very nice. And college. The\nother was I found myself at college. Like a lot of people, I was heading for an\nexam, which I hadn't done any homework for. I've been told that that's because\nyou're always, there's some anxiety there about never being prepared. But where\nis the exam room? I haven't opened a book, so what good does it do me? I was\nalways back at Cornell. Those were the two great memories. I'm not back at the\nactual school. I'm not \u003cunintelligible\u003e. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7650.0,7680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those are my two. Until I went back to\nthe both places, now they went away. It's sort of interesting. I don't know what\nthe psychology of it is.\n\nBERMAN: That is interesting.\n\nASHER: They disappeared as soon as I went back as an adult. I was active at\nCornell on their council, which is an alumni thing where you go up for a\nweekend. It's very nice. They make a fuss over you, and you see it as it is. I\nthink it's you see it as it is, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7680.0,7710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not the dream existence, the idyllic existence.\nI looked on college, I still do, as just the most wonderful, every day was a\nwonderful day. I couldn't wait to get up. I couldn't wait to go to class.\nEverything about it was just a dream. It was just a wonderful place. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7710.0,7740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The psyche\nof it was just . . . I think my childhood must have been the same, because I\nthought about that until three or four years ago. We went back, and somebody\nbought that house and had a major addition. We wandered the yards. I bored\neverybody stiff, telling them what things happened there. Like they could have\ncared less.\n\nBERMAN: Should have had a tape recorder.\n\nASHER: That's right. No question.\n\nBERMAN: Not many people can say that about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7740.0,7770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"both their childhood and their\ncollege years.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: I think that that's a wonderful . . .\n\nASHER: My memories of the other house, where my parents moved on Blackland Road,\nit's a beautiful house. Only problem is, the only time I lived there was when I\nwas in the army and I'd come home for vacations. Not much experience there.\n\nBERMAN: I remember that house because I went through it with \u003cunintelligible\u003e.\n\nASHER: It's a beautiful house. The other time was when my wife and I got\nmarried. That's where we lived for about six months. I think three [months]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7770.0,7800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It\nseemed like six months. It may have been only six weeks, but it was some period\nof time. That was an awful experience. I would never wish that on anybody, that\nyou want your children and their spouse to live in your house. I'm sure they\nloved it, but it was not good. That's probably why I don't have any regressive\nmemories or positive.\n\nBERMAN: Of Blackland Road?\n\nASHER: Right, of Blackland Road. It was a beautiful house, but after my parents\ndied, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7800.0,7830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's really kind of sad. My mother lived. My dad had a heart attack. He\nwas lucid, and his mind was fine up until about two weeks before he died. Mark\nSilverman, who is a cardiologist at Piedmont [Atlanta Hospital], is a very good\nfriend. He called me. He said, \"You better spend some time with your dad because\nit doesn't look like he's got maybe about ten days.\" I said, \"He looks fine to\nme.\" He said, \"I'm telling you.\" Sure enough, ten days, he was dead. Then my\nmother had Alzheimer's. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7830.0,7860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was stuck in that house in bed for two years. Just\nan awful way, isn't it? I didn't want my grandchildren to see this beautiful,\ncharming, hilarious, great sense of humor, cultured, talented woman in this\nawful condition. But they did. It's just the wrong way to . . .\n\nBERMAN: Remember someone.\n\nASHER: Wrong way, which is why I love having these movies that I recreated,\nbecause she was great. She just was a terrific ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7860.0,7890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"person. That's the way that she\nought to be remembered.\n\nBERMAN: I'm glad we did this tape, because we'll give you a copy of the original\nrecording so that they can hear it also. I want to thank you very much for\nagreeing to do this.\n\nASHER: You are very welcome.\n\n\u003cInterview ends\u003e\n\n\u003cInterview resumes the following day\u003e\n\nBERMAN: Today is May 11, 2005. This is part two of an interview with Tom Asher,\nwho is taping for the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7890.0,7920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esther and Herbert Taylor Oral History Project of the\nWilliam Breman Jewish Heritage Museum. Thank you for coming back.\n\nASHER: My pleasure.\n\nBERMAN: When we left off the last time, you were talking a little bit about some\nof your business endeavors. You told us a great story about your first client.\n\nASHER: Right.\n\nBERMAN: Was going to Hirsch's men's store. I'd love to know if you have any\nother anecdotal stories about your years in business.\n\nASHER: My years in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7920.0,7950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business were, I was very fortunate, quite frankly. Luck\nplays a large part in what you do. I really was lucky that I got the job that I\ndid. I had no idea what a stockbroker did, quite frankly, but the man knew me\nthrough a summer job, named Barnard Murphy, who was managing an office then for\nGoodbody \u0026 Company, which at the time was one of the six largest brokerage firms\nin America and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7950.0,7980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dated back to the days of Charles Dow. The Dow Jones founded it\nwith a man named Goodbody. It was called Goodbody, Glenn \u0026 Dow, but then they\nchanged the name when Mr. Dow decided to go into the newspaper business and\nstick with the Wall Street Journal. This guy called me up and said. \"What are\nyou doing\" when I got out of the army. I said, \"I'm not doing anything.\" \"How\nwould you like to be a broker?\" That sounded fine to me, as I didn't have a job.\nIt was on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=7980.0,8010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"55 Marietta Street. The building is still there, but the office is\nlong gone. He was a wonderful mentor. I was really blessed. I said I've been\nblessed in business. I've been so lucky. If you wrote a script, it couldn't have\nbeen any better, because he believed in me. He is what every young, new person\nin business should have, someone who cares about you, likes you, believes in you\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8010.0,8040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and thinks that you're worthy of his attention. He's a coach. He's a great\ncoach. I went to work at Goodbody. I was a commissioned stockbroker. I had no\ntraining to speak of. I just knew you would go out and you would call on\neverybody that could fog a mirror. You would call them and ask if they would buy\nstock. Of course, I ended up with a lot of people that I did business with,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8040.0,8070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friends of the family, etc. It's sort of interesting. I learned then that the\npeople you really end up doing business with at the end of two years were not\nthose people. It was people that you met. I met some wonderful people and had\nsome fabulous accounts. I already told the Hirsch story. I don't know if I told\nthe Louis G. Sherman story. Did I tell that story?\n\nBERMAN: No.\n\nASHER: I'll tell you. Louis Sherman, that's Sonny [Louis G.] Sherman's [Jr.]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8070.0,8100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"father, who's a great guy. Mr. Sherman appeared to be, on the surface, a very\ngruff guy. He owned a furniture wholesale. I think it was called Southeast\nFurniture Wholesalers. You may know the name. I can't remember exactly. I called\nhim, Mr. Sherman. I went over there. Went in the store. He was tough. He was\ncoarse, but he could not have been nicer. He gave me some business. I remember\nhe wanted to know what I liked. I remember the stock. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8100.0,8130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This has to be 45 years\nago. I remember the stock I liked was Maremont. Maremont made mufflers. I don't\nknow if they're in the muffler business anymore. But we loved the stock. We\nthought the stock was great, and it was going up. I figured, \"You know what? I'm\ngoing to make a big hit with this guy.\" I bought that stock with Mr. Sherman.\nWent back to the office, and about three weeks later we had a big sell\nrecommendation. Not working out. Get out. I said, \"I can't believe this. This is\nthe worst thing that's ever happened to me.\" I had to call Mr. Sherman. I can't\ntell him he's making money. I got to tell him he's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8130.0,8160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"losing money. By the way, I\nneed to go back. He said, \"Would you stake your reputation on this stock?\" I\nsaid, \"Mr. Sherman, I don't have a reputation to stake on anything.\" But you\nknow what? I learned then I was very lucky. I learned that if you call people\nand tell them the bad news, it's better than trying to avoid it. He could not\nhave been nicer to me. A couple of things happened when I was early on in\nbusiness. One was the stock market collapsed.\n\nBERMAN: What year was that?\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8160.0,8190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the early 1960s. It couldn't have collapsed much because it was only\ntrading about 800 when I went in, the Dow. Now it's at 10,200. But for the first\n15 years I was in business, the market didn't go up. It went from maybe 700, 800\nup to 1,000, and then it backed off. If you look at a chart of the Dow for those\nyears, it looks like a flat line. It looks like a possum on a freeway. It's just\ndead. There's nothing to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8190.0,8220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"compare it to now when we make these assumptions. I\ndidn't know stocks went up, basically. I thought you just bought them, and you\nheld them and got a dividend and life went on. I was lucky because when the\nmarket did collapse, I looked around at the people who were left standing. The\nbrokers in the office were the ones who had bought quality securities. swore\nthen that if I was going to stick this out, I need to buy quality securities.\nOtherwise, I'd be out of business. Anyway, I would say I was very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8220.0,8250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fortunate in\nthe business. I'll tell you who was very generous to me. I'm thinking about some\nnames. Elliott Goldstein. Mr. Max Goldstein, Elliott's father, was very nice to\nme. I met some very, very kind, decent, important people in this community. He\nwas one of them. Elliott ended up being the counsel to Goodbody \u0026 Company in the\nAtlanta area. He made good friends with the regional director, a man by the name\nof Al Seaber [sp]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8250.0,8280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott was very, very helpful to me personally. Mr. Max, his\nfather, was very helpful to me. It turns out the reason why he was willing to\nsee me was because Max had several children. I'm not sure how many, but Elliott\nhad a sister, and his sister worked for my father. Was secretary at Rich's, so\nthat was sort of the entree. You know, you call on everybody you can. He could\nnot have been nicer. I also called on Dr. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8280.0,8310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alfred Weinstein. You might know the\nname. He was Hanna Weinstein's husband. He wrote Barbed-Wire Surgeon. He was\napparently captured in the Far East during World War II and went on the Bataan\nDeath March, I think. He survived it, of course, and he helped others survive.\nHe wrote a book about it. He was dying. He called me up. He basically told me he\nwas dying, but he loved my mother. He was crazy about my mother. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8310.0,8340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't find\nany human being on the planet that didn't think my mother was just the greatest\nwoman in the world. Like so many people, he said, \"If I can do something for\nyour mother, I'd like to give you some business.\" Here I am a 22-year-old\nstockbroker. I would walk barefoot across Peachtree Street for 10 shares of\nstock because I was on commission like everybody else, but it was very\ninteresting. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8340.0,8370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I got a rude awakening. My wife was pregnant with Joey, our\nfirst child. I got a note . . . well, what was happening was things were heating\nup in Berlin [Germany]. John Kennedy had been elected president in 1960. In\n1961, the tanks started to face off across Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin. The\nU.S. and the Soviets. They announced that they were calling up 250,000\nreservists. I had been in the Army Reserves. I had been at ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8370.0,8400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fort Eustis\n[Virginia] as my officer's basic, but I went every week to Reserve over here at\nthe Ford [Motor Company] plant over on Ponce de Leon, which is now a\ncondominium. It was next to the Sears store. We thought it was all a big lark.\nWe didn't have anything else. Everybody was laughing about it. One of the big\njokes was we would go over there every month. We took an oath. I can say it now\nbecause I really sort of improved my sanitation habits. We took an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8400.0,8430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"oath among us\nthat we were all officers, that we would not have our army uniforms clean until\nwe left the service. I'm not proud of it, but that's what we did. All of a\nsudden, it must have been . . . because sure enough, I get orders to report to\nactive duty. I said, \"Can you believe this? I'm going back in the army.\" I got\nrecalled in the service. Fortunately, I had probably several hundred clients. I\ndon't remember the number, but a couple hundred clients that were mine. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8430.0,8460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a\nfellow who worked with me, a fellow named Willis Everett, who was my partner, my\nfriend, really. Same age in the business. We made an arrangement. The stock\nexchange rules permitted you to get half commission over a limited period of\ntime if it was under a year. We were supposed to be called up. We hoped for no\nmore than a year, and we'd split commissions. Fortunately, he's the best\nsalesman that ever drew breath. I did so well by not even being there, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8460.0,8490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but he's\na great guy. He subsequently left us. I'll divert just a minute. He was founder\nof Invesco. Of course, he lived happily ever after. He's worth close to $100\nmillion. He's a very wealthy, successful person. Having said that, he was a\ngreat salesman and was very helpful to me. Anyway, I head off to, I can't\nbelieve this. I head off to Fort Bragg, North ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8490.0,8520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carolina, in Fayetteville. I was\nassigned to the 117th Transportation Company, 29th Transportation Battalion. You\nnever forget. Everybody I know who was in the army. Here it is, 30-40 years\nlater, you never forget 05001822. You never forget your serial number. I do\nremember lying there the first night. Spring is back in Atlanta. I'm about to\nhave a baby. I remember lying on the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8520.0,8550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BOQ, Bachelor Officer Quarters, for single\nmen. I was in a double-decker bunk. Fortunately, I was in the bottom bunk. Not\nvery luxurious. I remember looking up at the slats and saying, \"Why is this\nhappening to me? Why me, Lord? What did I do?