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She remembers school and her family working. She also recalls attacks and vandalism increasing, which ultimately lead to the family relocating to an apartment in Frankfurt. While living there Alice tells of the events of Kristallnacht, seeing buildings set aflame, demolished, people being attacked, the family’s apartment being broken into, and her father being taken to a concentration camp. Upon his release she recounts not recognizing her father, and her family’s decision to send her to a children’s home in Switzerland. Alice discusses life in Switzerland, the rationing, the difficulties adjusting to living there, the infrequent contact with family, and lack of news about the outside world. She then goes on to explain her coming to America, and how she came to leave New York City for Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaul explains how his family left Poland shortly before the war began and first settled in Pittsburgh. After spending some time there, they moved to Atlanta and opened a grocery store. He talks about helping run the store and how he met Alice and convinced her to marry him.\u003c/p\u003e (scope content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://archivesspace.thebreman.org/repositories/2/archival_objects/28389"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. 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She remembers school and her family working. She also recalls attacks and vandalism increasing, which ultimately lead to the family relocating to an apartment in Frankfurt. While living there Alice tells of the events of Kristallnacht, seeing buildings set aflame, demolished, people being attacked, the family’s apartment being broken into, and her father being taken to a concentration camp. Upon his release she recounts not recognizing her father, and her family’s decision to send her to a children’s home in Switzerland. Alice discusses life in Switzerland, the rationing, the difficulties adjusting to living there, the infrequent contact with family, and lack of news about the outside world. She then goes on to explain her coming to America, and how she came to leave New York City for Atlanta.\u003c/p\u003e\u003cp\u003eSaul explains how his family left Poland shortly before the war began and first settled in Pittsburgh. 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I am going to let them actually\nintroduce themselves with their full name and let them get started.\n\nALICE SHERR: I'm Alice Bacharach Sherr.\n\nSAUL SHERR: I'm Saul Sherr. No middle name.\n\nVRONO: Alice, I know we talked a little bit ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"before we started the interview and\nI know you don't remember a whole lot because you were very, very young when\neverything took place, but if you could sort of just try to take us through the\nsteps of your childhood.\n\nALICE SHERR: I know when I was young my parents used to warn me when Hitler\nwould come by and say, \"You know, you have to be out of the way.\" I remember we\ncouldn't go to school in that town where ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=30.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I lived, which was Egelsbach in\nGermany. It was a small town and we had to go by train to Darmstadt. I think\nthere were about five or six of the kids. Usually an adult went with us, because\nof having to go on a... it's not like a modern train, but a regular train. I\nknow we had to be quiet in school, and the school we went to was a Jewish\nschool. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=60.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jewish teachers and I don't know it was so much like a Hebrew school\nwhere we learned. There were all those little beer stands, and the grownup that\nwould go with us, kind of like a carpool, would buy beer and wanted us to taste\nthe beer. To this day I cannot stand beer. I don't know what it tastes like, but\nI think I know what it tastes like. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=90.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It smells bad. I just don't like beer. So, I\nthink it's because they gave us beer when we were five or six years old. We had\na big iron gate and my grandfather's store was right next to the house, and we\nlived... attached to the house... and we lived with my grandfather. They wrote\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=120.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something nasty on the gate with white either shoe polish or something white.\nBefore that, my mother was a seamstress, and what she made is the gowns that you\nput on people for burial. I remember helping her with pulling the elastic\nthrough the top. My mom had a sewing machine by ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=150.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of the windows and one night\nthey broke all the windows, and when we woke up all the glass was in the living\nroom, but they didn't take anything. My mom's watch was on the sewing machine\nand it was still there. They just want... just vandalism. They just wanted to\nbreak everything. After that we left and moved to my uncle's apartment in\nFrankfurt. I'm not sure, but I think he had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=180.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"already moved to France, but I'm not\nsure. I don't think they were there. In Frankfurt, I went to another Jewish\nschool, and I think in Darmstadt, where we went on the train, I think I only\nwent two, three months, and then in Frankfurt I went maybe two, three months to\nschool. 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I don't know if it was, when, on that day, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=240.