\" I felt like Job [the Book of\nJob]. Twenty-four hours before, I was a stockbroker in Atlanta. Now I'm back in\nthe army where I don't particularly want to be. Anyway, the first week of being\nin the army, do you mind if I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8550.0,8580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"continue on the army thing?\n\nBERMAN: I love this.\n\nASHER: Okay. First week in the army, there's a party. I am not happy. I am not\nhappy at all. I got to a party. They have a party there at the . . . or I got\nassigned to my unit, and I went to meet the company commander. I was a platoon\nleader. I went to meet the company commander. I couldn't find him because he was\nbehind the company headquarters throwing firecrackers. A very poor example of\nwhat I thought I was going to be ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8580.0,8610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stuck with. They said, \"We're getting ready to\ngo out in the field. We'll go out in the field for about a month.\" I said, \"What\ndoes that mean?\" He said, \"It basically means you pack up and you go out there.\"\nWe support the 82 Airborne [Division] or the 7th Special Forces Group, who were\nthen shipping out to Vietnam as advisers. We weren't involved at all, of course.\nWe were never going to be involved. We were just going to help the locals. They\nwere flying out of Pope Air Force Base, which is right there at Fort ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8610.0,8640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bragg. I'm\ninvited to a party for the battalion. I'm sitting there. This very nice,\nattractive young man comes over. He's chatting with me. He asked me what I'm\ndoing. I said, \"I just got recalled.\" I'm one of thousands of reservists that\nhad been called up. He could not have been nicer and a very attractive guy. We\nchatted. I told him I went to Cornell and I was a stockbroker and all this sort\nof stuff. In the meantime, a guy who was activated at the same time with me was\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8640.0,8670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jerome Green. Jerome was from Atlanta. He played football at Georgia Tech.\nJewish. Sadly, I think he died in the last couple of years. But Jerome was a\ngreat football player at Tech. He went on to play for what then was the Boston\nPatriots in the American Football League then. He got activated too. So, the two\nof us were up there. He said, \"You know, it's easy. You don't worry about all\nthose units. Just go get yourself another job.\" He said, \"I'm living in the golf\ncourse shop.\" It was easy for him because in those days, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8670.0,8700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the football teams of\nthese military installations were critical. They had pro basketball players.\nAnybody that was any good, they treated them with kid gloves. Well, he isn't\ngoing out in the field. He isn't going to live in a tent. He's playing football\nfor the Fort Bragg Bullets or Bombers or whatever we were called. The place\nwhere he wanted to live, he insisted on living in a nice place, so they put him\nin the golf shop. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8700.0,8730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Other than playing football, he was in the golf shop. I didn't\nhave quite those skills. They took one look at me and my physicals and said, \"I\ndon't think you're ready for that.\" Anyway, about a week later, I get a notice\nfrom my commanding officer, who didn't particularly like me anyway, the guy who\nhad been throwing firecrackers. Men didn't like stockbrokers. He was regular\narmy. He was [in] a regular army unit. He said, \"They want to see you at the\nbattalion headquarters. The commanding officer wants to see you.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8730.0,8760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is the\ncolonel. I said, \"I don't know how I got in trouble. I haven't been here but\nthree weeks. I'm already in trouble.\" I go up there. I'm waiting. I look in.\nThey had a glass window. I do remember it. It was one of these wooden buildings\nwith a glass window, and I'm looking there, and there's that guy, the commanding\nofficer of the battalion is the young man that I met at this party. He's a\nmilitary academy graduate. He comes in and asks everybody else to leave. He\nsaid, \"Lieutenant, I understand you went to Cornell.\" I said, \"That's right.\" He\nsaid, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8760.0,8790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"I understand you're a stockbroker.\" I said, \"Right.\" He said, \"Well, the\ncommanding general of Fort Bragg has asked for somebody. They're looking for\nsomebody from a unit to be on the inspector general's staff. It would be very\nhelpful if we had somebody from our unit because it can do nothing but help us.\nThe inspector general is an important post.\" He said, \"I'd like you to be a\ncandidate.\" He said, \"Do you know math?\" Stockbrokers know a lot of math. I\nsaid, \"I know my math.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8790.0,8820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"I know my numbers. Let me tell you something. I\nknow those things backwards and forward.\" Sure enough, I went up for the\ninterview, and I got the job. Like, two days before we were ready to ship out\nand live in Fort Bragg in the wilderness with paratroopers and running around\nwith aggressors. I mean, it wouldn't have been a lot of fun. I became the\nassistant to the inspector general at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. There I am. It\nwas really interesting because they didn't have an assistant. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8820.0,8850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The I.G., himself,\nwas a nice guy. He was a colonel. Right down the hall was the commanding general\nof the post. It was an unbelievable experience. I don't know what they have now\nbecause I haven't been back, but it was a big brick building for the office.\nFort Bragg was an important military installation. As the assistant I.G. said,\n\"Your job is to grade all of the inspections. You need to set up a grading\nsystem.\" I designed a whole system at that time for grading the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8850.0,8880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"troops that\nseemed to make sense to me. Wherever I went on the post, I was the assistant\nI.G. That was neat. Except for one thing, Berlin, of course, heated up. That's\nwhat caused me to go in when they activated 250,000 reservists. Unfortunately,\nat the same time, things were heating up in Cuba, and the revolutionaries were\nvery upset. I didn't see that it had anything to do with me except for the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8880.0,8910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fact\nthat I'm there in the main post, looking at, you had a room full of news\ntickers, which looks like the old Dow-Jones, UPI [United Press International]\nnews wires. I'd go down and just read the news, read the sports, read whatever.\nSure enough, I see this confidential thing coming over, saying about the\ninvasion of Cuba. Within the next day or two or something, they've hung cargo\nnets off of our balcony where we worked, down the hallway. There were two- or\nthree-story ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8910.0,8940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"balconies. They told us that they were going to start practicing by\ngoing over \u003cunintelligible\u003e these cargo nets because that's what we'd have to\nclimb down when we got off the ships in Cuba. I go home at night. Spring said,\n\"How is everything going?\" I said, \"I got to tell you, we're getting ready to go\n. . . we ain't going to Berlin. We're going to war, but it ain't there. We're\ngoing to end up in Cuba.\" She says, \"You got to be nuts.\" I said, \"I'm telling\nyou. We're going to Cuba.\" I didn't realize. Apparently, years later, it all\ncame out this was top secret. What did I know? I'm telling everybody. I'm at the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8940.0,8970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Burger King or the Dairy Queen. Anyway, I'm climbing down these cargo nets. I\nsaid, \"I'm selling stock. I'm a stockbroker. They say, no I'm on active duty.\nNow I'm going to Cuba. I can't believe this is happening to me.\" Anyway, after\nabout a week or so, I think this must have been the summer, June or July. I'm\ndown there reading these news wires. There it says all ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=8970.0,9000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reservists are being\ndeactivated. Not all of them went out. The army got deactivated because the air\nforce, I believe, had to stay in because there was the incident in Korea with\nLt. [Lloyd M.] Bucher. Remember that? When the North Koreans captured a ship.\n\nBERMAN: The [USS] Pueblo.\n\nASHER: The Pueblo. That's right, in international waters. They kept them in, but\nthey let all go week later. We were supposed to leave. We were to go. I said,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9000.0,9030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Unbelievable. I'm going home\" without any notification whatsoever. As I'm\ngetting about ready to leave, I had done this all this inspector general stuff,\nwhich was pretty slick. By the way, the I.G. said, and he was a guy he loved the\narmy. He said, \"Look.\" I remember going back and saying, \"You know what, one of\nus is going to get to go out in the field with the troops.\" He said, \"Do you\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9030.0,9060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want to go?\" I said, \"Well, do you want to go?\" This is a full colonel. He said\nhe'd love to go. I said, \"Well, I tell you what, you go. I'll take care of\neverything back here. Don't worry about it.\" As I'm getting ready to leave, I\ndon't know if I told you this story or not? Did I tell you the story about\ngetting the letter from the commanding general?\n\nBERMAN: Yes.\n\nASHER: As I'm getting ready to leave, my boss, who was the inspector general at\nFort Bragg, says, \"Asher, we're really proud of what you did. You did a great\njob over here, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9060.0,9090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're going home. I want you to take this letter. Here's a\nletter signed by the commanding general of Fort Bragg, a letter of commendation\nof what a great job you did. I want you to take it back to your unit,\" which was\nthe 117th Transportation Company, \"and have them put it in the file.\" It's\ncalled a 201 file, I think, or something. That's your permanent record. I\nthanked him, and we left. I went back to the unit. I drove my car over there and\nstopped and saw the top sergeant, Sgt. Riddick. I'll never forget his name. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9090.0,9120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sgt.\nRiddick was the top sergeant. Been there for years. I said, \"Sgt. Riddick, I'm\nleaving. I'm going back to Atlanta. I want you to put this in my file because\nit's pretty nice.\" He said, \"Let me tell you, Lieutenant. Let me give you some\nadvice.\" He said, \"This is a wonderful letter. We don't get many of these. In\nfact, we get very few of them. In fact, we get so few of them, I strongly advise\nthat you take this home and have it framed and show it to your grandchildren,\nbut don't go putting it in your file because you know what? We're going to be\ncalling up some more troops sometime, and you're the kind of people we want to\ncall ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9120.0,9150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up.\" That was Sgt. Riddick. You know what? I still got that letter, and I\nhave it framed. I have it sitting on my dresser because that was good advice.\n\"Be careful about bragging about yourself,\" is what he said. \"Somebody is liable\nto like you.\" Anyway, going back to Atlanta, I saw an opportunity to manage. I\nsaw an opportunity, I was friendly with Charlie Ackerman. Charlie was a client.\nHe was developing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9150.0,9180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"property around Lenox Square, which was then still an open-air\nmall. I thought, \"We should have an office there.\" I went to my boss, who was\ngreat. I said, \"I think we ought to have an office out here.\" He said, \"That\ndoesn't make any sense, but if you want to do a report.\" I did a report with\nCharlie's help. We studied all the businesses with a one-mile radius of Lenox,\nthe opportunities there. They had a new office building going up at Lenox Towers\ndirectly across the street. I got approved to open a branch ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9180.0,9210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. It was an\nincredible experience. I literally bought the sign, bought the furniture, signed\nthe lease. The building owner was H. L. Hunt, not one of the most\nliberal-thinking people. Nonetheless, he signed the lease. I wish I still had\nthe lease. Mr. Hunt, Sr. signed it. We took over space on the first floor of\nLenox Towers, a new building. We were the first tenant and opened a branch\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9210.0,9240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. That was in 1966 or 1967 with the fellow who had worked me. He was my\nfirst broker. I hired basically everybody. We ended up with about 20 . . . had a\nwonderful, wonderful group of people. We had the most fun. I got to say, in all\nhonesty, in my career, the most fun, enjoyable group of men and women that I've\never been around. We were a very successful office. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9240.0,9270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did a lot of business, up\nto a point where . . . here's my picture. This was in my ad.\n\nBERMAN: Why don't you hold that up?\n\nASHER: I don't know if you can even see this. I didn't have a lot of hair then,\neither. That's Lenox Square, Goodbody \u0026 Company.\n\nBERMAN: I have a question for you.\n\nASHER: Sure.\n\nBERMAN: Most of your contacts, you mentioned who you went to visit early on.\n\nASHER: Right.\n\nAUDIENCE MEMBER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9270.0,9300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your connection with Mr. Ackerman?\n\nASHER: Right.\n\nAUDIENCE MEMBER: It seemed like your initial contacts were mostly Jewish?\n\nASHER: Yes, they were.\n\nAUDIENCE MEMBER: You were to then branch out to have clients in the general community?\n\nASHER: I did.\n\nAUDIENCE MEMBER: Was it difficult?\n\nASHER: No, it really was not difficult. It was much more successful. Willis\nEverett, who was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9300.0,9330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also in the office with me and worked as a F.C., a financial\nconsultant, a stockbroker then, he was from the [Piedmont] Driving Club and the\nright fraternities at Georgia and went to high school. It wasn't Westminster\nthen. He did business with a lot of the prominent Christian community. My focus\nwas on the Jewish community. There were probably only two or three Jewish\nstockbrokers in Atlanta. Jerry Horowitz was very successful, of course.