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but my grandfather\nwent to shul every morning, and they threw him down and pulled his beard, and I\nthink it was kind of like in the film Exodus, where they burned the books. I\njust remember one of the shuls burning. It was a white building, and we could\nsee it from our window when we looked down. 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We all lived in my uncle's apartment in Frankfurt.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=300.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother and me and my aunt, we all slept in one bed. Maybe it was a double bed\nor something. My father was gone for a while. I don't know how long, but he got\nout, and when he came back, I didn't want him to come in bed with us, because I\ndidn't recognize him. His hair was cut. The first thing he did was vomit when he\ncame in; he was just, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=330.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they just, little things I remember I remember as young\nchild. I don't remember it exactly. Then, my parents sent me to Switzerland. It\nwas on January 5.\n\nVRONO: Before we get to that part, I wanted to quickly ask what, who was part of\nyour family, like your parents' names, were you an only child [unintelligible]\n\nALICE SHERR: No. I, I'm sorry, it scratched my-- ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=360.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was about five when my sister\nwas born, and my mother's name is Guta Bacharach, and my father's name was\nLudwig Bacharach. She was born Katz. Katz in German.\n\nVRONO: And your sister's...\n\nALICE SHERR: My sister's name was Edith [pronounced Ay-dit], Edith in English.\n\nVRONO: And it was one sister?\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes, that's, yes.\n\nVRONO: Okay, so then all three, the four of you were in Frankfurt?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=390.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: Yes, and my grandfather, Nathaniel Katz, and my mother's two\nsisters, Eda and Paula Katz. Neither one was married. One of them was engaged to\na jeweler, and the other one I don't, I just rem... that's all I remember.\n\nVRONO: At what [unintelligible] age were you, do you remember when you were in Frankfurt?\n\nALICE SHERR: About ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=420.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six. I was just barely seven when I went to Switzerland.\n\nVRONO: So, you mentioned that your father had gone away for a while. He wasn't\nin camps yet [unintelligible].\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes, he was in a concentration camp. [unintelligible]\n\nVRONO: He was able to come back?\n\nALICE SHERR: Somehow, he got out. I don't know why or how, and he didn't look\nthe same when he came out. In fact, I didn't recognize him. 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Some of them went to Israel, Palestine at that time.\n\nVRONO: Right, right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=570.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: I went for one year to live with a family, and my uncle, who had\nescaped from France, the one whose house we lived in... his name was David Katz,\nhe and his wife and four children all escaped. Not all together, and they all\ncame to Switzerland; they lived in the mountains. 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But before that, a few years before, and I don't know what\nyear it was, I was supposed to join my parents in France, and this man came and\nhe was going to escort me across the border, and I got as far as Zurich and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=660.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the\nborders closed between Switzerland and France, which was very traumatic and sad\nfor me. But when I think back, it's lucky. I wouldn't have been alive if I would\nhave been able to join my parents. Anyway, I never saw my parents again after\nJanuary Fifth. My, the parents were not supposed to come to the train. 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Then later on when I lived with that family, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=780.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I stayed about a year with them.\n\nVRONO: That was in Switzerland?\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes. In Zurich [unintelligible]\n\nVRONO: This was a different family.\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes, completely. The first time when I supposed to meet my parents\nit was a widower and he was quite old and he had a housekeeper, and he wanted me\nto stay real bad. He even let my girlfriend come over, but I just wasn't ready.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=810.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was, I think, a very rich man, because he had a business. It was called\nSeiden-Fenigstein. He had a business on Bahnhofstrasse, which is kind of like\nthe New York... what is that-- what is that street?\n\nEINSTEIN: Fifth Avenue?\n\nVRONO: Park Avenue?\n\nALICE SHERR: What?\n\nVRONO: Park Avenue?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=840.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: Yes, something like that. It was, but I just wasn't used to that.\nThe children's home was fairly, was clean, and not all, fairly warm, but\neverything was very rationed in Switzerland. 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I heard a little bit about the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=960.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"concentration camp, but not\ntoo much. You don't have papers or radio, then you don't. There was one radio\nfor the whole children's home.\n\nVRONO: Were you like already in your teens by this time?\n\nALICE SHERR: Um...\n\nVRONO: Eleven?