\n[Stanley] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9330.0,9360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stan Firestone. Alfred Revson. That's about it. You can probably\n[count] on one hand people. My business was pretty broad based. My dad worked at\nRich's, so I did business with a lot of people there. By today's standard, the\nbusiness was different. I probably had at one time 400, 500, or 600 people I had\ndone business ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9360.0,9390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with, but they were across the board. I remember going up to North\nGeorgia. Willis had a house up on Lake Rabun. His father had a house, original\ndevelopment, going back to the 1920s. We would go up there on the weekends from\ntime to time, which is why we have a house up there. As an aside, we decided\nthat we would like to have a house at Lake Rabun. This is now fast forward in\n1982 but gives you a sense of it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9390.0,9420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spring was then a producer at Channel 2. She\ndid a program called Noonday, which was a daily program on Channel 11. She had\nseveral experts that would come in from time to time, one of whom was Dr. Sandy\nMatthews, a pediatrician, who was very articulate and spoke on children's issues\nand matters. He said that he had a house on Lake Rabun. Spring said, \"Gosh, we\ngo up there with Willis Everett. We would love to have a house over there, but\nwe understand it's restricted. They don't allow Jews.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9420.0,9450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"I don't know\nthat, but I'll check, into it.\" He never called us back, but a real estate agent\ndid call us and that told us that it wasn't restricted. It did have that image\nbecause it was the old. You know, a lot of the famous family names were the only\npeople who could afford it. They would go up there to escape the heat in the\nsummer, Tallulah Falls, and all that business. Anyway, Willis did a lot of\nbusiness up there because his family had been there. He did business with people\nin ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9450.0,9480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Toccoa and all around those small . . . Clayton. He said, \"You're crazy.\nThere's nobody up here. There's a lot of money up here, but there's nobody\ngiving advice.\" My thing was, I decided . . . I spoke to the Rotary Club in a\nlittle town. I'm trying to think of the name of it. It's right there where\nPiedmont College is. It's where ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9480.0,9510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Johnny Mize was from. Do you know Johnny Mize?\n\nBERMAN: No.\n\nASHER: You don't. He's one of the great baseball players and played, I think,\nboth National and American League. I went up there and I spoke to the Rotary\nClub. I got several speaking engagements up there with Rotary Clubs. I developed\ncontacts up in the mountains with these people. They didn't know from Jewish,\nbut they had a lot of money. There was a lot of wealth around there, just the\nfact it wasn't in Atlanta. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9510.0,9540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The only thing I specifically remember about Piedmont\nCollege is that I did business with the coach up there. They had the longest\nlosing streak in the history of basketball, I think, when he was coach. It said\nsomething about him. Nonetheless, I did business all around and still run into\npeople occasionally who say, \"You were my broker.\" I swear to God I don't\nremember them. That's just terrible that I wouldn't remember them. After I got\nback, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9540.0,9570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did go and open this office for Goodbody \u0026 Company. It was a wonderful\ngroup of people. They're still around. They are still very successful. They are\njust outstanding people. I got an offer in 1969 to move to New York. My company\nasked me would I move up there and become director of . . . not the director of\nmarketing but number two in marketing. It was a big firm. I was flattered, and I\nwas challenged. I said, \"I'd like to do that.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9570.0,9600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spring said, \"All right.\" Our\nkids were little. We said, \"We'll fly to New York.\" We looked in New York\nmagazine. [We said], \"If we can find a place to live, we'll do it.\" They had a\nhouse for rent in Brooklyn Heights, 162 State Street. We went and looked at the\nhouse. It was one of these four story plus a garden apartment. The garden was\nrented, but the brownstone, built probably at the turn of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9600.0,9630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"century.\nTwelve-foot ceilings. Stained glass windows. Elegant place. They wanted $600 a\nmonth for it. I looked at how much I was getting paid. I could afford that, so\nwe rented it. We said, \"We're moving.\" Upset my parents no end. They were\nterribly distressed to lose their grandchildren, of course I would be, too. I\ndidn't sell my house. I said, \"You know what? I'm not going to live there\nforever. But what an opportunity.\" So, I went up there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9630.0,9660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, the stock\nmarket continued to crash. After I was there about nine, ten, or twelve months,\nten or eleven months, the company failed. It was the sixth largest firm. There\nwas SIPC, Securities Investment Protection Corporation. No protection for\ninvestors. I can remember going to the meetings. I loved it. By the way, I had a\nwonderful experience. It was just one of the most fun experiences of my life,\ntaking the subway one stop from ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9660.0,9690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Borough Hall to Wall Street and going to the\noffice. It was just . . . I was pretty young. This was 1970. I was probably\n35-36 years old. It was a real high being around Wall Street and seeing the\nthings that I saw and meeting the people that I met, who were just terrific. It\nwas just a very heady experience, for me, anyway.\n\nBERMAN: And the company failed then.\n\nASHER: The company, unfortunately, failed. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9690.0,9720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember going to a meeting where\nthey called a meeting. The chairman of the New York Stock Exchange invited all\nthe member firms to come in and look at the books, and somebody would rescue it.\nThere was no insurance like there is today. A firm can't fail today. They're\nself-insured. \u003cunintelligible\u003e. They also don't leave the securities laying\naround. They're all in street name or in . . . they're not in bearer form. They\naren't physical securities issues. They are all kept electronically. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9720.0,9750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The problem\nwas the back offices got so bogged down, they lost so many securities. I\nremember going to the meeting where they would have a stock of P\u0026L [profit and\nloss statement] for the Goodbody \u0026 Company. I was in a room with probably 50\nother people from all these firms. Nobody went up to get any of the papers. So,\nthe stock exchange was worried. This was a big firm that was going to fail. They\narranged a merger with Merrill Lynch. It was a forced ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9750.0,9780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"merger, so that the street\nbasically . . . they paid nothing for the company. At least I had some capital\nin the company. That went to zero, went absolutely to nothing. Whatever I put up\nin 12 years . . . I had a salary, but everything I invested in the company was\nworthless. Merrill Lynch offered me a job. They didn't know me, but they were\nnice enough to offer me a job. Merrill Lynch took over and took over all the\noffices, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9780.0,9810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"including the one that I had started in Atlanta, which subsequently\nbecame the main office for Merrill Lynch at Lenox. By the way, there were no\noffices at Lenox doing business when I did the office there. I just thought it\nwas a great opportunity. Of course, everybody is there now. Everybody was\ndowntown. Nobody's downtown. They're all at Lenox.\n\nBERMAN: Right. When did you end with Robinson Humphrey?\n\nASHER: On the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9810.0,9840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"weekends, I was looking for a job. I can stay at Merrill, but you\nknow what, I didn't know these people. They were strangers. Everybody was having\ndifferent points. I'm not going to stay in New York, so I made appointments all\naround Atlanta. I'd leave on a Thursday night and interview on Fridays. Be back\nin Merrill Lynch on Monday morning. I flew down. I didn't go to Robinson\nHumphrey, but through Lewis Holland, I was able to get an interview with the\nchairman, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9840.0,9870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alexander Yearley, Sandy Yearley, who was a member of the New York\nStock Exchange, had been on the board of the exchange. [He] offered to meet me\nfor lunch at the Stock Exchange Club. I said, \"How am I going to know him?\" He\nsaid, \"Don't worry, you'll know him.\" Sure enough, there's no question. The most\ndistinguished, royal, regal, imposing figure in that room. I figured, \"Please,\nthat's not him. That is him. It is him.\" It was Sandy Yearley.\n\nBERMAN: How do you spell the last name?\n\nASHER: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9870.0,9900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Y-E-A-R-L-E-Y. He was Alexander Yearley, IV. His brothers had been with\nAlex. Brown [\u0026 Sons]. He was a lacrosse star at . . . he was from Baltimore, at\nJohns Hopkins. Came down with First Boston and joined Robinson Humphrey. Was the\nchairman of the board. Was a small firm. Probably didn't have 60 employees.\nAnyway, I figured, \"I'm going to work for a small firm. I've worked for a big\nfirm. I didn't know what was going on. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9900.0,9930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll work for a little firm. I'll know\neverything that's going on. Nothing bad can happen with a little firm.\" So, I\njoined the firm. It was very interesting. I came to Atlanta. That was in January\nof 1971. A number of people who worked with me at Goodbody came over with me.\nThey basically said, \"What are you going to do?\" These were Atlanta people. I\nsaid, \"I'm going to Robinson Humphrey.\" We didn't know much about it, but we\nknew that we were together. My partner, one of my dearest friends who I hired in\nthe business, [Thomas] Tom Tracy, who subsequently became chairman of SunTrust\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9930.0,9960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robinson Humphrey, the chairman of Robinson Humphrey. [He] was my first trainee\nin the office when I started. He is still one of my dearest friends in the\nworld. So, we came over there. I learned very quickly that everybody was scared\nto death of Sandy Yearley. I mean scared. If he called you on the phone, you'd\nstand up and straighten your tie. If he came in your office, it couldn't be\ngood. The truth of it is . . . ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9960.0,9990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so Tom Tracy came over with me. They offered him\nto manage Macon. He said he would go down. He went down to Macon right away to\nbe the manager. We were all very young. Justus Martin, who was the president,\nthe number two guy. He was very, very sociable, very easy to get along with.\nBoth these men were just great. Justus said that we were going to have an\nopening party for Tracy down in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=9990.0,10020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macon. I said, \"I definitely want to go.\" This\nis my friend, and they're going to welcome him at the hotel, there at the\nHilton, where it was in downtown Macon. I said I would go. But Justus said, \"I'm\nleaving early, so you're going to drive Sandy Yearley back from Macon by\nyourself. Is that all right?\" \"Sure, it's fine.\" I then had thought about it for\nabout two seconds. I said, \"This is not fine. This is not going to be good.\nEverybody is scared to death of him.\" I went home that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10020.0,10050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"night, and Spring said,\n\"What's the matter? You don't seem the same.\" I said, \"I got to go to Macon the\nnext week, and I got to ride with Sandy Yearley for a couple of hours in the\ncar,\" two or three [hours], whatever the time was. \"I don't know what to talk to\nhim about. Everybody is scared. I'm scared to death of the guy. I am scared to\ndeath of him.\" She said, \"Here's a book. You need to read this book. It will\ntell you exactly how to deal with somebody like that.\" The book was Barbara\nWalters' book, How to Talk to Anybody About Anything [How to Talk with\nPractically Anyone About Practically Anything]. It's out of print now. But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10050.0,10080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she\nhad a developmentally disabled sister, and that taught her how to interview, to\na certain extent. Her communication skills were honed dealing with this\nbasically retarded sister of hers. In the book, she talked about these imposing,\ndifficult people, from corporate leaders to kings and queens and presidential\npeople, and what do you say to them and how you do it. I followed the rules\nexactly with that book. I was so well ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10080.0,10110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"prepared that when we got into my car in\nMacon . . . I'm driving and Sandy is sitting on my right. I mean, this guy, I've\nknown him for now maybe 30 days. All I knew was you want to stay out of his way.\nSo, I asked him questions about his life. When we got into the First National\nBank Building downtown, where he had parked his car, he had talked solid for\nabout two hours. I knew about his hunting trips to Africa. I knew about the\nbooks that he read. I knew about his college ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10110.0,10140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"days and his wife. I also found out\nthat he was one of the most interesting, brightest, most delightful, charming\nhuman beings that could draw breath. I found he had the same birthday as my\nwife, March 21. From that day forward, we were very, very good friends, because\nhe wasn't scary. He just looked it. If you saw him, you would say, \"That guy is\nregal.\" He just was. But that just ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10140.0,10170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wasn't him. That just wasn't true. Nobody\nknew it because they wouldn't get close enough to him. We became really good\nfriends. I wrote the obituary for him after he died. I wrote a tribute to him,\nwhich they published. I just loved the guy. He was wonderful to me. He was a\nvery interesting guy. Anyway, I thought that was an interesting instruction\nbecause you can deal with people like that. I tried it again at a dinner party\nnot long thereafter. In fact, Tom [Grady] Cousins was at the dinner party. He\nwas sitting at our table. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10170.0,10200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I figured, \"I'm going to Barbara Walters him.\" That's\nour joke now with Martin. We Barbara Walters people. At the end of the dinner, I\nhadn't said one word. I remember his comment to me afterwards. We got up after\ndinner, were getting ready to leave. He said, \"You know, you're a very\ninteresting guy.\"\n\nBERMAN: [Laughs]\n\nASHER: You know what? He didn't know anything about me, but you know what? He\nwas so fired up, talking about himself. Anyway, over the years, over the next\ncouple of years, they gave me . . . because Sandy and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10200.0,10230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Justus Martin. I want to\nsay a word about leaders. These are great leaders. You read the books about\nleadership. [There are] a lot of books written, but they talk about politicians\nand coaches and movie moguls and the famous people. The truth of it is, the real\nleadership done by some of these people is far more impressive because they\nimpact people day to day, like me. Justus Martin was an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10230.0,10260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"interesting man, too. I\nlead up to all this by saying he was deaf in one ear and so he was turned down\nfor World War II. He was born in about 1930, maybe. I'm just guessing. I mean,\nin the 1920s. He had to have been born in the 1920s. He was turned down for\nWorld War II because of his inability to hear, so he volunteered for the British\nAmbulance Corps and served in North Africa. Among the people that were in his\nunit were these people from London merchant banks. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10260.0,10290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When he came back to Atlanta,\nwhere he was a stockbroker with Thomson McKinnon and he joined Robinson\nHumphrey, he called on all these people in London who he knew through the war.\nThey turned out to be among the Pilkington family, who invented automobile\nglass. He spent 1976, the anniversary of the founding of the U.S., on the\nqueen's yacht. He knew everybody. He started calling on the Scottish trusts in\nEdinburgh. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10290.0,10320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He went over there. What he would do is he would talk to them about\nAtlanta securities: Retail Credit, National Service. He became a very close\nfriend of Erwins. C\u0026S Bank, Rich's. He knew all these people because, first of\nall, he's a very gregarious guy. He's a great leader, a great guy. He knew all\nthese people. When Spring and I went to London . . . gosh, I'd been in the firm\ntwo years. We were the guests of the Pilkingtons. Today, if you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10320.0,10350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"google the\nPilkingtons, you will find they're major leaguers. We met some wonderful people\nover the years. The real money as invested in the world. The great money\nmanagers came from Scotland. The Scottish trusts were founded in the fifteenth\ncentury, so we're short-term capital gains in the U.S. compared to them. These\npeople would come to Atlanta and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10350.0,10380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we got to know some of these people. They were\nvery interesting. They were with these firms, Ivory \u0026 Sime. Been around for 300\nor 400 years. Longer than America's been around, these companies have been\nthere. It was very interesting to know these people. Sandy suggested . . . we\nhad a tiny firm. I felt we needed a number of things, from my view. I was the\ndirector of marketing. Also, I had responsibility for the branches. We needed to\ndo a couple of things. We were an old-fashioned ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10380.0,10410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"partnership. We need to\nmodernize if we're going to grow. We needed to have more products. We needed to\nhave more branches. To have that, we needed training. I started the training\nprogram. Then we were looking around for product. We had a great training\nprogram, which really intrigued me. I have sort of an interest in training. They\nagreed, Justus and Sandy. I said, \"Look, our number one, two, and three\ncompetitors in every city we're in is Merrill Lynch. Merrill Lynch has ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10410.0,10440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"salaried\nmanagers. They're not producing managers. That's a key ingredient to their\ngrowth.\" I worked for a salaried manager. I could tell you the difference\nbetween success and failure. Somebody who either looks after their clients or\ntheir books, or they look after you, as a broker. They agreed to that. That was\na big step. I then went to Sandy and said, \"We need to advertise. Nobody knows\nus.\" We did a survey. They knew us at the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10440.0,10470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Commerce Club. They knew us at the\nDriving Club. They didn't know us anywhere else. \"If we're going to really grow,\nwe need to do that.\" Sandy said, \"What do you recommend?\" I said, \"We'll have a\nradio campaign.\" He said, \"What's wrong with TV?\" This is 1972, 1973. I said,\n\"You know, I don't know.\" He said, \"Let's do television.\" So, we did a major TV\ncampaign that ran for almost 10 or 12 years where we were on the air every day.\nWe did these educational ads that were great. Our ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10470.0,10500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"agency was wonderful,\nBowes/Hanlon which is Rod Hanlon. Do you know Louise Hanlon, by the way?\n\nBERMAN: I don't think so.\n\nASHER: Nonetheless, she happened to be a wedding consultant. By coincidence, she\ndid our wedding of our daughter. Anyway, Joel Babbit was there at the time as a\nyoung whatever, very creative. We designed a series of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10500.0,10530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"educational . . . people\nwere so naive then. The market started to grow. We were the first advertiser on\nWall Street Week. I really think we not only saw the future, but we had people\nin management who were willing to go for it, who did not say, \"But that's the\nway it's always been done.\" The ads were very successful. We won a lot of awards\nfor them. My ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10530.0,10560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friends still jokingly, Roby Robinson, who was a grandson of the\nfounder. By the way, the firm goes back to the 1890s with Henry W. Grady and the\nRobinson family, etc. Anyway, we needed to have a spokesman for the television,\nso three or four of us went over there. I got chosen. They all jokingly say it\nwas all rigged, but it really wasn't. I had never done anything like that in my\nlife. But I was the spokesman for . . .\n\nBERMAN: You were on television?\n\nASHER: I was on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10560.0,10590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"television every day, on the news. Our agency bought the right\nthings. They bought the evening news, the morning news, the noon news. If news\nwas on, we were on. We became really a household name. We did it throughout the\nstate, to the point where I can remember walking . . . I can remember one time I\nwas invited to . . . Let me just say that about two months ago, I'm in the\nAtlanta ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10590.0,10620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"airport. We've been off the air now 15 years. We've been off at least\n15, 20. Pick a number. When we did our merger, we stopped it. A screener with\nTSA, Transportation Security Agency, says, \"I know you. You were on TV. You did\ncommercials.\" I said, \"I got to tell you something. You date yourself badly.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10620.0,10650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nalso remember early on where I walked to a parking lot late one night, downtown.\nIt was not the safest place in the world 25-30 years ago. A drunk comes up to\nme, a drunk. I thought he was asking for money. He said, \"I know you. You sell\ninsurance for the C\u0026S Bank.\" I figured, \"You know what? He knows ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10650.0,10680.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"television. He\nknows I sell something.\" We don't sell insurance, because it's against the law,\nbut he came up with the C\u0026S Bank. Another time, I was walking down to City Hall.\nWe had a meeting there. It was a civic meeting. I don't remember what it was\nabout. It could have been a Leadership Atlanta meeting or something. We were\ncalled. I'm walking down. It was also fairly late at night. It was getting dark,\nand darker. You know, you got to watch. You don't want to be stupid. You want to\nbe careful and watch where you are. You stay in the street lights and\neverything. All of a sudden, I hear a guy right behind me. He's right behind me.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10680.0,10710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"This is it. This is it. I'm gone.\" He said, \"Hey! Hey!\" I finally\nturned around. I said, \"You want me?\" He said, \"I want you.\" He said, \"Aren't\nyou the guy . . . are you with Robinson Humphrey?\" I said, \"Yes.\" He said, \"I\nknew that was you\" and he walked away. I said, \"You know what? I don't know if\nanybody who has any money knows us, but the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10710.0,10740.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bums all know us very well.\" Anyway.\n\nASHER: Just a quick aside is we would start on a Friday afternoon, when the\nmarkets were closed. I really learned . . . I knew nothing about it. They would\ncome in with a crew, into our trading room, and they would take everything down,\nall the electronics, all the computers, everything down. Couldn't have a time\nstamp machine because they would click. They would lay down the track and the\nlighting. They would work all night from five or six o'clock on Friday until\nseven o'clock on Saturday when they would get ready to shoot. We would be there,\nthe members of the firm. We would have our lines. The star would be there and\nthe teleprompter. We also did some wonderful outtakes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10740.0,10770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The group on Saturday\nNight Live, which was the one? Remember the one with the coneheads?\n\nBERMAN: The coneheads.\n\nASHER: They brought in coneheads one time. We did a whole conehead. We didn't\nuse any of that stuff. We had a lot of fun, a lot of laughs. Then we would shoot\nall day. I can remember that I have such respect for people who shoot, do these\nthings because I remember at the end of the day, I was literally hoarse. They\nhad the commissary people come in. At six o'clock on Saturday we were through.\nThey would work all night long ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10770.0,10800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to get the trading room back up and running so\nthat on Monday they can go back in business. They had the papers all exactly\nwhere they were, everything exactly the same. It was very interesting. We did\nover 40 commercials. Anyway, the people I worked for, Sandy Yearley and Justus\nMartin, were exceptional human beings. Sandy was the clinical, unemotional\nbusiness leader. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10800.0,10830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both of them served on the board of the New York Stock\nExchange. Sandy had been chairman of the NASD, National Association of Security\nDealers, which is the self-regulatory body set up by an act of Congress, the\nMaloney Act, 1938. Very prestigious position. In those days, it was the\nequivalent of the head of the New York Stock Exchange. He had been asked to\nchair a commission on the study of the investment business called the Yearley\nCommission by the SEC Securities and Exchange Commission. These are major\nplayers. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10830.0,10860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Justus, on the other hand, was the salesman. He was the fiery guy. He\nwas the guy who said that everybody in the world knew him. Years later, after\nJustus sadly had died, we were in Italy, Spring and I, on a vacation. We were at\na little hotel. It was really a bed and breakfast. It was an elegant place in\nFlorence overlooking the river. We were sitting there, you sit there at\nbreakfast, the only meal that is served is breakfast. There was a couple sitting\nthere. Spring says, \"Where are you from?\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10860.0,10890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"We're from London, you know.\" \u003cTom\nuses a British accent\u003e She said, \"We're from Atlanta.\" He said, \"Atlanta? What\nbusiness?\" \"I'm in the investment business.\" \"Oh, you're in the investment\nbusiness. Do you know Justus Martin?\" You know, they all knew Justus Martin.\nEven after Justus died, I was in New York at a meeting honoring [Richard A.]\nDick Grasso, who was chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, who has gone to\nsome infame because he was tossed. You know, the problems that are . . . Justus\nloved the guy. He said he was brilliant. He did a lot for the Exchange. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10890.0,10920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I used\nto hear him say. \"Dick Grasso is the greatest.\" So I went to this meeting. Five\nhundred people there. I figured. \"Well, you know, Dick Grasso doesn't know me.\nHe'll never know me.\" I figured, \"You know what?\" I walked up there. As soon as\nhe . . . shaking someone's hand. I said, \"I just want to tell you one thing. You\ndon't know me, but my name is Tom Asher, and Justus Martin was my partner, my\nboss, my mentor.\" He turned to me, and he got tears in his eyes. He grabbed both\nmy elbows and he said, \"You worked with Justus Martin.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10920.0,10950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"That guy.\" He\nsaid, \"What are you doing tomorrow morning? \"Well, I'm not doing anything.\" He\nsaid, \"I want you to come down to the exchange and have breakfast with me.\" He\nsaid, \"I just want to talk about him.\" Last summer, I'm in London for Eddie\nElson's 70th birthday party. He had all these dignitaries from England and from\nDenmark. He was ambassador, so he had a guy from Goldman Sachs. He was one of\nthe old partners from Goldman Sachs. I knew who he was, but he didn't really\nknow me. But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10950.0,10980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I knew who he was. I went up to him. I said, \"I just wanted to say\nhello to him. My name is Tom Asher. I know you knew Justus Martin.\" Same\nreaction. He said, \"I got to tell you . . . \" I don't know what he meant by\nthis, but he said, \"I got to tell you something about Justus Martin.\" He said,\n\"I needed him. I needed somebody to stand up for me at one time years ago, and\nhe was the only guy willing to do it.\" He said, \"He was a giant.\" Anyway, Justus\nwas a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=10980.0,11010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"member of a . . . he was elected into a secret society in New York. No\none's ever heard of it. I don't know the name of it, myself, but it's a men's\ngood ol' boys club. Once a year, they initiate four or five people into this\nclub, and they go to New York and they get bad drunk. I'm ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11010.0,11040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talking about the\ntitans of American industry. Wall Street, the leaders of all the firms. They are\nrequired to have a skit, and they perform it. They rehearse it for a day, and\nthen they perform it. Apparently, if they don't like you, they throw rolls at\nyou and food at you. They're terribly drunk, apparently. I don't even know where\nthey have this. It's really like a throwback to another era, like turning the\nclock back a hundred years. Still goes on, I think. Justus ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11040.0,11070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"comes to me really\nshortly before he got sick and died. He said. \"I'm going up there. I've been\ninaugurated. I'm being elected into this society, and I need a skit. Would you\nwrite one for me?\" I said I would. I wrote a skit for him, which I still have.\nHe has another family. He got divorced from his first wife, Julia, who ended up\ndoing ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11070.0,11100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"landscaping at our house on Nancy Creek when she was married to Justus. He\nthen gets a divorce from her and marries his secretary, or a secretary up there.\nThat will happen, you know. They had a daughter, who, interestingly enough, got\n. . . sadly, he didn't live to see it. She got a 1,600 on her SATs. Early\nadmission to Princeton [University]. Queen of everything. Just exceptional. It\njust breaks my heart that he didn't see it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11100.0,11130.