\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes, it might have been then.\n\nVRONO: Did the other children that came back to the orphanage, they also had\nlost their parents?\n\nALICE SHERR: They came, they left, now ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=990.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Switzerland it was a children's home;\nit wasn't an orphanage. The orphanage was in Germany, where we met. We just met\nin a big room, you know, to go to the train from there. I don't remember what\nthe transportation was, but we went together. 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We were pretty\nsick and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1140.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they made us drink like hot milk, and one time they brought us\nlemonade, and we mixed the lemonade with the milk [laughing] decided it would\nmake it taste better. Nobody could drink it. But we did things, and we had to\ntake naps in the afternoon when we were maybe ten, twelve years old. I don't\nknow. It was kind of strict. 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In 1947, I was supposed to come to United States, maybe in\nJanuary or February, and I went to Zurich back to that family that I had lived\nwith for just a short time, and I got really sick. I got a sinus infection, and\nthat was just about when ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1290.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Switzerland got penicillin. I don't know when\npenicillin came out, but Switzerland got it. It wasn't given like one shot. You\ngot a shot every three or four hours, day or night, and you had to go to the\nhospital in isolation. I was with other children in isolation. Not, you know,\nthey were just children that lived in Zurich. 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He wanted me to stay with him,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1470.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but he only had come to the United States maybe six months before me, maybe a\nyear, but not really long. Then I had another uncle on my father's side, Max\nBacharach, and he had married a non-Jewish woman, which was not all that bad,\nbut she was a German, and [laughs] and that was bad at that time. He wanted me\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1500.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to stay with him, but I think he wanted me to stay with him because he thought\nmy father had left me some money, which he really didn't. They asked me what,\nyou know, wanted, and I say, \"I don't know. They're fighting.\" If it was up to\nthem, my father and mother would have never gotten along. I mean, it was\neverything \"Your mother wanted it this way; your father wanted it this way.\" So\nthe ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1530.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"social worker in New York at that place where we were staying asked me where\nI want to go. She didn't think it would be good for me to stay in New York with\nthe extreme opposite of the two uncles. So I said, \"I don't like New York,\nbecause there is, it's dirty and everything is so close together. I lived in a\ntown that had farms. You had to walk five minutes ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1560.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to get to your neighbors, and\nso I want trees and flowers.\" So, they sent me to Atlanta. And I lived with\ndifferent families, some very nice, some not so nice.\n\nVRONO: Did your uncles stay in New York? [unintelligible]\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes, both uncles stayed in New York.\n\nVRONO: To back up just for a second, how did they decide when you were in\nSwitzerland that you were going to go to the States?\n\nALICE SHERR: That I don't know. 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How did\nyou find out about your mother?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1620.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: Just by correspondence stopping. My father was in a concentration\ncamp in France called Gurs, and he got polio. They let him get out, and he went\nto Rothschild Hospital for two days and died in the Rothschild Hospital in\nFrance. 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She wanted to come, and\nthere was not enough room for my sister and her, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1680.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so she was going to go another\ntime, but they never made it. The way I know for certain what happened is when\nGilbert, my second son, went to France and he started investigating. He did not\nknow that I knew about my father, and Gilbert had found out that my father had\ndied and had been put in a mass grave. There was no money for burial. 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He investigated in France; he\nspoke a little French, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1740.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I never wanted the children to know German because\nthat's how [laughs] I could talk behind their back when I didn't them to know\nwhat I was saying. So, my husband speaks Yiddish, so when we couldn't\ncommunicate well enough between German and Yiddish, \"It's between the foot and\nthe knee,\" if we didn't know what \"leg\" was. 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I never learned to read; I never studied, but they ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1800.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talked\nenough where I learned to understand what they were saying. I didn't know all\nthe words, but I knew if they were talking about the weather, or about me. I\nknew the subject they were talking about, could understand enough. In\nSwitzerland, a lot of the kids that grew up there speak three languages. Now\nfour, English too, but at the, during the war, they did not take English too\nmuch. 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In Switzerland, I\nwas not good in math, and, but when I came here and I didn't speak English and\nthey put me in biology and things like that, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1860.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I didn't know what \"table and\nchairs\" were, and they talked about protozoa and amoeba, and things like that,\nI, it was too hard for me. But even though I wasn't a good math student, they\nput me in algebra, I excelled, because I didn't need to know the language. I\ncould see the numbers on the board and they were the same. The seven didn't have\na line across, but the numbers looked the same and the writing was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1890.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the same, so\nI excelled in algebra. Even so, math was one of my...\n\nVRONO: That was a totally different language when you were in school.\n\nALICE SHERR: ... yes. I only spoke German and Switzerdeutsch, which is a kind of\na dialect similar to Uncle Remus how he wrote B'rer Rabbit and stuff like that.\nIt's spoken more than written. 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I think the kids were nice, but it was a long time ago; I don't\nremember exactly.\n\nVRONO: Did you feel accepted by the, in the families?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=2760.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: By some of them, yes, some of them not.\n\nVRONO: If you were unhappy in a family, was there someone you could go to? I\nmean [unintelligible]\n\nALICE SHERR: Gertrude Fink, I could talk to her. One family I lived with said\nwhen I, one night when I tried on shorts because it was getting warmer, that I\nwas looking, you know, for things. 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No. Washington\n\nALICE SHERR: Washington, yes.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes.\n\nALICE SHERR: We spent all the time walking between the two shuls, which were\nabout, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=2970.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how much, about two, three blocks away from each other?\n\nSAUL SHERR: No, no. They were longer than that.\n\nALICE SHERR: It was?\n\nSAUL SHERR: Shearith Israel was near Richardson Street, and the AA was over near\nWindsor. It was about five, ten minute walk between the two. At that time, it\nwas mostly in the whole neighborhood, was mostly Jewish. 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I couldn't\nimagine anybody being able to remember phone numbers, and he called me and we\ngot together.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3300.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAUL SHERR: It's like they say, it's one thing after another.\n\nALICE SHERR: I was like two or three years older than the children in my class,\nand I went through the first half of the twelfth grade, and he wanted to get\nmarried and I wanted to finish school. Well, he won out. 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Nobody knew it,\nthe other school was for kids that had left or were asked to leave and\ngrown-ups, adults that wanted to go back and learn a job after their families\nwere maybe in high school, or you know, on their own, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3450.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where they could go back\nto work.\n\nVRONO: Saul, do you want to jump in now and tell us [cross talk unclear] and\nthen we'll catch you up and we'll go from there?\n\nSAUL SHERR: Okay. I was born in Poland in a small town Chusziachin,\nC-H-U-S-Z-I-A-C-H-I-N, Lomza Guberniya. 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We had the\nSappersteins in, from Pittsburgh, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3510.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[sounds like] Steisapier, Steisapier, oh yes,\nSteisapier. They were very influential and they brought us over, they brought\nthe Alva family over, so they brought three of us over. I don't know if you know\nthe Silv... you said you're a Silverman? You remember Dave Silverman and Gus?\nGus Silverman and Dave Silverman, that's my cousin. Margie Kodner was my cousin.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3540.0,3570.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You remember Margie?\n\nVRONO: Szczuczyn Yes.\n\nSAUL SHERR: You know her kids?\n\nVRONO: Yes.\n\nSAUL SHERR: You know Gloria and Sheila?\n\nVRONO: I know Sheila.\n\nSAUL SHERR: I like Sheila, then you know Mark and you know Fred. Isn't that? Fred.\n\nVRONO: I only know Sheila.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes, well, their, the two families came over together, and we went\nthrough, you know, the same old thing. Then the Itelds came over. They brought\nthem too. 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So we were close to\nthe, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3630.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on Georgia Avenue, past the library, Capital Avenue there, I was walking to\nget the hair cut and that's where I met Alice and she made a mistake and not.\nEven to this day I still remember numbers. Face too, faces sometimes, yes, but\nnumbers, they stick in my mind.\n\nVRONO: Why don't you back up a little bit, because we wanted to sort of hear\nabout how your family came from Poland, how they, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3660.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, a little bit before.