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had this daughter, who was the\nsame age of his grandchildren. Everybody knew it. Everybody on Wall Street knew\nthat Justus had a daughter the same age as his grandchildren. I wrote a story\nabout Justus. They assigned . . . you had to lampoon [James D.] Jim Robinson\n[III], who was our boss, the head of American Express. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11130.0,11160.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was to Dr. Seuss, to\nthe same meter as Dr. Seuss is written, and I had it in a Dr. Seuss book. I\nstill have it. Anyway, it was a big hit. I remember him calling me at home on a\nSaturday. He said, \"How you doing? I need that . . .\" I said. \"Justus, will you\nstop calling me? I can finish it. I'm working as hard as I can. I'm working\novertime here.\" I've done a lot of that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11160.0,11190.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stuff over the years. It doesn't come\nnaturally. Nothing comes really that naturally, but I knew what to do. I knew\nwhat to say. It was a hilarious skit. A couple of years ago, again, after he\ndied, someone from Wall Street, I can't remember who it was. It was somebody I\nmet at Citigroup and Smith Barney. He said, \"You know, Justus\" Martin. I was at\nthat \" . . . whatever the thing. \"He had the best skit. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11190.0,11220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We still remember that\nskit. It was the best of them all.\" Of course, I didn't say anything because I\ndidn't want to say that. He was supposed to have written it himself.\n\nBERMAN: Really?\n\nASHER: Anyway, I loved the guy. I went to Sandy, and I offered . . . I saw\nseveral trends. One was a very interesting trend. One was on muni trusts. We\nwere the first to package muni [municipal] bonds in the southeast in a trust\nformat, which worked out pretty well. It worked out very well for our clients.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11220.0,11250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The second thing was . . . well, first was advertising, which they agreed to do.\nSpend all this money, which was a big payoff. The other part that was just\nincredible experiences. One day they called me and said there was a guy out\nfront in the lobby named Joe Sullivan, from Chattanooga [Tennessee]. He had a\nproposal, and would I be willing to listen? I was sort of the guy that any new\nproducts came to. We didn't have a very formal process. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11250.0,11280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was marketing a new\nsystem for selling options. He was employed by the Chicago Board of Trade. They\nwanted to take the option business and make it liquid. For 400 or 500 years,\npeople had been buying options, starting in London, but they were not liquid. If\nyou bought an option on a stock [and] it expired worthless, you couldn't do\nanything in the meantime other than exercise. You couldn't sell. If the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11280.0,11310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stock\nwent way up in price, you could exercise and sell your stock, but you couldn't\nsell your option. I don't want to get too technical about it. I listened to him.\nI thought it sounded very intriguing, so I took it to our board. They said,\n\"Well, look, how much is it going to cost?\" I said, \"Well, a seat on this new\nexchange called the Chicago Board Options Exchange\" . . . I said. \"I went up\nthere. I went to Chicago. They took me down on the floor of the board of trade.\nThey had an area off to the side, which was called the cafeteria, because it\nwas. It was the cafeteria. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11310.0,11340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had the tray and food service and everything. He\nsaid, \"We're going to take out these things, and we're going to put a trading\nroom in here. We're going to trade eight stocks. IBM . . . \" He named a bunch of\nthem. I went back to the firm. I had to explain to them, number one, what an\noption was. Number two, they went to King and Spalding, who immediately gave the\nclassical, pardon the expression, lawyer ruling, \"They're illegal. Can't do\nthem. Against the law. They're gambling.\" They were really not gambling. They\nwere the exact opposite. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11340.0,11370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Options or not options. Real estate for years. We\nfought through that. Fortunately, we had a chairman of the board who was no\nlonger running the business, a man named Henry Tompkins, who had married Roby\nRobinson's daughter, the founder. I'm talking about 1894. Mr. Tompkins was an\ninteresting man. He was a chess master. He was a scholar of all kinds. He took\none look at it, and he said, \"This is the best thing I've ever seen.\" He said,\n\"You guys are crazy. You need to approve this.\" Old Mr. Tompkins said, \"Do it.\"\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11370.0,11400.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, everybody else fell in. So, we bought a seat. It was in my name. I\nmean, the firm put up the money. Bought a seat on the soon to be opened brand\nnew exchange. Wasn't in business. The Chicago Board Options Exchange, 1974,\n1975, whatever year it was. I can't remember exactly. We paid $10,000 for the\nseat. Today, they're trading in millions of dollars. I said, \"The only liability\nis $10,000. We don't have to put anybody up there. I'll go up to Chicago, and\nI'll find somebody that will ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11400.0,11430.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"clear our business. We've got to have somebody that\nwill handle . . . To make a trade, you got to have an order go to somebody. You\ngot to go to the floor. You got to execute. Then you got to do all the back\noffice and make . . . I'll find somebody.\" I went up there. I remember getting\non a plane with . . . They said, \"Take our head of operations.\" We go out to the\nAtlanta airport, get on a plane. I'm sitting next to the guy, and he seems\nreally nervous, head of operations. I said, \"What's the matter?\" He said, \"I've\nnever been in a plane before.\" I'm going to Chicago. We're buying a seat on the\nexchange nobody has ever heard of, and he's never been in a plane. We went up\nthere, and we interviewed a bunch of firms. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11430.0,11460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We selected A.G. Becker to clear our\nbusiness for us. I came back and wrote the manuals. I designed the order forms.\nHow do you fill an order. Then I had to go around, all the branches, and tell\nthem what an option was. It was an unbelievable experience. By today's standard,\nyou think that's crazy. But it's huge. It's one of the biggest businesses on the\nopen exchange all over the world. It was just a huge . . . every exchange now\ntrades ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11460.0,11490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"options on that same model. I thought that was really an eye opening from\nthe ground up, having to do everything. Somebody's got to do it. Anyway, then I\nhad an account. I'm reading the paper every day. This is about 1974 or somewhere\naround then. Again, same time. I see they have these money funds. Excuse me,\nthere was a money fund. It was a coupon that said Fidelity Daily Income ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11490.0,11520.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Trust. I\nremember they had a frog and he had \u003cunintelligible\u003e. It's like the Aflac duck,\nI guess. I sent him a check for $500 or something like that. I got a prospectus.\nIt was a money market fund. They sent me a book of checks. I said, \"This is a\npretty good idea. Why don't we have something like this?\" They said, \"Brokers\ndon't have them.\" You got to have a mutual fund. I looked up the list of money\nmarket funds. I don't remember exactly, but there were about four or five.\nToday, there are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11520.0,11550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thousands, but there were four or five, one of whom, by\ncoincidence, was run by a guy named [Joseph] Joe Reich, who was a fraternity\nbrother of mine at Cornell. He was a very bright guy who had founded a firm\ncalled Reich \u0026 Tang. He had a fund called Daily Income Fund. I called up Joe\nReich. I said, \"Joe, any chance you'd let us . . . send your money. We could use\nit. It looks like a good deal to me.\" He said, \"No. We only want institutions.\nWe don't want any retail customers.\" He said, \"You need to call a guy named John\nGoldsmith in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11550.0,11580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cleveland, who is with Prescott, Ball and Turben [Inc].\" I called\nthis guy. Answered the phone, \"John Goldsmith.\" It turns out to be one of the\nsmartest guys I've ever met in my life. He was the CEO of Prescott. He said, \"We\nhave a small firm. We've just incorporated. We've put a lot of money in it. We\ndon't know whether we're going to do anything with it, but if you want to talk\nabout it, come on up here.\" I got on a plane. Flew to Cleveland. Stayed at one\nof those hotels, whatever it was. There was a couple of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11580.0,11610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty crappy hotels\nbefore the Ritz in downtown Cleveland. I go over to his offices. I liked the guy\na lot, and we got along real well. One thing led to another. He said, \"Well,\nI'll tell you what I'll do. We'll sell you have of our . . . would you buy half\nof the management company?\" I said, \"I have to go back to my partners and see,\nbut how much does it cost?\" He said, \"We invested $100,000.\" It sounded like a\nlot of money to me. He said, \"All the legal fees but it's all done. If you give\nus $50,000, you can be a joint owner of this ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11610.0,11640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"business.\" Carnegie Capital\nManagement Company Liquid Capital Income Trust was their one fund they had. I\nwent back. I remember getting our board together. I had to explain to our board\nof directors what a money market fund was, how they operate, what you invest in,\nand what our risks were. And our risks were none. Worst case, you let the money\nroll off, it all matures, and everybody goes home. The real risk was that\nnothing happened and your $50,000 didn't turn any money. Well, they approved it.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11640.0,11670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We ended up with the first broker-sponsored money fund in America. That was\nCarnegie Capital Management Company. We then contacted five or six other\nregional firms. \"We need to raise some money to make this thing profitable. You\ngot to get it up over $30 million.\" It eventually wound up going over about $7\nor $8 billion, $10 billion. It was huge. The money rolled in. I remember\nrunning, you operated with about three people. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11670.0,11700.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As long as your credits are good.\nIt was a time of rising interest rates. When you have rising interest rates and\nyou have short maturities, you can constantly . . . your new investments were\nalways made at higher rates, so you look good. Now, the converse wasn't true,\nbut in that period of time, rates were rising. As long as you stay with AAA\ncredits, as long as you stay with famous names, you don't have a problem. The\nproblems money funds have run into over the years is that they break that rule.\nEither they go long on maturities, without getting into details, or they were\npoor credits. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11700.0,11730.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we've had some problems. Some of them have. So, we founded\nthis business, and we were making so much money that it was embarrassing. I\nremember running into Joe Reich, the guy that was my fraternity brother, who I\nstill see, who's a great guy, at the airport. I said, \"Joe, can you believe? I'm\nembarrassed. We get these checks, they're so big. We don't do anything!\" It was\ninteresting. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11730.0,11760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The objection from our firm was, \"Look, we don't want to put our\nclient's money in a money fund because that means that we don't keep it here at\nour firm.\" Brokers kept the cash, paid no interest on it, and invested it\nthemselves, so they accumulated the money. My point was, if it's good for our\ncustomers, it's got to be good for us. And, of course, it was. But I remember\nalso having to go around and explain, \"What is a money market fund?\" We invited\nfive or six other firms to come in, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11760.0,11790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rauscher Pierce Refsnes and the firm up in\nSeattle. I'm drawing a blank on the name. Dain Bosworth up in Minneapolis and\nWheat First up in Richmond. I knew all these guys. I knew them through the\nbusiness. We all had a meeting. We flew to Chicago, met in the lounge, the\nAmerican Airlines lounge in the Chicago, O'Hare Airport. We laid out what it is,\nwhat it's going to cost you - almost nothing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11790.0,11820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Most of them said no. It's the\nstupidest idea they ever heard of. We didn't have any money in it at the time to\nspeak of. Except, two of them said yes. Two of them said no. Actually, a third\none actually said yes but stayed in only about a month and thought it was a\nstupid idea. Money funds were a joke and couldn't make any money, so they go\nout. It's one of the great bonanzas in the history of investing. It's like\nhaving a toll booth on the freeway. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11820.0,11850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This business got to be a huge business in\nCleveland. We ended up with about a half a dozen or more different funds. It's\nstill in business today, but we sold it back on a leveraged buy out to the\nmanagement group, who's still in Cleveland. I speak to them all the time. I love\nthose guys.\n\nBERMAN: What's the name of it now?\n\nASHER: It's still called Carnegie Capital Management Company, in the Euclid\nBuilding, 1331 Euclid Avenue. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11850.0,11880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is the name of a building? Anyway, it was\nsuch a good idea that when we joined American Express, they also bought Boston\nSafe Deposit [\u0026 Trust Co.], which is one of the oldest trust companies in\nAmerica. They took one look at it and said, \"I got to tell you what, we're going\nto use Carnegie Capital to . . . we're going to take stuff away from Boston\nbecause it's so expensive to process and to hire people.\" They built a huge\noperation in Boston around Carnegie Capital ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11880.0,11910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Management Company. I flew back\nafter the thing. They said, \"We need a lawyer.\" I said, 'I'll get you a lawyer\nthat would do this thing.\" They were running out of their hip pocket in\nCleveland. They were using Squire Sanders and Dempsey, but they didn't care. I\nsaid, \"That's fine with me.\" They said, \"Can you get us a lawyer?\" I said, \"Yes.\nI'll go back and I'll get one.\" I went back. David Baker is my friend. I called\nDavid. David said sure, he'd do it. David became the lawyer for Carnegie\nCapital. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11910.0,11940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got to tell you honestly, I just think about it. I was on the ground\nfloor of two amazingly innovative, interesting, creative new business ventures\nthat by pure luck, number one, I happened to stumble into. Number two, that my\ncompany said, \"Want to do it? Great.\" I guarantee you, today if Smith Barney and\nthese other big firms, you'd have committees, and you'd have reports, and you'd\nhave McKinsey [\u0026 Co.], and they'd probably not do it because it probably\nwouldn't ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11940.0,11970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sound like it was any good.\n\nBERMAN: But I think you need to give yourself a little credit on seeing that.\nSomebody else, it may have come across their desk, and somebody else, like you\nsaid, \"Oh, this idea is crazy.\" You had to present the idea. I think this is\nsomething you have to give yourself credit for being . . .\n\nASHER: The only credit I take for me is that I really thought, honestly, that I\nthought it was going to be good. In hindsight, yes, it was great, but along the\nway I remember many times, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=11970.0,12000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Why are we doing this? We're not going to lose a lot\nof money if it fails.\" I do remember going around to the branches and talking to\nthem and talking to our people and saying, \"You know, this is not a bad deal.\nThis is a good deal.\" Eventually, they all . . . It's sort of interesting. In\n1982, when we sold our business to American Express, [Sanford] Sandy Weill was\nthe CEO. He negotiated with us. He agreed. I got John Goldsmith to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12000.0,12030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"go with me to\nNew York to say, \"Can't we keep liquid capital income?\" Because we were the\nfirst. In fact, at that time, they had one little dinky money fund. It really\nwasn't . . . you look today in Barron's, you will have a whole page of money\nfunds. It's in the trillions of dollars. It's so big, it's staggering. Yet, we\nwere among the first. We were the first the first brokerage firm. When I think\nabout it, yes, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12030.0,12060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but along the way we didn't know. We did know that when we get\ntogether at Carnegie, in the quiet of the evening when we would have a couple of\ndrinks . . . they put us up in Cleveland at this club. The Union Club.\n\nBERMAN: The Union Club. I remember that.\n\nASHER: Union Club. It's an interesting club. It's like turning the clock back\n200 years. No women allowed in the building. They come in sometimes in a special\nelevator, you know? But they weren't allowed to stay there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12060.0,12090.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They put us up at\nUnion Club. I'd never been to a place like that. They didn't lock the doors.\nDidn't have locks. They had skeleton keys like you could buy here at Richards\n[Variety Store] down here at the dime store. You can buy the same key to unlock\nthe same door. They didn't have a door. They had like, a bar door, like you\nwould see in a Western saloon. Had a little bulb in the ceiling. If you wanted\nto make a long-distance call, you would pick up the phone and Estelle would ask\nyou what you wanted to do. I'd say, \"I want to call Atlanta.\" \"What's the\nnumber? Hang up, and I'll connect you.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12090.0,12120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Still, they had spectacular art,\nspectacular sculptures. When you would go to the bar, I had never seen anything\nlike this, you go to the bar and you sit down there, and the waiter would come\nover to you. He would say, \"What will you have?\" I would say, \"I'll have a\nvodka.\" \"What kind of vodka?\" \"I don't know, Stoli. Stoli's fine with me.\"\nAlways brought you a brand-new, unopened fifth of whatever you ordered. If you\nordered ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12120.0,12150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Johnny Walker Black, you got an unopened fifth of Johnny Walker Black.\nI've never seen that. I don't know what they did with all the opened bottles.\nWe'd have one drink. But you're right, late in the evenings, we would sit around\nand say, \"Can you believe it?\" Quite frankly, we went out and hired the current\nmanagement. We were really running it out of our hip pocket. The guy who we\nstarted with is a guy named Terry Glenn. Terry Glenn is at Merrill. He's got one\nof the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12150.0,12180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"top positions at Merrill in the mutual fund area. His brother is Scott\nGlenn. They both went to Yale [University]. Scott Glenn wanted to be an actor,\nso he went to drama school. Like any actor, he was desperately looking for jobs,\nso he goes and gets a job. He sees this job requirement, a call for actors to go\nto the Philippines or someplace like that for this thing with a guy named\nFrancis ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12180.0,12210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Coppola. He goes over there. He had been in Midnight Cowboy. He did.\nJohn Glenn. He played the role in one of those early . . . He got his start by\nwilling to stay there for three or four or five weeks, six weeks in the\nPhilippines with Francis Coppola in the one with Marlon Brando.\n\nBERMAN: Apocalypse Now?\n\nASHER: Apocalypse Now. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12210.0,12240.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, Terry, he's from Pittsburgh [Pennsylvania]. He\ncame in to run the business when we got involved. We would sit around . . . he's\none of the classiest, brightest guys I ever met in my life. I remember sitting\naround with him. Merrill hired him away from us, to their credit. That's when we\nwent out and hired the current management that currently owns Carnegie. But, we\nwould sit around say, \"Can you believe that we stumbled on this business,\" which\nis one of the biggest businesses in America, but we were the first. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12240.0,12270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was,\nthere is a lot of satisfaction being the first. I wasn't the first in the\noptions business, but coming from Atlanta, I was the only regional firm that\njoined the CBOE. Nobody else would join. All the big firms, you had to throw\nthem a bone, $10,000 from Merrill. They spill that out on Saturday night. What\ndo they worry about? It's a rounding error. The CBOE, when they found it, they\nneeded to have a nominating committee to nominate people, so they asked me.\n\"Would I come to Chicago and be on the nominating ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12270.0,12300.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"committee?\" \"Sure. Why not?\" I\nfly up there. They said, \"Bring your wife.\" Spring and I flew to Chicago. We\nstayed at the Whitehall [Hotel]. I remember the name of the hotel. They put us\nup in a fine hotel. All expenses. Only one thing wrong, everybody else worked at\nthe Exchange. We had nothing to do until four o'clock, five o'clock. They would\nmeet from five until six, and they would go home. For five days straight, I had\none hour, from five to six, to work and met these people. That was a lot of fun.\nThey looked on me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12300.0,12330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as having . . . I came from Goodbody \u0026 Co. Goodbody was very\nbig in the traditional options business. Merrill did no options at all. Today,\nthey're the biggest player in the options business, because they took over\nGoodbody, but they didn't do it then. It was a very traditional business. I also\nremember, my college roommate was a guy named John Herzog. I may have mentioned\nthat to you before, in the other one. He had this small firm. He had a guy that\ndid options there. His name was Paul ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12330.0,12360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sarnoff. Paul Sarnoff. Not Robert Sarnoff.\nPaul Sarnoff, who was the options guru in America. It turns he worked for\nHerzog. I told John, \"I want to come up and talk to him about . . . I got to\nfind out more about this business.\" I flew up, and he could not have been nicer.\nI saved all the old option contracts that he showed me. They go back. They would\nbe worth something to a museum. Nonetheless, it was great. There's no question.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12360.0,12390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robinson Humphrey, we also had great people. Among Robinson Humphrey today, we\nhad the best people in every community in Columbus, Macon, Savannah, Montgomery,\nHuntsville, Birmingham, Nashville, Columbia, and Charleston. We had the best,\nthe best people in their communities, largely because of the magnetism of Sandy\nand Justus.\n\nBERMAN: I wanted to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12390.0,12420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ask you about that just a little bit. They obviously were\nnot Jewish.\n\nASHER: No.\n\nBERMAN: And you were. Were you able to socialize at the same clubs? I know you\nbelong to the Piedmont Driving Club today, but during the 1960s, that probably\nwasn't an option for you.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: Business-wise, was that difficult?\n\nASHER: I personally, the only reason I'm a member of the Driving Club today is\nbecause of my partners, who are all members. Look, I was uncomfortable ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12420.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going\nthere. I knew they didn't allow Jews in there. We had a major dinner there with\nShearon and Peter Cohen, who was number two to Sandy Weill, who stood up at the\nDriving Club and said, \"I knew the only way I could get in this building was to\nbuy you.\" I wasn't a member then. I knew that, but these were my friends. I was\na member of the Standard Club, and they were members of their club. I can\nremember sitting, I was on the board of the Standard Club. I can remember they\nwere talking about . . . of course, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12450.0,12480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we have Christian members, gentile members,\nbut not then. Back then? They weren't happy if somebody that was not German\nJewish, much less Christian. The prejudices and the lines cut both ways. I was\nnever uncomfortable. I remember we had a group of sales managers, people of my\npeers at these other firms. Robert Baird had a guy named Bob Siegel. He was the\nonly Jewish sales manager that I knew, I mean, other than me. We actually met\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12480.0,12510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"once every three or four years, two or three years, whatever it was. Each one of\nus would host a meeting. The purpose was, we'd go with our spouses to a\nlocation, and we would talk about the business. We weren't competitors. We were\ncareful not to talk about anything antitrust, but just, \"What are you\nmarketing?\" We got to know each other. Bob Siegal, I remember, asked me one\ntime, he said, \"What's it like being a Jew at Robinson Humphrey?\" All of a\nsudden, that struck me. To the outside world, it was a gentile firm, but there\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12510.0,12540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were Jews there. Sidney Smith was there. Louis Holland was there. Sidney was the\nbiggest producer in the firm. He came from Clement A. Evans [\u0026 Co., Inc.]. But,\nthere wasn't anybody really in the senior management area who was Jewish.\nEverybody knew I was Jewish. They were all very nice to me. I did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12540.0,12570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hear, after\nthe fact, that one of our brokers, who left us, came from Thomasville, the\nFlowers family, his name was Flowers, used to make a lot of antisemitic remarks\nabout me. Somebody told me, someone who was not Jewish. I suspect a lot of that\nwent on.\n\nBERMAN: Were you surprised after the fact?\n\nASHER: I was very surprised. Actually, I was shocked. I was hurt, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12570.0,12600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I wasn't\nsurprised. Justus and Sandy, no. I mean, Justus definitely was very close to\nErwin. When Justus died, his secretary called me and said, \"I want you to please\ncall Erwin right now. I want him to hear about it right away, and you're the one\nto call him.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12600.0,12630.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Justus, they were all of the manor born. But Justus was a mentor,\nhe was a father figure, he was a brother figure, he was a friend. He loved my\nwife. They invited us to go lots of places with them. We had a company plane and\nwe would travel a lot with them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12630.0,12660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was not prejudiced. I mean, I heard things\nthat I wouldn't say, but he was a creature of another generation. But they were\nboth classy people. Justus was a great guy. I tell people, if you want to study\nleadership, study those people. I sort of wish there were movies and bios\nwritten about them. Justus was the kind of guy, when we had problems . . . we\nwould have litigation, we would have big losses. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12660.0,12690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anything would go. Lots of\nthings could go wrong in the brokerage business. Lots. And they involve big\ndollars. We would get sued. I'm proud to say I was sued for Petrol Louis [sp].\nThat was a deal we did as a firm. I'm proud to say that my name was on the same\nsuit with Sandy Weill, Peter Cohen and Justus Martin, and me. I wear that with a\nbadge of pride. Fortunately, the suit got dismissed. I remember Justus would get\nall upset. He would call you in his office, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12690.0,12720.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he would go nuts. He would rant\nand rave, but you know what? He never finished a conversation without getting up\nfrom behind his desk and coming around and putting his arm around you and\ntelling you how much he loved you and how much you meant to him and how much you\nmeant to the company. All you want to do is kick the door down and go out there\nand work 24 hours until you just collapsed. We didn't make any money to speak\nof. I can remember years where if we made a $500 bonus at the end of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12720.0,12750.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"year,\nthat was all the money we had, and that's fine. We didn't care. Knock on wood,\nwe were lucky. We sold our business and got a long-term capital gain at the end\nof it, but it wasn't for money. It was really because people loved working for\nthose people. We still talk about it among those of us who are still around.\nSome of us are. Mine is sort of an indirect, but some of the old-timers that, we\nwere there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12750.0,12780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not talking about the products, talking about the company. We were\nthere in the glory days of maybe one of the greatest association of people ever\nin the investment business. That's why I say I was blessed. I was so lucky that\nGoodbody failed. Sometimes one door closes another one opens.\n\nBERMAN: You said earlier that you felt blessed. It sounds like ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12780.0,12810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you feel like you\nwere blessed both in business, and you've obviously been blessed in your\nmarriage and with your family.\n\nASHER: Yes, knock on wood here. I am superstitious.\n\nBERMAN: It's wonderful to feel that way and to have those memories of all that.\n\nASHER: It is. It's wonderful. It really is. In business. That's the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12810.0,12840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"only reason\nI wanted to do this second segment was I really felt like somebody needed to\nrecord what happened at this investment firm, where somehow or another, every\nday the chemistry, the people, they were so much fun. There was so much\nlaughter. There was so much spirit. It's what you dream about but doesn't happen\nin many places. I know people who work. They're ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12840.0,12870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"miserable. Well, they weren't\nmiserable. They loved it. They loved working there. I still run into these\npeople, and we all think about, \"How can we have been so fortunate?