\n\nSAUL SHERR: We came from Poland through luck, because the rest of the family\nthat didn't come here were, died, they got killed in the concentration camps. We\ndon't have, I don't have any family left at all that I know of, and my mother's\nfamily I never, never knew too much about them. 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Piedmont Hospital was still there on\nCapital and we used to go to Shearith Israel, and I remember going ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3750.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up and down\nthe street.\n\nALICE SHERR: Excuse me. Your mother and father belonged to AA.\n\nSAUL SHERR: No, they belonged to Tenth Street AA.\n\nALICE SHERR: Yes, but that's still AA.\n\nSAUL SHERR: AA, but that was different, that was...\n\nVRONO: Alice came with you though.\n\nSAUL SHERR: ... oh yes. Alice came with me. [phone rings] So I worked in the\nstore, my brother went in. 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I'm not jumping in yet.\n\nALICE SHERR: Way ahead.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3840.0,3870.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: You said you moved to Parkway. We didn't live there; that was you\nand your parents.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes, me and my parents lived on Parkway over there. 844 Charles\nAllen [Drive].\n\nVRONO: How old were you when you met?\n\nSAUL SHERR: I was 24 and a half, around 25.\n\nALICE SHERR: Saul, that's when we got married, when you were 25.\n\nSAUL SHERR: 24 then a few years younger. 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[laughs]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=3900.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: You can.\n\nSAUL SHERR: I, her Uncle Max was, I don't think very much of him, and he wrote\nsome letters, and he called one time. 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You were talking, it was about a\nyear or two after--\n\nALICE SHERR: It was over two years.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes, we got married in 1950, my oldest son was born in February the\nfifth, 1953. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4140.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gilbert was born in 1955, the next one was born in, let me see,\nJoey was born in 1958, and the last one was born in 1960, 1961. Neil died 14\nyears ago. That's another story. 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So we, we went through,\nwe've had some bad times too, but we still, still managed to stay together.\nThere were bad, I mean, she drives me up the wall, but I tell everybody that if\nI had to do it all over again, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4200.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would still do it, and that's not too, that's\nnot, I don't hear that too often.\n\nVRONO: [unintelligible]\n\nSAUL SHERR: So, and so we just celebrated our fiftieth, and that was nice, the\nkids gave us a cruise and I feel good, I had my, I've had my share of problems,\nnow. I had the bypass about, almost three years ago, wasn't it? It's going to be\nthree years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4230.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: And you had more than one bypass.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Six, six, six veins. But it was weak and I managed to get better and\nI'm doing fine. I'm watching myself. So, we are here.\n\nVRONO: Were your children here in Atlanta?\n\nALICE SHERR: Joey, that is in New Jersey, that's why we're going. Joey is now on\nlife support. He can't breathe on his own anymore. 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They came for the\nOlympics, but he can't travel anymore.\n\nSAUL SHERR: If he does, he has to lug a whole lot of stuff around.\n\nALICE SHERR: And I think we did well.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes.\n\nALICE SHERR: Because we have two kids with a Ph.D. Joey has a Ph.D.\n[unintelligible] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4320.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even so, Joey has a tube coming out of his throat, he's still\nworking every day, and he's still earning...\n\nSAUL SHERR: [unintelligible] You know Lawrence, don't you? Both of you know?\nLawrence has a Ph.D. MA from a music... he teaches music at Kennesaw. And we're\nboth very active in the, we're active with the muscular dystrophy. 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She's active, and she's been a great help to me in giving me leeway\nto do that, because I know if I didn't have her help, I couldn't do it, and in\nthat sense, I try to be tolerant and supportive of her in what she wants to do.\nShe's been teaching the MDO program for 20 years, isn't it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4530.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: Well, 18 in there and five in another school.\n\nVRONO: What is MDO?\n\nALICE SHERR: That's Morningside Day Out, that's...\n\nVRONO: So, you've been doing that for about 18 years?\n\nALICE SHERR: ... yes, and then I was at Cliff Valley, which is another school\nfor [unintelligible] five years.\n\nVRONO: Did you [unintelligible] while you were raising the children?\n\nALICE SHERR: No, no. 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When I had\nproblems and I was worried and stuff like that, when I went to school it was\nlike I had a backpack and the school is like two blocks, one and a half blocks\nfrom here, and the principal would say, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4590.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"You can't bring that pack in.\" I would\nleave it outside. The pack is not real. It's my problems. I would be completely,\nI would completely forget about problems, and as soon as I would be finished\nwith the children, there would my backpack sitting out, walk home and start\nworrying again. It helped me a lot. I had a neighbor and she said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4620.