\" I used to\nsee Mrs. Yearley. He died. They ended up buying a place down in Buford, South\nCarolina, some famous place that was hundreds of years old. I used to see Mrs.\nYearley at the Publix market because she lived right there. She could walk\nthere. Her daughter is still here, Fontaine ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12870.0,12900.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Draper, married Frank Draper. She's\nin charge of admission at Lovett School. I used to see Mrs. Yearley, and we'd\nboth get real teary-eyed. We both cried. I mean, in a grocery store. Because\nthis was something special. And it was. These were a lot of people. It wasn't\njust me. I went along for the ride. The ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12900.0,12930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"secretaries, the sales assistants, the\ntraders. I don't think it's there anymore. I work for a big company. I work for\nthe largest financial services company on the planet. We have 265,000 employees.\nThe brokerage firm has 70,000. I don't know any of those people. I don't know\nany of them, and that's okay. In fact, I think that's good financially for\neverybody, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12930.0,12960.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but when you have your own little family, it was really something.\nYou could do anything, and they've sort of moved around. The reason I joined the\nDriving Club, as I say, was frankly some of the . . . they approached me and\nsaid, \"Would you . . . \" I'm sure what happened . . . I don't know for sure, but\nmy assumption is that they decided . . . They obviously opened the club. There\nare a lot of Jews that are ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12960.0,12990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"members. I wasn't the first. A year or so before . .\n. I'm sure what they're doing is looking around the community. Look, we're\nsmart. We'll get more members.\n\nBERMAN: Do you think any of the old timers have been a little upset about it\nover at the Driving Club?\n\nASHER: I have no evidence of it, but my gut tells me yes. That's only because I\nthink ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=12990.0,13020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people are people. I think they probably would like to preserve the club\nthe way it was.\n\nBERMAN: It has always intrigued me so much because a founding member, Aaron\nHaas, was Jewish, so it always was so intriguing to me.\n\nASHER: I think that's true with the Capital City Club, too. I think there were Jews.\n\nBERMAN: Yes. Victor Kriegshaber, who was a president of the Capital City Club.\n\nASHER: There was a man ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13020.0,13050.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who was the . . . named Colonel Cohen at the Driving\nClub. His picture is on the wall. He was not Jewish, I don't believe.\n\nBERMAN: Right. I think you told me about him.\n\nASHER: There are some Goldsmiths, not Jews. There are a lot of Ashers. I assume\nall Ashers are Jews because they're one of the twelve tribes of Israel, but I\nsaw on the internet, there's a guy named Tom Asher. Every now and then I google.\nI haven't done it anymore because I'm not on the internet, but I googled Tom\nAsher one time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13050.0,13080.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure enough, I knew there was Thomas J. Asher because shortly\nafter we got married and moved back to Atlanta out of the army, I went to the\nFox Theatre to pick up some tickets, and they gave me the tickets, but there\nwere two sets of tickets, one for Dr. Thomas J. Asher and one for Thomas J.\nAsher. The doctor was head of the CDC [Centers for Disease Control]. I knew that\nthere. There was the Asher Slack Company. There is Asher Candies, so there are\nplenty of Ashers. Whether they're Jews or not, I don't know. A couple of years\nago, I googled Tom Asher. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13080.0,13110.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure enough, the guy shows up, Tom Asher, \"the Sausage\nKing.\" It said, \"e-mail me.\" So, I sent him an e-mail and said, \"I'm Tom Asher,\ntoo.\" He sent me back his response. It had quotes from John 3:2 and had lots of\ncrosses and symbolism in there. I realized, \"He ain't one of ours.\" I guess not.\nIt's interesting. I really was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13110.0,13140.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the center of the Christian investment\ncommunity, more so than anybody else because obviously all the other firms were\nwide open. Historically, they weren't, but they were for the last 50 years. Yet,\nI never saw any antisemitism. I did see it from some people that didn't know who\nI was, like strangers, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13140.0,13170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like a money manager. I'll never forget that. I know the\nmoney manager, and I've just never liked him because of it, frankly. Not from\nhere. In fact, he's from London, and he would visit us, and we put a lot of\nmoney with him. I really stopped after he made a real antisemitic slur. I could\ntell he didn't know who he was around. He was among friends. He was among\ngentiles. He wasn't among gentiles. I've heard some of my partners, whom I love\ndearly, mistakenly talk ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13170.0,13200.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about \"Jewing them down.\" I asked them, \"Please don't\nsay that.\" \"Why?\" I said, \"Because it hurts my feelings. That's why.\" \"Oh, well,\nI'm very sorry. I didn't know.\" I said, \"No big deal.\" Some of those things are\nold habits are hard to break.\n\nBERMAN: It's very inbred. It's just a statement. It hurts us, but they don't\neven recognize the . . .\n\nASHER: I think that's true. No question. I know these people. The source was\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13200.0,13230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"definitely not prejudicial. You know what, some people may have run across\nprejudice. I really didn't. I ran across, and maybe I told you this story. I\nthink I did, about the analyst, who I saw just recently, I think since the\ntaping. We were at Goldberg's. Did I tell you the Goldberg story?\n\nBERMAN: I don't think so.\n\nASHER: This is the analyst who, when I invited him to go to Joey's bar mitzvah,\nhe didn't understand what it was and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13230.0,13260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why would I be having a bar mitzvah. He\ndidn't think I was Jewish. He said he'd never met a Jew before. This is an\nanalyst with us. He had, but he didn't [realize]. That wasn't in his eyesight.\nHe didn't look at people religious . . . we do. I do, in the sense that if\nyou're Jewish, you got a common bond. The six degrees of separation. I promise\nyou, if I meet somebody from Cleveland, Ohio, I know I can name five people that\nthey know. Isn't that right?\n\nBERMAN: That's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13260.0,13290.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"absolutely [right].\n\nASHER: That's just the way it is.\n\nBERMAN: I did have one question, and we're heading toward the end of this last\ntape, second tape. I know that you're friendly, have been friendly for years,\nwith the Dorsey family.\n\nASHER: Yes.\n\nBERMAN: I was just wondering if they have ever given you any personal insight\ninto how they feel about Hugh Dorsey and the Frank case, if they've talked to\nyou about it at all.\n\nASHER: They have.\n\nBERMAN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13290.0,13320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you share that?\n\nASHER: Sure, I'd be glad to. Did I share any of it on the first tape?\n\nBERMAN: No.\n\nASHER: Okay. When we first got married, we lived at this big, torn-down as we\nspeak. This week, they started to tear down Ashley Hall. When we first got\nmarried, there was someplace wrote, \"Tom Ashley living in Ashley Hall.\" They\nmust have thought, you live in a big house with your name on it. It was right\nacross from the Buckhead Y[MCA] on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13320.0,13350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Roswell Road. We moved into an apartment\nupstairs, one bedroom, and one other bedroom across the hall, in one other\napartment, and we knock on the door. It's Adair and Tom Sisk. That's who we\nbecame friends with, and really liked them a lot. She turns out to be Hugh\nDorsey's granddaughter. Big Hugh. Then there was Hugh, who was the father. She\nhad a brother, Hugh, and a brother, Rufus. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13350.0,13380.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We became very good friends. Shortly\nafter we met them, I remember up there, saying, \"You're Hugh Dorsey. I mean, you\nknow the governor. Do you know anything about the Leo Frank case?\" She said, \"Of\ncourse I do.\" She shared, gave me books, some books that he had written in and\nsome papers and stuff, which I had to give back, of course. I didn't have any\ninterest other than just seeing them. Mrs. Dorsey, Laura Dorsey, her sister,\nAdair's sister became an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13380.0,13410.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ordained minister. They were very religious. Not\nprejudicial at all. In fact, she tried to get Spring to join the Peachtree\nGarden Club, but told her, in tears, that \"you don't want to be someplace that\nyou're not wanted.\" Subsequently, Spring did join the garden club because they\ndecided that Jews weren't so bad. This was Spring Asher they all got to know,\nand \"Yes, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13410.0,13440.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she's all right.\" But then they didn't know her. But she was a Jew, no\nmatter who recommended them. Laura Dorsey was that way. These people are\nanything, they're just not prejudicial. They're just not. They have talked about\nit. They're very protective of Hugh Dorsey. They feel that he has been maligned,\nthat they didn't have the . . . my personal opinion is that Parade didn't open\nhere. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13440.0,13470.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Rich Foundation was called on by the director of the Alliance Theatre.\nThis was back when Parade was getting going, and they wanted us to give some\nmoney to some production. I said, \"What about Parade?\" They said, \"We can't do\nthat. It's too controversial. Besides, we don't want to be there.\" I think that\nthey are still very defensive. I do know that when Parade came to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13470.0,13500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atlanta, Adair\nwas very upset and just hoping that it would go away. They are very protective\nof him, right or wrong, good or bad, 100 percent solid behind Hugh Dorsey. I\ndon't know whether that speaks to the guilt or innocence of Leo Frank, because I\ndo know that the other, Tom Watson Brown, thinks that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13500.0,13530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Leo Frank was guilty, from\nwhat I understand.\n\nBERMAN: Have they ever discussed the guilt or innocence of Leo Frank?\n\nASHER: They really haven't. I know it's so sensitive to them that I just stayed\naway from it, quite candidly. I think we have talked about it over the years.\nSince we got married and we've gotten to know them, and Spring is still very . .\n. Spring calls her her longest-standing friend. They call her oldest friend, but\nshe is her oldest friend in Atlanta. They are still very, very close. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13530.0,13560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, no,\nwe really haven't talked about it. Subsequently, of course, he's been more\nproven to be even more innocent than he ever was by every . . . there's not been\none shred of documentation which proves anything. In fact, it goes the other\nway. I don't think that's been so much the issue as it was . . .\n\nBERMAN: Whether he was a good prosecutor or not.\n\nASHER: Right, right. Of course, he became governor. Mr. Hugh Dorsey, his son,\nwrote, was the reason why Joey went to Emory Law School, my oldest boy. 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I don't think there was any . . . but I do think that their\nfeeling is solid behind the father, the grandfather.\n\nBERMAN: I knew ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13590.0,13620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that you were friendly with them, so I just . . .\n\nASHER: Yes. The only reason I wanted to do this is I wanted to get on the record\nwhat I think is a special place that years from now people will say, \"Yes, we\nheard of it.\" But I don't think anybody has done an oral history that talks\nabout this extraordinary enterprise.\n\nBERMAN: I don't either. This is the first one, I think, that we've really had,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13620.0,13650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when someone has really spoken about investments and the investment industry on\ntape. I'm really thrilled that you agreed to do that. Is there any other area\nthat you'd like to speak about because we're heading toward the end of this\ntape. I want to make sure we don't miss anything. You were going to mention\nsomething about Leadership Atlanta?\n\nASHER: I'll say two things that I discovered. 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When I went in in 1973-1974, it was very an ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13770.0,13800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"eye opener because the\npeople in my class, the black people, the African Americans were - they've been\non the bus ride to Selma [Alabama]\n\nBERMAN: I'm not sure what Leadership Atlanta is.\n\nASHER: Leadership Atlanta was founded in about 1970-1971. It was really in a way\nto bring the races together initially in a civic educational forum, and it's\nbeen going in Atlanta and around the country. There is ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13800.0,13830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Leadership Georgia,\nLeadership Clayton, Leadership Rabun. They're all over. One of the early ones,\nit wasn't started in Atlanta, but it was one of the early ones. We met monthly\nand had speakers, not unlike with the way they do it today. Juliet told me in\nher speaker she had last month, they had [Andrew Jackson] Andy Young [Jr.]. They\nhad all these different, they had the best and brightest leaders. In our case,\nit was a civics lesson. Learn all about your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13830.0,13860.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"community and the people who are in\nit. The criteria for joining and the qualifications were, you had to demonstrate\nsome community leadership, I guess. I'm not sure exactly what got me into it,\nbut I got in. Robinson Humphrey always carried a lot of clout, and I got in. But\nI did meet . . . there wasn't anybody in there that I knew before. People that I\nstill meet, [Charles H.] Pete ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13860.0,13890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McTier, who runs Woodruff Foundation. I met him\nthrough that. Don Chapman, who is head of the Tech Alumni Association. Neal\nPurcell, who became vice chairman of Peat Marwick. These were all just . . . and\na lot of people in the black community, too. Women in the white and black\ncommunity. Emma Darnell [Fulton County Commissioner] and people like that. She\nhasn't changed any since then, without going on record about it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13890.0,13920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can do that\noff the record. We met all these people who were really very open minded. I led\na very sheltered life. I lived in this little German Jewish white community in\nDruid Hills and went away to prep school and then went away to college and came\nback and got in the most elite business there is, the investment business. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13920.0,13950.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then\nI got in the most elite firm there was. I really led a cloistered life. It was\nvery helpful. It opened my eyes to this community. I think what that did to me\nwas I met people who asked me to help them. That's why I got really active in\nthe field of mental retardation and that whole area, and education, because they\nhave problems. These people say, \"We need help, and we need it from . . . we\ncan't do it by ourselves.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13950.0,13980.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not a one-person job. That's been the beauty of\nLeadership Atlanta. I'm guessing that they have . . . it's changed now. In the\npast, you had to be under 35, I think, to get in the program. Today, they have\npeople who have been in it, I think, in their 70s. I'm not sure what the value\nof that is, because in our case, the goals were: Become active, go out in the\ncommunity, and help ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=13980.0,14010.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"somebody. I've participated in a lot of community things,\nI'm sure, as a direct result of . . . you see somebody there, and I still run\nacross guys in the black community who, \"Remember me from those days?\" That was\n35 years ago. Just like in college, when you see your classmates from college,\nyou really don't change. You may look different, but ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=14010.0,14040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just below the surface you\nare exactly the same, the same goofball that you were then. You're still a\ngoofball, but you're a loving goofball. So it really it doesn't change at all.\nJust like when we had a fraternity reunion in college. We did a couple of years\nago. I think I covered that \u003cunintelligible\u003e. We see these people. It just\ndoesn't change. That's the only reason I wanted to mention that to you. Was\nthere anything else?\n\nBERMAN: I think that's it. I think this was really fantastic. I'm very\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=14040.0,14070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/transcript/18413/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"appreciative of your sharing all these stories with us. I think it is truly an\narea that we haven't delved into very much with any other members. I'm really\nappreciative. I think it's going to be an interview that will be used by\nresearchers for many, many years.\n\nASHER: Good.\n\nBERMAN: Thank you.\n\nASHER: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=14070.0,14100.0"}]},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Annotations [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eJacob Elsas (1842-1932) was the founder of Fulton Bag and Cotton Mill, a business which opened its doors on Decatur Street in 1881, located in the Cabbagetown neighborhood east of downtown Atlanta. Elsas was an immigrant of German Jewish descent who had arrived in Atlanta from Cincinnati, Ohio. He is buried in Oakland cemetery in Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe American Civil War, widely known in the United States as the ‘Civil War’ or the ‘War Between the States,’ was fought from 1861 to 1865 to determine the survival of the Union or independence for the Confederacy. In January 1861, seven Southern slave states declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate States of America. The Confederacy, often called the ‘South,’ grew to include 11 states, and although they claimed 13 states and additional western territories, the Confederacy was never diplomatically recognized by a foreign country. The states that did not declare secession were known as the ‘Union’ or the ‘North.’ The war had its origin in the issue of slavery.  After four years of bloody combat, which left over 600,000 Union and Confederate soldiers dead and destroyed much of the South's infrastructure, the Confederacy collapsed, slavery was abolished, and the difficult Reconstruction process of restoring national unity and granting civil rights to freed slaves began.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFulton Bag and Cotton Mills is a formerly operating mill complex located in the Cabbagetown neighborhood of Atlanta. The beginnings of the company can be traced to 1868, when Jacob Elsas, an immigrant of German Jewish descent who had recently arrived in Atlanta from Cincinnati, Ohio, and began work in the rag, paper, and hide business. Elsas soon recognized the need for cloth and paper containers for their goods. Within two or three years Elsas had switched to manufacturing cloth and paper bags and joined forces with fellow German Jewish immigrant Isaac May. Construction of the complex began in 1881 on the south side of the Georgia Railroad line, east of downtown Atlanta. The site now includes 505 loft apartments called The Fulton Cotton Mill Lofts and the Stacks Condominiums.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eThe Kimball House was built in in 1870 by northern railroad tycoon Hannibal Kimball. It was a lavish structure and a marker of Gilded Age sophistication and Atlanta’s cosmopolitanism. It was situated on Peachtree Street in Atlanta’s Five Points area.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAtlanta-Fulton County Stadium served as the home ballpark for the Atlanta Braves baseball team for 31 seasons from 1966 to 1996. The stadium was built in Downtown Atlanta in what had previously been a residential area and the center of much of Atlanta’s Jewish community from the late nineteenth century through the first half of the twentieth century. The neighborhood was razed in the early 1960s to make way for the Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium and its parking lots. In 1997, the Braves moved less than one block to Turner Field. It was built to serve the 1996 Summer Olympics. The Braves played their final game at Turner Field on October 2, 2016. In 2016, Georgia State University bought the ballpark and redesigned it for a college football stadium. The Braves played their first game in 2017 in their new home stadium, SunTrust Park, located in Cobb County, a suburb north of the city.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRich’s Department Store was founded on May 28, 1867, as M. Rich Dry Goods by 20-year-old Morris Rich with only $500 in capital. In 1877 Morris’ brother Emanuel entered the business and the name of the store was changed to M. Rich and Brother, followed by Daniel in 1884, when the store was again renamed as M. Rich and Brothers. On January 12, 1901, the firm became M. Rich and Brothers Company. Morris Rich was elected president at a meeting of stockholders on January 18, 1901. Rich's Department Store retail chain operated in the southern United States from 1867 until 2005. Morris Rich is the anglicized name of Mauritius Reich, who was a native of Hungary.  \u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFrank Henry Neely (1884-1979), born in Augusta, Georgia, earned his BSc in mechanical engineering at Georgia Institute of Technology in 1904. After his graduation, Neely started his career in industry at Westinghouse Electric and Manufacturing Company Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1915 Neely joined Fulton Bag and Cotton Mills where he was production manager in plants of the company in Atlanta, Dallas, New Orleans, St. Louis, New York, and Minneapolis. In 1924, Neely became general manager in Rich’s Department Store in Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eAnna Pavlovna Pavlova (1881-1931) was a Russian prima ballerina of the late 19th and the early 20th centuries. She was a principal artist of the Imperial Russian Ballet and the Ballets Russes of Sergei Diaghilev. Pavlova is most recognized for the creation of the role The Dying Swan and, with her own company, became the first ballerina to tour ballet around the world. She toured South America and India.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eRichard “Dick” H. Rich (1901-1975) was a grandson of the founder of Rich’s department store in Atlanta, Georgia. He took over as president of Rich’s in 1949 and under his leadership Rich's began expansion in the 1950’s. Richard's mother, Rosalind Rich Rosenheim, was the daughter of Morris Rich, founder of Rich's. Richard changed his name legally from Rosenheim to Rich because his grandfather wanted him to. 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He adapted it into the screenplay for the 1989 film which was awarded the Academy Award for Writing Adapted Screenplay. The second of the trilogy, The Last Night of Ballyhoo (1996), received the Tony Award for Best Play when produced on Broadway. The third was a 1998 musical called Parade. The libretto earned him a Tony Award for Best Book of a Musical. Uhry wrote the screenplay not only for the film version of Driving Miss Daisy but also for the 1993 film Rich in Love. 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Popularly known as ‘FDR,’ he collapsed and died in his home in Warm Springs, Georgia just a few months before the end of the war. He was a Democrat. FDR was an avid horse rider and enjoyed an active early life. He was diagnosed with infantile paralysis, better known as polio, in 1921, at the age of 39. 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From 1931 to late 1950s, Ballyhoo was a teen courtship weekend that took place in southern cities, which included Montgomery, Alabama’s ‘Falcon,’ Birmingham, Alabama’s ‘Jubilee,’ Columbus, Georgia’s ‘Holly Days,’ and Atlanta, Georgia’s ‘Ballyhoo.’ They were attended by college-age Jewish youth from across the South who participated in rounds of breakfast dates, lunch dates, tea dance dates, early evening dates, late night dates, formal dances, and cocktail parties, with the goal of meeting a “nice Jewish boy or girl” who might well become a spouse.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2580.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eOrthodox Judaism is a traditional branch of Judaism that strictly follows the Written Torah and the Oral Law concerning prayer, dress, food, sex, family relations, social behavior, the Sabbath day, holidays, and more.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2640.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eFritz Orr, Jr. ( - 2015) Since the early 1930s and into the late 1970s, the Orr family owned and directed two summer camps, now Westminster’s Summer Camp located in Conyers, Georgia. Fritz owned and operated a farm in Palmetto, Georgia, for several years before serving as owner and director of Camp Merrie-Woode for Girls in Sapphire, North Carolina. He created a foundation to ensure that it could continue. 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It also offers services in investment management, securities, asset management, prime brokerage, and securities underwriting. Goldman Sachs was founded in New York in 1869 by Marcus Goldman. In 1882, Goldman's son-in-law Samuel Sachs joined the firm. In 1885, Goldman took his son Henry and his son-in-law Ludwig Dreyfuss into the business and the firm adopted its present name, Goldman Sachs \u0026amp; Co. The company joined the New York Stock Exchange in 1896.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=2790.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eOur Crowd: The Great Jewish Families of New York, published in 1967, is a history book by American writer Stephen Birmingham (1929–2015). He has written more than thirty books. Born in Hartford, Connecticut, he graduated from Williams College in 1953 and taught writing at the University of Cincinnati. Birmingham’s work focuses on the upper class in America. Working with diaries, letters, and personal reminiscences supplied by members of interwoven families, Loeb, Lehman, Straus, Seligman, and Guggenheism, among others, the book documents the lives of prominent New York Jewish families of the 19th century. 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She has lectured at universities, synagogues, museums and academic conferences across the country. In addition to authoring and contributing to several books, she has written articles for the Encyclopedia Judaica, Southern Jewish History, The Atlanta Journal and Constitution Sunday Magazine. In 2012 she returned to Atlanta to live.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003ePhilip Milton Roth (1933–2018) was an American novelist and short-story writer. Roth's fiction is regularly set in his birthplace of Newark, New Jersey and is known for its intensely autobiographical character, for philosophically and formally blurring the distinction between reality and fiction, and for its explorations of American identity. Roth's family was Jewish. His parents were second-generation Americans. Roth's father's parents came from Kozlov near Lviv/Lemberg in Galicia. His mother's family were from the region of Kiev.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3330.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eLeo Frank (1884-1915) was a Jewish factory superintendent in Atlanta, Georgia. In 1913, he was accused of raping and murdering one of his employees, a 13-year-old girl named Mary Phagan, whose body was found on the premises of the National Pencil Company. Frank was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to death for her murder. The trial was the catalyst for a great outburst of antisemitism led by the populist Tom Watson and the center of powerful class and political interests. Frank was sent to Milledgeville State Penitentiary to await his execution. Governor John M. Slaton, believing there had been a miscarriage of justice, commuted Frank’s sentence to life in prison. This enraged a group of men who styled themselves the “Knights of Mary Phagan.” They drove to the prison, kidnapped Frank from his cell and drove him to Marietta, Georgia where they lynched him. Many years later, the murderer was revealed to be Jim Conley, who had lied in the trial, pinning it on Frank instead. 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The tradition is that on Rosh Ha-Shanah, G-d sits in judgment on humanity. Then the fate of every living creature is inscribed in the Book of Life or Death. Prayer and repentance before the sealing of the books on Yom Kippur may revoke these decisions.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672#t=3480.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/29077/file/96672/annotation_set/64/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eHebrew for ‘Day of Atonement.’ The most sacred day of the Jewish year. Yom Kippur is a 25 hour fast day. Most of the day is spent in prayer, reciting yizkor for deceased relatives, confessing sins, requesting divine forgiveness, and listening to Torah readings and sermons. 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He led the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott and helped found the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) in 1957, serving as its first president. With the SCLC, King led an unsuccessful struggle against segregation in Albany, Georgia, in 1962, and organized nonviolent protests in Birmingham, Alabama, that attracted national attention following television news coverage of the brutal police response. King also helped to organize the 1963 March on Washington, where he delivered his famous \"I Have a Dream\" speech. On October 14, 1964, King received the Nobel Peace Prize for combating racial inequality through nonviolence. In 1965, he and the SCLC helped to organize the Selma to Montgomery marches and the following year, he took the movement north to Chicago to work on segregated housing. King was assassinated on April 4, 1968 in Memphis, Tennessee. His death was followed by riots in many United States’ cities. 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Paul Austin, the chairman and CEO of Coca-Cola, and then Atlanta Mayor Ivan Allen summoned key business leaders to a meeting. Austin and told them, “It is embarrassing for Coca-Cola to be located in a city that refuses to honor its Nobel Prize winner. We are an international business. The Coca-Cola Company does not need Atlanta. You all need to decide whether Atlanta needs the Coca-Cola Company.” Following the meeting, every ticket to the dinner was sold. 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