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Cliff Valley\nneeds some teachers; they're short. You want to try it?\" I tried it and I liked\nit. I was with them for five years and then, and 18 years with that when Neil\ndied and I couldn't function at home. I would write a check and half an hour\nlater I would still be writing the check and I don't know what happened. I was\ndepressed. But when I was with the children, I don't know how I did it, or what,\nbut I wouldn't be depressed. 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It's that mentally ill people, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4770.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when they don't have a place to put them,\nthey put them in jail. It's for the ones that committed non-violent crimes. The\nviolent crimes ones, misdemeanors, like loitering and things like that.\n\nSAUL SHERR: We try to get a mental health court started in DeKalb County, where\n[unintelligible] know what's going to happen now. Flo Giltman is the one that\nstarted that and has ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4800.0,4830.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been working tremendously on that. We have our little\nprojects we work with, that we're trying to make a difference for the people,\nbecause they need somebody to. If you had a child who couldn't articulate\nanything, who was confused, disoriented, you would be the advocate, and that's\nhow come we got started. 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We're not just, we don't talk about\ntennis, and we don't talk about cars, we do some real things.\n\n[phone rings, interview stops, then resumes]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=4860.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"VRONO: We were talking a little bit about because of the way you were raised,\nhow did you know to raise your family. How did you learn along the way what you\nwanted to, how to raise your family?\n\nALICE SHERR: Well, one thing it started off very, was very disappointed. 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I told my father-in-law,\n\"Could you please hand me the spoon?\" And he says, \"If you want it, get it\nyourself.\" Because he didn't like, because Saul helped me with the different.\nSaul helped me a lot and he didn't believe in that, so I had to get up, take the\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5010.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"napkin away from him, and then had to settle back down and everything. No, his\nparents didn't help much, but they loved the children. They loved to play with\nthem. My father in law was very, very fond of Gilbert. He was the last one he\nreally saw. No, I had one niece that he knew, but otherwise, he died before the\nother ones were born.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5040.0,5070.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAUL SHERR: When Gilbert was born, he had blond hair. He used to call \"his\nlittle shaygetz.\"\n\nALICE SHERR: So they were not too much help. My mother-in-law used to come over,\nbut she didn't ever want to babysit or anything. It was fine as long as I was\nthere. She was more help, because she invited us for shabbos [Sabbath] diners\nand stuff like that, but as far as helping with bringing up the children, they\nwere not.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5070.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"VRONO: Did you have anybody that you had a relationship with maybe other mothers\nthat you met with younger children, or.\n\nALICE SHERR: Not too much. I had some friends, and he used to say, when he,\nbefore I was pregnant, he wanted children right away and I didn't, because I\nwanted to finish school. He used to say when he saw a child, \"We could have one\nlike that.\" But and he was in the store a lot and he was not help. 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His father insisted that I didn't wear a train with my gown, so I didn't\nknow you could buy white gowns without a train, wedding gown, so I wore\n[unintelligible] one, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5190.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lillian Cohen helped me. She went to talk to his\nparents. But his parents were just all European and had not modernized that much\nin the things.\n\nSAUL SHERR: But...\n\nALICE SHERR: They were nice, they were really nice, but they also were very\napprehensive of me marrying him, not because they didn't like me or ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5220.0,5250.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything,\nthey didn't have any background on me. Many, many times since we've been\nmarried, I said, \"I wish they could see me now.\" I've gotten old, and my\nchildren accomplished things, and it worked out all right. I lived longer than\nthey did, both of them, right?\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes.\n\nALICE SHERR: Your mother was...\n\nSAUL SHERR: Sure. So, that's all there is. We just stuck to each other. I was\nthere for our kids. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5250.0,5280.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's old fashioned, maybe, but I was there for her, she's\nthere for me, and sometimes when I had to do things, I couldn't say, you know,\nwe had Joey and Neil was sick too, and we couldn't say, well, do you need,\nnobody came to ask me, \"Do you want it? Do you need it? Can you handle it? Do\nyou think you..\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5280.0,5310.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[laughs] I didn't have any choice in this. We had it, we got\nit, and we took care of it the best we could. But if you think this is\nperfection, it's not, but it's human. I believe and I think we stuck to each\nother and we accomplished, so we're here with the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5310.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grace of God, we're still here.\n\nWith a great story too.\n\nVRONO: Your religious, we were speaking a little bit about that. How did you\ntransmit that to your children, because I know you're kosher and observant?\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes. Not observant.\n\nALICE SHERR: Not\n\nSAUL SHERR: Not... cognizant yes of our Jewishness. Observant, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5340.0,5370.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't eat pork,\nI don't eat shrimp, we go out and eat in non-kosher restaurants too, but we keep\nkosher at home.\n\nALICE SHERR: This is...\n\nVRONO: You Alice, you were raised, you could have gone either way.\n\nALICE SHERR: ... yes, I would not have kept kosher. His parents wanted me to\nkeep kosher. Now, since I have done it for so long, I would like to get away\nfrom it, but it's kind of there. 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But they...\n\nSAUL SHERR: I'm sure you could duplicate this in your own way, because of what's\ngoing on through the, she has a ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5430.0,5460.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much deeper core, core belief than I do in a way.\n\nALICE SHERR: Well, he...\n\nSAUL SHERR: I mean, I go to shul. You know why I go to shul? Beause I love it. I\nlike it. I think that everybody should do that. It's not so much, I go to shul\nalmost every night, and the reason I do it, if God forbid, somebody wants to say\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5460.0,5490.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kaddish, they should have that chance, so I've been last few years, I've been\ngoing to shul almost every night.\n\nALICE SHERR: He's very fluent in reading Hebrew. I don't know how much he\nunderstands [unintelligible].\n\nSAUL SHERR: I understand some.\n\nALICE SHERR: I've forgotten a lot. I can still read, but I wouldn't let anybody\nhear me read, because [laughs] it's worse than a first grader.\n\nVRONO: Where do you go to synagogue?\n\nSAUL SHERR: Shearith Israel. 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I can do with mincha-maariv, I can do it in the morning,\nSaturday I don't do, I've forgotten all the tunes, but I remember when during my\nearly youth I was very, very committed to shul, and when we came over here, I\nremember, we lived in Pittsburgh, I was knowledgeable, and I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5520.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"used to love to\ndaven. I've always like to, I've always liked synagogue.\n\nALICE SHERR: Now, I'm the opposite, I don't that much. On Saturday, when he goes\nto shul, that's the only day I don't have to go anwhere, I don't have to get\ndressed. So...\n\nSAUL SHERR: Think that's...\n\nVRONO: You know, being brought up the way you were, was it important for you to\nfind someone Jewish ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5550.0,5580.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and marry something Jewish?\n\nALICE SHERR: Oh yes.\n\nVRONO: I think you got that feeling from, from where?\n\nALICE SHERR: I guess because everybody in the children's home was. Then, it's\nkind of, I couldn't face my cousins if I wasn't, even so they don't think I'm\nreally Jewish.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5580.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAUL SHERR: That's the end of our story, I guess.\n\nEINSTEIN: I just wanted to ask one more thing. Alice, this is a broad question,\nbut how did your experience going through these children's homes, how did that\neffect you as an adult and how have you integrated that experience into your life?\n\nALICE SHERR: It's a deep question.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes, it is. Deep question.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5610.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: Well, I think it's best to be brought up in a home, in a family.\nIt's hard in a children's home because you don't, nothing is personal. You're\njust there, and some of the experiences were very hard.\n\nEINSTEIN: Do you remember any of those experiences? 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I don't know if I'm supposed\nto, but I kiss the children, boys and girls, and I say I love them, or you're a\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5730.0,5760.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pretty girl, or things like that. I just, you know, and I hug them, and it's not\njust like coming to school. I think I make it personal, sometimes they say to me\nthey love me, or they like my earrings, or they want me to wear a certain thing.\n\nSAUL SHERR: It's reciprocated, because, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5760.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for her it's more fun than really, than work.\n\nVRONO: Well, you've made your family a strong family.\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes, hopefully we did.\n\nVRONO: That was probably very important to you to really give them a family.\n\nEINSTEIN: Did you have to learn how to love, if after you left your parents that\nyou didn't really feel love directly...\n\nSAUL SHERR: Psychology major.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5790.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: I never thought about it, I guess I just did what came naturally.\nBut, none of the children when they first were born did I love them. When I had\na roommate in the hospital, \"Oh, the father and the mother, Oh, this is the most\nbeautiful child.\" To me, babies, newborn babies, kind of look ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5820.0,5850.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very similar to\neach other, and I can't really see the beauty in a newborn baby that much as I\ncan when they start smiling and getting into things, and...\n\nSAUL SHERR: I think a lot of it is façade. A lot of that instantaneous\npsychology, like ...[laughs] We use that observational ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5850.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"psychiatry, you just look\nat a person, you think you can tell, but you can't. You have to observe them,\nyou have to watch them, you have to take some sort of measures.\n\nALICE SHERR: I think love has to grow. I love the children at the end of the\nyear much more than I do when they come, and I usually get at least a year,\nbecause I've seen them on the playground and corrected them on the playground,\nand said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5880.0,5910.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"We don't throw sand in somebody's eyes.\" So I actually know them, but\nthe love doesn't come till they're in my room and I'm in charge of them completely.\n\nVRONO: Do you have the one grandchild?\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes.\n\nALICE SHERR: One grandchild, Ephraim, that's him when he was a baby, and that's\nsome picture, that's the latest one where he's sitting there with his\nsuspenders. But he's ten now. That one was when he was about ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5910.0,5940.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"six. These here are\nmy two oldest ones, Larry and Gilbert.\n\nVRONO: How are you with your grandchild? I mean [unintelligible]\n\nALICE SHERR: It's very hard with him because we don't see him a lot. It's, we\ncall him on the phone, \"Hello, how are you.\" \"I need to go back to my video\ngame,\" or something like that. It's very hard. We had him one year, but he\ndidn't have any ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5940.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"friends to play with while he was here, and we took him a lot of\nplaces, but it's kind of hard, because we don't see him a lot. We see him once,\nmostly twice a year, but more often just once a year.\n\nSAUL SHERR: That's a big gap, which I guess, you know, but that's the way it is.\n\nALICE SHERR: I wish it closer [unintelligible].\n\nSAUL SHERR: Yes, we have our life here, very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=5970.0,6000.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fulfilling and very satisfying, and\nI don't think I'd be happy anywhere else right now. We've made our footprint\nhere, and, you know, it's...\n\nALICE SHERR: It's kind of sad. My son, we have gotten away from him too, because\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=6000.0,6030.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we can't understand him very well. It could be a little bit my hearing, but his\ntalking is not as clear, and it's very hard to understand. Have to really adlib\nwhen we talk to him on the phone, and sometimes we get it wrong. So, our\nconversations get further apart and longer, and his wife is a nurse, so she\ndoesn't, she gets very angry and I did too when ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=6030.0,6060.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/transcript/23828/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he was here, when people say,\n\"Don't talk to him\" and \"Talk to her.\" \"Can he talk?\" \"Well, he's very\nintelligent.\" \"Well, is he going to get up and walk?\" or \"Does he have a credit\ncard?\" You know, they don't talk to him, they talk to her. 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We met at an orphanage and. . .\nVRONO:\tDid your, did someone escort you to Switzerland, or [unintelligible]\nALICE SHERR:\tThere was a children’s transport of 200 children, and my sister couldn’t go because she was too young.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=490.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/index/47746/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children's home","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Heiden, Switzerland","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Holocaust","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kindertransport","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seiden-Fengstein AG","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Switzerland","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"World War II","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zurich, Switzerland","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=490.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/index/47746/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moving to the United States","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298#t=1351.0,2625.0"},{"id":"https://thebreman.aviaryplatform.com/collections/994/collection_resources/38975/file/110298/index/47746/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALICE SHERR: I’m kind of skipping around.  In the children’s home all during the war, they would take transports of children for three months and then send them back, from Hungary, I don’t, from, you know, a lot of countries and a lot of times they came with lice.  At that time when you had lice you had to shave off the hair, especially, I mean the girls, I guess the boys too, because they didn’t know how to control it then.  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It was never any question about I was there for her, she was there for me, and there were certain things I believed in, and I was ready to, I was committed.  I didn’t have to be talked to or not talked to.  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